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FCC To Rule On "Paid Prioritization" Deals By Internet Service Providers

An anonymous reader writes "After a record 3.7 million public comments on net neutrality, the FCC is deciding if the company that supplies your internet access should be allowed to make deals with online services to move their content faster. The FCC's chairman Tom Wheeler says financial arrangements between providers and content sites might be OK if the agreement is "commercially reasonable" and companies say publicly how they prioritize traffic. Many disagree, saying this sets up an internet for the highest bidder. "If Comcast and Time Warner – who already have a virtual monopoly on Internet service – have the ability to manage and manipulate Internet speeds and access to benefit their own bottom line, they will be able to filter content and alter the user experience," said Barbara Ann Luttrell, 26, of Atlanta, in a recent submission to the FCC."

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  1. We are fucked by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess is we are fucked.

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    1. Re:We are fucked by Bengie · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see you paid for prioritization.

    2. Re:We are fucked by Chas · · Score: 4, Informative

      My guess is we are fucked.

      No. Being "fucked" implied some modicum of informed consent.

      The proper term is "ass-raped without even the courtesy of a reach-around".

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    3. Re:We are fucked by maynard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember when Gilmore said, 'the internet routes around damage'?

      Remember when it was commonly accepted that censorship on an open network was virtually impossible?

      Remember then?

      All that idealism crushed with buyouts and consolidation, money thrown at the problem of uppity citizens using disruptive new technology to assert their pesky rights. And it worked. The Internet is nothing like what I remember twenty years ago. A free thought and open platform for exchange of ideas and technology. Now it's a marketing platform at best, global surveillance mechanism at worst.

      My parents generation from the 60s had their idealism crushed too. What with the assassination of a president, a civil rights leader, and that president's brother murdered on the campaign trail while running for President. No wonder in the '70s people turned their backs on civics danced away their troubles.

      And if you look back to the Wobblie generation - my great grandparents - at the beginning of the nineteenth century, so too did it happen then as well. Utterly crushed under the boot of money and violence. People danced during the roaring twenties too.

      At least not too many 'net idealists have been killed this time 'round. Though it doesn't seem like it's time to dance either. The mood has gotten too ugly to party the bad news off.

  2. So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Overwhelming response telling our leaders exactly what we wanted through our only feedback system. And it is blatently IGNORED in favor of paid interests. It's not a surprise, considering that the FCC leader is ex-cable, and they are appointees directly from big business. However it obviously shows just how badly this country is broken. I'm not an alarmist, but it this simply isn't going to change with the current US government system. They have no REASON to change it.

    1. Re:So. by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are not "your elected representatives". They are "representatives of the elite pre-selected for you to choose from".

      There is a huge difference.

    2. Re:So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Netflix will already put a caching server on an ISP's network.
      They've been doing this for a long time.

      This is about cable and telco ISPs extorting popular content providers to pay for bandwidth that the ISP's customers have already paid for.

      What?
      Me as a customer would like to use my monthly bandwidth quota to access Netflix?
      Sorry, that's extra even though I already paid my ISP's monthly fee.

    3. Re:So. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      Especially if you compare it to the number of comments the FCC gets on other issues. I'd wager that most FCC comment periods net a few thousand comments at most. 3.7 million is a huge outlier.

      Just to double-check, I looked at fcc.com/comments.

      "Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet" (i.e. Network Neutrality) has 283,467 comments. (This doesn't count e-mailed comments.)
      For contrast, "In the Matter of Connect America Fund A National Broadband Plan for Our Future High-Cost Universal Service Support" has 165 submitted comments.

      This means that the Network Neutrality comment area received 1,717% more comments than the more normal "fund a national broadband plan" comment area.

      No, 3.7 million might not be big compared to the entire voting public, but it's big compared to the usual FCC commenting group.

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  3. They already have paid prioritization by stox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to the Chairman's desk. Your opinions have been routed to /dev/null.

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    1. Re:They already have paid prioritization by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly this. They donated to campaigns and now the current FCC Chairman is the guy who used to run the head of the cable lobbying group, I'm not expecting a complete ignoring of our complaints - that might stir up too much of a backlash. Instead, they'll put a "fair process" in place to allow for this. The "fair process" will be designed to shut up Network Neutrality proponents while still letting the ISPs do whatever they want (so long as they hide it behind the smoke and mirrors for a bit).

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  4. Nothing New here by ktetch-pirate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not really telling us anything we didn't already know though, is it? They've been saying this for months. (although I'll admit not in the NYT or PBS - it's something I follow since it was my research for TorrentFreak that started all this when we proved Comcast were screwing with Bittorrent traffic back in the summer of 07)

  5. Yep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It won't be a straighforward result; "yes it's ok" or "no, net neutrality must rule." They'll hand us some mumbo jumbo legalese weasel-word bullshit the players involved will have to trouble navigating and the lawyers will rejoice.

    Would you like Netflix with your Internet, sir?

  6. "You don't like our Internet . . . ?" by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Normally, when non-US folks whine, moan, bitch and complain about the US role in managing the Internet, the US folks answer: "You don't like our Internet? Build your own then!"

    Well, I guess this retort applies to the US folks now. If you don't like your FCC Comcast Time Warner Paid Prioritization Internet . . . "Build your own then!"

    I would suggest we start small, with a store and forward network, named after someone's dog.

    My dog is named "Fido".

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    1. Re: "You don't like our Internet . . . ?" by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We did build our own-- or at least, we did pay these companies hundreds of billions of dollars in public funds to build it for us. I suppose we could build another one, and if we did, there's no reason to think that corrupt government officials won't just take it from us and hand it over to rich people.

      I don't think we need to build our own internet. I think we need to build our own government, and outlaw bribery. Our current one has been taken from us, and has no interest in serving the common good.

  7. Should we vote out the incumbents? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Overwhelming response telling our leaders exactly what we wanted through our only feedback system. And it is blatently IGNORED in favor of paid interests. It's not a surprise, considering that the FCC leader is ex-cable, and they are appointees directly from big business. However it obviously shows just how badly this country is broken. I'm not an alarmist, but it this simply isn't going to change with the current US government system. They have no REASON to change it.

    Would you consider voting out the incumbents?

    It's the only voting strategy that can make a difference, the only one that matters.

    When congressmen realize that they can be voted out after a single term, we'll have pro-public policies.

    And the best part is it's completely anonymous! No registration, no donations, no E-mail lists, no paper trail. Just resolve that "if this doesn't go in favor of the people, I'm voting against the incumbents".

    Join the boot party - give 'em the boot!

    (P.S. - Pass this along)

  8. Pay to slow competitors by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also if these paid agreements are so "reasonable" why not buy exclusivity? That is that when these companies negotiate their fast lane contracts to make it exclusive fast lane access; that is to basically pay to block the competitors out. So Hulu could buy the all the fast lane access for video subscription streaming locking out Netflix. Or google could buy up all search engine access.

    Plus this would then give comcast incentive to make an ever greater divide between the two speeds and keep slowing down the slow lane. I suspect that the ever shrinking legroom in economy is increasing first/business class ticket sales.

    Basically allowing any form of non-network neutrality will only make a few scumbags richer and the rest of us greatly poorer in both money and quality of services.

  9. Re:Devil's advocate here... by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its a little more complicated than that. First, these monopolies are piggybacking on infrastructure and right of ways granted by laws in most cases that were intended to remedy a public need as defined by the government. They recieved tax benifits, exclusivity, and the benifit of time before there ever was an ability to deliver internet on that infrastructure. Why it was ever considered separate is a question that muddles the mix.

      Next comes the question of consumer protections. If you purchase service with speeds up to 10 meg, no matter how it is spun, you simply are not getting that if they slow your access down in order to make these fast lanes. Along these same lines, there are still benifits in yhe form of tax breaks and grants to expand infrastructure for delivering broadband to underserved areas. Now does the broadband definition still apply if the connection to your work or school VPN is slower because netflix paid for fast access and your neighbor is binging on movies the first four months of his unemployment?

    Now do not get me wrong. If they can create a fast lane without slowing any other customer down below the speeds they purchased and it is optional, i do not have a problem with it. It likely will not be that way though.

  10. "commercially reasonable" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, this notion of "commercially reasonable" scares me the most. I'm guessing you could cover a lot of very very bad behavior by companies if the regulatory standard is "commercially reasonable".

    Remember, this is the FCC head and former cable executive who was appointed by someone who people on the Right call a "Marxist". Tom Wheeler should be shown the door immediately. In fact, he never should have been allowed anywhere near a regulatory agency. Whenever tells me they want people in government who have real-world business experience, I think how that's the last thing we want. Government and regulatory agencies should under no circumstances be run like a business world and experience as a business executive is the last thing we should look for in political leaders. It's like hiring a bank teller based on his experience as a former embezzler. Which reminds me, this is every bit as big a scandal as the recent story of the banking regulators who had the cozy relationship with Goldman Sachs.

    If you don't know about the recent Goldman Sachs story, you really ought to take a look:

    http://www.vox.com/2014/9/26/6...

    Meet Carmen Segarra, whose 46 hours of damning audio tape make her sort of the Edward Snowden of the financial world. And she's every bit as heroic as Snowden. I'm sure the lawbreaking at Goldman could be said to have been "commercially reasonable" too.

    Living in an oligarchy sucks balls. Godspeed to any future whistleblowers who decide to make the personal sacrifice to give us these glimpses into the lives of our not-so-benevolent overlords.

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