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Trouble In Branson-Land, As Would-Be Space Tourists Get Antsy Over Delays

schwit1 (797399) writes "Rumors are flying that some of the individuals who gave Virgin Galactic deposits for space tourism flights on SpaceShipTwo are demanding their money back. It appears that the most recent delay, revealed by Branson on David Letterman, is the cause." How much would you pay to go to space, if the ticket was only good starting 10 years from now? How about 20? How about, as Branson claims, if it was early next year?

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  1. They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems some are claiming they won't consider themselves astronauts if the flight doesn't go above a certain height. Given that they add nothing to the mission other than weight, I say they won't be astronauts no matter how high the flight goes...they are just...ballast.

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    1. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      *Bob, tied to the sailboat* "I'm a sailor! I sail!"

    2. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like the Mercury and Vostok guys, then?

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    3. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by MooseTick · · Score: 2

      According to Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+astronaut), an astronaut is "a person who is trained to travel in a spacecraft". It doesn't say you have to "add" to the mission.

    4. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      Webdefinitions are one of the things I hate on google: People think it is google, while in fact it is Wikipedia. Instead of proper attribution (naming the author, the license, and so on), they just add a link to the site, and call it "web definition". And people who don't read the link think the information comes from google.

    5. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like the Mercury and Vostok guys, then?

      "No, not spaceman. Specimin." - von Braun, in "The Right Stuff", speaking of the Mercury astronauts.

    6. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 2

      For space tourism flights to the International Space Station, they're regarded as spaceflight participants rather than 'proper' astronauts (or cosmonauts).

      Having seen quite how much training fully qualified astronauts and cosmonauts have to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if they become some vaguely protected terms in the not-so-far future...

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    7. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by kqs · · Score: 2

      Since the results of "define astronaut", "a person who is trained to travel in a spacecraft", don't appear in the wiikpedia page at all, you may be completely wrong. Otherwise, though, nice off-topic anti-google rant.

      While I see a big difference between crew, scientists, and paying passengers, once I put aside my incredible envy of anyone who can leave this small rock I've got to admit that they all deserve the term "astronaut". Wow!

    8. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      You're "weightless" in a parabolic arc, just like on on NASA's DC-9 "vomit comet", and you get more "zero g time" on the Vomit Comet than you will in Branson's carnival ride.
       
      Second, Branson is redefining "space". The generally accepted edge of space is 62.x miles. Virgin Galactic is having trouble meeting 60.0 miles and is looking at switching fuels at the last minute to meet that more limited 60.0 goal. If 2.x miles doesn't sound like much, Mt. Everest is 5.5 miles high. This is like getting a 68% and calling it a C grade average.
       
      Probably best to wait 10 years and hitch a ride on a Dragon v2 to a Bigelow inflatable Space Hotel for a night for a cool half-million.

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    9. Re:They're not astronauts, they're ballast. by Kjella · · Score: 2

      So if you're primarily a scientist there to do zero-g experiments on the ISS, are you still an astronaut? Why, because you're a professional - but not really in space flight? If we ever get to airplane-like conditions, is the steward(ess) an astronaut, is it like the crew? Or do you have to actually have a part in flying the spaceship, like is the cook on a big sailboat a sailor? Not that it really matters, but...

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  2. Any color as long as it's black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have to ask (for your money back) you can't afford it.

    1. Re:Any color as long as it's black by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Anyone who chose to waste $250,000 in this way doesn't have any principles.

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  3. Ready when its ready. by BeCre8iv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You would think prospective human cargo would appreciate this.

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    1. Re:Ready when its ready. by the+monolith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lets get the terminology right:
      Passengers are actually Self-Loading Cargo.
      Passengers are loaded into Cattle Class no matter how much they pay for their fodder.
      Passengers are treated like toothpaste - forced in at one end, squeezed out at the other end.
      Height is distance above ground (dirty brown stuff,)
      Altitude is distance above mean sea level (dirty wet stuff)
      Auto pilots were made so that Captain Speaking and First Officer Here (heroic chaps!) could check their stock options and give peace of mind to the Trolly Dolly - Cynthia Strapin, that for at least some portion of the flight the aircraft was actually under proper control.

      I for one salute the brave, bold, adventurous, noble souls that want to go to the edge of space and have a peek, but I would rather spend the time in a broken down elevator with late '60s muzak and a herd of incontinent goats.

  4. What a misleading summary by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Some" is actually "one". Who will demand his money back if they can't make the altitude requirement, not because of delays. Other than that, everything about the summary is accurate.

  5. the virgin galactic craft isn't even a spacecraft by The_Rook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    more to the point, the virgin galactic craft doesn't go anywhere. it has no destination other than downrange. so all branson is selling is a roller coaster ride. and an expensive one at that.

    the russians (and soon spacex) at least have a space station as a destination.

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  6. Re:the virgin galactic craft isn't even a spacecra by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A roller coaster ride to 100 km. They aren't selling a destination here, but rather an experience. So it's not a problem for them.

  7. Not Like Mercury by thrich81 · · Score: 2

    Don't know about Vostok, and don't want to look up the other Mercury missions, but on the second manned orbital Mercury flight, Mercury-Atlas 7, the astronaut on board manually controlled the reentry due to equipment malfunction in the spacecraft. "At the retrofire event, the pitch horizon scanner malfunctioned once more, forcing Carpenter to manually control his reentry, which caused him to overshoot the planned splashdown point by 250 mi (400 km). ("The malfunction of the pitch horizon scanner circuit [a component of the automatic control system] dictated that the pilot manually control the spacecraft attitudes during this event."[8])" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

    1. Re:Not Like Mercury by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Ironically, Carpenter was probably the archetypal "space tourist", snapping pictures of everything and completely ignoring the tour guides' instructions, to the extent of getting himself into trouble.

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  8. My thoughts by JasoninKS · · Score: 2

    First off, you're talking about a group of people that probably have more money than they know what to do with anyway. They're likely impatient and aren't accustomed to having to wait for anything.

    What they likely don't realize is that they paid for something that, essentially, didn't exist yet. Would you rather they rush and blow you up? Or wait a bit and have a relatively safe ride? (Yes, I say relatively...it is inherently risky after all) They jumped at the chance to be first so they could rub it in their friends' noses.

    Me? I'll never be able to afford it, unfortunately. But if I could, I'd wait until it had gone a few times. Let the bugs get worked out.

    1. Re:My thoughts by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Included are Katy Perry and Justin Bieber. I don't know about you, but I'm praying for a tragic technical malfunction on the maiden launch.

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  9. Re:Expectations by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    Real zero-g (not Vomit Comet or theme park rides) would be pretty damn cool

    How is vomit comet not 'real zero-g?' Or is your measure based on length of time?

    Because whether you're falling on the ISS or fallling on the Vomit Comet, you're still falling...

  10. Re:How much? by rossdee · · Score: 2

    "However, for a flight that *does* go to orbit and stays a few turns, and doesn't require a spacesuit"

    Its probably a good idea to be wearing a spacesuit in case something goes wrong. Theres a lot of junk in low orbit, and if your small craft hits something and starts leaking it could get very uncomfortable. In a bigger craft you would have more time to get your suit on if there was an accident.

  11. Re:the virgin galactic craft isn't even a spacecra by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    You need training and evaluation to go to the ISS though, if only to make sure you don't go nuts and push all the buttons. What Virgin offers is more like a normal flight, where the damage you can do is fairly minimal and the only training needed is an annoying video.

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