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Putin To Discuss Plans For Disconnecting Russia From the Internet

New submitter GlowingCat writes: Russian President Vladimir Putin and several high-ranking officials will discuss the security of the Russian segment of the Internet at the meeting of the Russian Security Council next week. According to various reports, the officials will make a number of decisions about regulating the use of the Internet in Russia. This includes the ability to cut off the Russian Internet, known as Runet, from the outside world, in case of emergency.

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  1. Dibs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I call dibs on their IP blocks!

  2. PLEASE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please disconnect .RU from the internet. Spam and hacking down %25 in one whack

    1. Re:PLEASE! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I second this motion! My websites had 200,000+ attacks in the past year. Most were brute force effort to guess the passwords for the admin accounts. I spent a week going through the log files, removing extra and/or suspicious files, renaming the default admin accounts, using stronger passwords, and setting up special .htaccess files. PITA!

    2. Re:PLEASE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, in my experience, it's pretty much far too high.

      ~80% of brute force attacks against SSH and curious attempts at hitting my Postfix servers come from China.

      Russia's somewhere in the other 20%, of course, but not really standing clear above the US (fuck you, AWS), Georgia (the country, not the state), India, and various eastern European nations.

    3. Re:PLEASE! by mlts · · Score: 2

      I'm around the same. The attacks come from where there are unsecured IPs, not where the bad guys live. For a while, IP ranges which consisted of DSL or cable modem clients were on the top of the attack source list. On average, nations coming up to speed tend to have average people who are not up to speed on security. This is why in China, malware from pirated app stores is a major problem while it is relatively rare in the US and Western Europe.

      Of course, it can't hurt to block by IP ranges in the first place (and do the blocks on multiple layers [1] on public facing boxes like Web servers), just to narrow the scope of what is hitting the machine.

      [1]: The firewall, the application, and the OS. That way, if something glitched and the firewall got opened to the world, the servers will still be protected by their own innate IP stack filters.

    4. Re:PLEASE! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I wasn't aware that I had a problem until my Joomla and Wordpress websites became unstable several months ago. The webhosting company claimed that the problem wasn't on their end. So I had to investigate what was going on. Low and behold, I found log files with all the failed login attempts. The various security hardening guides recommended changing the name of the default admin accounts and using strong passwords. That alone reduced the number of attacks by half since the hackers will have to guess both the admin account name and the password.

    5. Re:PLEASE! by qpqp · · Score: 2

      I wasn't aware that I had a problem until my Joomla and Wordpress websites became unstable several months ago.

      What? You were not aware that Joomla and Wordpress are being cracked wide open on a regular basis?
      It's almost the same as:

      U: "Hi, I am running windows."
      A: "And?"
      U: "I have a problem..."
      A: "You already said that."

  3. Imagine how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... every multiplayer game experience would improve overnight if they did this.
    Captcha: Repress

  4. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Internet disconnects YOU!

  5. Please go ahead and di it Mr. Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He would be doing the world a favor by removing a very large number of hackers, phishers and virus kiddies from the net.

    Please cut them off as soon as possible!!

    1. Re:Please go ahead and di it Mr. Putin by fisted · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This being modded +5 Insightful is truly pathetic.

  6. OH NOES! by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 5, Funny

    But...how could we cope without all the botnet controllers, spam gateways, compromised .ru servers, and all the other wonderful users coming out of Russia? I agree that this could be very interesting if he did this; we could see the real impact of Russia's criminal internet community. The net might work better for awhile without .ru

    1. Re:OH NOES! by LifesABeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would the Russian Mafia take this loss of income personally?

  7. oh noes by watcher-rv4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No more car crash videos =/

    1. Re:oh noes by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

      haha yeah, that's the one thing we'll miss if Russia goes offline.

  8. The US already had this power for a long time by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Informative

    They control all of the root traffic across the internet so they could not only shut down the entire internet but close off the US portion of the internet anytime they wanted. In fact, I believe there was a similar story about Obama wanting to be sure that he could "shutdown" the internet in an emergency.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    1. Re:The US already had this power for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_name_server

      Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

    2. Re:The US already had this power for a long time by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

      Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

      The still control the majority of the routing. They can cripple the internet any time they want and they can get their loyal partners in europe to follow suit.

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      Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    3. Re:The US already had this power for a long time by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

      Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

      The still control the majority of the routing. They can cripple the internet any time they want and they can get their loyal partners in europe to follow suit.

      This is the kind of control that exists by consensus though.

      The reason that half of Europe and Asia go along with the US, is that at some level most US policies around things like the Internet tend to make sense. I don't care for the intrusive surveillance, but when you look at it at a national level the US comes along, installs a bunch of gear, and likely shares all the data obtained from it with the country that gave them access (I doubt they give them access to everything internationally, but I wouldn't be surprised if a small country could get more data on what is on their own networks by collaborating with the US than trying to do it themselves, and for the most part their interests are aligned with the US on the sort of stuff they'd be looking for anyway).

      The US can't just arbitrarily enact some kind of lasting blockade on the internet, because they wouldn't have the support on the ground to do that.

      Now, the US could exercise control over data travelling through undersea cables that cross its territories, and when it comes to the Pacific I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of those (as a result of WWII). Land routes from Europe to Asia, however, are probably fairly free from US direct control.

  9. boondock saints... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    as soon as i heard this I thought of that geenie joke from the boondock saints...
    ...IT guy goes, "You mean to tell me Russia is off the Internet?"
        Genie goes, "Yeah."
        He says, "Well, um, I'll have a Coke, then."

  10. Re:"Emergency" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    US Communications Act of 1934
    “Upon proclamation by the President that there exists war or a threat of war, or a state of public peril or disaster or other national emergency, or in order to preserve the neutrality of the United States, the President, if he deems it necessary in the interest of national security or defense, may suspend or amend, for such time as he may see fit, the rules and regulations applicable to any or all stations or devices capable of emitting electromagnetic radiations within the jurisdiction of the United States”

    Then, of course, there is Standard Operating Procedure 303

  11. In case of emergency by anmre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In case of emergency

    Emergency for Putin or Russian citizens? I can't think of any possible scenario which can be called an emergency where I personally would benefit from having _less_ information.

    I'm disgusted that people like Putin are actually of the same species as myself.

    1. Re:In case of emergency by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you think of a scenario which can be called an emergency where you would benefit from protection from malicious misinformation?

      Think hard.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    2. Re:In case of emergency by neoritter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In case of war. Cut access to the internet and cyber attacks from enemy nations becomes harder.

    3. Re:In case of emergency by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you think of a scenario which can be called an emergency where you would benefit from protection from malicious misinformation?

      Think hard.

      No.

      I can think of situations where providing accurate information from a more trusted source would protect me from "misinformation," but I can't think of any emergency or security situation where I would benefit from being cut off from [alleged] misinformation.

      Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they didn't think "hard" enough. I always wonder though, what sort of people think that thinking is like lifting weights, where you can do it "harder." I mean, an intelligent person just thinks. It just happens. Trying to think "harder" means being distracted by some goal, and that doesn't improve the thinking process. If I think about the most difficult chess tournaments I competed in, my best wins against stronger opponents, I wasn't thinking "harder." I was thinking more easily.

  12. Re:Dota by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    A Russian Internet disconnection would seriously alter the power balance/politics in EVE Online too...

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  13. Go ahead, turn it off! See if I care! by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    While I'd love to imagine the hilarity that would ensue if Russia were to attempt to completely disconnect the internet in order to run their own entirely isolated private one, I doubt this is in reality what would happen. Even if they managed to keep most or all of their population from getting traffic from international social/news networks in, I have the sneaking suspicion that somehow the SPAM would still find its way out.

  14. Re:In Soviet times by biptoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who would want to do Cosplay of a French Impressionist artist?

  15. Cut Russia off in an 'Emergency' by quietwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looking out there at other countries use of this sort of power, the only thing it's ever been used for is to crush political opposition including peaceful protests, and to hide government abuse at the time it's happening.

  16. Re:Sure why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you're confusing VPN (virtual private network) with VMN (virtual magical network). The difference is one requires a connection to the internet outside russia to work, the other is magic.

  17. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    it's your retarted, idiot.

  18. eternal June by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From chernenko@kremvax.UUCP Sun Apr 1 15:02:52 1984
    Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC840302); site mcvax.UUCP
    Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 4/1/84 (SU840401); site kremvax.UUCP
    Path: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
    From: chernenko@kremvax.UUCP
    Newsgroups: net.general,eunet.general,net.politics,eunet.politics
    Subject: USSR on Usenet
    Message-ID:
    Date: Sun, 1-Apr-84 15:02:52 GMT
    Article-I.D.: kremvax.0001
    Posted: Sun Apr 1 15:02:52 1984
    Date-Received: Mon, 1-Apr-84 12:26:02 GMT
    Organization: MIIA, Moscow
    Lines: 41



    Well, today, 840401, this is at last the Socialist Union of Soviet Republics joining the Usenet network and saying hallo to everybody.

    One reason for us to join this network has been to have a means of having an open discussion forum with the American and European people and making clear to them our strong efforts towards attaining peaceful coexistence between the people of the Soviet Union and those of the United States and Europe.

    We have been informed that on this network many people have given strong anti-Russian opinions, but we believe they have been misguided by their leaders, especially the American administration, who is seeking for war and domination of the world. By well informing those people from our side we hope to have a possibility to make clear to them our intentions and ideas.

    Some of those in the Western world, who believe in the truth of what we say have made possible our entry on this network; to them we are very grateful. We hereby invite you to freely give your comments and opinions.

    Here are the data for our backbone site:

    Name: moskvax
    Organization: Moscow Institute for International Affairs
    Contact: K. Chernenko
    Phone: +7 095 840401
    Postal-Address: Moscow, Soviet Union
    Electronic-Address: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
    News: mcvax kremvax kgbvax
    Mail: mcvax kremvax kgbvax

    And now, let's open a flask of Vodka and have a drink on our entry on this network. So:

    NA ZDAROVJE!

    -- K. Chernenko, Moscow, USSR
    ...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko

    1. Re:eternal June by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

      Remember, McCain has clearly stated that he knows how to recognize a moderate Syrian rebel from a terrorist, even though he can't distinguish a crazy person from a reasonable vice presidential choice.

  19. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "devices capable of emitting electromagnetic radiations"

    Does this mean they'll confiscate the alternator on my car? And what about my brain?!

    No, it means they "can" not that they 'will".

    They're unlikely to expend the effort only capable of broadcasting gibberish or noise so both your alternator and brain are probably safe.

  20. Re:Yikes by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nope, it most certainly is not.
    All I can see here is the Soviet Union rising again. I grew up around the fringes (outside) and somehow it seems worse this time around.
    Want a laugh? The Scottish Referendum and the Soviet observers are mouthing off that the whole affair was not "free and fair", that it had been manipulated.

    This Vlad is sick of this garbage. Oh, and I was in the Ukraine a couple of months back. They have a right-wing lunatic fringe running at around 5% but most of them do not deserve this crud.

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    Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect.
  21. What could possibly go wrong by gnu-sucks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People forget how much we depend on the internet for basic things. (Writing from a USA perspective).

    Without the internet, suddenly all the Cisco phones can't check in daily. The windows computers freeze up during windows update (imagine if he flips the switch *during* an update), cash registers can't authenticate credit cards, most iPhone apps fail (maps!)...

    Is Russia as internet-dependent as we are?

  22. What would we lose if... by kylemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... we just disconnected Russia from the Internet right now?

  23. Re:"Emergency" by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not if it is incandescent.

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    Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
  24. Just like Texas by ka9dgx · · Score: 2

    The Republic of Texas has its own power grid. I've heard rumors in the distance past that they have the ability to isolate their phone lines. I see no reason to doubt that they kept up with the times when it comes to the Internet.

    Of course... it's just a rumor.

  25. Re:Dota by aralin · · Score: 2

    Not to mention that most of the EU Warcraft servers won't be able to put together a decent raid guild anymore.

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    If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
  26. Re:"Emergency" by obreiro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. All countries have regulations and laws in order to control cirtually EVERYTHING during a war. From a curfew to kill people or modify laws.
    Russia would not be different. This is not news

  27. Modpoints by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    Where are modpoints when you need them. This is an historic posting that needs at least 5 positive.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:Modpoints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The historical posting from April 1 and a phone number to match the date? It's entertaining at least.

  28. Re: by Mr.CRC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In what country?

    In my country, that bastion of freedom known as the USA, they simply take your fucking money and your property whenever they want, just by saying you got it from drugs. It doesn't matter if it's illegal, or contrary to the 5th amendment, because that's just a stupid old piece of paper. And besides, they get to decide what words mean.

  29. Re: by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and often when the police's case falls apart and ends in a non-conviction they keep your stuff anyway. "Civil forfeiture" should be considered unconstitutional...if we moved back in time to the Colonial days this is the EXACT same thing the British were doing that lead to the War of Independence. Illegal seizures, no viable recourse, stealing property without rule of law or real proof of wrong-doing...when a DA does "civil forfeiture" they are considering the "property" itself guilty, as if your house or car has a intelligent consciousness that knows the difference between right and wrong and could have chosen not to be involved somehow. It costs at least $10K to take it to court, so the cops know if they take less than that it's not worth it. And since your property is being charged (not you) then it's considered "guilty until proven innocent", you have to pay for the lawyer, and you have to meet a higher standard of proving absolutely no drugs were ever involved (even before you owned it)

    PBS article