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Finding an ISIS Training Camp Using Google Earth

An anonymous reader writes: Terrorist organization ISIS has been in the news a lot lately for their hostile activities in Iraq and Syria. They've also been very active online, posting propaganda and photos on various social networking sites to try to recruit more members. Frequently, they'll have pictures of themselves in nondescript locations — but even carefully selected images give clues to a real location. Citizen journalists at Bellingcat analyzed a group of these photos, comparing buildings and bridges in the background to images from Google Earth. With very little to go on, they were able to pinpoint the location of a terrorist training camp.

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  1. I'm looking now by cyberchondriac · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I see is a big smoking crater..

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    1. Re:I'm looking now by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      . . . the trouble is . . . the training camp is probably conveniently located right next to a hospital or a school.

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    2. Re:I'm looking now by ShaunC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Kurds helped those people on the mountain escape to Turkey (likely with clandestine US involvement as well). ISIS was actually using Turkey's old embassy in Mosul to hold some Turks hostage for awhile, so it's no surprise that this training camp turned up in Mosul. Neat detective work tracking it down, though.

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    3. Re:I'm looking now by Joel+Cahoon · · Score: 2

      ...and the citizens are conveniently pretending they don't notice.

    4. Re:I'm looking now by pubwvj · · Score: 2

      " they are in another country and that country protects them, preventing anyone else from entering the country in order to get rid of them. Doing so without "permission" will lead to more trouble than it's worth."

      This is really a non-issue. You really don't understand modern warfare if you actually believe that.

      Time to implement the game App Wack-a-Terrorist. It shows you pictures from terrorist groups' propaganda. Recognize anything? Click it and describe it. Points for accuracy in time and space, people, etc. CIA takes notices when cards rise above a certain threshold. Then they send in a drone strike if needed. Cool game! Win an iPad!

    5. Re:I'm looking now by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Batman is nearby in Turkey maybe he can help out.

      https://goo.gl/maps/J651g

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    6. Re:I'm looking now by Spacelord · · Score: 2

      What do you honestly expect them to do? Have you *seen* the kind of reprisals these assholes take against anyone who opposes them?

  2. isn't this what ISIS *wants* infidels to do? by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    come get us....we can't get to you, yet.

  3. Re:let 4chan have a go by sideslash · · Score: 2, Funny

    The one guy had a British accent, so I'm pretty sure no dentist in the picture. /justkiddingcantyoulimeystakeajoke

  4. Because... by aeschinesthesocratic · · Score: 2

    crowdsourcing and internet slething just worked out so well for IDing the Boston Bombers, right?

  5. Time to build a cruise missile and send it over by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, after that sawing off a live man's head, I have NO problem with blowing these assholes away. In fact, I would be happy to pull the trigger to launch.

    Now, the real question is, did this interfere with an on-going operation? I would hate to think that showing them how easy it is to find out info from their propaganda would stop its flow.

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    1. Re:Time to build a cruise missile and send it over by gtall · · Score: 2

      Islam has been at war with everyone else from its inception. The West had to do nothing to incur their wrath. In fact, they need the West so they can claim to be victims and prepare their followers to die for Islam...and virgins...don't forget the virgins. Apparently, Heaven is full of them just waiting for a bunch of hairy, smelly jihadis.

    2. Re:Time to build a cruise missile and send it over by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Islam has been at war with everyone else from its inception. The West had to do nothing to incur their wrath. In fact, they need the West so they can claim to be victims and prepare their followers to die for Islam...and virgins...don't forget the virgins. Apparently, Heaven is full of them just waiting for a bunch of hairy, smelly jihadis.

      You do realize that a sizable portion of the world's Muslims live in The West, right?

      I think you're confusing Islam with a particular politically motivated Islamic sect -- kind of like people do with the Crusades, Westboro, calling the US a Christian country that abuses its power, etc.

      It's not that religions are at war with everyone; it's that they can be easily abused for political gain, if care is not taken to prevent this.

    3. Re:Time to build a cruise missile and send it over by dkf · · Score: 2

      I did and they have another hostage ready to chop his head off.

      The way to deal with these people is to ignore whether they have the second hostage (assume he's already dead, even if that's technically premature) and to bomb the area, preferably with something like white phosphorous incendiaries. It also needs to be done soon, because people regard such actions less favourably when it is longer from the event which the punishment is being meted out for. Make it very clear that once someone starts killing hostages, reprisals will come. If you don't, the next damn terrorist group will think they can get away with this sort of thing too; you're not protecting those already captured, you're protecting everyone else.

      It's a shame, but being this nasty is the only way of hammering home to idiots that fucking with is a seriously bad idea (unless you can act with more precision and kill just the terrorists). And it does work: it's been proved to work over and over throughout history. It probably needs to be accompanied with a full apology to any innocents caught up in the crossfire to mitigate incidental downstream trouble.

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    4. Re:Time to build a cruise missile and send it over by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Seriously, after that sawing off a live man's head, I have NO problem with blowing these assholes away.

      If a video of a man's head being sawed off makes you frightened and impairs your judgement, then you are just playing into their hand. It's a shame the word 'terrorism' has shifted away from its original meaning of "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims", because it's such a great word, and it applies amazingly well here. An act of terror doesn't have to be crashing a plane into a building. Sawing off a man's head then posting the video on the internet is, in fact, an act of terror. It is designed to inspire fear. They've figured out what the Mafia, the Viet Cong, the Mongols, and countless other groups throughout history have found out: Making yourself look like an inhuman monster is actually a good survival strategy when your enemies are stronger and more numerous. This fictional quote, while it's from a movie, it's particularly relevant: "It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face, and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies."

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  6. Re:How do they know who's camp it is? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you RTFA, you'd see that they referenced ISIS PR videos, so it's not just "oh that looks like it might be training camp" but "these geo features from the videos correspond exactly to this thing here on the map" type of analysis.

  7. ISIL not ISIS by syockit · · Score: 2

    They've been just IS for some time now. And if I'm not mistaken, the last S in ISIS stands for Sham, which is Arabic for Levant. And they claim that the Caliphate has been established.

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  8. Re:thing i don't understand by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    http://www.dispatch.com/conten...

    I'm not sure Obama can politically afford to get too carried away with bombing ISIS. Whether it is true or not, there is plenty of talk that Obama allowed this to happen by not keeping troops in Iraq longer. He blames the Iraqi government for not updating the SOFA agreements but people have been claiming that Hillary (presumable under Obama's orders) kept increasing demands that couldn't be met by the Iraqi government. He then declared his campaign promise has been realized and ended the war on terror to boot.

    So how does he go back and say the war on terror is not over, how does he come back and say we need to go back into Iraq after claiming the people foreseeing this were nutters, how does he do this without giving credibility to all those decrying our exist from the world or who said if we did not lead in Syria, something evil would fill the void. The problem is, he seems to believe that if we mind our own business, the world will not hate us, will not want to kill us, and situations like this will not exist.

    Now I will admit that all that may not be 100% true, but it is the perception people are getting and it is the perception he seems to be afraid of when he has to acknowledge his foreign policy was a failure, that his plans for peace didn't work. This is what he is up with, he is either claimed to be wrong on everything and allow it to happen, or he has to admit he was wrong and do something about it that goes against what he seems to believe.

    I dropped that comic because it does appear that he is more occupied playing golf than the problems in the world. But to be fair, if you can golf somewhat well, it is a relaxing and peaceful time in which you can actually think things through. This is probably why so much business gets done on the gold course.

  9. You know where this is headed... by Jeremi · · Score: 2

    Drone target-selection via popular vote on Reddit in 3, 2, 1....

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  10. Re:thing i don't understand by cavreader · · Score: 2

    Well he can't run for re-election and that tends to let second term Presidents do things they normally wouldn't do for fear of negatively impacting the next election. The world cannot continue using the earlier Iraqi and Afghanistan wars as an excuse to completely oppose all potential military involvement in any future situation. When making the decision on whether to commit military forces each situation needs to be evaluated separately and on it's own merits. The ISIS threat needs to be destroyed using any means possible. US air support, spec ops teams, and military advisers are working with both the Iraqi and Kurdish ground forces. It's a low risk strategy for the US military and the Iraqi and Kurd ground forces are doing the lions share of the fighting and dying. After all it's their country and their people. In the past the US provided a no-fly zone to protect the Kurds from retaliation by Saddam Hussein after the 1991 Iraqi War. The people in that region are probably the only ones in the world who actually has a favorable opinion on the US. That fact alone is reason enough to try and help them now. Normally I don't think the US should get involved in any military conflicts unless US interests are realistically and directly threatened. There is currently no country in the world worth the loss of even one US soldier. However, in this particular case I am willing to set that requirement aside and support the destruction of a truly despicable group of serial killers.