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Breakthrough In LED Construction Increases Efficiency By 57 Percent

Zothecula writes: With LEDs being the preferred long-lasting, low-energy method for replacing less efficient forms of lighting, their uptake has dramatically increased over the past few years. However, despite their luminous outputs having increased steadily over that time, they still fall behind more conventional forms of lighting in terms of brightness. Researchers at Princeton University claim to have come up with a way to change all that by using nanotechnology to increase the output of organic LEDs by 57 percent.

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  1. You know what this means by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your equipment will now have 57% brighter indicator LEDs on the front to burn your retinas at night!

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    1. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Easily fixed with a piece of electrical tape - to hold your eyes shut.

    2. Re:You know what this means by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no kidding. I'm a part time sound engineer and DJ, and the "Power" indicator on my mixing board is an ungodly bright blue light. I usually end up setting something on top of it to keep it from blinding me in an otherwise-typically-low-light environment.

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    3. Re:You know what this means by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your equipment will now have 57% brighter indicator LEDs on the front

      LOL ... must ... not ... make ... joke ... about ... "equipment".

      Suddenly I'm thinking of the neon lights under cars, and wondering if this won't be the next big thing in body modification.

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    4. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the biggest change will be in LED displays and not LED indicators?

    5. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I predict a boom to electrical tape sales.

    6. Re:You know what this means by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I wish I could beleive that, but given the apparent competition among manufacturers to see who can provide the most blindingly-bright indicator lights on their gadgets I fear the worst.

      Then again, this is for OLEDs, not normal LEDs, so there's hope.

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    7. Re:You know what this means by Jim3535 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a company that makes lightdims, which are like tinting stickers that you can put over LEDs to dim them (block some of the light). They come in different strengths, even blackout.

      I use them on the computers and other electronics in my bedroom since the LEDs collectively put out so much light it's hard to sleep.

    8. Re:You know what this means by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Why the hell did the industry move away from using red LEDs for power indicators?

      It really is the best color for that. It's clearly visible, doesn't mess up dark adaptation, and red LEDs are the cheapest.

    9. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the "Power" indicator on my mixing board is an ungodly bright blue light.

      I don't know about ungodly. God did kind of ask for it with "Let there be light!". Maybe he should have been more specific.

    10. Re:You know what this means by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Low light environments you really need red LED's
      Sure Red LEDs are old. But for low lights your eyes don't adjust as much to red lights.

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    11. Re:You know what this means by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

      But blue is brighter. It should be important for you to know your devices are on!

      Seriously, I have a netgear router that has 1 blue led for every wifi antenna and they dance based on which one just picked up a packet. It took me two years of having it blocked with tape and paper towels before I discovered the thing had a feature to turn them off.

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    12. Re:You know what this means by peter.kingsbury · · Score: 2

      Reminds me of a scene I saw as a kid watching America's Funniest Home Videos, where Bob Saget "fixed" the omnipresent VCR clock which invariably flashes "12:00", by sticking a piece of masking tape over it.

    13. Re:You know what this means by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Blue LEDs are vile! Can't stand them on electronics or anywhere in fact. The brightness is way up, and is a major distraction from even a far distance. Hopefully the fad of using them will pass.

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    14. Re:You know what this means by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Simple fix: add a pot to the dropping resistor part of the circuit.

    15. Re:You know what this means by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why the hell did the industry move away from using red LEDs for power indicators?

      Because people wanted to be "trendy" and "futuristic" and thus started putting blue LEDs (which only came out two decades ago) in their equipment. Red was dull and boring (being done way back in the 60s) as was yellow. Green as we know it today (rather than a sickly yellow-puke-green) was a mid-90's invention. Blue LEDs came out in the mid-late 90s.

      So since they were so recent and popular, people stuck them on everything to show they were progressive.

    16. Re:You know what this means by chaosdivine69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is quite funny. Though refrained taping my eyes shut (and I'm not a vampire), I did just last night, go around my room and put pieces of black electrical tape over every LED light I could find sans the clock (which dims in the darkness thank goodness). It's amazing just how sensitive your eyes are to light pollution at night. Every power bar I have has a glowing light of some kind. One even has two. I have a wireless extender that has several LEDs on it. Then there's the TV, the TV cable box, a heater...everything got the electrical tape band aid treatment. I even put a black screen wipe over my cell phone in it's charger cradle that likes to let me know it's charged by beaming me in the face with green light. Tablets get charged with their cases closed and the laptop charger goes face down into the carpet. When I charge my electric shaver or toothbrush, they get turned upside down to shine their light into themselves. Made a HUGE difference to the point where I have to feel my way around if I shut off the lights too soon.

      I've had to get obsessive compulsive about this just so I can get a decent sleep...but it's worth it!

    17. Re:You know what this means by plover · · Score: 2

      the "Power" indicator on my mixing board is an ungodly bright blue light.

      I don't know about ungodly. God did kind of ask for it with "Let there be light!". Maybe he should have been more specific.

      God obviously did not create 440 nm blinding blue light. That had to be the work of the devil.

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    18. Re:You know what this means by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's amazing just how sensitive your eyes are to light pollution at night.

      Not exactly surprising - so are astronomical telescopes.

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    19. Re:You know what this means by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Isn't human vision system (including perception) self adjusting to different expected color temperatures at different light levels? I wouldn't be surprised if blue at night were murderous if our eyes are indeed compenssting by adjusting towards higher blue sensitivity near dawn or dusk when there's not much blue in the incident light.

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    20. Re:You know what this means by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      That's why when we put back lit keyboards in for the radiologists, we got red ones that are adjustable brightness.

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    21. Re:You know what this means by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Really what you're getting at is that red light doesn't destroy scotopic vision (ie night adapted vision) because the rod cells respond very little to red light. Notice I said respond very little, a bright enough red light will still have an impact. Using somewhat dim red light allows you to see things yet still retain your night vision. Even a brief moment of other light colors (ie white, blue, etc) will result in losing the night adapted vision which can take up to 30 minutes to fully recover.

    22. Re:You know what this means by plover · · Score: 1

      I hear you! Bedrooms should not be lit at night. Black tape and an Xacto knife works great for blocking indicator lights without being too ugly.

      But I've had a couple of weird issues with the electronics in our bedroom. Our garage door indicator has a bright green light to indicate the door is closed, and just taping the LED wasn't enough, as the case was semi translucent. I lined the inside of the case with aluminum duct tape to solve that problem. Fortunately, the red LED is a separate component, so it can visibly blink when the garage door is open. It's not something we ignore.

      The worst offender I've ever experienced, though, is my Harmony remote with its charging cradle. The remote itself is absolutely brilliant, and is a treat to use. But the charging cradle -- what a piece of shit. There is a large glowing blue ring in the bottom, and it illuminates the entire bedroom if the remote is not in its place. And the cradle itself is stupidly sculpted to match the remote, causing a different problem. Instead of a mechanically positive connection, the curved cradle supports the remote at precisely its center of gravity, allowing it to teeter, and every time it teeters it slips on and off the tiny charging contacts. Of course the remote helpfully signals every time it's made contact with the charging cradle by beeping loudly and backlighting the screen for a few seconds. Our little 15 pound dog scratching herself on the floor nearby will cause enough of a microtremor in the floor to get it to momentarily break contact. If anyone so much as walks near the bedroom, the remote beeps and the lights glow. I have to keep a hefty weight on the stupid remote so we can sleep.

      I think it's the contrast between the usability of the remote and the stupidity of the charging cradle that makes it all the more painfully awful.

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    23. Re: You know what this means by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Informative

      That might qualify for the only time I didn't find Bob Saget infuriatingly annoying.

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    24. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuji_Nakamura is the devil? :)

    25. Re:You know what this means by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wouldn't be surprised if blue at night were murderous if our eyes are indeed compenssting by adjusting towards higher blue sensitivity near dawn or dusk when there's not much blue in the incident light.

      If you came to that conclusion on your own, I'd congratulate you on (possibly) being extremely perceptive, but also surprised that you weren't aware that it's already been widely reported in the past few years that, yes, blue light is apparently very bad news from the point of view of being sleep-inhibiting:-

      Example story

      Blue light presumably being far more of an issue in recent years due to (a) the increase in use of electronics and (b) the blue LED fad. (*)

      I've seen an alarm clock with blue numbers- presumably because blue LEDs are cool!!!!!!11111- which struck me as an absolutely horrible idea. As did a ******* blue-coloured baby nightlight (because even baby deserves to be kept awake by fashionable blue LEDs. Sheesh.)

      (*) FWIW, the blue LED fad seems to have died down in the past couple of years, and white LEDs are the new hotness. Which is a good thing from an aesthetic point of view (**) but I suspect those white LEDs still contain a lot of blue. Especially the more bluish-white ones which may well just be blue ones with phosphor coating (as some "white" LEDs apparently are).

      (**) Nothing against blue LEDs as a concept, it's great that they were invented. What I hate is their gratuitous use- or rather, misuse- in consumer goods, both because they're overused and the novelty wore off long ago, but also because they're far more distracting in context than red ones ever were.

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    26. Re:You know what this means by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I bought a dishwasher and found it came with a free night light.

    27. Re:You know what this means by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think in Europe they're particularly picky about what kinds of indicators can be red.

      OK, fine. Green's good if the item in question isn't capable of going Terminator on you when powered up. I like yellow and orange and even white. Black LEDs are kind of hard to read though.

      Blue's OK in its place, but please, I DON'T need to see my bones projected on the wall behind me!

    28. Re:You know what this means by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      And the cradle itself is stupidly sculpted to match the remote, causing a different problem. Instead of a mechanically positive connection, the curved cradle supports the remote at precisely its center of gravity, allowing it to teeter, and every time it teeters it slips on and off the tiny charging contacts.

      It's time for more electrical tape, this time within the cradle, at the end opposite the contacts. This way the remote will be tipped toward the contacts instead of rocking back and forth. It may take more than one layer of tape to do this, and the aluminum tape you used on the garage door may be better still.

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    29. Re:You know what this means by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Another simple fix: Add a current limiter to the die.

      Well, it's simple if you're the LED manufacturer!

      I know it sounds strange, making devices that are deliberately set to under-perform. but we're plagued with too much of a good thing!

    30. Re:You know what this means by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Red, orange, and green are acceptable depending on the purpose to allow choice. If there's multistate you can have green for good, red for fault. Old laptops used to use green to mean powered on ( or charging), and red to mean low battery, or bad power supply voltage. Old desktops would be green for power, orange for turbo, and red for HDD. For for a simple pilot light red is the cheapest (and I agree the best). Thankfully all the blue LEDs have significantly faded over the past 7 years since I bought my laptop and turned it on (and left it on 24/7). Meanwhile the red LED on my 23 year old power bar is still going strong.

      Blue and white when not needed are such a pain. My company issued car cellphone charger has a big bright white LED. WTF? In a car when you're driving at night you want the minimal amount of light. I have to make sure it's rotated to face down. Put a small red or green pilot light if you must. I bought a three socket individually switched 12V power splitter for the car (since the ignition doesn't kill the socket). The switches mount right on the plug and have a tiny red pilot LED for each switch. Then the whole switch assembly is lit up with these bright blue always on LEDs. WTF? I still need to take it apart and disable the LEDs so there's no vampire power (or annoyance at night).

      Back in the day monitors would have a small green LED when powered up, and amber when in standby. My new monitor lights the whole button up bright blue. And don't get me started about TV's with white light up SONY logos (or the morons that buy them, and aren't bothered enough to figure out the menu to disable them.)

    31. Re:You know what this means by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I had a Sonata CPU case with a pair of blinding blue LEDs, and those buggers were annoying; but the little notification LED on a Samsung Galaxy S4 isn't bad.
      The thing that astounds me is that OLEDs and LEDs can be so much brighter still. I have to admit, 15 years ago, my thoughts and predictions about LEDs in general couldn't have been more wrong; I figured they were a dead end, and as good as they were going to get. Then LED TVs came out, and high output versions like those made by Cree, and it was all revolutionary. LED light bulbs are the next big thing.
      Now it sounds like all that was only the beginning? Cool.

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    32. Re:You know what this means by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Apparently, it's more important to know when they're of.

      My TV, my DVD player, and my Blu-Ray player all have an LED that lights up when the device is OFF, and goes dark when the device is ON.

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    33. Re:You know what this means by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
      Red-Yellow-Green is bad human factors practice because of red-green color blindness. For people of western European decent, about 1 in 10 males are red-green color blind. Other populations have different statistics. Only 1% of Eskimo males are color blind. Approximately 2.9% of boys from Saudi Arabia and 3.7% from India were found to have deficient color vision.

      Web designers almost never take this into account. For data display, red-yellow-green is common, as is the "spectrum" blue-cyan-green-yellow-red ramp. The spectrum is a very poor choice, because not only is it bad for color blind people, but it induces a color banding perception of the data that can obscure real data features.

      If you have a choice, don't use the spectrum or RYG for anything.

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    34. Re:You know what this means by Mars+Saxman · · Score: 2

      Not just some - all. White LEDs *are* blue LEDs with a phosphor coating; the amount of phosphor determines whether it is a "cool white" or "warm white" style LED.

      You can also make "white" light by running all three components of an RGB LED at max, but nobody does that because it is way more expensive in terms of dollars and in terms of lumens-per-watt.

    35. Re:You know what this means by Nethead · · Score: 2

      And the ladies will get "landing lights" down their legs. Just remember, no means no, and no touch and go allowed. Circle the strip until you get clearance, or find another field.

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    36. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In absolute darkness, your eyes will increase their sensitivity to light until they are single-photon counters. You can't see it because of your retina's preprocessing layer that requires multiple (3-4 for most, 2 for a very few) nearby hits at once as a noise-reduction measure. In extreme dark (Think taking a walk by the light of the galaxy overhead in a national forest. It was an awesome experience) you don't so much "see" as try to integrate the constant flashing pinpricks into a coherent mental model of what you're seeing. Your dynamic range basically gets thinner and thinner, until you can only see white things and blackness.

      I'm with you on the invention of high-brightness LEDs being a curse. Perhaps if someone went back in time and messily butchered the first person who thought "Hey, we should use one of these things with the [WARNING: DO NOT STARE INTO LED OR RETINAL DAMAGE MAY OCCUR] sticker as an indicator on our product" it would delay the plague for a few years. I opened my keyboard up and installed a resistor in parallel with the numlock LED (the only one I leave on) to keep it from illuminating my whole room at night. The capslock leaves trails in my eyes like the sun if I mistakenly look into it...

    37. Re:You know what this means by amxcoder · · Score: 1

      Don't take this the wrong way, but...

      What's with all the comments about not being able to sleep at night, are you guys sleeping in the same room as your pile of electronics or what? Granted, my bedroom has a few things that have LED's on them, like the TV Receiver, and clock, but reading through this thread, it sounds like everyone here sleeps in the same room with their whole home theater equipment, laptops, desktops, pile of cell phones/tablets, garage door openers, and microwaves! WTH? Do all of you live in a studio apartment with no separate bedroom?

      Granted, I'm not bothered by the LED's in my room when I sleep, I guess I'll consider myself lucky at this point. I stay awake long enough that when I'm ready for bed, I fall asleep regardless of what lights are on. Heck, because of my youngest child, we leave the hall light on (dimmed down low) so she's not scared to use the restroom at night if needed. That light comes in our room as well, but it just doesn't bother me that much. When I'm tired, I'm tired, and if I'm not, I stay up longer.

    38. Re:You know what this means by amxcoder · · Score: 1

      This is why the miltary (at least used to) use red lights inside vehicles when night operations were getting ready. The guys could see what they were doing and then when they exited the vehicle into the dark, their night vision wasn't totally messed up. Also, the old military style flashlights used to have a red-lense for them so you can use it to read maps at night without destroying your night vision.

      Anyone remember in the movie Predator, at the beginning when they are all in the helicopter, preparing for a night drop-off, they had a red light in the helo-- for this reason (well, and because in a movie, you want to see the actors and not just a totally darkened out screen, but...).

    39. Re:You know what this means by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I thought some were UV LEDs with a phosphor coating which gives better color spectrum but lower efficiency.

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    40. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you turn it on, it gets more black.

    41. Re:You know what this means by Zynder · · Score: 1

      You, sir/maam, owe me a new keyboard!!!!

    42. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do I know you don't know squat about modern electronics? HINT: Surface mount.

    43. Re:You know what this means by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Try sleeping without lights. It really helps to improve quality of sleep, you start noticing it in several weeks. Your eyes have photosensitive cells that affect the circadian rhythm and they work even when your eyes are closed.

    44. Re:You know what this means by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the tip.

      Just rebuilt my NAS in a different case, and while I have no qualms about covering the power LED with electrical tape and blocking it out completely, I'd like the hard disk LED to be visible but dimmer so I can still see it to monitor it for heavy disk activity, but not have it bright at night.

    45. Re:You know what this means by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      They use blue lasers as indicators now.

    46. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BMW backlights (or at least they used to - haven't been in one in a while) their dashboards with red lights for the same reason. This has been known for decades.

    47. Re:You know what this means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a sleep issue, but I work in a semi-darkened room, and all the bloody LEDs on the electronics (that in days gone by were typically red, which did not affect night vision nearly as much) are very bright (to the point it makes me think laser, ha!) . And a lot of them are a horrible blue. Awful. I taped over a lot of them.

    48. Re:You know what this means by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      And the cradle itself is stupidly sculpted to match the remote, causing a different problem.

      YES, this is confirmed to be of extraterrestrial origin.

      At the dawn of the 21st century our LSI chip and circuit board designs were very advanced but rectilinear in the traditional sense. Ergonomics was understood to be about proper posture and comfortable wrist action.

      Then a spaceship landed, probably in the Akihabara district of Tokyo. Traveling buyers and consumer electronics engineers were lured into tiny stalls with the promise of "see video with new product idea" where they were subjected to various experiments... and impregnated with alien spermatozoa which began (subtly at first) to reroute their neural nets.

      And the general shape of consumer products began to change. Corners were rounded, globular forms emerged and things had been stackable and rackable became rounded and contoured. Today you will typically see electronic engineers called into conference where they are shown a molded plastic prototype with pseudopods, eyelike globes, tripod feet and a long slender body with a bright blinking blue LED in the center. They are instructed to "build a product inside it." Vestigial body forms of our alien overlords. Now the term ergonomic design has been adapted to mean any shape that would confuse and terrify a consumer from the 60s and 70s.

      Things that are shaped like hands do not necessarily fit comfortably in the hand.

      I welcome the rise of 3D printing, so I may use it to print rectangular enclosures in which to re-mount these electronics. So I may stack them once again.

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    49. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Focus on the blue ones. Blue light interacets with serotonin/melatonin and can delay/prevent sleep.

      Hell, one of my external hard drives has a power light that is quite visible through duct tape.

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    50. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      He's not joking. The light sensors on your retina are kept in a feedback loop, and all it takes is a single photon interaction to nudge that loop and cause activation.

      Granted the photon has to hit the receptor - but many receptors are connected to a single... ganglion? Not sure what neural cell it is - but receptors are ganged so that a single photon interaction in any one of them is detected.

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    51. Re:You know what this means by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      There's probably a resistor there anyway. Power is probably 5V, possibly 12, 3.3 or anothe r value and LEDs are typically 2.2V so you need to drop that with a resistor. Make it a little bit bigger and the light is dimmer.

    52. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      What color LEDs are in your room?

      Blue LEDs are terrible. They are so prevalent because they look "futuristic" and they are cheaper to produce, from my understanding.

      Red LEDs would likely be the most innocuous.

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    53. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You don't even need those.

      Grab a sharpie or other permanent black marker. A few coats with this will dim the LED without blocking it - just keep adding coats until it's as dark as you like.

      Make sure you give it time for the coat to dry - just scribbling on it won't do - mark, wait a moment, mark, wait, repeat.

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    54. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1
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    55. Re:You know what this means by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Annoyingly, my astigmatism makes me see three of the damn things for every one - that wavelength seems to pass right through my glasses without any refraction.

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    56. Re:You know what this means by amxcoder · · Score: 1

      My TV Receiver (UVerse) has 3 LED's on it, one red, one blue, and one green/yellow. My alarm clock is green. However, most of those are nothing compared to the hall light cast in that we leave on for our youngest child. Plus my wife leaves on the TV to fall asleep to for background noise (set on sleep). So lots of different color lights, our bedroom is anything but dark when I go to sleep at night. Most nights I fall asleep within 15mins of my head hitting the pillow.

    57. Re:You know what this means by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Made a HUGE difference to the point where I have to feel my way around if I shut off the lights too soon."

      If you had that much light in the bedroom at night it's highly probable that it was interfering with melanin production when you were asleep.

      Bedrooms need to be DARK

    58. Re:You know what this means by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Why do you keep your Harmony remote charger in your bedroom? I understand if it's a dorm room or something like that, but I would simply move that crap to a different room.

    59. Re:You know what this means by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 1

      Was that blue nightlight canary shaped?

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    60. Re:You know what this means by schweini · · Score: 1

      Hence, installing and runninf F.Lux on your computer is a must!

    61. Re:You know what this means by Spugglefink · · Score: 1

      I've had to get obsessive compulsive about this just so I can get a decent sleep...but it's worth it!

      I laughed. If you think a few little LEDs are bad, you should try working night shift. Blackout curtains, aluminum foil over the windows, light tight gaskets under the doors; every tiny chink in the armor is another hateful beam of bright glowing light.

      I hate night shift. Three years of this crap; I need a new job.

    62. Re:You know what this means by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Not just some - all. White LEDs *are* blue LEDs with a phosphor coating; the amount of phosphor determines whether it is a "cool white" or "warm white" style LED.

      I thought some were UV LEDs with a phosphor coating which gives better color spectrum but lower efficiency.

      Yes, you are correct, the Wikipedia article on LEDs states that:-

      White LEDs can also be made by coating near-ultraviolet (NUV) LEDs with a mixture of high-efficiency europium-based phosphors that emit red and blue, plus copper and aluminium-doped zinc sulfide (ZnS:Cu, Al) that emits green. This is a method analogous to the way fluorescent lamps work. This method is less efficient than blue LEDs with YAG:Ce phosphor, as the Stokes shift is larger, so more energy is converted to heat, but yields light with better spectral characteristics, which render color better. Due to the higher radiative output of the ultraviolet LEDs than of the blue ones, both methods offer comparable brightness.

      I don't know how common this is though, compared to the blue-LED-based method that Mars Saxman describes.

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    63. Re:You know what this means by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Some areas have worse colourblindness rates than others.

      For no apparent reason the rate of male red-green colourblindness approaches 25% in New Zealand in an area running from East Cape to Poverty Bay. As a result, red traffic lights have a bit of blue added to help them out.

      In parallel with colourblindness there are also genetic abberations which knock out specific taste sensors.

      This can be species-wide - cats can't taste "sweet"

      About 25% of the human population have reduced sensitiivity to "bitter". A much smaller proportion can't taste it at all (I'm in that camp. It can be fun to play games with bitrex..)

    64. Re:You know what this means by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Thanks! Just ordered a set...

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    65. Re:You know what this means by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      The red light thing isn't neurological/perceptual at all. The pigments used by rod cells do not respond strongly to red light the way they do to other colors. It is the decomposition of those pigments that destroys your night vision.

      Your brain may very well self-adjust to color temperature as well, but that isn't the reason that blue light is so destructive.

    66. Re:You know what this means by kimvette · · Score: 1

      When OLEDs get a little cheaper you'll find that some stupid manufacturer will make the entire front of the device an ultra-bright blue OLED "off" indicator sheet.

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    67. Re:You know what this means by kimvette · · Score: 1

      > I had a Sonata CPU case with a pair of blinding blue LEDs

      I have that same case, and the light aimed directly at my face when trying to sleep! A dab of purple nail polish dimmed it right down. :-)

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    68. Re:You know what this means by sribe · · Score: 1

      Then there's the TV, the TV cable box, a heater...everything got the electrical tape band aid treatment. I even put a black screen wipe over my cell phone in it's charger cradle that likes to let me know it's charged by beaming me in the face with green light. Tablets get charged with their cases closed and the laptop charger goes face down into the carpet.

      NONE of that shit, with the sole exception of maybe the heater, belongs in the bedroom. Period. End of discussion.

    69. Re:You know what this means by plover · · Score: 1

      Why do you keep your Harmony remote charger in your bedroom? I understand if it's a dorm room or something like that, but I would simply move that crap to a different room.

      The TV is in the bedroom, and we obviously keep the remote in the room where we use it. The cradle is intended as a convenient place to keep it when not in use - it's not quite like a cord you trot out and plug in nightly. And when it loses charge, it takes a long time to charge it again before it's functional. Keeping it in the cradle ensures it's always ready for use. Anyway, we coped with it in our way, which is essentially no different than coping by keeping the cradle in a different room.

      My main point was not to complain about our specific problems or situation, but that their cradle was poorly designed in many ways (one of which was the overly bright LEDs). Also, valuable lessons were learned. I learned that if I'm buying electronics that will be used in the bedroom, I need to thoroughly check their nighttime luminance before buying them. And Logitech learned as well, because their Harmony 1100 has a very positive connecting charging stand, and it does not beep when cradled.

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  2. The diode itself is unchanged by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Informative

    All they've changed is how they contain it to limit the amount of light lose to absorption. I mean, to the user of LEDs the distinction is pretty irrelevant, but if you were wondering how you could improve on such a fundamental electrical component, that's how.

    1. Re: The diode itself is unchanged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's not just like they changed the plastic, there's some pretty fancy physics in the 'packaging'

    2. Re: The diode itself is unchanged by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yes. Absolutely useful. Absolutely great engineering. Didn't mean to be dismissive.

  3. OLEDs not generic LEDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just saying.

    The main barrier to large scale consumer and commercial adoption of LEDs is cost per unit.

    That said, good news!

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    1. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      I don't mind paying $20 for a light bulb I'll probably never have to replace again. I have some high hanging lights that require a step ladder and some OSHA violations to replace. I'll be happy to slap a LED in there next time they burn out, and probably never have to deal with it again.

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    2. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by afidel · · Score: 2

      I don't mind paying $20 for a light bulb I'll probably never have to replace again
      OLED's are nowhere near that, OLEDs are expensive to manufacture, and the most common current chemistry results in a blue half life of 15-20k hours, or 5-7 years at 8 hours per day. With traditional LEDs the bulb lifespan isn't dominated by the LEDs themselves, but rather by the heat sensitive electrolytic capacitor (this is why in the real world LED bulbs have no advantage over CFLs, they both fail due to capacitor failure).

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    3. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      Increased efficiency could actually help with cost, even if it makes the actual LEDs more expensive. First of all, improved efficiency would reduce the number of individual LEDs needed for a given amount of light, which would counteract some of the increased cost. Second, the LEDs are only a small part of the package, and improving their efficiency would make everything else easier. It would mean cheaper power electronics, which reduces cost. It would also mean less waste heat, which would mean a smaller heat sink, which is the single biggest thing in most LED lights.

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    4. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but in my personal experience, I have noted that traditional LEDs deal with vibration better than standard CFLs. However, have not read any papers on shock tests for either, or for organic LEDs.

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    5. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      Which is why when installing screw in LEDs or CFLs, I only put them in open, base down (or sideways if I must) fixtures. It's amazing how few ceiling fixtures there are that meet these criteria. With CFLs I've had very few premature failures, where the people that complain about them lasting less than an incandescent I assume put them in the worst applications possible (enclosed, base up, on a dimmer when not rated, short cycled).

      Ideal for LED is an entire replacement fixture, where thermal management can be integral. I like the Lithonia Versi Lite. It's attractive, dimmable (with a cheap $3 Leviton Trimatron dimmer), and cheap at $35 (if building new you need to buy a fixture anyways), the downside is I notice 120Hz flicker on them, so they are only really suited to hallways, closets, and utility rooms.

    6. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I don't mind paying $20 for a light bulb I'll probably never have to replace again.

      With CFLs we were promised 10 times the life of incandescents, some live up to that but many don't even from supposedly reputable brands. Fully enclosed fitings with the lampholder above the bulb seem to be particular death to CFLs.

      Yes in theory an LED bulb can last even longer than a CFL but i'd be very reluctant to pay such high bulb prices on a relatively unproven and easy to screw up (AIUI high power LEDS need careful cooling design and drive circuit failure is also an issue as it is with CFLs) tech.

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    7. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      This is my favorite non dimmable lightbulb.

      http://www.amazon.com/G7-Power...

      It goes in and out of availability tho.

      It's reasonably priced when available ($12).

      Did some searching and ....

      It looks like it's been replaced by this
      http://g7power.com/g7-power-tr...

      which is now dimmable dimmable.

      The thing that is unique about these bulbs is that they are *indistinguishable* from traditional incandescent bulbs. The original bulbs were 65 watt which was noticably better for my older eyes. Sadly the newer bulbs are 820 lumens (about 62 watts) so they probably won't be as bright.

      I use my older non-dimmable bulbs in open fixtures which face up and the bulbs have lasted several years but many complain that used in closed face down fixtures the bulbs die quickly.

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    8. Re:OLEDs not generic LEDs by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Both CFL's and LED lamps are generally overdriven, they pump more juice through them than they should with brightness and price being the main selling point.

  4. Woo hoo!! by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't wait for my 57% brighter Christmas tree.

    You'll see that sucker from space.

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    1. Re:Woo hoo!! by bjb_admin · · Score: 1

      Now if they would just add a capacitor to eliminate the flicker that most LED Christmas tree lights produce I would be happy.

    2. Re:Woo hoo!! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I've never noticed the flickering.

      What I have noticed is that the faceting of the lens to make it brighter seems to create the optical illusion it's moving if you move relative to it.

      Or, maybe that's actually flickering.

      Either way, it makes my brain hurt.

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    3. Re:Woo hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you seeing a flicker or an interference pattern?

      LEDs are often a single-spectrum light source.

    4. Re:Woo hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have the offending brain removed. You'll feel much better.

    5. Re:Woo hoo!! by plover · · Score: 1

      It's very clearly either a 60 Hz or a 120Hz flicker, depending on the string. It's hideously painful.

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    6. Re:Woo hoo!! by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      The newer ones are "full wave rectified" so they flicker at 100hz/120hz instead of 50/60, so you don't notice it. Here is an article on how to eliminate the flicker by adding a capacitor but that is a pretty big, expensive, and ?potentially unreliable? capacitor. It looks big in the picture, so I checked online and found one for $5 that was over an inch tall. Also, I don't think electrolytic capacitors would do so well outdoors. (I'm no EE, so I may be wrong.)

    7. Re:Woo hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1/2 Hz flickering is a feature, not a bug.

    8. Re:Woo hoo!! by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Are you seeing a flicker or an interference pattern?

      Some of the Christmas LED chains are just a string of LEDs connected serially with the ends to chain directly connected to AC voltage. :) They can produce quite shitty flicker.

    9. Re:Woo hoo!! by mirix · · Score: 1

      It's flickering. When you move, the persistence of vision breaks down and the flickering becomes more obvious.

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    10. Re:Woo hoo!! by umafuckit · · Score: 1
      You'll see that sucker from space.

      Indeed you will. With the spread of super bright white LED street lights, the light pollution situation will get exponentially worse. Amateur astronomy has been on rocky ground for some time. These lights are the death knell. Real pity.

    11. Re:Woo hoo!! by drainbramage · · Score: 3, Informative

      A friend wanted to replace his landscape bulbs with LEDs, the flicker was horrible.
      We added a bridge rectifier and the 120 hz flicker was less offensive.
      So, we added a capacitor, the flicker was gone and the LEDs were much brighter.
      I noticed they were also becoming warm so I measured the voltage which was now over 18vdc.
      I suddenly recalled that a load resistor was always added when I used to make linear power supplies, a few years ago.
      Can't remember the formula I used to use but google found a nice article about this:
      http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/...

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    12. Re:Woo hoo!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this just works for me because I'm a giant mutant, but if I make a deep sort of dog-growly noise way down in my sternum then it makes my skull vibrate in a way that lets me visually perceive flicker all the way up to around typical LED refresh rates even on normal stuff like digital clocks. The numbers all sort of jiggle in different directions, in that case. LED-illuminated Christmas trees look ridiculous. They have absurd flicker because they just run at 1/2 of the mains frequency.

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    13. Re:Woo hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done the same thing with vibrating the handle of a plastic spoon while biting down on the spoon part with my mouth.

      The easiest way with christmas tree lights is to whip them back and forth really fast. You'll definitely see the on/off switching which results in flicker.

    14. Re:Woo hoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope.

      (Note: I use electronics and data processing terms as an analogy.)

      The way your optic nerve pre-processes images before sending the signal onward to the brain causes you to see things at about 13 FPS, per object, asynchronously, with interpolation. What that means is that your optic nerve pre-processes "objects", typically by high-contrast divisions (this is the mechanism that camo tricks). After that, it updates "fields" corresponding to those objects projected against the optic nerve at a rate of ~13 times per second. It does this on a ~6.8 Hz clock (doubled, so 13.6 FPS, actually) embedded into the cells of the optic nerve itself. It polls the retina per field-clock, asynchronously, updating field assignments as it processes each result (different-contrast areas are pruned around the edges of fields and lumped into adjacent fields). Then the object data bundles are forwarded to the brain's optic processing center as they're completed.

      Once in the brain, interpolated data is invented based on balance and motion data from other sensors. Thus, "motion blur". This is not the same as persistence of vision, which is essentially "burn-in" on the retinal cells.

      The reason you see flickering is entirely different. The eye doesn't just sit there and gather light. It actively scans across things laterally. This scanning is done on that same ~6.8Hz clock. So the "frames" observed are frame-left and frame-right, alternating. This also feeds into the interpolation calculations.

      Since LED's are tiny pinpoint light sources with a very high contrast gradient to anything around them, they can "escape" the interpolation post-processing done by the brain by falling outside of the re-fielding threshold during the object pre-processing done in the optic nerve. But, in order for re-fielding to work, it has to have something to compare to. That's going to be the burnt-in image from the previous frame. Re-fielding compares the fading burn-in with the current active signal. If your eyes have poor persistence, then you're going to have more re-fielding threshold misses, and thus more flickering problems.

      The reason this doesn't happen to everyone all the time is because 1) everyone's eyes are a little different, especially the thresholds and timings used in re-fielding, and 2) LED's are engineered to work without visible flicker for most people.

    15. Re:Woo hoo!! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Santa's gonna slap you with a lawsuit for blinding his reindeer.

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    16. Re:Woo hoo!! by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this just works for me because I'm a giant mutant, but if I make a deep sort of dog-growly noise way down in my sternum then it makes my skull vibrate in a way that lets me visually perceive flicker all the way up to around typical LED refresh rates even on normal stuff like digital clocks.

      This is also quite noticeable even if you're not a mutant, just by munching on potato chips while looking at something that flickers, or by using an electric toothbrush.

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    17. Re:Woo hoo!! by itzly · · Score: 1

      Even better is to clench the handle of a spoon between your teeth, and then pluck the end to make it vibrate.

    18. Re:Woo hoo!! by itzly · · Score: 1

      Not likely. Modern LED fixtures are better designed to aim the light down to the street, they are often dimmable so they can be dimmed down during the really dark hours.

    19. Re:Woo hoo!! by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately it is not only likely that LEDs are worse but the problem is already playing itself out. I've seen it. In my area I've noticed and increase in white light light pollution over the last five years. The IDA, which is a body involved in attempting to reduce light pollution, is concerned. There are multiple reasons why LEDs are becoming problematic.

      Light scatters off the ground too and back into the sky. If the fixture is bright enough then any gains from it being more directional are lost by the scattered reflection off the ground. The directionality for LED street lights is better, but it's only a matter of time until they're used for building up-lighting, and some of the current street-light fittings do still leak light.

      The other big problem is the LEDs being white, in particular many of them are a cold blueish white. Night vision is particularly sensitive to those wavelengths, so for a given flux the impact of a white LED is substantially worse than the pressure sodium lights they are replacing. In addition, because they're broad-band emitters, the effectiveness of narrow-band light pollution filters for visual astronomy is reduced. Don't forget also that LEDs are able to emit more light for less power. All of these issues create a brighter ambient light dome that spreads over large areas. If you live right next to an LED street-light and have it shining anywhere near your yard then it can be "like daylight", according to amateur astronomers I know. So that completely obliterates backyard astronomy in a way that sodium lights never did.

      You're right the potential benefit is that they're dimmable. But the question is how much they're dimmed and when they're dimmed. Given their increased potency as a light pollution source, I don't see us ending up in a situation where light pollution levels go down. In the West, levels of light pollution have increased far faster than the population over the last 30 years. There is no indication that LEDs, with their cheap light, are going to reverse or slow this trend.

    20. Re:Woo hoo!! by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      When the LEDs were being half-wave rectified, they were probably being overdriven at peak. When you used the bridge rectifier, you were doubling the power that was going through them.

  5. I prefer to buy them off the shelf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Save lots of construction time and money.

  6. LED's "preferred?" By who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    By who? Whitebread environmentalists who like to increase the cost of basic goods for poor people in order to make a meaningless gesture? Or rent-seeking light bulb company executives looking to kill off their low-margin mature business by legislative fiat?

  7. The 57% in the title is misleading. by Steve+Newall · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article explains that the light extraction is increased from 3% to 60%. This is a factor of 20 increase in light output. So compared to a "normal" LED, this new technology is actually 2000% more efficient.

    1. Re:The 57% in the title is misleading. by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 57% improvement was on top of existing improvements like adding a reflector. This brought it up from something like 38% to 60%.

    2. Re:The 57% in the title is misleading. by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      If you dig deeper into the math, it's a 55% improvement rather than 57%. That sounds like a trivial difference I know, but the logic is important for future comparisons. Let me explain.

      Presume the new efficiency was 99% and the old efficiency was 38%. Naively, that sounds like 2.6x better. However, it's far more constructive to look at it in terms of how close it comes to 100%. So really, the formula is (100 - 38) ÷ (100 - 99) which means it's not 2.6x more efficient, but 62x more efficient. To get the percentage improvement, we add a little more to the formula: (100 - 38) ÷ (100 - 99) × 100 - 100 = 6100% improvement.

      With the original numbers we calculate (100 - 38) ÷ (100 - 60) × 100 - 100 = 55% improvement.

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    3. Re:The 57% in the title is misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um... no.

      If my device uses 20W to do work at a rate of 10W, and your device uses 11W, you device is just under twice as efficient as mine. If I come back with a device that only consumes 10.1W, my device is not nine times more efficient than yours, it's about 9% more efficient.

      To say that X is 62 times more efficient than Y states that X can do the same work as Y with 1/62 the amount of energy - such large-factor increases in efficiency are not possible unless Y is significantly inefficient, because it's impossible to be more efficient than perfectly efficient.

    4. Re:The 57% in the title is misleading. by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      You missed the idea behind my post. I'm talking about the 'closeness' to 100%. From a particular perspective, something that's 99.9% efficient is 10x as efficient than something that's merely 99% efficient, since the former is 0.1% from 100% whilst the latter is 1%.

      That means, heat loss will be 10x greater.

      However, from the perspective of brightness (rather than efficiency), you're right, 99.9% is only about 1.01x more efficient than 99%.

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    5. Re:The 57% in the title is misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that use of 'efficient' works. If you go from 99% efficient to 99.9% efficient then the wasted energy drops by 10x. That is clear.

      But calling it 1,000% more efficient does not seem useful. The amount of power wasted is not really a useful measure. What we care about is useful-output/energy-in. We want to increase that ratio. And going from 99% to 99.9% increases it by about 1.01x (which is not particularly significant).

      If the waste is problematic somehow (if dissipating the heat is a huge problem) then the reduction in waste may be important, but presuming that it is important and calling it a 10x improvement in efficiency is not automatically sensible -- it has to be justified.

  8. Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, so now you'll have 57% more light output at 200% the price :D

  9. The summary title is an outright lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a big difference between "LEDs" and "Organic LEDs". To the best of my knowledge, organic LEDs aren't used for "lighting".

    1. Re:The summary title is an outright lie by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      ...yet.

      An OLED is an LED, so the title isn't a lie. It's vague.

    2. Re:The summary title is an outright lie by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, actually, OLEDs can be and are used for lighting. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=oled+ligh...

    3. Re:The summary title is an outright lie by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      Okay, so what is the difference between "LEDs", "Organic LEDs", and "Gluten-free LEDs"?

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    4. Re:The summary title is an outright lie by Zynder · · Score: 1

      LED-->Organic LEDs ~5$ difference

      Organic LEDs--->Gluten-free LEDs, bout Tree Fiddy.

  10. OLEDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't organic LED's the worst kind of LED for longevity & efficiency? I suppose if they can be manufactured cheap enough it doesn't matter but the cost issue with current LED lights from what I understand isn't the LED output but the compact AC/DC conversion hardware necessary to fit them into standard US sockets. OLEDs I believe are currently used mostly in displays and most of them are bright enough already.

    1. Re:OLEDs? by plover · · Score: 1

      Even if they are already bright enough, you can still trade brightness for efficiency and get increased battery life.

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  11. Like claims of 50% increase in battery capacity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll believe it when it the technology actually proves feasible to be mass produced. Until then its vaporware.

  12. too damn bright by Pro923 · · Score: 2

    ya know I loved it when they first invented this whole new bright LED technology back 5 or so years ago... I was so impressed by the street lights, and anything else that used them - I could easily tell the new LEDs from the old ones. But when my old clock radio died, i went to wal mart and bought a cheapo 20 buck LED lit digital alarm clock with cool looking blue light. But the fucking thing is Soooo bright that at night it's like having the sun in my bedroom with me. I was thinking about sticking some semi transparent plastic over it, but I couldn't really find anything suitable. so, i just throw clothes on top of it and it becomes useless unless i care enough about the time to dig it up.

    1. Re:too damn bright by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Tinted window film should do the trick. But only if you have another use for it, as a roll will probably cost you as much as the clock.

      While the advent of blue LEDs has been pretty cool from a certain stand point, some things make no sense. There was a study a few years back that showed how blue light can really screw with your sleep. Then another that seemed to indicate all kinds of health problems that can be caused by having blue lights on while sleeping. Here's one. but there are better ones if you feel like looking.

    2. Re:too damn bright by Pro923 · · Score: 1

      Very interesting... Thanks!

    3. Re:too damn bright by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      So you decided to turn it in to a fire hazard instead?

    4. Re:too damn bright by ReverendJ1 · · Score: 1

      These were mentioned in an earlier comment. http://www.lightdims.com/

    5. Re:too damn bright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, for a clock radio alarm clock they really need to just go back to the old dull red LEDs.

      My green one even came with a 'brightness selector', when set to dim it isn't quite bright enough to navigate my bedroom by.

    6. Re:too damn bright by Pro923 · · Score: 1

      LEDs don't really emit much heat. The thing throws off a lot of light, but it's not a nuke.

  13. Doesn't matter by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    Any further development to increase longevity, efficiency, affordability will be bashed by The Great Lightbulb Conspiracy.

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  14. Coverage from IEEE Spectrum by necro81 · · Score: 2

    IEEE Spectrum also has coverage, along with an excellent technical explanation.

  15. The industry will screw you anyway... by MindPrison · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...because it doesn't pay very well to sell you something that'll last forever, whether it's an Oled screen or LED bulb.

    It's no coincidence that the CFLs die off after 1-2 years albeit they're supposed to last 10-20 years with normal usage. My first Philips 11w CFLs that I bought 20 years ago, still glows like mad and simply refuse to die. That is back when the CFLs was new, and cost like 40 bucks just for ONE bulb, but hey...it's actually worth the money, it still is my best bulb.

    With LED's, it's a walk in the park for the industry to make them last less, all you need to do for your LED to last less than specified, is to OVERDRIVE them just a little, a little higher current and the LED's will die rapidly, they should be able to make the new LED lamps last just out the warranty period (that in most countries AFAIK is around 3-6 months), or cheap enough to avoid the warranty altogether.

    There is nothing wrong with the LED's themselves, (we're talking the components...DIODES...not the whole circuit with drivers and all), I ordered strong RGB leds from China many MANY years ago, they're still glowing on my homemade alarm-systems so strong that I can use them as night-lights, yes...4 years later 24H day use...they still glow enough to lit up an entire room. And I just used Ohms law + 1% resistor values to calculate the right resistor value for my circuits. You can pretty much BET the manufacturers will "miscalculate" these values, or make the drivers for the stronger LED's last MUCH less in order to keep pumping out new ones for the consumers to waste and waste.

    I'd rather pay a proper price for my LED lamps - and keep our environment safe from this mad overproduction that now has escalated totally out of hands. :(

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    1. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...because it doesn't pay very well to sell you something that'll last forever, whether it's an Oled screen or LED bulb.

      With LED's, it's a walk in the park for the industry to make them last less, all you need to do for your LED to last less than specified, is to OVERDRIVE them just a little, a little higher current and the LED's will die rapidly, they should be able to make the new LED lamps last just out the warranty period (that in most countries AFAIK is around 3-6 months), or cheap enough to avoid the warranty altogether.

      There is nothing wrong with the LED's themselves, (we're talking the components...DIODES...not the whole circuit with drivers and all), I ordered strong RGB leds from China many MANY years ago, they're still glowing on my homemade alarm-systems so strong that I can use them as night-lights, yes...4 years later 24H day use...they still glow enough to lit up an entire room. And I just used Ohms law + 1% resistor values to calculate the right resistor value for my circuits. You can pretty much BET the manufacturers will "miscalculate" these values, or make the drivers for the stronger LED's last MUCH less in order to keep pumping out new ones for the consumers to waste and waste.

      I'd rather pay a proper price for my LED lamps - and keep our environment safe from this mad overproduction that now has escalated totally out of hands. :(

      Buy Crees. I work in LED driver design, and Cree, who I don't work for but I work with, seem to do a good job of making sure their LED's don't get associated with junk. Philips similarly, to a lesser extent.
      So, from the inside, it's not that manufacturers generally scrimp on bulbs to make them fail faster so they can sell more. The economics of light bulbs don't support that business model. It's that people are crazy reluctant to pay $15 for a lightbulb when an incandescent costs under $1. So manufacturers engage in heavy-duty Muntzing until the bulb will just barely run, and they've cut the BOM by $1.45... and then it dies quickly. It's called value engineering, which as far as I'm concerned means removing all the value. They use cheap input filter caps, and scrimp on those, and they use cheap heatsinking which is poorly thermally coupled to the LED's, so the LED's operate at a high junction temperature and don't live very long.
      Incandescents have visual inertia, for lack of a better term: if you pour a 30 hz square wave into one, it'll still look pretty good. LED's react in nanoseconds. Crappy dirty line power combined with dimming makes for a really demanding design, and designers and apps engineers have to work with a huge variation in dimmer designs. Consumers don't see any of that: all they see is "no way I'm paying $25 for a lightbulb" so they buy the crap ones and then get infuriated with them because they're visibly flickering and only last five times as long as an incandescent. I can't really blame them, either. There are really good lightbulbs out there. They're expensive. They should last 50,000 hours. But it's hard to tell what you're getting if you're not in on the design.

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    2. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      You're very right.

      I've reverse engineered enough cheap knockoffs in my life to verify your story. Everything from cheap PSU's with barely more than a Triac inside, to USB-hubs, cheap lasers, cheap communications transceivers (a chip & an half).

      But yeah, we really DO get what we pay for. So dear consumers who are reading this, please protest by not settling for the crappy stuff. Buy quality and prove to the world that's what we want! I've been 30+ years into electronics (many as a service tech). We've got a heck of a job in front of us, but I honestly believe the public will tire of the crappy products, hopefully NOT before it's too late.

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    3. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy Crees. I work in LED driver design, and Cree, who I don't work for but I work with, seem to do a good job of making sure their LED's don't get associated with junk. Philips similarly, to a lesser extent.

      Weird. My experience has been the opposite. I've tried the Cree bulbs from Home Depot and they suck because they strobe at 120 Hz (verified on a scope). That's not usually noticeable except when you move your eyes quickly (like reading), or if something moves quickly like your kid swinging a baton. The strobe effect really bothers me. I also have 15 of the Philips L-prize bulbs that they discontinued after collecting their prize money, and those do not have any sort of strobe effect and they are more efficient than the Cree bulbs.

    4. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2

      But yeah, we really DO get what we pay for. So dear consumers who are reading this, please protest by not settling for the crappy stuff. Buy quality and prove to the world that's what we want! I've been 30+ years into electronics (many as a service tech). We've got a heck of a job in front of us, but I honestly believe the public will tire of the crappy products, hopefully NOT before it's too late.

      The big open question for our time: how do we tell if stuff is quality?
      Stuff that has the same manufacturer's SKU number, you open it up and it has all different guts than last year's because they've changed subcontractors.
      They come out with a new version every four months, so by the time reviews are up on one you can't buy that model anymore.
      Manufacturers have adopted influenza's tactic: change so fast that the system can't keep up with you and fight your badness.
      Since us consumers need to buy stuff, we have no choice but to buy what's being offered, with only lemon metrics for judging.
      Cree is an exception to this (in my experience), and I hope like mad that they stay that way.

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    5. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2

      Buy Crees. I work in LED driver design, and Cree, who I don't work for but I work with, seem to do a good job of making sure their LED's don't get associated with junk. Philips similarly, to a lesser extent.

      Weird. My experience has been the opposite. I've tried the Cree bulbs from Home Depot and they suck because they strobe at 120 Hz (verified on a scope). That's not usually noticeable except when you move your eyes quickly (like reading), or if something moves quickly like your kid swinging a baton. The strobe effect really bothers me. I also have 15 of the Philips L-prize bulbs that they discontinued after collecting their prize money, and those do not have any sort of strobe effect and they are more efficient than the Cree bulbs.

      Strobing is a huge problem, and the easiest way to fix it is add big output caps to the switcher... which costs money.
      It's sad to hear they did that. I will chat with someone who gets to make these decisions for them at the end of the month.
      Strobing's even worse with car taillights because that's when people have the highest saccade rates and cars are moving quickly, so surprisingly high frequencies are clearly visible as strobe flashes.

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    6. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      Buy Crees. I work in LED driver design, and Cree, who I don't work for but I work with, seem to do a good job of making sure their LED's don't get associated with junk. Philips similarly, to a lesser extent.

      Weird. My experience has been the opposite. I've tried the Cree bulbs from Home Depot and they suck because they strobe at 120 Hz (verified on a scope). That's not usually noticeable except when you move your eyes quickly (like reading), or if something moves quickly like your kid swinging a baton. The strobe effect really bothers me. I also have 15 of the Philips L-prize bulbs that they discontinued after collecting their prize money, and those do not have any sort of strobe effect and they are more efficient than the Cree bulbs.

      Cree is a world leader in making the actual LED elements themselves. These are found in products made by other manufacturers. They only recently stepped into the consumer space by designing and packaging a 120V screw in LED bulb, which I agree has a noticeable 120Hz flicker, but that's a result of their driver design, not the LEDs themselves. I was also similarly disappointed with Phillips A-line slim. It also had a noticeable flicker. Both bulbs do an excellent job of 2700K colour temperature, and price, but the flicker is too noticeable for me (though it's not 100% unfiltered, I've seen a lot worse bulbs).

    7. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cree, and everyone else, second-sources LEDs. Just because the box says "Cree" on it doesn't mean that the LEDs in the product were actually made by Cree.

    8. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Khyber · · Score: 0

      Excuse me? Cree has their own fabrication. What the fuck are you talking about?

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    9. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they make the phosphor on the led's slower?

    10. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Whibla · · Score: 1

      ...because it doesn't pay very well to sell you something that'll last forever, whether it's an Oled screen or LED bulb.

      ...and the LED's will die rapidly, they should be able to make the new LED lamps last just out the warranty period (that in most countries AFAIK is around 3-6 months), or cheap enough to avoid the warranty altogether...

      I'd rather pay a proper price for my LED lamps - and keep our environment safe from this mad overproduction that now has escalated totally out of hands. :(

      I'm not sure how you're arriving at conclusion regarding 'most countries', given that much of the first / second world has, by and large, harmonised trade agreements and importing / exporting between them is realtively trivial. Certainly where I live (the UK), and the majority of Europe, the warranty period for the LED bulbs I purchased is 16 years, a mere factor of 30+ times the figure you give. Whether I'll still be able to find the receipts in x years time if one of them fails is another issue, let alone whether the ink on them will still be readable...

      As to your last comment, agreed, wholeheartedly.

    11. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Apparently the idiots downvoting have no clue.

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    12. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they make the phosphor on the led's slower?

      I'm not a phosphor chemist so I may not be right on this, but it's my understanding that despite the word 'phosphor' the coating that downconverts light in an LED is actually a fluorescent phenomenon, meaning the metastable states have lifetimes on the orders of tens of nanoseconds. Actual phosphorescent phenomena have lifetimes long enough to make a visual difference but because they stay in an excited state a lot longer they have a lot more time to engage in non-radiative relaxation, so their conversion efficiency is like 10x lower.

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    13. Re:The industry will screw you anyway... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      My understand is that the drivers are the main factor for just about any LED light. I'm sure there is quality variation in the LEDs themselves, but most of the stuff that costs money, wears out, and impacts quality is in the drivers.

  16. led vs oled, how long until Walmart? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Maybe someone who works in new led technology can answer two questions:

    Does / might this apply to to LED light bulbs as opposed to screens?
    TFA refers to screens.

    If so, care to take a guess as to how long it will take for this to be on store shelves?

  17. Re:Like claims of 50% increase in battery capacity by bws111 · · Score: 1

    Try running a new smartphone on a battery of the same size from 10 years ago, then come back and tell us they haven't improved batteries.

  18. The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic caps by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real breakthrough in LED lighting is getting rid of electrolytic capacitors in the power supply. Those are currently the components with the shortest life. See "Elimination of an Electrolytic Capacitor in AC/DC Light-Emitting Diode (LED) Driver With High Input Power Factor and Constant Output Current" Variations on that technology are now going into production LED lighting units. This should push unit lifetimes up from 20,000 hours to that of the LEDs, 40,000 or so. (Provided the quality of the LEDs doesn't slip.)

  19. Cheaper and more flexible too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it even more exciting that FTA they say this process can make OLEDs cheaper and flexible enough to be woven like fabric.

    "... "We wanted to experimentally demonstrate this is true in visible light range, and then use it to solve the key challenges in LEDs and displays. It is so flexible and ductile that it can be weaved into a cloth."

    The team also claims that the PlaCSH organic LEDs are exceptionally cheap to make as they are made using a system called "nanoimprint," a technology Professor Chou invented to make nanostructures in a similar way to a printing press produces newspapers. ..."

  20. Less battery drain and clearer screens by pupsocket · · Score: 2

    The immediate commercial demand is in the displays of portable electronics, where this technology will decrease power consumption and deliver better contrast, especially in daylight.

  21. Output or efficiency increased 57%? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they increase the light output per unit of input energy by 57%, or the ratio of the light output per unit of input energy by 57 percentage points?

    Why these are different, and the article didn't seem to say which it was: assume initial OLED efficiency was 10%. I.e. Did they just increase it to 15.7%, or 67%?

  22. Photonic cristals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The proposed nano structure is strikingly similar to photonic cristals, except the material isn't light conducting.

  23. Sunlight visible? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    So when will I get my sunlight-visible iPad and Macbook Pro (17-inch, please)?

    1. Re:Sunlight visible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As soon as the technology has been proven viable by other companies.

  24. dammit nano technology hurry up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much amazing everything has been announced 'we can do this now with nano tech' long story short to expensive to be reasonable nano tech hard.

    Now I'm not saying nano science isn't doing a great job, making many large advances. But they need to understand that we are all getting anxious and would really like all these new awesome toys so nano scientists please do hurry up m'kay.

  25. Long way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most conventional form of lighting is the sun. It's been in use for billions of years. Even with this marvellous new nanotechnology LEDs fall many orders of magnitude short of the luminous output of the sun. I, for one, am disappointed.

  26. The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The proper way to do this, for new build at least, is to have a separate low voltage lighting circuit. Use 1 high quality transformer and decent polypropylene capacitors, then the only component you need in the bulb is the LED (possibly also a heatsink and resistor). That should last for ages and centralises the rectification and smoothing so that cheap and nasty components can be avoided and the whole thing can be user serviceable. For a typical 3-bed house (say 10 rooms including hallways) that's about 120W assuming a 12W LED bulb provides the same output as a 60W incandescent (about right IME). A 120VA transformer is chicken feed - maybe ã30-40 - and 100uF PP motor run capacitors go for about the same. Even allowing some contingency, the cost is epsilon compared with the cost of a new house.

  27. Does this work like a diffraction grating? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    The picture in the first article shows "bumps" added to the outside of the material. Is this kinda like how a diffraction grating works? Where the spacing between those "bumps" matches the wavelength of the light?

  28. Nah, its battery life and/or light output by paziek · · Score: 2

    I think that most people would rather have 2x battery life or 2x brighter light in their flashlight, rather than it lasting twice as long, considering that I'm yet to see IC of flashlight to die on me.

  29. Thoughts on led lighting by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    I don't care about 57% efficiency I care about lighting that is not gross or otherwise as annoying as heck.

    Bright blue leds.. can't stand them around here they end up being disconnected or gouged out in short order.

    LED street lights make me cringe every time I drive under them. Say what you will about the yellow spike that are sodium lights they are much easier on the eyes especially at night. Streets are not supposed to resemble stadiums and leds are not more efficient than LPS.

    Christmas LED lights are puke-ish .. faint dull sickening flickering half wave monstrosities. I used to love going outside to look at all the nice warm Christmas lights now we drive by these hollow ghosts of years past and it is depressing.

    White LEDs in displays have shitty CRI, can't be dimmed at night because PWM flicker would fall below flicker fusion threshold and screening the panel kills contrast ratio.. They can't even achieve sRGB coverage. Other LED based arrangements such as RG-B are however quite good.

    Cheap LED screw in light bulbs with white LEDs are sickening... however slightly more expensive version with phosphors are just as good as CFLs without the startup lag.

    LED flashlights look like shit but batteries last forever so they get a pass.

    OLED displays are unreliable compared with CRT and TFT panels suffering from element failure and CRT erra phosphor burnin.

    I don't care about efficiency... I care about quality products I would actually want to purchase that don't compromise and take shortcuts at my expense.

    TFA is like announcing the 50% efficient PV cell breakthrough that costs so much nobody but NASA would ever use it... it isn't the point ... the breakthrough is in addressing consumer demands and LEDs have a LOOONG way to go in my view.

    1. Re:Thoughts on led lighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know they make warm white or neutral LEDs and you can get them in flashlights, right. They're the same yellow color of weak incandescents you're used to, except with about 100 times as much light for less power.

  30. Use a power bar and save money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You'll save between and 1% and 5% on your yearly electrical expenditures if you stop wasting your money pointlessly converting electricity to heat. And then running the AC to get rid of the heat.

    Remember, every single thing that has a remote control draws power 100% of the time. Wall wart power supplies also draw power 100% of the time, regardless of whether you have anything plugged into them.

    Unless you use a power strip... the only things in my house that aren't on power switches are the fridge, the water heater and the furnace. Well, actually the furnace is on a switch, but I leave it turned on 24x7 in winter.

    On some other forum I might point out that this saves fossil fuels and also keeps carbon and ozone out of the atmosphere, but I know better than to do that here. Let's go roll coal on some environmentalists!

    1. Re:Use a power bar and save money. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Yes, because allowing my stuff to consume a tiny fraction of their normal draw is the same as "rolling coal."

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  31. Yes, but they'll never... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    last more than 1,000 hours. This is not technology, but politics in the industry.

    1. Re:Yes, but they'll never... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Man, you're full of shit. Every LED light I've owned has gone well over that.

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  32. LEDs have better spectrum than CFL, but still crap by Prune · · Score: 0

    Even high CRI (color rendering index) LED lighting has a nasty spike in the blue region. See: http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/~schub... This is very different than the smooth blackbody spectrum of solar radiation, though not nearly as bad as the many narrow spikes of a CFL bulb. Color reproduction still suffers, even if not as much as in the case of fluorescents. Compare to a high-end incandescent bulb (such as used in museums and galleries, and in my house), which use filtering reflectors to match daylight spectrum very closely. You can only do this with the smooth spectra of blackbody radiators (such as incandescents) because we lack sufficiently specific (narrow band) filters to deal with the spikes in LEDs, fluorescents, and HIDs, at least without going to extreme expense. So for those of us to whom it matters that artificial lighting should strive to reproduce natural lighting reasonably well, incandescents remain a necessity. At the same time, I do realize that to others efficiency matters, and that is becoming an increasingly significant factor, especially through the actions of the anti-nuclear power lobby.

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  33. Re:The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic ca by EmperorArthur · · Score: 3, Informative

    While it seems like a good idea to have a low voltage circuit, there some unfortunate realities that have to be taken into consideration. Mainly you need much thicker wiring to keep your resistive losses low. It's actually cheaper to have a transformer in the light fixture itself than it is to run heavy guage wire everywhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  34. Same here by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    I just purchased a new alarm clock and it bright enough that I could read by it's light. Since I keep it close to my bed I had to put two layers of tinted plastic over the display in order to sleep with it on the lowest setting. now it's almost impossible to read the time during the day.

    1. Re:Same here by vandelais · · Score: 1

      Good job.

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  35. I have a fan at work by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    whose green power indicator only seems to be there to let you know that the device is plugged in. On or off, the damn thing is lit.

  36. Re:The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic ca by Twinbee · · Score: 2

    How can I tell whether a given LED bulb from the shop has this tech? What companies currently use this tech?

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  37. LEDs are bright by harlequinn · · Score: 1

    "they still fall behind more conventional forms of lighting in terms of brightness."

    The most advanced consumer LEDs have a higher luminous efficacy than HID, fluorescent, and incandescent lights. They have for several years now.

    The luminous flux of LEDs is good as well. Although the total power of LEDs tapers off after around 30W, manufacturers use large arrays of the more efficient low power LEDs and achieve incredibly high luminous flux. E.g. Cree sells a flood light that is 850W and outputs 75000 lumens.

    For domestic use, LEDs have higher luminous flux than competing lighting techniques.

     

  38. Re:The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic ca by kybred · · Score: 1

    What about 3-phase power for lighting? When you full wave rectify 3-ph you don't get the 0 volt valleys in the wave. Of course, we're not going to re-wire all our houses for that.

  39. Not nanotech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > they are made using a system called "nanoimprint," a technology Professor Chou invented to make nanostructures in a similar way to a printing press produces newspapers. ..."

    Which means it's not "nanotechnology," it's nanoscale manufacturing. The term "nanotechnology" was coined to describe building things atom by atom, and AFAIKT they are not doing that here.

  40. Summary makes zero sense by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "However, despite their luminous outputs having increased steadily over that time, they still fall behind more conventional forms of lighting in terms of brightness."

    Bullshit. We're pumping 300+ lumens per watt, 5150K, 350mA drive current, 85C operating temperature.

    There's not one goddamned thing on this planet that can touch an LED, now. The sun only hits ~93 lumens per watt, once you get all the really complicated math down.

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  41. Re:LEDs have better spectrum than CFL, but still c by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "Even high CRI (color rendering index) LED lighting has a nasty spike in the blue region."

    Would you like to know why?

    Because that blue led is now so damned efficient and the remote phosphor tech doubly so.

    Going by input power/output power, the blue LED is almost 65%-70% efficient. It would have to be to get Cree's current 5150K LED at 300+ lumens per watt.

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  42. MOD this AC UP! by Zynder · · Score: 1

    Damn, I'm not a doctor so I don't know any of that is correct, but I have got to say, that is the best explanation of what I'm sure is a highly complicated subject that I've read in ages. Maybe it's because I'm an EE so I'm familiar with the terms you substituted. Curiously, have you considered writing a medical book in that style? Perhaps call it Medical Engineering for Engineers or some such! +1

    1. Re:MOD this AC UP! by itzly · · Score: 1

      I would hire him as a script writer for the technobabble parts in Star Trek. Apart from that, forget it.

  43. Re:The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic ca by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "The real breakthrough in LED lighting is getting rid of electrolytic capacitors in the power supply."

    That's nothing.

    I just did away with the power supply entirely.

    Give me a good remote phosphor with a fair amount of persistence, no more flicker.

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  44. Re:Like claims of 50% increase in battery capacity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The energy density of Lithium Ion batteries have plateaued for the past 10 years. The battery technology for your smartphone is the same as it was for your Motorola Razr. They simply made the battery physically larger to increase capacity with only a very minor increase in energy density. Remember when your Razr could last a full week between charges? It goes to show that the battery technology is NOT keeping up with the increased energy demand with today's smartphones.

  45. Re:The real breakthrough - no more electrolytic ca by radl33t · · Score: 1

    Do you have a link that points to this analysis in residential housing? I calculated I could wire my house (9 rooms) with 0.5% loss for $60 bucks at a very sloppy 200 ft in 14g wire.

  46. Patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought a condition of government funding prohibited patenting the resulting technology:

    Princeton has filed patent applications for both organic and inorganic LEDs using PlaCSH.

    and

    Support for the research was provided in part by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Office of Naval Research. Chou recently was awarded a major grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to further advance the use of PlaCSH as a solution for energy-efficient lighting.