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Microsoft On US Immigration: It's Our Way Or the Canadian Highway

theodp writes Even as it cuts about 14% of its workforce, Microsoft is complaining that the company might be denied some of the "roughly" 1,000 H-1B visas for foreign workers it intends to seek, and made it clear that the company could shift some work to Canada or overseas if it can't get talent on its terms. "If I need to move 400 people to Canada or Northern Ireland or Hyderabad or Shanghai, we can do that," said William Kamela, a senior federal policy lead at Microsoft, who later explained that about 60% of Microsoft's workforce is in the U.S., yet it makes 68% of its profits overseas (where it also stashes its cash out of IRS reach). Kamela made the statements on a panel at a two-day conference on high-skilled immigration policy, where he sat next to Felicia Escobar, special assistant to President Barack Obama on immigration. The day before the conference, Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC — which counts Bill Gates as a Founder and Steve Ballmer and Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith as Major Contributors — posted its "MythBusters" video on H-1B visas.

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  1. Fine! by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let them move jobs overseas. In retaliation, we the people should demand that the government ditch all Microsoft products and go open source!

    1. Re:Fine! by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      its a problem with ANY group or individual that want to decide what's "best for you."

      what's best for you never seems to be very good for them.

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    2. Re:Fine! by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Robber barons usually do try to leave a legacy that doesn't make them look like horrific monsters, but that doesn't change the fact that they are robber barons.

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    3. Re:Fine! by CaptSlaq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Implying that "doing good" and "making money" are mutually exclusive... I believe this to be a false assumption.

    4. Re:Fine! by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Standing alone sure, but the comment was not standing on its own. The comment was about Bill Gates who is a known liar (See the US vs. Microsoft Antitrust cases for easy to validate examples) and made his fortune on thievery, manipulation, and lies. Ignoring known immoral behavior in determining someone's "character" would be asinine correct?

      To further believe that an obvious narcissist would do anything for purely altruistic purposes is also asinine correct?

      So the statement that was made does not equate to your gross oversimplification. The statement made was that roughly that "Bill Gates is not altruistic and/or of high moral character".

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  2. Muck funny in politics and muck Ficrosoft. by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only reason politicians pretend to listen to arguments like Microsoft is making is the money passing under the table. The only reason Microsoft needs to argue this point at all is to present the pretense that politicians are uninformed, as opposed to corrupt.

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    1. Re:Muck funny in politics and muck Ficrosoft. by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only reason Microsoft needs to argue this point at all is to present the pretense that politicians are uninformed, as opposed to corrupt.

      I disagree. There's no reason politicians can't be both.

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  3. Cake and eat it too by sinij · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Corporations want infrastructure, rule of the law, and educated workforce that comes with doing business in US while paying third-world wages and hiding income in tax shelters. You can't have it both ways.

    I also highly doubt that Canada, for example, going to look any more favorable on work visas. If they move to Canada, they will have to hire Canadians (or people eligible for NAFTA visas). That won't be 25K/year PhDs from India.

  4. We just laid off a ton of people by gcnaddict · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so please let us hire more overseas. Please?

    Pretty Please?

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  5. Geographic matching by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who later explained that about 60% of Microsoft's workforce is in the U.S., yet it makes 68% of its profits overseas

    Which is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to software. There is no need at all in software to match development costs to geographic locations. It's one of the beautiful things about being in that industry. That's why you can have a development team in India for a product that isn't even sold there and it still makes sense. It's not a tangible good you export.

    Now if they cannot get the right talent for the right price domestically then sure they might have to look elsewhere but frankly I doubt that is really the core problem for Microsoft. If they are having trouble getting good talent I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that people are well aware they have a pretty toxic corporate culture where everyone has to have their knives out at all times and so much of the best talent decides to work elsewhere. Microsoft is just not an attractive place to work compared with Apple or Google or some of the other top IT firms.

    It's also a little disingenuous to claim you need cheaper talent when you have net profit margins well above 20%. Microsoft's problems are not rooted in their cost structure but in their revenue streams. Their problems are that their key revenue streams (Windows and Office) are tied to tightly to the PC market and they haven't been able to translate them very well to the mobile market. They spent so many years trying to maximize their monopoly on the PC they they found it difficult to acknowledge that mobile devices have different requirements and to relax their grip so that they could grow. Microsoft saw the opportunity in mobile 10-15 years ago but kept trying to cram a PC into a mobile device with predictably bad results.

  6. Mythbust this! by PlanetX+00 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is all about keeping wages down: Microsoft cuts 2,100 jobs in its latest round of layoffs (http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/18/microsoft-layoffs-round-2/) Intel to cut over 5,000 jobs (http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/17/technology/intel-jobs/) Cisco plans 6,000 layoffs in restructuring plan (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2014/08/13/cisco-plans-6-000-layoffs-in-restructuring-plan.html?page=all) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...