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Fermilab Begins Testing Holographic Universe Theory

Back in 2009, researchers theorized that space could be a hologram. Four years ago, Fermilab proposed testing the theory, and the experiment is finally going online. Jason Koebler writes Operating with cutting-edge technology out of a trailer in rural Illinois, government researchers started today on a set of experiments that they say will help them determine whether or not you and me and everything that exists are living in a two-dimensional holographic universe. In a paper explaining the theory, Craig Hogan, director of the Department of Energy's Fermilab Center for Particle Astrophysics writes that "some properties of space and time that seem fundamental, including localization [where things are], may actually emerge only as a macroscopic approximation from the flow of information in a quantum system." In other words, the location of places in space may constantly fluctuate ever so slightly, which would suggest we're living in a hologram.

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  1. Flip the switch by rfengr · · Score: 5, Funny

    The instant we realize it's all an experiment or simulation, the flip will be switched off.

    1. Re:Flip the switch by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what we got religion for:
      No matter what 'we' realize, there will alwas be enough people wo believe something completely different for no reason, to keep the system going.

    2. Re:Flip the switch by rasmusbr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it is a simulation you could argue that it is almost certainly optimized for sentient beings.

      Based on what we know about simulators, they are inherently slower and smaller in scope than the system they run on. You're never going to have a virtual machine that is more powerful than the metal that it runs on. Similarly, you're probably not going to have a simulated universe be more powerful than the universe that is hosting the simulated universe.

      Think about it this way: if you're going to build models of 2x4 Lego bricks using 2x4 Lego bricks, the models will be much fewer in number than the actual Lego bricks. If you find yourself being a Lego brick, odds are you are an actual Lego brick and not a model Lego brick.

      Also, tightly packed systems where the components of the systems are small and close to one another in space are faster than systems where the components are large and far from one another in space, because communication happens at the speed of light, which is constant (as far as we know).

      On the other hand, if we build a model that focuses on modelling one particular thing and neglects a bunch of other stuff then the probabilities change. Perhaps we live in a simulator hosted by a much larger universe where there is virtually no life except for the being that built the simulator, whereas our simulation is optimized to be relatively packed with life.

    3. Re:Flip the switch by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      It'd be funny if a bearded man in white robes showed up in the sky and said "Wait! Before you turn if off I want to take a picture of Norway for posterity!"

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    4. Re:Flip the switch by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

      It'd be funny if a bearded man in white robes showed up in the sky and said "Wait! Before you turn if off I want to take a picture of Norway for posterity!"

      "Pity. That was one of mine. Won an award, you know. Lovely crinkly edges."

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    5. Re:Flip the switch by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'd only be able to verify if the Universe we live in were a simulation, if you could witness/observe something _outside_ of that Universe / simulation.

      Not necessarily. If I wanted to find out if I were living in a computer simulation, I would start looking for an exploit. Hack the universe!

  2. Flip the switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why? I guess at that point observing us will get actually interesting. Assuming there is an observer. Even if this is all a simulation there might, or might not be an observer. Also, if you assume a simulation, is everyone else also simulated as having a "free will". Does "I think, therefore I am" actually mean anything? If this is all a simulation, how do I know if the people around me are simulated as their own entities or as part of the background? Does it even matter? Am I part of the background for observing someone else? Is life and planet earth just an anomaly in some holographic "heu lets invent some basic rules and see what happens" experiment? What if they are actually observing blackholes, and life just keeps popping out in every damn simulation, like some bacteria on a dirty petri dish?

  3. Re:Are we, America, butthurt? by Noryungi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This might be part of an answer to your question: "Ohio lawmakers want to limit the teaching of the scientific process".

    In other words, you live in a country where being an ''egghead'' (your term - not mine) is not respected. As a matter of fact, you live in a country where a large percentage of the population still thinks some invisble man in the sky has created the entire Uinverse in 6 days, and the Earth itself might well be 6000+ years old (instead of 4+ billion years old).

    Need I say more? Case closed.

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  4. Let me try... by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Computer, End program."

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  5. What next by bazmail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Document its API, what else?

  6. Re:What next by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, so let's say experiment confirms that we live in holographic universe. And then what?

    Apple will instantly begin legal proceedings against God for copyright infringement.

  7. This just in.... by mitcheli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists in a trailer in rural Illinois have just discovered that the world is indeed flat. Thus bringing an end to the several hundred year old scientific debate.

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  8. Hitch hikers guide .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

    There is another theory, which states that this has already happened.

  9. This is what happens by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is what happens when physicists come up with ideas when they're high, and remember to write them down before coming down.

    .

  10. Re:What next by mAineAc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps the holograph is a side affect of quantum relationships. Just because we are a holograph doesn't mean that someone made it.

  11. Re:I humbly believe the experiment is flawed by Megol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are mixing two orthogonal concepts: that we are perhaps living in a simulation and that the 3D/4D world we live in are actually a flat holographic universe. Don't do that.

  12. Just a thought by alaskana98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Upon reading the research summary, I don't see anywhere where it implies that we are in a simulation. I think they are just proposing that the fundamental construction of reality is 2D but is ultimately 'projected' as 3D due to quantum effect. At least that is the way I interpret this, I could be wrong though.

  13. Much Confusion by Fuseboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a lot of confusion about what this means, but to be clear: this has nothing to do with ghostly 3D things floating in a surrounding room.

    What it's saying is that the 3D nature of the universe might be only approximate. Let's say you (somehow) come up with a two-dimensional universe and physical laws, in which you can mostly accurately (but not completely) calculate the ongoing evolution of a 3D universe. The "mostly accurately" part translates into a slight blurriness, a fuzziness of the 3D world, but it occurs at such small scales that nobody will notice.

    Such models have been created theoretically - not long ago some bright spark concocted a ten-dimensional universe that had relativity and spatial deformations and whatnot, but which was mathematically equivalent to a one-dimensional universe that did not.

    This experiment is looking for the blurriness.

    Now, the story of how this got started is fascinating. Some other bright spark was investigating entropy (chaos), and in particular was interested in the maximum amount of chaos that could be contained in a three-dimensional volume. In a sense, this is like asking the maximum information density of a volume.

    Somewhat bizarrely, the equation for the maximum entropy is proportional to the surface area of the volume. This is really weird, and important. The maximum amount of information you can cram into a space is limited by the space's surface area, not its volume.

    The implication of this is that you could characterize the entire state of a 3D volume with a membrane. This has been proposed as one solution to the black hole information paradox - black holes are a place of no return, and so they seem to violate the law that information (like energy) can't be created or destroyed. The solution is this: as particles enter the black hole, you get tiny peturbations (bulges, dimples, ripples) in the black hole's event horizon. The idea is that the entire state of that particle retained in these peturbations as they play across the event horizon. The information isn't lost, it's just encoded in this 2D form.

    This leads to the startling idea that the peturbations as they evolve are actually modelling the ongoing state of the interior of the black hole. Modelling.. calculating.. simulating. The peturbations on the event horizon are a 2D calculation of the state of a 3D volume.

    This is the holographic theory - what if our entire universe, despite its apparent 3D nature, were in fact equivalent to a 2D simulation.