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ISIS Bans Math and Social Studies For Children

mpicpp sends this news from CNN: In swaths of Syria now controlled by ISIS, children can no longer study math or social studies. Sports are out of the question. And students will be banned from learning about elections and democracy. Instead, they'll be subjected to the teachings of the radical Islamist group. And any teacher who dares to break the rules "will be punished." ISIS revealed its new educational demands in fliers posted on billboards and on street poles. The Sunni militant group has captured a slew of Syrian and Iraqi cities in recent months as it tries to establish a caliphate, or Islamic state, spanning Sunni parts of both countries. Books cannot include any reference to evolution. And teachers must say that the laws of physics and chemistry "are due to Allah's rules and laws." Update: 09/18 16:26 GMT by S : CNN has pulled the story over "concerns about the interpretation of the information provided." They promise to update it when they get the facts straight.

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  1. Actually against Islam by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, I'm not a Muslim, nor am I an expert. I've been over in majority Islamic countries a few times though and had a few 'cultural appreciation' lessons.

    Isis is violating a good amount of Islamic teachings with this ban.

    Though I can't see how they're still allowed to teach chemistry(even if they have to say it's due to Allah's rules and law) if they're not allowed to teach math, so it might be an error in the article. Math may have been de-emphasized against teaching their propaganda.

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  2. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by manu144x · · Score: 2, Informative

    Christianity generated the crusades? Did you like attend a history class ever?

    I do not condone the behaviour of some dumb idiots in the army who started killing any people who they didn't like and used the crusades as an excuse for their personal profit, but the crusades were primarily caused by something very similar to ISIS.

    Islam started taking over more and more, slaughtering and robbing villages wherever they could. It took 400 years of farcry to the pope to do something about the islams who were killing everyone who wasn't islamic when the final drop was the conquering of Jerusalem, when they finally decided to take action. Get your facts straight. Yes, I agree there were people among those soldiers/generals who used it as an excuse for their own purposes (aka get rich quick) but believe me, if we won't do something about these ISIS people, they will not stop until they reach the borders of the western world, and by then it will be too late.

    Just one of the many sources stating that the crusades were just a reponse, a reaction to Islam agression. http://gatesofvienna.blogspot....

  3. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Obviously not the Abbasid Caliphate that funded the Baghdad House of Wisdom, home of Muhammed ibn musa al Kwarizmi.

    (the words algorithm and algebra are taken from his name and the titles of books he wrote).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    It's sickening to see these nutters rejecting the thought and culture that once lead the civilizations of the middle east to a true Golden Age.

    Now all we can do is hope that there will somehow be an Islamic Enlightenment. Perhaps in reaction to ISIS? It's hard to see it happening though.

  4. Re:The Truth about ISIS by manu144x · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tell that to the thousands of girls kidnapped from their homes to serve the isis warriors sexually:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/w...

  5. Re: they will defeat themselves by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here, let me pour some gasoline over your strawman and strike a match.

    When have people from Africa appeared at the borders of any country "cap-in-hand [...] demanding their 'rights'"?

    People do try to escape violent, torturing, oppressive, corrupt murderous regimes though. We call them asylum seekers; fleeing to escape persecution from their fucked-up governments. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Or maybe knee-jerk xenophobia is more your cup of tea?

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  6. Re: Anti-math and anti-science ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Which is basically conservatism that wants to maintain the quo socially

    Thanks for confirming you know nothing about libertarianism.

    Libertarians tend to be quite liberal socially - get government out of banning abortions, get government out of licensing marriages, get government out of the business of spying on citizens. These are all quite clearly outlined in the libertarian party's platform. Most of their policies stem from the fundamental precept that government is not the solution to all problems, and government should stay out of the business of solving problems unless there is a pressing need for protection of somebody's individual rights - e.g., most libertarians will agree that a police force and court systems are necessary to provide people redress when their rights are infringed upon by another.

    This often leads them to the conclusion that government spending needs to be dramatically reduced, because government itself is too big, and has insinuated itself into too many areas of our lives.

    Libertarians are NOT about "maintaining the social status quo" - if you had to describe them in terms of conservative and liberal, the most accurate description would be "socially quite liberal, generally fiscally conservative."

    They share tenets with conservatives (government is too big, and should be reduced in size), and liberals (government needs to get out of the personal affairs of its citizens to the largest extent possible, and let them just live their lives and do their thing, regardless of whether they're straight, gay, bi, trans, black, white, yellow, red, christian, muslim, jewish, atheist, or anything else.

  7. Re:they will defeat themselves by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Informative

    I take it your "evidence" is watching the news:
    http://belfercenter.ksg.harvar...

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  8. Re:they will defeat themselves by PvtVoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Has Israel ever resorted to actual genocide/mass expulsions of the population?

    Um.

    Yes?

  9. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by stdarg · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do realize that "gates of Vienna" is a reference to the Islamic expansion into Europe which was only halted at... Vienna?

    Seriously the lack of education about Islamic history is astounding. It's an important religion and culture and you'd think people in this day and age would at least know the basics, like what the crusades were about!

  10. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    final drop was the conquering of Jerusalem

    You need to check your own history. Muslims had ruled Jerusalem for 400 years before the First Crusade. It was a prosperous city of Muslims, Christians and Jews.

    The Crusades stand as one of the great atrocities of European history. The massacre of Jerusalem. Documented cannibalism at Antioch. The betrayal and sacking of Constantinople. And they accomplished NOTHING. All of the Crusader states fell in less than two hundred years.

  11. So... by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are they completely forgetting that the original Islamic caliphate was the most scientific state of its day?

  12. Re:Why math? by stdarg · · Score: 3, Informative

    No. Almost no original mathematics was developed in Islamic countries. There was some, but the vast majority was simply transmitted by Arabic/Muslim scholars from earlier Greek, Egyptian, Babylonian, etc sources.

    Arabic numerals were developed in India and were called Hindu numerals. The reason we call them Arabic is we learned about them from a book written in Arabic, not because they were invented in Arabia.

  13. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do realize that "gates of Vienna" is a reference to the Islamic expansion into Europe which was only halted at... Vienna?

    If you want to know why people are a bit dismissive of the OP's post, please read this critique of the website the OP linked to. Trust me when I say that you don't want to get your history lessons from that site.

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  14. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

    ISIS is fighting in an area already under Muslim rule. It has nothing to do with Islamic expansion and everything to do with war between sects.

  15. Re:Anti-math and anti-science ... by halivar · · Score: 3, Informative

    I stopped reading after the first one. Jesus is quoting the priests' law and calling them hypocrites. So obviously the creator didn't read the passages he/she cited, either.

  16. Re:Why math? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    I suspect it might be a translation issue. But to know that we need the oppinion of someone who speaks whatever language the announcement was in, presumably Arabic. Banning math makes no sense, but it might be perhaps banning certain types of math, or preparing for a yet-to-be-finished Islamic Mathematics cirriculum that downplays the role of western mathematicians.

    Languages can be tricky. Another Islamist group, widely (Though unofficially) called Boko Haram, literally translates as 'Counterfeits are prohibited' - but it actually means something closer to 'Western education is unislamic.' A translation that wouldn't be at all obvious unless you are familiar with the region's history, and knew that 'Boko' might mean counterfeit or fake, but could also be a contraction for 'ilimin boko' or 'fake education' - a phrase used to describe British schools created when the country was formerly part of the British Empire.

  17. Re:they will defeat themselves by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    That said, what would really make it tough for them is a lack of opposition. Their tactics tend to be very self defeating when the larger powers don't overreact and get drawn into conflict with them.

    Normally that'd be the case. Their policies cripple their own society while competing societies flourish, until they eventually consign themselves to irrelevance.

    However, they're simply executing anyone who opposes them. For their tactic to be self-defeating, there has to be a competing society in the first place. People in the West tend to assume that the only way to "win" (in the democratic sense) is to convince people of the merits of your philosophy and get them to support you until you have a political majority. However, there's another way - simply exterminate those who oppose you, which is what ISIS is doing. Both strategies result in you having the support of the majority of the (remaining) population.

    Not opposing them now is going to mean the overwhelming majority of survivors in the region will subscribe to their philosophy. Even if you defeat them later and install a democracy, they're just going to vote for something close to ISIS again because everyone who would've voted differently is dead.. This is one of those cases where failing to stop them quickly is going to result in decades if not a century or more of problems down the road.

  18. Re:they will defeat themselves by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you're mistaken here... Odin is clearly the one true God. Not one of your false Greek or christian gods.

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  19. Re:I LOVE READING PROPAGANDA by jythie · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1953 the percentage of GDP from manufacturing was 28%. In 2012 it was at 12%. I'd call that a drop.

    Between 1953 and 2012 the GDP has gone up by about 600% (adjusted for inflation), so that is still a net increase in manufacturing by a significant margin, just not as large of an increase as other sectors.

  20. Re:they will defeat themselves by butalearner · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only problem is we still need their damn oil. Please, Elon Musk, save us from dependence on these assholes' oil. The sooner we can find a replacement for middle eastern oil and/or their oil runs out, the better.

    Just to give some numbers, here is where we (the U.S.) got our oil in 2013:

    U.S.: 2,720 million barrels
    Canada: 1,147 million barrels
    Saudi Arabia: 485 million barrels (OPEC)
    Mexico: 335 million barrels
    Venezuela: 294 million barrels (OPEC)
    Russia: 168 million barrels
    Columbia: 142 million barrels
    Iraq: 124 million barrels (OPEC)
    Kuwait: 119 million barrels (OPEC)
    Nigeria: 103 million barrels (OPEC)
    Ecuador: 86 million barrels (OPEC)
    Angola: 79 million barrels (OPEC)
    Brazil: 55 million barrels
    U.K.: 54 million barrels
    Other OPEC: 67 million barrels
    Other non-OPEC: 338 million barrels

    Ignoring the type of oil (pretty sure we're exporting natural gas like a fiend right now due to fracking), we need to cut 21% to get away from OPEC altogether, or 12% just to get away from the Middle East. In the U.S., 47% of oil goes to gasoline, 20% to diesel and other fuel oil, 13% to liquefied petroleum gases like propane and such, and 8% for jet fuel. All this info is from eia.gov, by the way.

    So it while it is still an enormous problem, it's not insurmountable. In fact, it's inevitable. We won't go cold turkey, but we will almost certainly keep chipping away at that deficit with continued efficiency improvements on cars and other vehicles, growing emphasis placed on fuel efficiency, and continued improvements in domestic oil production and refining. Ideally the cleaner improvements will come fast enough that we don't have to rely on the latter, but it'll happen sooner or later.

  21. Re:they will defeat themselves by TangoMargarine · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back before the Politically Correct Brigade flooded into everything, you might recall that we used to use male conjugations to refer to ambiguous gender entities in English.

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  22. CNN retracted by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From TFA:

    Editor's note: An earlier version of this story contained reporting about ISIS and education. CNN has concerns about the interpretation of the information provided and we will update the story when we can verify what is happening.

    The original story smelled odd: why would they have anything against maths? Banning history courses make sense when you perform propaganda, but maths?