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Netropolitan Is a Facebook For the Affluent, and It's Only $9000 To Join

MojoKid writes Facebook has become too crowded and too mundane. With around 1.3 billion Facebook users, it's understandable to be overwhelmed by everything and want to get away from it all. However, unlike Facebook which is looking to connect everyone to the internet, there is a new site called Netropolitan that focuses more on exclusivity and privacy. The site was founded by composer and former conductor of the Minnesota Philharmonic Orchestra James Touchi-Peters who wanted to provide a social media site for affluent and accomplished individuals. People wishing to join need only pay a mere $9,000 to join. Of that amount, $6,000 is the initiation fee and the remaining $3,000 is for the annual membership fee which users will continue to pay. So what does the initiation and annual fee get you? For starters, Netropolitan will offer an ad-free experience and will not promote any kind of paid promotions to its members. However, it will allow the creation of groups by businesses in which members can advertise to each other under certain guidelines.

178 comments

  1. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the free advertising!

    1. Re:Thanks by durrr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Necropolitan is even more exclusive.
      It's free to join but only open to the dead.

    2. Re:Thanks by nucrash · · Score: 1

      Awesome idea. If the site fails, no big loss. If the site is a success, congratulations, there is one stop shopping for exploitation. Congrats you just paid a lot of money to share your data with a bunch of friends only to have it exploited.

      Nothing better than creating an easily accessible haven for all of your no-no shots and painting a giant target on it.

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    3. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, it was launched by eHarmony founders after a retrospective study of their algorithm.

    4. Re:Thanks by kmoser · · Score: 2

      Are people dying to join?

  2. Or bring your Apple card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because being a member has its priviledges.

    1. Re:Or bring your Apple card by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Well, perhaps they give you at least a discount if you're already an I Am Rich user?

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  3. I'm starting my own exclusive club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    and you only need to pay me $100k to join! Hurry, offer is limited!

    1. Re:I'm starting my own exclusive club by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Funny

      with blackjack and hookers?

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    2. Re:I'm starting my own exclusive club by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fact forget the club...

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    3. Re:I'm starting my own exclusive club by antdude · · Score: 1

      Bender, is that you? :P

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    4. Re:I'm starting my own exclusive club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is Twister. No clothing allowed. Milton is just going to sit there in the corner and be a wrinkly old voyeur.

    5. Re:I'm starting my own exclusive club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackjack? I thought it was hookers and blow.

  4. Srsly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously guys, what..?

  5. .info by GoddersUK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

    1. Re:.info by StripedCow · · Score: 2

      They don't even seem to have a running website yet.
      I guess they just want to share the idea with the rest of us so that someone else can implement it.

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    2. Re:.info by rebelwarlock · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, everyone knows exclusivity is only found with .tk!

    3. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Websites are sooooo last year, dahlinks.

    4. Re:.info by Rhaban · · Score: 5, Informative

      $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

      they have a .club: https://netropolitan.club/

      (and it runs on wordpress...)

    5. Re:.info by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A: "Hey look at this social media website I made last weekend"
      B: "Does it have all the features of Facebook?"
      A: "No, it was just meant as an experiment and I don't expect anybody would want to use it even if we gave it away for free"
      B: "How about we tell everybody it's exclusive and charge a very high entrance fee?"
      A: "Great idea, that'd solve the scaling issues too!"

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    6. Re:.info by Noughmad · · Score: 2

      (and by its speed, it looks like it runs on a laptop in a mother's basement)

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    7. Re:.info by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to their website:

      "The entire service is inaccessible from the public Internet, including search engines. "

    8. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

      I can't think of a single TLD other than .com for Facebook that I've ever heard of anyone using, and yet 1.3 billion people still manage to find the website every damn day.

      With a list as long as my arm of things to tease and nitpick this site over, this ain't one of them. Let's not act like morons and pretend every search engine suddenly disappeared.

      TLDs stopped meaning anything more than a bullshit marketing ploy when we found a "need" for more than com/net/org.

    9. Re:.info by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      No kidding... I doubt this would have issue running on a couple medium sized cloud instances for db and web... unless it's in an enterprise framework like Java or .Net designed by an enterprise architect. (Or by Oracle) ... I kid, knowing you can build fast and scalable software with those tools, but that doesn't always work out to be the case.

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    10. Re:.info by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

      I can't think of a single TLD other than .com for Facebook that I've ever heard of anyone using, and yet 1.3 billion people still manage to find the website every damn day.

      With a list as long as my arm of things to tease and nitpick this site over, this ain't one of them. Let's not act like morons and pretend every search engine suddenly disappeared.

      TLDs stopped meaning anything more than a bullshit marketing ploy when we found a "need" for more than com/net/org.

      As long as URL:s are visible to viewers .com and .org will remain as status markers. The fact that these people couldn't afford to acquire the .com is evidence that there isn't a lot of financial muscle behind the project.

      Another piece of evidence is that the site is now down. I'm going to go ahead and guess that they are on this plan: http://mediatemple.net/webhost... with "unlimited bandwidth" for $29 a month, laws of physics be damned.

    11. Re:.info by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound terribly useful then, does it.

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    12. Re:.info by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 0

      Did the maestro consider that several ISPs still don't support these new fangled TLDs yet?

    13. Re:.info by pr0nbot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A private domain for all the stuff you only want to share with close associates doesn't sound useful to you?

      Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter results in my google searches are just noise that I have to filter out.

    14. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      What does it mean for an ISP to 'not support' a TLD? The only way a TLD would be inaccessible is if it is being deliberately blocked, and I wouldn't call that 'not supported', I'd call it 'blocked'.

    15. Re:.info by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The evolution of social media will probably be fb-like sites with a targeted audience or topic as most websites integrate social media into their fabric. Facebook is the hub for this now but the any of these websites could swap URLs for another that implements the same interface.

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    16. Re:.info by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The government will latch onto it like a starving walker then.

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    17. Re:.info by kammermusik · · Score: 0

      Or was it .tcl?

    18. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not act like morons and pretend every search engine suddenly disappeared.

      "Showing results for metropolitan
      click here to search for netropolitan... wait who the fuck would do that?"

      -sincerely,
      Google

    19. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those ISPs should get their act together and stop interfering with DNS.

    20. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, they're a stupidly high-priced BBS?

    21. Re:.info by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      They'll get money from 20-30 people who are at the right intersection of right and stupid, and close up shop in a couple of years after having made a bit of money. Good for them?

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    22. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to their website:

      "The entire service is inaccessible from the public Internet, including search engines. "

      If that's the case - good luck trying to access their site...

    23. Re:.info by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Funny

      The hardware upgrade comes after somebody joins. Only need one person. Guys? Anyone?

    24. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, based on the waste of money I see on the http://www.bornrich.com/ site I am willing to bet that they will find a couple of thousand people to pay into this scheme, and thus they will make money for the first couple of years. But as they grow their costs will go up, the creator of the site says this is a social network only, no extra services will be offered.

      The rich expect service when and where they want it, don't deliver what they want and the number of them who will stay with the service will be few and far between.

      E.C.P.

    25. Re:.info by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Those already existed long before Facebook. It's called forums.

    26. Re:.info by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Welcome NewUser003!
      We recognize everyone's desire for privacy, so for an additional $5000 you can get "Blocker" which stops even the other club members from seeing your page.

      Then, for an additional $5000 you can purchase "UNBlocker," which allows you to see the pages of everyone who bought "Blocker."

      (turtles all the way down)

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    27. Re:.info by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have stuff that I only want to share with close associates. I wouldn't use any social media site to do it, though.
      This idea is just stupid. However, there are a lot of rich people with more money than brains so it could be wildly successful.

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    28. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it mean for an ISP to 'not support' a TLD? The only way a TLD would be inaccessible is if it is being deliberately blocked, and I wouldn't call that 'not supported', I'd call it 'blocked'.

      DNS doesn't work the way you think it does.

    29. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's kind of what Facebook did. I would bet the annual cost of maintaining your studies at Harvard costed more than 3000 on average.

    30. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, everyone knows exclusivity is only found with .tk!

      the gui library to tcl has its own domain? awesome!

    31. Re: .info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. This is some scammer for sure. There is no elegance or any thing high end or exclusive about this. And it's over priced. A local club pricing scheme would be better and it should be partnered. This is some guy, that figured out how to make a wordpress site.

    32. Re:.info by chfriley · · Score: 1

      .info has been around since 2001. Is that really new fangled? (Or is this just a Slashdot dupe from 2001 lol).

    33. Re: .info by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's pretty clever. Make up something lame, call it "exclusive", and sell it to people with more money than brains. It reminds me of some company that made fancy, massively-overpriced cellphones to sell to rich people (with sapphire mechanisms in the buttons, no less) back when the iPhone v1 was revolutionizing smartphones.

      This thing doesn't have to become a giant commercial success, it just has to make a bunch of money before the owners bail out and it collapses.

    34. Re:.info by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The rich don't need good service. They'll pay their $9k each, get pissed off, and the site will be down after a couple of years due to non-renewals; meanwhile, the site founders will have made $10-20 million (2,000 people, your numbers, times $9k = $18M) and can retire quite comfortably.

      I wish I had thought of it....

    35. Re:.info by Larryish · · Score: 1

      I ain't sayin' she a gold diggah

      But she ain't hangin with no broke niggah

      In fact some nigga gave that hoe $9000 to join a stupid social media site

      That hoe she smart

    36. Re:.info by drkim · · Score: 1

      $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

      Well, for $60 down and $30 a month you can join the .MOBI version...

    37. Re:.info by drkim · · Score: 1

      Try the .WEB TLD sometime.

    38. Re:.info by drkim · · Score: 1

      According to their website:

      "The entire service is inaccessible from the public Internet, including search engines. "

      You have to call their number on your 14.4k dial-up modem.

    39. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny when white people try to be ethnic!

    40. Re:.info by drkim · · Score: 1

      $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

      they have a .club: https://netropolitan.club/

      (and it runs on wordpress...)

      In all fairness - although Netropolitan runs on Wordpress, users do have their choice of a vanilla, chocolate, or strawberry color theme.

    41. Re:.info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you know that proper SEO spam comments require you to provide the link to tcl.tk...

  6. rotfl by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 0

    why this is on front page?

    1. Re:rotfl by Megane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So that we can laugh at the balls it takes to come up with this kind of thing. "Damn, why didn't I think of that?"

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    2. Re:rotfl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why this is on front page?

      The fuckers pay cash.

    3. Re: rotfl by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Neither "News for Nerds" or "Stuff that matters".

      So obviously front page material.

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  7. And.. by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

    According to their terms of use, they can terminate your account at any time, for any reason, and you aren't entitled to a refund.

    1. Re:And.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to their terms of use, they can terminate your account at any time, for any reason, and you aren't entitled to a refund.

      Well, if you're stupid enough to sign that kind of EULA for a service you actually pay for, you deserve to be a member of that exclusive club.

    2. Re:And.. by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Is the "legal basis" to the scam.

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  8. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nope. But you can start your own version of Slashdot, and ask $9000 to join.

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  9. Nice Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like that will work for more than a few months.

  10. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by shri · · Score: 2

    Seems like submissions from certain accounts (MojoKid is one of them) get approved, regardless of the value to the community. I'd speculate that sites like hothardware do advertorials which they then promote through various "social networks".

  11. Oh my by charronia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is an awesome scam. You get them to give you obscene amounts of money and they'll even feel good about it.

    1. Re:Oh my by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      At which point they might even have enough money to hire a developer to actually build a site and keep the yearly fee rolling in.

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    2. Re:Oh my by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      As Moist von Lipwick already knew, this is the essence of a really good scam. Nothing lets someone leave all sense and care behind as the prospect of fleecing someone else.

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    3. Re:Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaaah, the good old Mr. Damp. Last time I heard from him, he was running the railway like the good chum that he is.

  12. "Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterion by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's rich people. Let's just put that down in here in black and white. A nine-thousand-dollar entry fee doesn't test for your contributions to medicine or the arts, or whether you've taken your hard-earned wealth and invested it in a nice brownstone filled to the brim with the best contemporary art has to offer. That $9000 bouncer will be just as happy to let in every reality TV star, pop artist, flash-in-the-pan record producer, and fleetingly-wealthy action movie screenwriter.

    And if you think that a $9000 fee is going to stop somebody from registering just so they can grab all your "private" communications and put them up on the public web, you have seriously underestimated human puckishness.

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  13. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pipedot.org

  14. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  15. This is how you make it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it, in the sense of being able to make money. First, you take money from the poor, when you get rich enough, you start taking from the rich, then you get wealthy.

    1. Re:This is how you make it by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Spoken like someone who's never actually made money.

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    2. Re:This is how you make it by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      His business plan is to 'take money from the poor', so yes he's never made any money. Note: First world 'poor' aren't really poor. You can't be both poor and fat. First world 'poor' have nice disposable incomes and are dumb as rocks.

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  16. Neopolitan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    $6,000 to join $3,000 pa and they only have a .info domain? Nothing says "exclusive" and "accomplished" like a .info domain...

    they have a .club: https://netropolitan.club/

    (and it runs on wordpress...)

    I don't like that. I find the chocolate distracts me from the strawberries and vanilla.

    1. Re:Neopolitan? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Tried it; it's been slash dotted? I am curious about one aspect of this country club, "However, it will allow the creation of groups by businesses in which members can advertise to each other under certain guidelines."

  17. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on your /. #, you've seen this shit for several years. Why are you still here?

  18. SMH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The online country club for people with more money than time.

    Pathetic anyone stupid enough to pay $9000 for that deserves to go bankrupt. Also It wouldn't surprise me if we see a Funimation lawsuit in the near future because that's what rich people do sue other rich people.

    1. Re:SMH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using "SMH". Pathetic.

  19. How by ruir · · Score: 1

    did this shit end up in facebook? I have a nice site to sell you 100k and you will have a nice site in http://127.0.0.1./

    1. Re:How by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I tried your http://127.0.0.1/ website and all I see is porn.

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    2. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just out of curiosity, did you see any naked pictures of your wife?

      Wanna buy some?

    3. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice tip! ...

      Wow, that's some sick stuff.

    4. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you. All I get is "website not available". Pity too, because it's got amazing ping time. I'd like to get in touch with them and see if they'll put up a game server there.

  20. Wordpress + Buddypress = $9,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see Wordpress with Buddypress and a premium membership plugin with what appears to be a virtually unmodified $62 Themeforest template. It couldn't have taken more than a weekend to put together.

    If that doesn't scream exclusivity...

    1. Re:Wordpress + Buddypress = $9,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I see it too: http://netropolitan.info/wp-login.php ......

  21. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's rich people. Let's just put that down in here in black and white. A nine-thousand-dollar entry fee doesn't test for your contributions to medicine or the arts, or whether you've taken your hard-earned wealth and invested it in a nice brownstone filled to the brim with the best contemporary art has to offer. That $9000 bouncer will be just as happy to let in every reality TV star, pop artist, flash-in-the-pan record producer, and fleetingly-wealthy action movie screenwriter.

    And if you think that a $9000 fee is going to stop somebody from registering just so they can grab all your "private" communications and put them up on the public web, you have seriously underestimated human puckishness.

    A $3000 annual fee isn't even a cutoff for rich people when all the "poor" kids are running around financing their new iPhones today...

  22. Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more! by HnT · · Score: 2

    I'm gonna go build my own slashdot, with blackjack and hookers!

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  23. Damn, beat everyone else to I Am Rich by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Came here just to ask if there was a discount, or if the membership would offer/reinstate a free I Am Rich app. for the first x users!

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  24. Clever idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This might fail but the idea should work, it's not much different in principle than the old style private clubs for the rich. They would need a couple of celebrity businessmen to join at the start and it would take off as a status symbol, I'm sure.

    1. Re:Clever idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This might fail but the idea should work, it's not much different in principle than the old style private clubs for the rich. They would need a couple of celebrity businessmen to join at the start and it would take off as a status symbol, I'm sure.

      It's a stupid idea. A Virtual Private Club is exactly like Facebook. The only difference is the fee.
      Now in real life a Private Club for rich people doesn't even look like your grandmother's basement. You pay for that, for the exclusivity, for the banquets with silverware, etc... A virtual private club gives you none of those physical extras.

      The reality is that in cyberspace we're all equal. Can you sell a piece of cyberspace for 1 million $ ? No, because I could as easily create from thin air a piece of cyberspace that costs 0 (maybe some dollars for the electricity bill). There's no concept of scarsity in cyberspace.

    2. Re:Clever idea by Justpin · · Score: 1

      There is no real scarcity online. Which is why companies utilise artificial scarcity. Things such as some twitch tv live streams make you apply for a code to be able to watch it limiting the number of viewers when theoretically the sky is the limit.

  25. Some symphony/director joke goes here by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Is this the online equivalent to getting tickets to the symphony? If so, it's no wonder they're all going under.

    or maybe

    If a symphony director thinks having all his buddies sign up for $9000 websites is a good idea, maybe we're paying symphony players too much.

    or, perhaps better

    Symphony conductor wants to keep all of the instrumentalists off his new site, so he sets the entry fee to be more than what they make in a year.

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    1. Re:Some symphony/director joke goes here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it's more like a country club where members go to get away and play golf, then settle back and eat and drink in the clubhouse with their spouses while avoiding the riffraff.

      Only there's no golf and no clubhouse. And this being the Internet, they won't really avoid the riffraff. But they do get to pay the membership and initiation fees, though.

  26. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

    "Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterion. It's rich people. Let's just put that down in here in black and white.

    Yeah, that's what affluent means. Had to look it up myself.

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  27. build on wordpress and wp template for 50$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    bitch please

  28. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    Most middle class people are able to cough up the entry fee and yearly dues, but my guess is that very few of them would be willing to drop that much of their disposable income on something that probably has zero value to them. Except for royalty watchers who enjoy a more intimate peek at what goes on between movie stars and other rich folk, this fee will do a good job of keeping out the little people. It might also keep out the rich though; the well-to-do will pay extra to be shielded from the common folk, but they do expect value for money other than just privacy. The site had better be good, and offer a sterling experience and nice perks.

    If I were rich and considering joining this site, I'd be less concerned about ads and more about the site selling off my data to others. It'll be a goldmine for certairn businesses, and I can already see how that plays out: site becomes popular, site gets sold to investors at an overinflated price, new owners change the rules and start milking more and more data to recoup their investment.

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  29. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 like. Definitely need competition to keep business owners honest.

  30. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That $9000 bouncer will be just as happy to let in every reality TV star, pop artist, flash-in-the-pan record producer, a

    Those TV and music starlets will stay on FB because they want and need to stay in touch with their fans.

    The wealthy have always segregated themselves. That $10k membership fee in the golf club is not because keeping the grass short is so expensive, either. It is to make sure everyone you meet there is in your class.

    Frankly speaking, I'm mostly surprised that this doesn't already exist.

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  31. Affluent AND Accomplished? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or do they mean Affluent OR Accomplished?
    I mean Gandhi was accomplished but not affluent. Would Gandhi even care to hobnob with the rich?

  32. "Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by swb · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've done work for country clubs and "keeping the grass short" is very expensive. The equipment and grounds crews for a 18 hole golf course are both extensive.

    Most operate at least one full-service restaurant and bar area, sometimes more than one in certain seasons (ie, fine dining room and a more low-key grill type food service) and they staff them like they were going to be 3/4 full despite being empty or only 1/3 full much of the time. Food waste is huge, plus they usually feed their employees a separate meal.

    A lot of clubs have big, old clubhouses that are maintenance nightmares. They don't get replaced because its a multi-million dollar expense that has to be paid for through assessments on members and there's a romantic attachment to the clubhouse because someone famous played there 100 years ago.

    And your $10k initiation fee? That's a joke, $10k is for some low-rent club with a bowling-alley class snack bar. Try $100k, which usually buys stock which is refunded to members when they resign the club. It's usually $2k/month with dues, food and beverage and golf fees. And this is for a better Midwestern club, I'd double those figures on the coast, or more in certain places.

    The fees aren't to keep people out, either, even if they have that effect, they're just to keep the place running. The members openly practice discrimination on who gets to join, you don't just apply for membership, you have to be asked and sponsored by a current member. But despite the veil of exclusivity, most really make ends meet by renting the place via their banquets office and low-cost "social" memberships that enable use of the foodservice areas. They need them to keep the place running.

    1. Re: "Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The grounds crew is usually made up of 2-3 well paid full-timers who manage the entire grounds operation along with another half-dozen full-timers who are better (but not well) paid people who do stuff like maintain a fleet of equipment, oversee the massive irrigation systems, the extensive chemicals used to keep the grass up and then oversee the dozen or so seasonal low-wage hourly employees who do the grunt work.

      There's a lot of irony in the club business. I've heard a lot of stories -- pictures kept screwed down so the members won't steal them, floral arrangements strategically timed so that the bridge ladies don't take them home hours after they get put out, members blackballed for getting caught loading their trunk with snack items like bottled soda/beer/chips and the never ending calls from members nitpicking their monthly bills over things like "I didn't have desert that night" or "we only ordered one drink". Not to mention the few whose accounts get sent to *collections* over unpaid dues/bills.

      While they are really wealthy people there (I've seen new members come in and just write checks from a blue vinyl checkbook for $80-100k initiation fees), I think there's an awful lot of "keeping up appearances" that goes on -- people whose money ran out yet try to maintain an illusion of wealth, or climbers with short-term leases on Mercedes, rented luxury houses and the hope that they can snag some money from the truly wealthy for whatever shell game they're running.

    2. Re:"Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      But despite the veil of exclusivity, most really make ends meet by renting the place via their banquets office and low-cost "social" memberships that enable use of the foodservice areas. They need them to keep the place running.

      Great spin there. No, that money is spent for opulence. No grounds should cost that much, nor any snack bar. The point is that golf exclusive golf courses are not supposed to make a profit. They are supposed to spend all their money on the course. The high fees and rentals are for increased opulence, you know, more gold faucets in the bathrooms, and another tenth of a millimeter off the putting green, cuter blond waitresses.

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    3. Re:"Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was one club around here kind of like that, a truly world-class golf course that has hosted 3-4 majors in the last 30 years. Their clubhouse was a dump and it allowed them to get serious golf members who didn't care about embroidered hand towels.

      The irony with a lot of the old-money exclusive clubs is that their courses may be challenging for amateurs, they're not capable of hosting major men's tournaments. Not enough yardage. A big name professional came in for a one day, high dollar "seminar" and the story was he was driving balls off the tees past the greens.

      Frankly, the "opulence" is way less than you think. The facilities are more like a shop-worn high-end hotel, 5 years overdue for a remodeling. There's no models as waitresses, the clubs have to compete for waitstaff against real restaurants that turn a lot of tables. If you're a hot waitress you'll make a ton more money at a trendy new place that's booked three weeks out or some corporate expense steak place where a tab for four runs $500+.

      I'm often at a loss why someone would join -- they're nice, but not THAT nice. Most decent cities have more good restaurants than you can visit fast enough before the celebrity chef moves on to some other new, high-end place. The facilities aren't that great and for the kind of money it costs you could certainly get into a lot of other luxury experiences.

    4. Re: "Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      Jobs pay what the market will bear. Should these people be paid more because they're working on something used by others who are wealthy? No. In fact, the jobs wouldn't exist without those wealthy people. Maybe the personality problem you spoke of is called envy.

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    5. Re:"Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever visited a country club? Only the newest ones or the ones that cost upwards of $100k a year will be in immaculate condition. Also, taking care of a golf course is really expensive if you want it to look nice all the time. The local municipal golf course will look like shit compared to a nicely manicured country club course.

    6. Re: "Keeping the grass short" is hugely expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but rich people also tend to simply be narrow-minded cheapskates. My dad's a horse/cow veterinarian who has clients from hardscrabble making-ends-meet farmers to rich trophy riding horse owners. Growing up, it was always the wealthy clients who would endlessly delay paying bills and squabble over tiny percents of a bill.

  33. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by BringsApples · · Score: 2

    You're #72931. There's no way that you haven't seen slashvertizement before. Also there's no way you're leaving, as you're obviously hooked.

    But good alternatives? ..dunno... soccer, baseball, jogging, learn a musical instrument, farming, politics, write a book...
    Or did you just want another site that will advertize to you?

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  34. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Most middle class people are able to cough up the entry fee and yearly dues, but my guess is that very few of them would be willing to drop that much of their disposable income on something that probably has zero value to them. "

    I'm curious about what your definition of "middle class" is...

  35. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly speaking, I'm mostly surprised that this doesn't already exist.

    It does exist, but it's in a real-world setup. You know, if you want to have a discussion with your buddy that lives 1,500 miles away, you can email/chat/facebook/twitter them. And there you are, holding your $device in your hand looking silly to anyone that's not doing the same. But you don't see really wealthy people standing around with their eyes glued to some $device. That's because they can just get in their private jet and go talk to their friends, or vice versa. They can afford the time to do so because they have people that do their lawn, people that clean their houses, and people that make them money. Rich people would have the poorer people believe that time=money, but they know that time is waaay more valuable than money. If you spend your time making money, then they can spend their time living life.

    So what we have is not so much the need for a private club that keeps the 99% out, as it is a need for a free place for the 99% to go to stay out of the way of those in the 1%.

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  36. Trolling the rich by TeethWhitener · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's to stop you and 8,999 of your closest 4channers from pitching in a buck each, sharing the login creds, and wreaking havoc on the place?

    1. Re:Trolling the rich by Bradmont · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that it would give them credibility by immediately doubling their user base?

    2. Re:Trolling the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gamergate literally killed 4chan. There's a mass exodus of 4chan users taking place right now because some tublr user killed themselves after failing to raid /pol/ - who happened to be a neice of a gawker manager - who swore to kill the site - so they started a false flag operation with the gamergate thing (a feminist making a game that fucked a bunch of guys to stir up commotion then got in a moderator's pants to convince him to start banning everyone - moot's even been hanging out with that dongle chick for the past week). Now 4chan is just a bunch of people spamming cp - and all the other other chans are about at the same level (though their issue seems to be a different kind of poor moderation). Expect masses of 4chan users on /., leddit and elsewhere that people can socialize because about 80% of the /v/ and /pol/ and /b/ userbase swore off 4chan (though time will tell if that sticks or not - I'd give it a month or two to know for sure).

    3. Re:Trolling the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's to stop you and 8,999 of your closest 4channers from pitching in a buck each, sharing the login creds, and wreaking havoc on the place?

      Real name policy. Checkmate, plebs.

    4. Re:Trolling the rich by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Not their worry. They would just ban the 4chan account.

      The worry is TMZ buying in and lurking for years without disrupting.

      More basically this will never work. The rich didn't get rich by pissing money away on truly brain dead things. That's for their grand-kids to do.

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    5. Re:Trolling the rich by yarbo · · Score: 1

      The idea that the person collecting the money might prefer $9000 to a membership.

  37. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    It has certain connotations, though; I don't think I've ever heard someone describe, say, the Kardasians as affluent. Rich, yes. Affluent? No. People like this company's founder, people who work in classical music, those are the people you reserve hundred-dollar words like "affluent for".

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  38. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

    There was a lovely country club where I lived for a while. Out of curiosity I stopped by. It was only something like $5k/yr. I could have afforded it, but I didn't see any good reason to get a membership. They had a pool. I had a pool. They had a golf course. I don't play golf. They had tennis courts. I don't play tennis. They had their bar and sitting room. I have booze and a TV at home. They offered free wifi to members. I had Internet service at home. The buildings and grounds looked very nice. That only goes so far. "Ok, I'm sitting in a nice building."

    I can't see wasting money just to say I have money to waste.

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  39. Affluent AND Accomplished? by RoverWanderer · · Score: 2

    I think Mr. Touchi-Peters will discover that those willing to join such a site are much too dull to "talk about the finer things in life". "...an environment where people could share similar likes and experiences.Ã This dumbed-down language does not bode well. Thanks for the laugh!

  40. Dummy Accounts by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this does amount to anything, tabloids and paparazzi will find the fees to be a trivial investment. Just one lead will easily pay for itself.

    1. Re:Dummy Accounts by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      You have a point, but it depends on how strict they are with identity checks (which also goes for the 4chan prank idea above).

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  41. I don't see the point of this service. by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A big part of exclusivity is secrecy. The most exclusive establishments do not advertise. Their names are passed around hand to hand. The simple fact that we the unwashed masses know about this service means its ill suited for its purpose.

    Perhaps it might serve as an effective trap for the new rich... but the whole thing strikes me as more then a little absurd. Especially when you can find the royal families of a few countries on Facebook.

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  42. Yet another scam by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    Is just another type of scam. Seems like the Nigerian prince finally became too obvious.

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  43. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by theVarangian · · Score: 2

    Nope. But you can start your own version of Slashdot, and ask $9000 to join.

    He did that already, the only member so far is Larry Ellison.

  44. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Tom · · Score: 2

    I can't see wasting money just to say I have money to waste.

    Exactly. You're the kind of people they want to keep out. People who think that $5k is a waste. For their target audience, $5k is either not worth even thinking about, or a fair price to pay for making sure you spend your time only with people who fall into either of these categories.

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  45. sounds like an excellent place for insider trading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No peons allowed...

    Even get to take it off taxes as a "business expense".

  46. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by bickerdyke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People.

    The reason is people.

    They put their bar and siting room and tennis court in their leaflets, but you buy your membership because of who is sitting, drinking and playing there. And the information they have.

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  47. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too old to work. Too proud to beg. Too good to believe. The appeal to vanity of the middle class is it's success. Rich and poor alike claim to be something they are not. It's really a highly evolutionized coping mechanism.
      To answer your question directly, If you have both excess money, and the willingness to piss it away, You are middle class.

  48. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    It is a social gathering place/forum for men and their wives who have no familial responsibilities/chores.

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  49. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disposable after paying rent, bills and food perhaps. They could afford to do it, but in doing so would be unable to go out or save for a deposit on a house. I'd go further and say none of them would be willing to do that. Some might if there were 1 less zero, but there'd have to be a very good reason to join it. There isn't.

  50. Facebook? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 0

    Sounds like Facebook for rich people. Bitchbook?

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  51. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what we have is not so much the need for a private club that keeps the 99% out, as it is a need for a free place for the 99% to go to stay out of the way of those in the 1%.

    You mean their own sofa watching TV?

  52. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by dcw3 · · Score: 2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
    The range shown is $50-600k annual household income. I'd have to agree that most of them could afford it, not that they'd want to.

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  53. I can't wait to sign up. by onkelonkel · · Score: 2

    I can't wait to sign up. Finally a facebook for our sort of people. Do you think $9000 will be enough to keep the common riff raff out?

    My driver said the funniest thing yesterday....

     

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  54. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by sycodon · · Score: 1

    It would be better than the Beta version I bet.

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  55. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Just my $02, but I'd have to disagree. I've heard the term used many times for people who basically have cash to burn.

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  56. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by s.petry · · Score: 1

    In my ever so humble opinion, dog vomit is more appealing than Beta. I think the bar should be much higher..

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  57. Mark Twain had it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any club that want me as a member (or my 9k) isn't a club I want to be part of.

    Keep to the general rule, if a club doesn't think highly enough of me to waive fees, screw them. Plenty of other places to swing a club with a power broker.

  58. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    What's this "beta" I keep hearing about?

  59. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It must be a mail-order bulletin board. The annual fee could pay for manual labor to do data entry.

  60. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up.

    It's about rubbing elbows with people of influence. One good contact can easily be worth the cost of membership.

    That said, I've never been a member of one, and am too close to retirement to give a crap.

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  61. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    If to you affluent is a hundred-dollar word then you obviously aren't part of the bourgeoisie and are probably just part of the proletariat.

    Now that I am done with word fun I seem to frequently hear people describe others as affluent solely based off of their perceived net worth.

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  62. Which Orchestra? by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a prominent and well-known orchestra in Minnesota: the Minnesota Orchestra, renamed quite a few years back from the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra. The Minnesota Philharmonic Orchestra, which the Netropolitan founder was affiliated with, is something entirely different, being founded recently as a specifically GLBT-friendly orchestra. Just trying to avoid confusion.

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  63. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Netropolitan would appear to be the same thing, only without the pool, golf course, tennis courts, bar, sitting room, free wifi, buildings, or grounds. Or, for that matter, the booze and TV.

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  64. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Anybody capable of $6K down and $3K/year, I guess. At $250/month, it's less than paying off a new car. Lots of middle-class people spend more than this on hobbies. If this was attractive to me, I'd have no problem scraping the money up.

    Of course, what this would buy me is access to a social network populated by people dumb enough to pay $9K plus further annual fees to join a social network whose only attraction is being populated by such people, so no thanks.

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  65. Net Neutrality by techdolphin · · Score: 1

    We all may need to sign up for this. Once net neutrality goes away, it might be the only social network that has good service.

  66. High end scammers take note by maliqua · · Score: 1

    This site should save you huge amounts of time weeding out the low net worth targets

  67. Recent Announcements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the right-hand "Recent Announcements" section: http://netropolitan.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/James-Touchi-Peters-Activity-Streams-Netropolitan.png

    "Staff memebers, take note: People other than us are now here"
    "What Should Go on the Front Page"

    Classy.

  68. The NSA could really help us out here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) use spy powers to get a member list with home addresses
    2) feed this info to a fleet of drones
    3) exterminate all members to cull the retarded
    4) everyone wins

  69. April Fools!!! wait, what? by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 1

    I had to look at the date... It's not April 1st, why is this even here?
    This is really not /. news and I doubt most of us would be their target audience.

  70. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" not the criterion by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Frankly speaking, I'm mostly surprised that this doesn't already exist.

    It does. There's a Craiglist-type feature on Bloomberg trading info terminals. Yachts, rentals in the Hamptons, that sort of thing. You can message other people via the Bloomberg system if you see something you like.

    There's a paid social network for rich conservatives. This is independent, not a Bloomberg thing. It's only $5/month, which is apparently enough to keep the noise level down.

    There's a persistent rumor that there are special news sources for rich people. There are, but they're very narrow. There are lots of newsletters you can buy for $50 to $1000 a month that provide detailed coverage of obscure business subjects. If you really need to know what's going on with bulk carrier leasing, oil drilling equipment activity, or wafer fab capacity shortages, there's a newsletter for that. Offshore Alert, which covers offshore scams, is one of the more readable ones, and you can see the first few lines of each story for free. There are expensive newsletters devoted to security and terrorism, which give the illusion of inside information, but they tend to be marketing tools aimed at rich paranoids.

    If you want to know what's going on in the world, read The Economist. After you've been reading it for a year, you'll have a good understanding of how the world works.

  71. With a name like Touchi-Peters, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you NOT trust him with your privacy :3

    1. Re: With a name like Touchi-Peters, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My non-no area disagrees.

  72. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thought...this is stupid and will never work.

    My second thought...You know, if they gave away, say 1000 or so accounts to various high-profile richies (actors/athletes/politicians) and actually pay some of them to engage in "casual" social networking conversations with less famous richies, it might actually kickstart the thing and get a few idiots to join.

  73. I wish I'd thought of this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a fairly brilliant get-rich-quick scheme.

  74. 9000 dollars or 200 buck to a local nerd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd just pay a hacker 200 to hack them and give me a permeant login.

  75. Just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that there is a sucker born every minute. Never underestimate how much money you can make off dumbshits and their egos.

  76. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

    I'm gonna go build my own slashdot, with blackjack and hookers!

    ... I think the bar should be much higher..

    Wait... old slashdot, blackjack, hookers, AND a bar designed for tall people? Shut up and take my money.

    Okay.

    On a more serious note, I'm one of many that would be willing to a pay a small amount for an ad-free Facebook experience. Remove the ads and the buzzfeeds, the link-spam, and remove everything with more than 10 'shares' or reposts. Show me only my actual friend updates and comments and photos. In fact, that was in the news last year. Social Fixer is good for a workaround, but the company could make people the customer instead of the product if they wanted.

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  77. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet you also wonder why people always call you a troll when you're clearly a human.

  78. Rich people on a plane... by drkim · · Score: 1

    I guess the Netropolitan folks didn't actually know any rich people, so the image of rich folks on their site is a stock photo called:
    "Businessman showing project on digital tablet with colleagues in private jet"

    http://www.shutterstock.com/pi...

  79. Re:Blatant slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going out on a limb here BUT I'm guessing he's looking for a web forum with fewer douches like you. It's just a guess. I could be wrong (I'm not).

  80. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" not the criterion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better still, read Chomsky. Fact upon unavoidable fact.

  81. $9000 by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Ok. I'll charge $900,000 to join my exclusive site for affluent

  82. Re:Just make it classic, not-beta and you get more by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    I use classic-- beta's kerning is horrible. But, honestly, beta's easy to turn off-- rather close to permanently,

  83. Exclusive for Muslims by NewYork · · Score: 1

    http://www.madinah.com/

  84. Re:"Affluent and accomplished" is not the criterio by IHateEverybody · · Score: 1

    In fact this sounds a lot like the Harvard grads only dating site the Winklevoss twins claimed that Mark Zuckerberg stole from them and and turned into Facebook. I wouldn't be surprised if this website also fails and turns into a footnote in some other tech billionaire's life story.

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  85. Goog idea, maybe someone else will get it right. by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

    1) Netropolitan is a pathetically bad name for this service. 2) The website is amateur hour. A few will sign up and then membership will stall out. This will be a flop. Gold digger's rejoice, half the price of your last boob job will get you access to a population guaranteed to be lonely social climber's that have more money than sense.