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Once Vehicles Are Connected To the Internet of Things, Who Guards Your Privacy?
Lucas123 (935744) writes Carmakers already remotely collect data from their vehicles, unbeknownst to most drivers, but once connected via in-car routers or mobile devices to the Internet, and to roadway infrastructure and other vehicles around them, that information would be accessible by the government or other undesired entities. Location data, which is routinely collected by GPS providers and makers of telematics systems, is among the most sensitive pieces of information that can be collected, according to Nate Cardozo, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "Not having knowledge that a third party is collecting that data on us and with whom they are sharing that data with is extremely troubling," Cardozo said. in-vehicle diagnostics data could also be used by government agencies to track driver behavior. Nightmare scenarios could include traffic violations being issued without law enforcement officers on the scene or federal agencies having the ability to track your every move in a car. That there could be useful data in all that personally identifiable bits made me think of Peter Wayner's "Translucent Databases."
This is the reason the group I Am The Cavalry was formed.
Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
... all the time. It knows where I am. It knows how fast I'm going. It knows who I talk to. It listens. It sees.
And it's connected constantly.
Corrected Translucent Databases link. Was previously pointing to the beta site.
The rates will likely skyrocket to near-Canadian rate levels, and there might be a change in Speeding Ticket-Issuing technologies that could (conceivably) issue live warnings and even Tickets based on telemetry and other live info...
Imagine getting caught up in a construction or accident re-direct, and their being a batch of auto-tickets issued for using the wrong lane(s) or traveling on a closed section of road! People won't really be able to fight a live-issued ticked based on in-vehicle speed data after all because it's going to come form your own speedometer and correlated with satellite tracking for accuracy.
Talk about a Revenue Stream! Who needs a Speed Trap, when your Vehicle will issue you a ticket directly.
Government will simply mandate it, and it Will Be So.
Mark my words...
This is true of your thermostat, your fridge, and pretty much anything else which is a part of this "internet of things".
Every aspect about what these devices does will be analyzed, used for marketing information, handed over to law enforcement, or your insurance company, or anybody who hacks into it.
For some of us, this whole IoT is a privacy nightmare waiting to happen, and we have no interest whatsoever in it.
Unfortunately, a lot of people like to see that as a sign that you're paranoid and getting alarmist about things which will never happen.
And then, like the widespread surveillance being misused (which they swore would never happen), parallel construction (which is perjury in my books), or the scope creep we see all around us ... almost inevitably this comes true and people act surprised.
Sorry, but I for one will not be enabling this crap. It just seems like technology for the sake of it, and by the time people realize that those among us who have been saying this will be a problem were right, it's too damned late.
Unless there are laws governing how a company can use the information, and some controls over law enforcement to prevent them from getting this and misusing it ... the internet of things is a terrible idea, and will not make your life better. The sheer amount of information about every aspect of your life which will be in someone else's hands is staggering.
In the end, I predict it will make our lives far worse, and usher in even more of this surveillance society we've been seeing.
We can't trust them with the information they have now, let alone from another bunch of sources in your life.
You really think the government won't insist on getting all this data without a warrant? And they won't claim you have no reasonable expectation of privacy and that they should be entitled to know where everybody is at all times? Or that corporations won't sell this for marketing purposes? Or to deny you service?
Hell no. Now, pass the tin foil please.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
segways will finally find a purpose?
things don't have their own internet...its the same one we use for everything else
so please just say cars are connected to the internet
Your '84 T-bird was fuel-injected and had electronic ignition. It was in no way EMP-proof.
"Frequently wrong, never in doubt."
I will guard my privacy just as I already do: by physically disabling the GPS and communications systems in the car.
Mother: Who ate the last piece of cake?
Fridge: Gary ate the last piece of cake.
Wife: Where was Gary last night?
Car: Gary was at the strip club with Larry and Moe.
Police Officer: How fast were you going?
Gary:I don't know.
Chevy: Gary was going 57 miles per hour. He was 7 miles over the limit.
Police Officer: Have you had anything to drink?
Gary: No officer.
Chevy: Gary was tailgating with Larry and Moe. The cooler says they have consumed 3 cases of beer.
Just because my phone is traveling in a vehicle, does not mean that I am driving or even IN said vehicle.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
The T-Bird's ignition is timed a solid-state electronic ignition control module that reads the timing from a sensor and grounds the coil causing the high-voltage burst of electricity that fires the spark plug. The role of the distributor is to select which spark plug should spark. Prior to the invention of electronic ignition, gasoline engines used a set of mechanical points that rode on a cam lobe under the distributor. When it came time to fire a spark plug, the points would come in to contact with each other and cause the coil to ground. This is the system used by the '68 Plymouth.
All fuel injectors for gasoline-powered road cars (mechanical injectors were used in racing for a while and were used for many years in diesel engines) are controlled by an ECU. Early Bosch fuel injection units used in 1960s VWs used an ECU the size of a small suitcase. When EFI became more mainstream in the mid '80s the ECU was significantly smaller. They weren't nearly as complicated as modern ECUs--they just ran a loop reading a few sensors and adjusting fuel injector speed and duration.
Starting the engine has been pretty much the same since electric start came out in the early 1920s if not earlier. A big relay (or in really old stuff a big switch) sends lots of amps to a powerful electric motor that turns the engine over. Even if the motor did get fried by an EMP, the '68 plymouth likely has a manual transmission and could be roll started.
For the record, your '84 T-Bird was a piece of shit. So was my '84 Mercury Cougar :-)
"Frequently wrong, never in doubt."
The "Internet of Things" is a solution without a problem. There is nothing about the Internet of things that could not be accomplished without the built-in violation of privacy. When are people going to figure out that a large percentage, if not the majority of all new technical "solutions" are actually methods of taking something from you, instead of providing you with some service or improvement to a product? Once you get past the novelty, it's actually quite an ugly picture. From "smartphones" to mobile payments, "connected" appliances and all the rest, it's not meant to make your life better, but to alter your relationship to your possessions in order to enrich someone who does not have your best interests at heart. It's not enough that they've turned the Internet itself from a revolutionary platform for communication and the sharing of data into a shopping mall where the product is you. Now they have to turn your very life into a terrarium for their own enrichment.
And the worst part of the Internet of Things is that it's just not worth the price, no matter the price.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but that isn't some conspiracy theory, or secret program, and the actual law that that program is designed to study will involve odometer checks not GPS. GPS is being used for the study, because it allows quick results. Having to manually check the millage of all the vehicles would not only delay the information, it would balloon the cost of the study, and quite simply the study would not even happen.
The reason we're doing pilot studies on the feasibility of mileage-based taxes is twofold:
* We have high adoption of electric and hybrid vehicles, and currently we're projected to run out of money to maintain roads because our road funding is mostly from the gas tax. No gas, no gas tax!
* Anti-environmentalists are complaining about gas vehicles having to subsidize electric without a vote, by avoiding the tax that is used to maintain the roads.
Care to elaborate on how any of that has anything to do with what you were replying to?
And by-the-way, any such future changes will be decided by a direct vote of the People of Oregon.