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Mark Zuckerberg Throws Pal Joe Green Under the Tech Immigration Bus
theodp (442580) writes "A month after he argued that Executive Action by President Obama on tech immigration was needed lest his billionaire bosses at Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC have to hire 'just sort of OK' U.S. workers, Re/code reports that Joe Green — Zuckerberg's close friend and college roommate — has been pushed out of his role as President of FWD.us for failing to Git-R-Done on an issue critical to the tech community. "Today, we wanted to share an important change with you," begins 'Leadership Change', the announcement from the FWD.us Board that Todd Schulte is the new Green. So what sold FWD.us on Schulte? "His [Schulte's] prior experience as Chief-of-Staff at Priorities USA, the Super PAC supporting President Obama's re-election," assured Zuckerberg in a letter to FWD.us contributors, "will ensure FWD.us continues its momentum for reform." Facebook, reported the Washington Post in 2013, became legally "dependent" on H-1B visas and subject to stricter regulations shortly before Zuckerberg launched FWD.us with Green at the helm."
There couldn't be a wrose personality to be in power than Zuckerberg.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I hereby award you Most Unreadable News Snippet Award. Bravo.
But, how is this possible? I thought Obama banned his team from becoming lobbyists after they left him???
I guess that rule doesn't apply to everyone. Good thing we have the most transparent administration ever and these lobbying efforts won't influence anyone...
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
What this boils down to is we've got a company propped up on nothing more than hot air and advertising that has to lowball the market in order to keep their ill-gotten goods. Keep in mind Zuckerbergs billions came from people investing in his company, it didn't come from actual sales of a product. Of course the man is a scam artist.
1: To have Americans work on critical projects and not spill the beans to your competition, you need a NDA and non-compete agreement, both if which you pay American workers a premium for. With H1B's, you don't.
2: When you hire a college grad with a school loan, you're paying their them to be educated irregardless if you like it or not.
3: This is about wage arbitrage; whenever you sell products made in a slave wage state to a free state, you are in effect consuming the margin the labor pool in that free state would otherwise make to, and here's the key guys, put the cash in your pocket, you aren't doing a god damn thing for the world. There aren't more engineers, or better educated engineers, or better products, or better designed products, or better manufacturing and construction methodology. Do that enough and you destabilize the government like in Russia, and that one led to millions of deaths from the Russian Mob selling of arms, including nukes, to foreign countries.
4: What are you doing, Zuckerberg, to motivate Americans to work hard? Because at the end of the day, if you aren't sharing the profits and are just exploiting you, Americans will destroy your business. Mexicans do the same thing nowadays, and the Indians, well, they aren't much better.
Sort of OK? Fuck you Mark, you degenerate piece of shit!
Zuckerberg is also a traitor to the American tech worker.
Hey, Mark, MSFT just laid off 18,000 people; Cisco just laid off a bunch; MSFT just the other day closed its research center right down the street from you - filled with gifted coders and brilliance. Mark, there is a MOUND of studies showing NO shortage of STEM works in the US.
Some facts: The H-1B fiasco has cost Americans **$10TRILLION** dollars, since 1975. For anyone who wants to know the truth, read on.
One of the most respected technology pundits in Silicon Valley has this to say about the H1-B worker problem http://www.cringely.com/2012/1... Here's an attorney and his consultants teaching corporations how to manipulate foreign-worker immigration law to replace qualified American workers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
H1-B abuse if accompanied by other worker-visa abuse L-1 Visa (H1-B's are only the tip of the iceberg). There are more than 20 categories of foreign worker visas. http://economyincrisis.org/con...
Professor Norman Matloff's extremely well documented studies on this problem. http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/...
Federal offshoring of healthcare.gov website http://www.economicpopulist.or...
How H1-B visa abuse is hurting American tech workers http://www.motherjones.com/pol...
There is no stem worker crisis in America http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-wo...
Marc Zuckerberg and wealthy tech scions continue to perpetuate this trend http://programmersguild.org/do...
Yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs...
Also, little known is the tactic of creating many different kinds of sub-visa categories to "fool the system". There are almost TWENTY different kinds of work visas. The whole thing is a sham and a lie, designed to drag down wages and keep from having to re-train Americans. Never thought I would see this day!
Some of the information presented in the following links will shock most Americans, because American corporate leaders don't want us to know the truth, and they are paying off policy makers with contributions to keep the truth from us. Bill Gates, John Chambers, Mark Zuckerberg, Eric Schmidt, and many, many others - including the principals of the most prominent immigration law firms, who profit from this outrage, are lying through their teeth. There is NO shortage of STEM workers in the US!!
Last, Zuckerberg has all out lied since day 1 about guaranteeing privacy on Facebook - just outright lied. Facebook has become something that teens shun and will soon go the way of MSFT, run by another deceiver, Bill Gates, on the H1-B issue.
Its tragic that Mark et al are being forced to put up with just sort of OK US workers.
You know one step that Mark et al could take that would grease the skids on their immigration reforms?
Pay the geniuses they want to import what they're worth. See The Bottom of the Pay Scale: Wages for H-1B Computer Programmers.
In fact, Mark et al should either pay back salaries to all of the H-1b workers they've ever employed or Mark et al should be thrown in prison for fraudulent abuse of the H-1B guest worker provision.
Seastead this.
Drive down wages
In the specific case of Facebook, it is not about driving wages down. Facebook pays decent wages, even for Silicon Valley standards. It is about not increasing wages.
What Facebook et al need is a way to ensure that they'll be able to fill their positions without creating too much of a jobseekers market so they won't be forced to lure employees away from the competition. All those sign-on bonuses, recruiter fees and salary increases (usually roughly 10% if you jump ship) will add up quickly.
Truth of the matter is, in the SF Bay Area, it is hard to be unemployed if you're a properly skilled tech worker, citizen, green-card holder or otherwise. That doesn't mean I condone the way that the H1-B program often is being abused today. I've seen abuse, and we'll always see that. But this is only made possible due to the ridiculous limits on permanent resident visas vs the amount of H1-B visas, as I pointed out in this comment.:
There is disconnect between the amount of H1-B visas (which are not limited per country) and amount of greencards (which are limited per country). We all know which country I'm talking about: the folks from India, however you may feel about their presence, are hitting this the most: For each EB category (EB1, EB2, EB3 in general), there are 265 greencards available per month. That's a little over 9500 per year. On the other side is the number of H1-B (and L-1) visa that get allocated to workers chargeable to India. Just for H1-B, that number comes close to 170,000 just for FY2012 (source [uscis.gov]). Then there are the L1 visa holders, which are uncapped.
So, you end up having ~10k greencards, vs ~200k influx, just for India alone. This means that there is a huge waiting list for people with approved I-140s, but not eligible to file for AOS. What are you going to do with them? Sent them back? Politics chose to let them stay by renewing their H1-B every 1 to 3 years, even after the 6th year.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Fall Internship Opportunity: FWD.us Apprentice Program
Opportunity:
FWD.us is offering a part-time (15 hr/week) apprenticeship program for Fall 2014.
Compensation:
This is a paid internship. Apprentices will receive a stipend of $550/month
Internship perks include:
* Weekly meetings with FWD.us staff to discuss current political issues
* Face-to-face meetings with influential tech professionals
* Professional development coaching in leadership development, networking skills, pitch practice, policy analysis, and qualitative research methods
* Developing in-depth knowledge about the tech and policy space
He's throwing the entire pool of U.S. workers under the bus!! "...just OK..." ???
We should learn what we need to know about issues, before we decide what we need to feel about them.
To "Git-R-Done" is a really strange expression, never seen it and I don't lknow what the fuck it means. Did Joe Green failed to use git the repository software and be done?
More to the point, I didn't know what the FWD.us website was. Then, throwing people under buses is not nice.
Truth of the matter is, in the SF Bay Area, it is hard to be unemployed if you're a tech worker
FTFY.
I'm not even being facetious or trolling Slashdot for once.
If you're even remotely presentable and capable of basic human interaction, you cannot not have a job in the Bay area, even if you're completely freaking clueless.
We're a few glitzy and pointless trendy startups away from an 18th century press gang being formed, where random code monkeys won't be able to walk down the street for fear of being beaten over the head and dragged aboard corporate ships.
the disappointing thing about FWD.us is it focuses too much on increasing the quota of temporary (H-1B) visas, and almost no effort on streamlining the path from temporary to permanent. The reason isn't so difficult to see, temporary visas (6-years) are great for employers, not only do they bring in invaluable skills, but they also ensure those skills are tied to the company. They're not so great for either the temporary workers or other potential competitors in the labor market, because they are tied until the sponsoring employer *may at its discretion* apply for permanent residence status. Note in this case success is by no means assured, and may take up to two years. Personally I think the current H-1B quota is more than adequate if it were not used so heavily by a small number of companies, who account for the vast majority of applications. The most urgently needed reform is to not only streamline the permanent residence process, but to also give more agency to H-1B workers, to for instance self-petition for permanent residence status based on a number of factors. This will reduce the natural 'pull' to employers for temporary workers, and even the playing field between temporary and permanent residents.
If you're even remotely presentable and capable of basic human interaction, you cannot not have a job in the Bay area, even if you're completely freaking clueless.
Actually, I kind of have to agree with you here. Yesterday I had a friend over who worked in the same team as I did for a large vendor of telecommunications equipment. For years (at least 5), there was one guy who was completely and utterly useless, did not perform and could not even complete the most basic tasks by himself. I always thought he had some compromising images of his boss or something similar that prevented him from being fired.
:)
Turns out the guy was hired by a startup recently. I thought that would be unimaginable, but then I realized that I was mistaken. He is very well-spoken, has a nice personality and if you don't have to work with him, he is generally a good guy to have a beer with. It's just that he is useless as a tech worker IMHO. Oh, and if you read this: no offense
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Or a collection of fullstops, dashes and capitalised consonants?
Not so much. Critical to the _investor class_ maybe? But for anyone in tech this is the end of what's left of their careers. How are we suppose to compete which borderline indentured servitude?
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its funny how the bosses bitch and complain forr rare instance when the system they set up doesn't work in their favor
Who is Zuckerwit btw?
If you mean that there is no shortage of people with STEM credentials, you are absolutely right. But most of those people are the product of a dysfunctional US educational system. They have fancy degrees but not the skills the US needs. US industry doesn't want them. The fact that there is a worldwide shortage of qualified STEM graduates is easy to see, since many other nations basically just rubber stamp work visas for skilled workers.
And the idea that you can force American companies to hire American workers that don't meet their needs is ludicrous. What those companies are going to do is hire the workers they actually want overseas. And eventually, they are just going to leave the US altogether, by moving their headquarters abroad, by "inversions", or eventually by just getting acquired by overseas competitors.
I don't think you want that. The property of an H1-B worker that is most attractive to industry is the ability to throw them out of the country should they get uppity and start asking for raises.
Have gnu, will travel.
Let them. That's the real problem. These companies do not want to move overseas, probably couldn't sustain the model they have if they did so, but want to exploit the system by paying overseas wages with the advantages they get from being a US company. Let them go elsewhere, there are plenty who would take their place. Instead, they are taking ad money from companies selling in the US, or selling products to US citizens banking on the expendable income that is common here while hoping to lower their employees wages to that of nations where this expendable income isn't present. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Let them go, or let them pay what is expected in the nation they are selling to. I wish we would do the same with manufacturing.
I've reviewed several jobs recently and thought about moving to SF. Why didn't I? Because industry doesn't make it worth it. High rent, high hours, etc etc makes for a terrible life. Facebook wouldn't have any issue with hiring and retention if they made it worthwhile to work there.
They will gladly tell you that insurance rates have been going up for decades, and having to choose new doctors is something all grownups have to do on a regular basis.
It sounds like he was also recently employed, though, which is the easy case. Employers generally have absolutely no clue how to screen for competence, so go almost entirely on resume. If the person you're mentioning has 5 years of recent experience with "a large vendor of telecommunications equipment" and didn't leave because he was fired, he's got a nice resume, so won't have problems finding tech jobs.
The people who have trouble are those who have a big gap in their employment history. Even the people who are really good at what they do have trouble finding interviews, compared to the seat-warmer who has N years of experience at a big company.
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The summary gives me no clue what this article is about, because it is COMPLETELY FUCKING UNREADABLE. How is it that these people are getting hired for editor jobs, yet don't seem to have a rudimentary grasp of how to write readable summaries?
How about:
"Joe Green, head of the FWD.us Political Action Committee (PAC) has resigned, and will be replaced by Todd Schulte, according to an announcement from the PAC. Rumors suggest that Green was pushed out due to the organization's failure to produce results lobbying for tech immigration reform. The FWD.us PAC was founded by Mark Zuckerberg shortly after a Washington Post report described Facebook as having becom "legally dependent" on H-1B visas, which made the company subject to stricter regulations as a result."
Or, if you want ridiculous click-bait:
"Joe Green was Mark Zuckerberg's close friend and college roommate - and you won't believe what he's up to now!"
Or, if you want something sure to catch the eyes of the super smart Slashdot elite conspiracy theory team:
"Shady bazillionaire toady something something conspiracy something 99% other bazillionaire today, Obama hope change bus immigration bazinga!"
I submit that all THREE of these alternatives would make for better reading. Slashdot, I humbly await your job offer.
But if they have been here six years on H1-B why aren't they on a citizen track? Why didn't we give that job to somebody ON a citizen track like in the old days (pre-1990)
This is the opposite side of the same coin we're discussing with Illegal Mexicans that work 60-hours of shit jobs. We cannot do without either group if we tossed them out.. But their status PREVENTS the employment laws from correcting because both groups are "second class".
In the specific case of Facebook, it is not about driving wages down. Facebook pays decent wages, even for Silicon Valley standards. It is about not increasing wages.
If it's not (in any way) about wages, then there would be no problem for Congress to repeal the 1965 Immigration Act in its entirety, cancel all the programs enabled by it, and (via the market) actively/aggressively solicit long-term unemployed US citizens in their place - as regular workers. There are more than enough of them to go around to be not only qualified, but very well qualified. Unfortunately, citizenship in the US makes people expensive, even for hard-working, by-the-book immigrants that want to come to the US.
Truth of the matter is, in the SF Bay Area, it is hard to be unemployed if you're a properly skilled tech worker, citizen, green-card holder or otherwise.
Truth of the matter is that "properly skilled" can be redefined to exclude otherwise-suitable US citizens too easily. In the eyes of an H1-b/L1/etc. supporter, "properly skilled" is equivalent to saying "has proper fear of an employer". If you were to go to the extreme end of business-friendliness (which spawned the H1-b preference), the ultimately qualified worker is a slave. They cost nothing and are the easiest to dispose.
That doesn't mean I condone the way that the H1-B program often is being abused today. I've seen abuse, and we'll always see that.
Then get rid of what enables the abuse - every single guest worker program. After that, strict enforcement of immigration laws already on the books - SB1070 and similar laws show that it works.
But this is only made possible due to the ridiculous limits on permanent resident visas vs the amount of H1-B visas, as I pointed out in this comment
The only proper limit for all guest worker programs is 0. If you want someone enough, they'll take up naturalization where they can't be corralled between sponsor employers. It might make them incur business-unfriendly "costs of freedom" (by being able to choose their employer), but the market also functions to raise prices.
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First - "Bay Area" means you could be working for any number of really good, or really bad, companies. At least a quarter of them, if named, would immediately bring ridicule. If you then specified website or something else, you would be divided into the stupid or potentially stupid category.
That said, meaning this a different thought based only slightly on that paragraph, many of those are companies where you can't just fire someone. Especially if they present themselves well.
Imagine the court case where you say this otherwise reasonable human being is completely useless where I work. Now, prove it.
I guess they were immigrating from Canada or Mexico.
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All this about making difficult to bring in h1b worker is useless. The whole point is to bring in someone that locally you can't find the talent. However, this core rule is often worked around. I remember a few years ago I over hear a slimy manager coaching my former manager about how to bring in a h1b they wanted. That a-hole told him that just tailor the job requirement around the h1b's resume. Evidently there is an equal candidate, but he is a local and they don't want to pay him at the local rate. So the slime told my manager as an example, given the h1b guy claim he has 5 years of c# experience, put that down as part of the job requirement even though we don't even use c# and would not have consider it w/o rewrite everything we have developed. However, given the local guy did not have C# experience, this gives justification. While at it, toss in SQL and other crap that the local guy's resume don't have. I decided right then to get the hell out and warned my friends within the group and outside the group not to join. Yes, they did hired the h1b and I left soon after. Most of people I warned also got out and in a way later I found out due to brain drain, it was decided that the group should move to a low cost geo. Oh the manager? Last time I saw him, he looked like crap and he is doing some sort of program management as an individual contributor. He couldn't understand why people don't want to work for him. The h1b guy hung around long enough to help the transition to the low cost geo. To be honest, I don't have any sympathy to the manager or the h1b guy who got caught in the middle.
Truth of the matter is, in the SF Bay Area, it is hard to be unemployed if you're a properly skilled tech worker, citizen, green-card holder or otherwise.
This is real humorous. One company offered a degreed Electrical Engineer $15 an hour in the SF Bay Area. I kid you not. (read the thread) This is not an isolated case, and I know of other examples. Why do people bother to get college degrees again??
This is what the H1B program has bought us folks. People with degrees working for slave wages that won't even enable them to pay back their student loans. In my book, that's going backwards. It's time to stop being fooled by the H1B folly.
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They will gladly tell you that insurance rates have been going up for decades, and having to choose new doctors is something all grownups have to do on a regular basis.
And in addition, if they've paid any attention, they will also tell him that the rates have increased both before and after the passage of the ACA because of government.
I dunno about *your* parents, but mine saw the same doctor for decades, until he retired. Because government made it more attractive for him to retire rather than to keep his practice open.
But hey, let's give government even more of people's hard-earned money and even more control over everything!
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This is real humorous. One company offered a degreed Electrical Engineer $15 an hour in the SF Bay Area. I kid you not. (read the thread) [reddit.com] This is not an isolated case, and I know of other examples. Why do people bother to get college degrees again??
Sounds about right for some of those questionable companies. You are missing something though, they now get to state that they couldn't get anyone to fill the position so they need to bring in an H1B worker.
I got a similarly bad offer once for a position very similar to what I currently am doing. It was in a higher cost area yet the pay they were offering was 1/3 what I am currently making. I laughed at the recruiter that made the offer who happened to actually think that was a good amount of money for the position until I told her I already make ~3x as much and live in a much nicer lower cost area.
Time to offend someone
Sounds like she could easily be replaced by an H1b worker.
Time to offend someone
Correct. Furthermore when you have gutted the demand side of the economy what emerges are phenomena like Walmart where lower consumer prices are achieved through a monopsony (the private sector form of the "single payer" holy grail socialized medicine seeks for the same reason) that not only pays its suppliers less, but also its employees less because as the jobs market contracts, there is nowhere else to work ultimately. Walmart also knows EXACTLY what it is doing when it trains its employees in the art of extracting government benefits from a decreasing government revenue stream.
All of this wouldn't be so bad if the tax base were on net assets rather than economic activity as at least then the companies engaging in corrupt hiring practices --such as I witnessed during the huge ramp up in H-1b circa 2000 when I was told I could hire all the programmers from India for HP but not the single US-citizen specialist in the field that I needed -- will be dumped because the companies doing them will be put out of business by a more level playing field in the free market.
Seastead this.
agreed. I love the idea of the pay, but the entitlement mentality of san fran really turned me off. When people started literally attacking a google employee who bought a home who, had the nerve to want to live in the home he payed for. that was enough for me, I would never want to live in a place where they treat success that way
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When I graduated college, I got something like that. I graduated with a BS in Computer Engineering from an ABET accredited college, near the top of my class. I had some projects and job experience on my resume and professor's recommendations out the ass. However, It was also during the recession, so jobs were a bit hard to come by.
I went to one of those recruiters / contractor agencies and was in no uncertain terms told that no company would hire me (not like I had a criminal record or tattoos or anything) and that all of my skills were not only not in demand but were about 50 years obsolete (I specialized in low level system programming in C++ and programming language design). When he saw that my minimum asking salary was $30,000 a year (research showed that in my area, near the center of a major North-Eastern tech hub, the average starting salary for a Programmer / EE was between $35,000 and $45,000 a year), he laughed for about 5 minutes and told me I was horribly unrealistic.
After I left, about 45 minutes later, I was called with a job offer scrubbing toilets at a Masonic retirement home for minimum wage. I promptly told him to to shove it but was told that, "that was about the best I was ever going to get."
About 6 months later, I finally found a job doing systems programming on microcontrollers and robots. So fuck those recruiters.
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I don't really agree with the whole "stealing jobs" thing, but some concern with these types of visas include
* Foreign workers are at the mercy of employers
Yes, even when they come here on a decent wage, employers often use the visa to push for unpaid OT, or to have them look the other way in the face of workplace violations
* Investing in workers
This is perhaps a bigger issue to me, and the issue itself goes beyond work visas etc. The relationship between companies and their employees is sour. Companies used to invest in their employees more, and in-turn they often got more loyalty. Except for some union situations, it's easier to get rid of employees and re-hire than to invest in training. If the foreign worker is more qualified that's as least something, but it would be nice if companies considered training existing employees or offering more education advancement opportunities. There's ignored value in keeping somebody around who knows the workings of a company, even if he/she is missing some of the technical merits for a position.
However, I don't fault foreign workers for taking better-paying jobs in better-paying environments.If somebody offered me a 50% raise to work in a tropical country I'd have a hard time passing that up.
What keeps someone at a job that might pay less than he could get for hopping?
1. Individual job satisfaction? (Yeah, laugh! That's a big part of the industry's problem! Proof: http://thedailywtf.com/ :-)
2. Co-workers, the company, the location
3. Benefits and incentives to remain
I guess as a Boomer, these might be old fart attitudes. But at least for many of the people I've worked with, they're significant considerations. Salary alone has rarely been the primary reason engineers change jobs. That's well-documented, here's one reference that tries to summarize the research: http://blogs.hbr.org/2013/04/d...
So, how many of the 6 Million odd people who live in the San Francisco Bay Area could actually compete with you for a job? And if they could, are there enough positions to go around? The first answer is that very few of the people who live here could compete with you because for lots of reason YOU are a member of an elite. The second answer is that there really are FEWER positions available than the lying sacks of shit who run many of the companies here want to admit. The positions are so specialized because there are far more people pestering the HR departments of their companies for those few positions, AND, they are taking advantage of the law to hire off-shore "talent" whether or not those people are creative or productive. The demand exceeds the supply and for some segments of the industry hiring an idiot who does what he is told is cheaper than wading through all the supply to find a better match.
Where this matters is that more and more you work in an ivory tower with the great unwashed baying at the gate and resenting you more and more because you say smug things like we hear here that belie the reality out there. I have been on both sides of the divide. I know what it is like to work on the inside and I know what it is like to be "out" like I am now. The reason I am out has to do with external factors that make me uncompetative, such as mounting physical disability. I was excluded during the dot.gone "recovery" which really wasn't. There is a big lie that Silicon Valley was like it was before 2004 or that it is pulling its weight, that it deserves to be revered any more as a job creator, even if it is a wealth creator; the number of people employed by the best capitalized companies is really quite small in number. I would like to see SV discouraged and the companies move away, like to Texas, as its impact on this area has turned largely negative. Only 1-percent'ers are benefiting and the rest of us are having to pay in higher property values and rents, and we pay more taxes because of the property pressures. I'd like to see many of the companies move out. The Party's Over!
We should encourage the investment that leads to Silicon Valley and its elites. Tax the crap out of the investment until it goes away, like go the hell to Texas, let them deal with the side effects. I applauded when Ellon Musk picked Nevada for Tesla's Battery Factory. We don't want the risk of pollution that would create and that means 6500 people who don't live in California. In fact, I'd like to see people leave California, and discouraging investment and job growth is one way to do that. So, encourage lots of people who don't have roots here to leave. Make it a deeper reason than just some flash-in-the-pan job to be here. We could, as a state, choose to be a no-growth, no investment, place, and that fact is that a 200 year drought might just be the ticket for that!
YOU are a member of an elite
No I'm not. I was forced out of San Jose because of the high housing prices. I'm not even going to try Palo Alto, Menlo Park or San Francisco. I'm way south of the Bay. Definitely not elite, even though I'd like to think of myself as someone skilled in network engineering.
you work in an ivory tower with the great unwashed baying at the gate
You could not be further from the truth. I encourage anyone, from the janitor to the security guards, to take an interest in computer science and network engineering. I remind them that I never took any classes that are relevant to my job. If I can do it, they can do it. So can everyone else who is interested. I got to where I am today because I threw Windows 95 from my PC and installed Linux. That led me down a path of systems administrator, network administrator to the JNCIE that I am today. My formal education did nothing whatsoever to get me here. Nothing 31337 about that.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
feel free to leave any time. Of course the places that would take a self-entitled deadbeat like you don't have any infrastructure for you to leach off of so I guess we'll just have to listen to you whine.
How many slaves do you have?
USA: We have no slaves. We abolished slavery in 1862.
China: We have no slaves. We abolished slavery in 1906.
India: We have 800 million slaves. We call them https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_caste
Zuckerberg: I've 1280 million slaves. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
Casteism
H1B was originally intended for extra-ordinary professionals like Albert Einstein and Linus Torvalds and NOT for http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?98021-Companies-ruined-or-almost-ruined-by-imported-Indian-labor-%28US%29
Casteism
Tell your regime to FIX https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony and H1B issue will be fixed automagically.
Casteism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony leads to abuse of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H1b
Casteism
You should try actually being a "guest worker" in another country sometime. Then maybe you'd see how completely full of crap you are.
That doesn't disprove the issues in the US. All that it does is show other guest worker programs, where similar contempt exists.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
So entitlement mentality (in this case, an arrogant disregard for the residents around you) is OK if you have a measure of success, but not if you don't?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
So, this makes me wonder if having Facebook on your resume would be a plus or a minus? I am serious about this question, you could argue that an (over) capitalized company like Facebook would have enough status so that even if you were a janitor there it would be a plus. The issue would be the company mission and its poor reputation for ethical practices. It would be arguable that someone with an interesting technical specialty might not have to face these issues, but in terms of experience, it might not be that compelling, especially if your work is close to the design of Facebook. It is like saying that you wrote the regular expression engine for Facebook's CMS. To me that is like saying that you wrote PhP for a porn site :-)