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Reno Selected For Tesla Motors Battery Factory
First time accepted submitter Mikenan writes Tesla has finally decided that it will build its battery "gigafactory" in Nevada, sources say. "That's a go, but they are still negotiating the specifics of the contract," a source within the Nevada's governor's office told CNBC Wednesday afternoon. The source noted that it could be a week before the deal is official. Nevada is planning a press conference Thursday in Carson City.
Now we know why Nevada was chosen.
CARson City.
Makes total sense.
Dude he can call it "cucumber" if he wants as long as it creates actual STEM jobs in North America.
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WTF is a "gigafactory?"
Is it somehow different than any other kind of factory? Or is it a made-up word designed to satisfy some narcissists ego?
It's the opposite of a nanofactory.
It's a billion factories. That's what he must mean, because giga- used as a prefix has a set, specific meaning.
It is to show the size of the factory. From the article, it is supposed to produce "35 GWh." worth of batteries. I assume that is per year, but they are a bit coy on that detail.
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It's a factory the makes gigawatts worth of batteries.
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Nevada; No corporate income tax. Far fewer and less effective environmental and labor pressure groups. How selfish. Who does this Elon think he is refusing to be suckered in with environmental rule waivers?
I suspect it's going to take a lot more of this kind of corporate profiteering before the bloom comes off the Telsa rose around here though, and my poor karma will suffer a lot more hits — because fanbois will be fanbois.
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We should certainly NOT stop making up words. We don't want a dead language thank you very much. Here, watch this:
http://www.ted.com/talks/erin_...
In any case, it's not "a gigafactory" it's "The Gigafactory". It's a proper name. Tesla can call it what they like, just as you can call any children you have exactly what you want.
35 GWh/Year isn't fooling me!!!
That's only 4 megawatts!
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"Gigas" and "gigantism". Two words with the giga prefix that don't meet your set, specific meaning. Your rule is broken.
Tesla is making over 25% profit on every car sold. All of that money is going into growth and expansion. While they get emission credits, they don't rely on them since they are shrinking.
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Let me only reply to the topic for a second.
Making up words is healthy. It's a necessary part of communicating sometimes. Especially when it's just dropping a prefix onto a word to help establish one of its primary qualities(in this case, scale).
I mean, I guess it's good that they're not manufacturing the batteries in China (batteries are heavy so I guess the shipping outweighs the labor savings) but it sounds like Tesla is just going to pocket a ton of tax credits and other stuff in exchange for putting a building of robot manufacturers in Nevada.
Say what you will, but the middle class needs work. We need something for the vast majority of people who aren't scientists, engineers or politicians to do. That used to be traditional assembly-line manufacturing. After that, it was the millions of people routing documents and reports around large corporations. This next wave of automation is going to put a real crimp on the middle class that it can't easily absorb. Unless people start paying full-salary wages for stupid stuff like rating cat videos or posting on social media, the traditional model of 2-kids-and-a-mortgage is out the window. For the low end, we need something like the steel mills and other factories that would employ thousands of workers in 3 shifts. And for the medium end, we need to preserve at least some of the "corporate drone" jobs. At the risk of sounding like a Luddite, it looks like there's nothing left for the middle of the economy -- it's going to split into ultra low end jobs like cleaning and food service, and high-end jobs like engineering, science, etc. (And I'm guessing management will reserve itself a place in the high end too.)
The problem is, without rolling back a lot of the benefits automation brings, I don't know how we're going to handle the next level of change.
I may be wrong, but doesn't the production of batteries use a lot of water? Something Nevada is known not to have?
Hmm.. "Prefix".. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. At least the two examples you gave do not fit.
Cucumber factory only has stem-removal jobs.
. . . just to watch it die.
In any case, it's not "a gigafactory" it's "The Gigafactory". It's a proper name.
Well then, somebody needs to tell the media, because they sure do like treating it as a common noun.
Tesla can call it what they like, just as you can call any children you have exactly what you want.
Not exactly true.
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Dude, all the STEM jobs in the world won't matter if they only hire H1B visa holders to work them.
I wonder if Tesla is going to start pushing for Mexico to become the next H1B nation, since the factory will be so close to their border...
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I think Tesla is accomplishing something amazing and revolutionary. At the same time, the selection of a site for this factory has been WAY over-reported (at least here in NM, which was on the list), and watching the states trip over each other to "give away the store" in luring Tesla is just sad, and especially unfair to regular companies who don't have this kind of pull and will never get such sweetheart deals.
From 11 months ago:
But make no mistake: Tesla still relies on subsidies to stay in the black. Its first-quarter profit, a modest $11 million, hinged on the $68 million it earned selling clean-air credits under a California program that requires automakers to either produce a given number of zero-emission vehicles or satisfy the mandate in some other way. For the second quarter, Tesla announced a $26 million profit (based on one method of accounting), but again the profit hinged on $51 million in ZEV credits; by year's end, these credit sales could net Tesla a whopping $250 million. There are also generous tax credits and rebates for electric-car buyers: $7,500 from the federal government and up to $5,000 if you live in California.
Beyond that, leaving out the HUGE tax credits buyers get for purchasing Telsa cars (10-17% of the price of a Model S) is intellectually dishonest on your part; Tesla would sell far fewer cars and at lower prices with out those extreme tax credits.
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Looking at the dictionary it means exactly what I thought it did.
But given your limited idea of what it means, who says it fits "gigafactory". Hmm?
Am I missing something? Reno is a ten hour drive from Mexico.
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WTF is a "gigafactory?"
A factory that makes giants.
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Dude he can call it "cucumber" if he wants as long as it creates actual STEM jobs in North America.
Once it's built it will probably only employee low-paid assembly line workers and some managers.
(Which isn't STEM, but may still be an improvement on the way the USA has been hedded for the past few decades.)
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In neither of those words does giga serve as a prefix.
WTF is a "gigafactory?"
It gets it's power from lightning striking the clock tower of Reno City Hall.
OK, obviously there' selection bias in play here, but I've never worked for a large dev shop that preferred HBB workers over workers that didn't require sponsorship. There are certainly H1B-only shops that exist (in defiance of the law) to exploit young workers, but those are contract-only shops (they only do contract work for other businesses). If you're keeping it legal, H1B workers aren't any cheaper (including legal costs).
I have worked for places that had 80-90% of their developers working in India and/or China. That saves money. I'm happy to compete with anyone who works and lives in the US - we all have the same expenses (and I don't send half my paycheck back home).
None of which has to do with manufacturing, of course. Tesla does use some H1Bs for software development (friend of mine's wife works there), but AFAIK they're like most places and pay competitively.
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Factories need industrial engineers, not just assembly-line workers. No, you don't need a ton of IEs to run a factory, but still, there's some there. You also need engineers to do the design, testing, etc. (though some of that may be at their main location in California).
Well then, somebody needs to tell the media, because they sure do like treating it as a common noun.
Today's media can't even spell words properly or use proper grammar; it shouldn't be too surprising that they'd screw up Tesla's factory name.
Now I am concerned about your mastery of negation in English.
Oh come on, we all know what a prefix is. It's the first part of a word. As an example, "pref" is the first part of "prefix", thus its meaning: "to prefer 9s".
And decide no Teslas can be sold there unless they pay a million dollar tax per vehicle.
If you build hard drives it's 1,000,000,000
If you build RAM it's 1,073,741,824 or anything else remotely related to a power of 2 (last I checked hard drives didn't have address lines) and would be called a GiBiFactory
Are you saying it's not actually a factory, but something completely different called a "Gigafactory"?
If you think "giga" is a prefix in the words "Gigas" and "gigantism", you think "s" and "ntism" are words. Sorry, they're not.
There's nothing stopping you calling your child "Gigachild"
That would be a Jiggafactory.
You mean that place where they've been building the big factory? That place? The place where work has been ongoing for months?
What a surprise.
Maybe its because they will be building billions of batteries?
If a car need 8000 batteries, that's 125,000 cars. Its a believable number for sure.
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I'd bet on a shit ton of robots as opposed to lot's of low salary people.
Greed is the root of all evil.
Am I missing something? Reno is a ten hour drive from Mexico.
. . . that's why the government is relocating the illegal alien kids close to Reno . . . cheap child labor for Tesla! They wanted real aliens from nearby Area 51, but there was a tooling problem with the factory, because the real aliens only have three fingers!
The new Tesla batteries will still be built using alien technology from Area 51, though. I don't want to be an alarmist or anything, but if your Tesla is dripping black goo, don't touch it . . . it might not be regular black oil!
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You mean other than the fact people will think Kim "Dot Com" was the father or something right?
WTF is a "gigafactory?"
This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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No, Nevada lithium is in the form of naturally occuring brine. The brine is pumped from underground to evaporation ponds and dried.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Maybe it's the font, but that looked like "Kim Dot Corn" for a minute there.
Given that there's 1million H1B visa holders in the US and there's a hell of a lot more STEM workers, it's probably not all that big of a deal.
I thought a Mini Cooper was a barrel making machine made by Mini Motors. Where does 'small' enter into it?
To be more correct, the car's battery probably requires 8000 cells.
But now I'm being all technical and stuff, and slashdot has changed: it's a website for IT types.
Actually, giga(s) is greek and means "giant". And yes, the syllable for the billion is derived from the greek word. But that doesn't mean that the original meaning just vanishes.
I decided to do the math. 1 year producing 411,000 batteries which could kick out 128 Gigawatts at maximum output! Or the output of a hundred power stations for a short period of time.
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But from the context of my post it was pretty clear I was speaking about English, as I was speaking in English, and not about Greek, because I was not speaking in Greek, so the meaning of giga(s) in Greek is entirely irrelevant to the point being made.
Even the word giant has the same root: it's just omitting the second g, gi(g)ant, for better pronounciation. It's gigas with the latin ending -nt meaning "the one who does", comparable with the english -ing.
I'm wondering... When you dump massive amounts of lithium in the grounds in Reno... Will it make the place less insane?
I am so happy that Tesla isn't building the plant in California, and not just because of the pollution problem it poses. I honestly wish that more and more companies would leave my state and especially from Silicon Valley, or is that Silly Con-Man Valley. The blush is off between the marriage of Stanford and UC Berkeley scientists and entrapaneurs in Northern California. Let them go almost anywhere else as far as I care. The reason is that the promise of their efforts has resulted in overcrowding and impact on limited resources that far outweighs the benefits they make to a tiny minority of engineers and business people. Collectively, the big companies in Silicon Valley do not benefit that many people. It is the dumb-ass politicians both local and state who bend over and spread for these guys while ordinary and normal people pay too much to share the space with them. I say send 'em packing, to Nevada, to Texas, or wherever. I'd love to see Facebook and Google and others, go elsewhere. I don't think that promoting growth equates to quality of life and this part of California will do just fine if the high tech companies relocated taking their overpaid engineers and their Superfund Sites elsewhere. Good Riddance, and with them maybe we can get 10 million people to leave California, then again maybe another big quake would send 'em packing, too.
Its a PR term, hence meaningless.
The STEM jobs don't matter because only a tiny percentage of people now alive can do them. Now, they may be the most productive jobs that have ever existed, until you factor in the fact that most people now alive are unproductive by comparison, then it doesn't matter. Everybody has to eat and everybody has to find something to do with their time. When more and more people get marginalized; that is a dangerous time for sociey.