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The Frustrations of Supporting Users In Remote Offices

Esther Schindler writes "You're not alone in your struggle against people who think a shell is something you hold to your ear," writes Carol Pinchefsky. "Other techies are out there supporting users in remote offices, fighting the good fight against computer- and user-related mishaps – or at least tolerating user frustration with a modicum of grace." One example she gives is a tech support person whose systems in Brazil went down — during Carnival: "...We had to wait more than a week for the locals to sober up enough to reconnect the line. In the end, I had to walk a tech (who did not know the system) through the process step by step via an interpreter. Of course, the interpreter was not technical. So it was kind of like explaining to your mom to tell your grandfather (who is hard of hearing) how to do something while she is on the phone and he is across the room from her."

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  1. Users in remote offices are the best users! by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Users in remote offices are the best users! They can email, they can call, and they all get a ticket opened for their issue. But they can't come make a scene in your department (or worse, at your own desk) because "the data pull I asked for last week is clearly out of date, my customer from yesterday isn't listed" etc. I would much rather support users via email, via ticketing, and via phone if necessary, than support them in person.

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    1. Re:Users in remote offices are the best users! by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Moreover, email and/or texting helps surmount miscommunication due to heavy accents and bad phone connections. Often I've ended a puzzling scratchy phone call with "can you send me that request through email?" And then I get the email, oh yeah, that's what he meant.

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  2. Show Users some love! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IT needs to let go of PEBKAC and ID-10-T errors. Your users have difficult jobs and they probably don't want to deal with you any more than you want to deal with them. They probably aren't "bothering" you for fun. If they are, you're doing your job well.

    Yes, they can be dense. But guess what -- they are human and so are you! They make mistakes. So do you!
    I enjoy The IT Crowd and BOFH, but those are fantasies and should remain such.

    There are many reasons to show appreciation for the work your coworkers do. The most important is that without them, you may be lucky enough to find yourself in their shoes.

    1. Re:Show Users some love! by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stop. Users are often absolutely unreasonable. I understand what you are saying but it swings both ways. You ever have a high school drop-out salesman flat out tell you that they dont know why we have I.T. at all? Users often ARE idiots. You know what office workers in the past did? THEY TOOK CLASSES IN OFFICE AUTOMATION so that they understood the tools they work with every day.

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    2. Re:Show Users some love! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sometimes it does. For example, Windows Servers will occasionally just lose the fact that they have file locks on certain files. They will function, but can't be accessed via the UI.

      Only way to fix it is to reboot the server. Trust me, I thought it was insane at first, coming from a Linux/Unix background. There had to be something... nope. If it's not in the main UI, it won't show in any other locations, however, it'll function just fine to lock that file. Rebooting saves a hell of a lot of time. Even if I have to rarely argue with some other IT person. Tell you what, do whatever you want, tell me if the file lock is still there, then reboot the server, and then tell me if it's still there.

      Just goes to show how for the fact that Windows Servers have gone along the way to not so crappy, they still have things like that. That's far from the only thing!

    3. Re:Show Users some love! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but no. Simple as that. No. The problem is that people are to use a tool and cannot be assed to learn how to use it. And don't turn around and blame corporate by "but they make me". Then learn to do your goddamn job or GTFO of it, you're wasting valuable oxygen someone else could use productively.

      I've spent a good deal of my youth in support jobs. They work well as part time during your university years, and that you're treated like garbage by the cheese-for-brains idiots doesn't really help to endear them to you either. I've seen them all. From the lady who flat out refuses to remember passwords and needs a reset twice a day (one in the morning, one when she returns from lunch) to the gentleman who calls every other day to be walked step by step through the same problem who yells obscenities at you to compensate for his own idiocy that apparently keeps him from writing down those steps.

      No. Sorry. My patience with users has expired long, long ago. Learn to use your tools or vacate the position for someone willing and able to do so.

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  3. Au contraire! by nuckfuts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a useless and whinging article! You find remote support frustrating? Some of us recall the days before remote support was an option, having to hop in a car and drive somewhere every time a problem occurred. Remote support is a f*cking godsend. Don't work in support if you can't handle a bit of frustration.

    1. Re:Au contraire! by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      What a useless and whinging article! You find remote support frustrating? Some of us recall the days before remote support was an option, having to hop in a car and drive somewhere every time a problem occurred. Remote support is a f*cking godsend. Don't work in support if you can't handle a bit of frustration.

      I remember those days. We had to strip RG58 cable with our teeth and punch down wires with our foreheads while holding a 50 pound roll of Cat 3 in each hand. Kids today, they don't know how good they got it.

      Now get off my BBS.

      I think the author's point was, in today's world remote support has a few new wrinkles, like distances you couldn't drive in a reasonable amount of time, different cultures, language and technology barriers. Some of us got an early start in this area (I worked for a Japanese-based company in the 1980's) but for many people, having to support users outside the country is a new thing.

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    2. Re:Au contraire! by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      What I found really smooth was to use create a mix of internal and external contracted support. Troublesome users are passed off to the external support and good users are done internally. The troublesome types want to use some else to prove how bad you are and they are happy until they start to realise how long external support takes and management gets the bill for that detailed external support of them. Everyone else learns to be a lot happier with the quick, direct, personal support and of course in overload situations passing them off to the external contractors helps balance out costs and in the case of remote locations, establishes the use of external contractors. Of course relying on external contractors alone becomes really costly and response times being grossly inefficient.

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  4. Patience is the key by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For me it's important to keep in mind, I get paid the same regardless, so it's not worth getting twisted up about it. Communicate slowly and clearly, use simple instructions, ask politely for feedback (what do you see on your screen now?) and you'll eventually get there. Unless your remote user is trying to defuse a bomb, how long this takes probably doesn't matter much in the long run. So relax.

    Once, at 3AM or so, modem out of commission, no way to log in, I talked an operator through editing a backup script that another admin had broken. (Made a change, didn't test it.) It took a long time, but we got it done and I didn't have to drive in. In his favor, the operator was excellent at following instructions and telling me what exactly he was seeing on the screen.

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    1. Re:Patience is the key by ldobehardcore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the operator was excellent at following instructions and telling me what exactly he was seeing on the screen.

      As someone fairly green on the helpdesk (just hit the 1 year mark), I must say that I appreciate ten times more a user who follows instructions and describes what's on their screen, than users who claim to be tech savvy, broke what they were working on, and can't seem to fix it themselves.

      What I really hate are those users who never learned how to use their computer. They know how to operate one or two programs on the computer, but they always say "I'm not a computer person", and use that as an excuse for never learning the difference between the mouse, the monitor and the tower. The kinds of users who can't take instructions because they're unwilling to focus their eyes in unfamiliar territory on the the screen.

      I'm fine with ignorance, ignorance can be fixed, and ignorance is honest. What I can't stand is when people call in asking for help, but refusing to say what they need help with, then when you pry it out of them, they refuse to follow the instructions you give them. Those are the worst users.

      So yeah. Compassion is great. I do my level best every day to put myself in the users shoes, because I understand how stressful it is when your tools fail you. But there is certainly a point where the patience runs out, because someone who is asking for help (often demanding help) is not willing to be helped once they have my attention.

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    2. Re:Patience is the key by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For me it's important to keep in mind, I get paid the same regardless, so it's not worth getting twisted up about it. Communicate slowly and clearly, use simple instructions, ask politely for feedback (what do you see on your screen now?) and you'll eventually get there. Unless your remote user is trying to defuse a bomb, how long this takes probably doesn't matter much in the long run. So relax.

      Once, at 3AM or so, modem out of commission, no way to log in, I talked an operator through editing a backup script that another admin had broken. (Made a change, didn't test it.) It took a long time, but we got it done and I didn't have to drive in. In his favor, the operator was excellent at following instructions and telling me what exactly he was seeing on the screen.

      In some ways I got lucky. One of my first jobs was supporting point-of-sale systems and pump controllers at 100 gas stations, about 30% were 24-hour. There is nothing like walking a minimum wage cashier through resetting a pump controller and being woken up at 3:00am in the morning as trucks are lining up and they can't pump gas... If you have the patience to do that, you can support just about anything...

      It taught me how to be patient, professional, to ask all kinds of questions, and to pay attention to any and all details that are provided. It also taught me how to put myself in the place of the person on the other end of the phone and how to calm them down.

    3. Re:Patience is the key by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      A year? You're a veteran. Maybe at the pinnacle of your productivity.

      Past the 1.5 years mark, everyone just either loses any kind of motivation or starts doing happy pills to stomach the crap.

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  5. Au contraire - INDEED by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a useless and whinging article! You find remote support frustrating?

    It's more than that. these "support" people find their "users" objectionable - the people for whom they serve and the reason they have a job.

    Many if not most people use computers for a varying scale of applications. Most of these people are not "computer professionals". If you are in "support", your job is to "support" these people. If you can't handle that, it's time for a new job.

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    1. Re:Au contraire - INDEED by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      You're right, of course, but there are always tendencies towards tribalism within the support team.

      Stupid customer said what?

      Sure, it's biting the hand that feeds you, but the us versus them theme is practically genetic.

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    2. Re:Au contraire - INDEED by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Issues like yours mysteriously found their way to the absolute bottom of my list

      And then IT wonders why people circumvent their policies. And then semi-tech-savvy people implement workarounds outside of IT and it all goes well until it doesn't.

      And when it doesn't, the crap hits the fan quickly because most likely it's some hacked-together system some manager set up years ago that ended up as a production critical system. That no one remembers, or even knows where it's at until some move later or IT comes around and cleans up an odd PC sitting by the wall.

      Be difficult, and people will find an easier solution. Now, sometimes emergencies are unavoidable (and using the old "your lack of planning doesn't constitute an emergency on my part" can lead to shadow IT as well when someone needs a server quickly and IT gives them the runaround), so the goal is to find a way to accommodate those requests reasonably.

      The other problem with "expect people to learn their tools" is well, there's a gulf between "knows little" and "knows enough to support themselves" which is called "knows enough to be extremely dangerous". You know the kind - need to share a document with a customer? They'll set up a dropbox account or 10.

      That, and tools are tools. Unless you want to wait while your mechanic compiles a new kernel while fixing your car, that is.

      Computers are wonderful tools because they enable a lot, but they're also quite complex to use because they can do a lot. It's the role of IT to provide the systems necessary so users can use the tools in ways it was designed to, and try to prevent users from doing things they aren't supposed to.

      And no, I rarely need support unless it's really a problem outside of my control (our IT guy comes to ME (and several others) for problems!). And I also know how users get creative in order to do their jobs.

  6. Re:local support by BitZtream · · Score: 2

    The problem is the person complaining isn't very good at his job or prepared for situations that should be expected.

    He seems to think getting something done during Carnival is supposed to be easier than getting anything done in France during August or over Christmas weekend in Spain or the USA.

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  7. heldesk people writing articles wow! by ruir · · Score: 2

    No, your problems are not "people who think a shell is something you hold to your ear"; your bigger problems are people who *think* they know something, specially when in positions of power, or the miraculous consultants management brings him, that where captured by the consulting firm as rookies (because you know, rookies dont have vices and are better to "reprogram") that think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but only know how to use expensive suits, spew pretty reports and shrink wrap what bobs that hates you tells them during the "discover/gathering facts" phase.

  8. Re:learn Portuguese by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    It would make far more sense for the Brazilian tech to learn English. Many technical docs are available only in English. It is the language of science and technology, and any journal or conference that wants an international audience is conducted in English. It is the language of international business. If the Brazilian tech has any ambition, he is going to have to learn it.

    I once spent three weeks in Sao Paulo. I don't speak Portuguese, and only know a little Spanish, but I didn't have much problem. Plenty of people there knew enough English to get their point across, and most tech people that I met were fluent.

  9. Re:learn Portuguese by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are big enough to have a branch office in Timbuktu then you should be big enough for there to be someone in the home office that speaks whatever they speak there.

    Of course this runs counter to the current corporate culture fad of cost cutting and defining success based on quarterly profits and stock results.

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  10. Use your cell phone by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    When conducting remote support, the cell phone is an invaluable tool. For one, you can talk to someone directly as you walk them through the wiring closet / rack if needed. Most importantly, is the ability for them to take photos and send them via SMS. Video capture can be important if you suspect activity lights are wonky (failing switch, rare but happens). But most important, you are providing them to tools to help you dive remotely and be self-sufficient. Remember the phrase "help me, help you".

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  11. Re:I never thought I'd be one of these posters by zephvark · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd gladly sit on the phone

    You're doing it wrong.

    See, this is the kind of problem that makes it difficult for tech support to help you.

  12. what? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One example she gives is a tech support person whose systems in Brazil went down — during Carnival: "...We had to wait more than a week for the locals to sober up enough to reconnect the line. In the end, I had to walk a tech (who did not know the system) through the process step by step via an interpreter. Of course, the interpreter was not technical. So it was kind of like explaining to your mom to tell your grandfather (who is hard of hearing) how to do something while she is on the phone and he is across the room from her."

    Ok, that's just... I don't even know what it is... ethnocentric? It's stupid... not everyone in Brazil gets wasted during carnival. Businesses still run, things still work. If you had a line go down for a week without repair, that wasn't your remote users fault. That was your businesses fault for having a shit contract. Where we work we have tens of thousands of data and voice connections in every remote area you can imagine and there's no way something could go out for a week without a very good excuse like the building burnt down, or there was a flood. Even then we'd find a way around the problem temporarily. It's been more than one time I've kept a company in business with Cat5 strung through some trees.

    And the language thing? Give me an Fing break. I had to support a doctor in India that did not speak english, so I made a wild guess, hit the directory of the hospital and looked for an American sounding name. Sure enough it was an American and he was nice, helped translate. I sent him detailed instructions and he helped walk the other doctor through it. That's our Job If I'm a window washer, I'm not going to complain when I come across a dirty one.

  13. You are there to serve them by iamacat · · Score: 2

    Calmly try your best for 40 hours/week or whatever you agreed to. Explain limitations and possible solutions, like user training and shifting parts of infrastructure to where you are in a better position to maintain it. Then set the limits, but don't be rude. You don't pay the company's bills, your users do.

  14. Your company's fault actually by Torp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... for not having contacted a local tech contractor with some english speaking skills that could help. Someone that comes in a couple hours now and then to solve any issues.
    Remote tech support is all fine and dandy, but sometimes you do need (technically literate) hands and eyes on the ground. I've taken care of servers on a different continent - 99% of the time I just ssh-ed in. The 1% I've had someone local - and technical! - drive in with a laptop and help.

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  15. I see it differently... by Max_W · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She works with a whole system in Brazil via an non technical interpreter? Did it ever occur to her to learn Portuguese language?

  16. "Best" users by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    I disagree.

    For your company, remote users are the most expensive to support. It often takes several minutes to try to make the user understand what you want them to do, and to do it PROPERLY, where locally, you could just go to a user's desk and fix the problem in seconds.

    When dealing with local users, you get to use *ALL* of your senses to diagnose a problem. Does the computer feel abnormally hot? Does it smell like something burning? Can you see that the little tab on the ethernet cable is broken off?

    Likewise, users on the other end of the phone are trying to describe a problem to you using only their voice, and they don't know the jargon: "There is this THING on my browser and it won't go away."
    What is this THING that they are talking about? A window? An icon? A toolbar?

    All of these factors use up a lot of time, and time costs money.

    Also, isolating yourself from the users limits the quality of your work. If you work with them, and see how they use their computers, it will give you a better overall view which helps you support them even better in the future.