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Private Police Intelligence Network Shares Data and Targets Cash

Advocatus Diaboli writes Operating in collaboration with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other federal entities, Black Asphalt members exchanged tens of thousands of reports about American motorists, many of whom had not been charged with any crimes, according to a company official and hundreds of internal documents obtained by The Post. For years, it received no oversight by government, even though its reports contained law enforcement sensitive information about traffic stops and seizures, along with hunches and personal data about drivers, including Social Security numbers and identifying tattoos. Black Asphalt also has served as a social hub for a new brand of highway interdictors, a group that one Desert Snow official has called 'a brotherhood.' Among other things, the site hosts an annual competition to honor police who seize the most contraband and cash on the highways. As part of the contest, Desert Snow encouraged state and local patrol officers to post seizure data along with photos of themselves with stacks of currency and drugs. Some of the photos appear in a rousing hard-rock video that the Guthrie, Okla.-based Desert Snow uses to promote its training courses.

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  1. Time to exchange data on the American cops... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...who do this sort of "civil forfeiture." Badge numbers, names, pictures, locations, perhaps home addresses and phones.

    I'm sure they won't mind, just as they won't mind a "civil" lawsuit or two aimed in their direction. After all, fair's fair, eh?

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    1. Re:Time to exchange data on the American cops... by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember a site like this about 5 years ago. Seems the owner was arrested and the site taken down for "interfering with an ongoing investigation" and "Aiding and abiding the commission of a Class A Felony"

      Seems one of the undercover cops who's information was posted was shot and killed. They linked it back to the site and charged the owner.

      Though I agree with the idea and agree that making it public is a great idea, just know that they will do anything they can to keep there actions hidden from the public.

    2. Re:Time to exchange data on the American cops... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but they're one of the few groups of people who accept the risk exists and chose to do a job anyway.

      Bullshit.

      Want to know who puts their life on the line every day at their job? Fishermen. Lumberjacks. Farm hands. Ironworkers. Garbagemen. Miners. Ranch hands. Truck drivers. Roofers. Roughnecks. Pilots. Bricklayers. Concrete workers. The blue collar workers that feed us and house us and move our goods are the people "who accept the risk exists and chose to do a job anyway"...even today, some of these jobs are 20x more likely to kill you than being a cop.

      Police officer doesn't even make the list of the top fifty most lethal professions. It is on par with bartender and professional athlete in terms of risk.

  2. Defund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think it is about time to curtail our police state and defund the and repeal the laws that make this possible.

    1. Re:Defund by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The question is ... is it legal?

      If you can't find a prosecutor willing to investigate and press charges, it's a meaningless question.

    2. Re:Defund by Tuidjy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those are very relevant examples of the British police incompetence resulting in dead citizens. The thing is... there are four of them, and they occurred in a period of twice as many years. Even if you add up all of the fatal British police shootings since 2000, including ones that were 100% justified, in self-defense, and recorded by the ubiquitous cameras, you will still come to about one tenth of the lowest estimate of police shootings in the US for one year.

      The Brits can go years without any fatal police shootings, and the total times service weapons are discharged is usually in the dozens per year. For comparison, last year, there were four fatal police shootings in the US county (no 'r') in which I work. Two in the one where I live, plus a possible bloodbath, in the town were I live, which was avoided because some brave policemen decided to disregard procedure, by rushing and disarming a suspect instead of opening fire on him and his friends.

      If anything, I have been amazed at the videos in which British cops subdue maniacs who are waving various weapons around. Make a Google search. You will find videos of literally dozens of cops spending a good portions of an hour in ultimately successful attempts not to kill people who in the US would be getting a bellyful of lead within seconds.

      I'm not even going to argue whether it's a good thing that these policemen and policewomen are risking their lives to capture those people. I'm not going to say that I would want the cops in my town to act like British cops. But it is a fact that British style policing results in a lot fewer lethal shootings that ours, per capita.

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  3. Holy cow ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Desert Snow contract employees took in more than $1 million over six months from drivers on the state's highways, including Interstate 40 west of Oklahoma City. Under its contract, the firm was allowed to keep 25 percent of the cash.

    When Caddo County District Court Judge David A. Stephens learned that Desert Snow employees were not sworn law enforcement officers in Oklahoma, he denounced the arrangement as "shocking," and he threatened to put David in jail if it continued.

    The state's American Civil Liberties Union chapter called for an investigation of the district attorney and criminal charges against Desert Snow employees for impersonating law enforcement officers.

    Wait, so these guys are doing traffic stops and seizures (where they benefit from it) and they're not actually law enforcement?

    So basically they're a shakedown racket? The more they seize the more profit they make? That's RICO level stuff there.

    This kind of stuff is appalling, and it just means that a lot of stuff is being put into the private sector so they can ignore all of those pesky laws.

    Unbelievable.

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    1. Re:Holy cow ... by Arker · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is correct. This is a legalized armed-robbery ring preying on US travelers. That, folks, is how low this country has fallen.

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    2. Re:Holy cow ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh, no. Things started getting a lot nastier with Nixon's Controlled Substances Act. They decided it was best to have the Mob control the substances.

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    3. Re:Holy cow ... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right, I've run into this before. Always refuse a search. When you do that, if they are a police officer or not will become apparently rather quickly. Non-police will stall and try to get you to hang around so they can bully you into it. Ask if you're under arrest or otherwise being detained against your will, if not, leave. Have no further discussion with that person. Keep in mind that even the police departments get to keep seized cash. It may not go directly into their pocket but it goes to buying them new squad cars, weapons, vests and even towards their bonuses and promotions. So they have a very strong incentive to "Find" something on you. In a large metropolitian department it may not seem so direct to the officers. But you get into your average town that only has half a doze cops and finding a couple of hundred K in a trunk becomes a big win for them.

  4. Re:Privatized=Compromised by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Privatization is a means by which corrupt bureaucrats hide the largess of government from an unsuspecting populace. Then they run on a record of "shrinking" the government.

  5. Undercover cop issue a non argument. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue is random confiscation (aka. "theft") by local police. I don't have any problem with confiscation as long as a crime was committed and the defendant proven guilty. What isn't tolerable in any way, shape, or form is confiscation of my property because some dimwitted, local yokel cop *thought* about drugs while looking at my car.

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    1. Re:Undercover cop issue a non argument. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What isn't tolerable in any way, shape, or form is confiscation of my property because some dimwitted, local yokel cop *thought* about drugs while looking at my car.

      I'm no longer willing to accept "dimwitted local yokel".

      I go straight to assuming they know damned well they can do it, that they benefit from it, and since they don't really require any proof, why not do it and make themselves look good? I don't believe it's credible they do this in good faith.

      And, of course, I'm sure they skim a little off the top for themselves.

      The rest of the police complain that it's a few bad apples who do this, and that it makes the rest of them look bad. If the honest cops want to stop this perception, start arresting the crooked ones.

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    2. Re:Undercover cop issue a non argument. by weilawei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In January last year, David hired himself and his top trainers out as a roving private interdiction unit for the district attorney’s office in rural Caddo County, Okla. Working with local police, Desert Snow contract employees took in more than $1 million over six months from drivers on the state’s highways, including Interstate 40 west of Oklahoma City. Under its contract, the firm was allowed to keep 25 percent of the cash.

    3. Re:Undercover cop issue a non argument. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even worse it's using things like RICO; which are intended for ongoing criminal enterprises (like a cartel or organized crime) as a tool to steal money from individuals.

      Civil forfeiture consists of your property being the defendant, and you have no standing in the case.

      Nothing better than seizing an asset, denying the owner standing in the case, and then keeping whatever was seized regardless of criminal charges filed against the owner.

      Carrying cash is now essentially illegal. Ideally the police would need to prove illegal actions to keep it, or worse, you'd have to prove it was legit. But no; now they just assume it's dirty, and keep it -- with or without a charge (let alone a conviction).

    4. Re:Undercover cop issue a non argument. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't have any problem with confiscation as long as a crime was committed and the defendant proven guilty.

      You should have a problem with it. Even if the defendant is guilty, the punishment should be decided by a judge, not a cop. The current system, where the police department can keep what they confiscate, gives them a HUGE incentive to fabricate evidence.

    5. Re:Undercover cop issue a non argument. by jmcvetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the honest cops want to stop this perception

      There are no honest cops. Any decent, non-abusive, non-corrupt person who joins up is drummed out of the force within a year.

  6. Aggravated Robbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Means, motive, opportunity.

  7. Property-seizures MUST STOP by mi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Desert Snow encouraged state and local patrol officers to post seizure data along with photos of themselves with stacks of currency and drugs

    Law enforcement doing their job — and bragging about it — is fine. All professions do that, it is normal.

    I don't even mind them seizing the (illegal) drugs, but possession of cash is not against the law. Unfortunately, a loophole in the American legal thinking (as well as the British, which we inherited) does not provide much protection to a person's property . Nowhere near as much as to the person himself.

    The Executive can seize cash, vehicles, and even real estate without Judiciary oversight or approval — and that ought to stop. Their justification — that what they are seizing things was used for "criminal activity" — comes into play, before anyone is convicted in any criminality.

    That must stop. A judge may impose limitations on using of the suspect property (and fund-transfer) — the same way movement limitations are imposed on a person, while investigation is ongoing or a trial is pending. But no seizures ought to be permitted until a "Guilty" verdict is pronounced and the sentencing enumerates, what's to be seized as a punishment.

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