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Aral Sea Basin Almost Completely Dry

An anonymous reader writes: In 2000, NASA began taking satellite images of the Aral Sea in central Asia, which was once the fourth-largest inland lake in the world. At that time, there was an expansive eastern basin, and smaller basins to the north and west. In images recorded just last week, we see that the eastern basin is completely gone, and the western basin just a thin strip of water. The local fishing industry has been devastated, old ship graveyards now rest on dry ground, and salt-heavy sand is being blown around the region, causing health issues.

Most of the lake's decline is attributable to human intervention: "In the 1950s, two of the region's major rivers – the Amu Darya and and the Syr Darya – were diverted by the Soviet government to provide irrigation for cotton production in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, starving the Aral. It has been diminishing ever since, with the sea level dropping 16 meters between 1960 and 1996, according to the World Bank. Water levels are believed to be down to less than 10 per cent of what they were five decades ago." Low levels of rain and snow didn't help.

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  1. The water wars are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Too many meatbags on this Earth. Lake/river water has to be diverted for farming for all the people. There won't be any water left before you know it.

    1. Re:The water wars are coming by swb · · Score: 2

      Won't these ultimately just be energy wars? We won't run out of water, just low energy input drinkable water.

      The fight will be (err, maybe already is) over the energy resources necessary to do stuff like desal and purification.

      And the summary says that the water was diverted for cotton farming which probably is more of a result of some bad central planning goal for self-reliance since most of the Soviet Union isn't great for cotton farming.

    2. Re:The water wars are coming by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Turns out huge amounts of farming doesn't do much good if there's not a large population to feed. Humanity has had plenty of water wars in the past, and it's quite reasonable to say they will in the future.

      But on the technological horizon, there's altered graphene based desalinization. It may be possible to efficiently generate drinking/farming water from the oceans, which will end this problem.

      For now this is an artifact of the whole "China is growing unsustainably" phenomenon, and not some huge trend about the world.

    3. Re:The water wars are coming by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think this particular story is a harbinger of that. Rather, I think it's a story of monumental stupidity caused by a totalitarian government that didn't bother looking forward, and was too eager by half to waggle their technological penises in front of the world.

      The rivers feeding the Aral Sea haven't dried up - just that most of it got diverted to other uses, and the Aral Sea was the unfortunate loser in that bargain.

      I don't disagree that yeah, potable water is going to eventually be a problem as climate slowly shifts and population grows. The climate and population growth are debatable and mostly unknown as to rate, direction and cause, but change they will.

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    4. Re:The water wars are coming by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      E=mc^2, so you might be right. In the end almost any problem can be formulated as an energy problem.

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    5. Re:The water wars are coming by anagama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The water will still be there, but it will be used to benefit people and the organisms we value. There is a finite volume (*) of life the earth can support -- what we're down to is how it ought to be divided and the choice we are making is that the only organisms worth anything, are people, cows, pigs, chickens, and corn. Our population problem is an extremely unpopular topic, but by ignoring it, we will eventually destroy all the interesting biodiversity we have in the world in exchange for a monocrop of people, along with the very few organisms people tend to value, and the diseases and parasites associated with those.

      (*) by weight if you will(**), not individual count.
      (**) differences in body composition make "weight" not exactly accurate as some things have greater density due to the use of different minerals (hard shells or bones as a percent of body mass for example). What can be said is that there is a finite amount of stuff on the earth that can be mixed up in different ways into a finite total amount of life. The question we should ask is, what is a smart or wise percentage of that total, that we humans and the plants/animals we value, should comprise.

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    6. Re:The water wars are coming by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

      And deprive noble farmers of the water they need to grow the crop used to make workman's jumpsuits? You'd have an easier time convincing him to "turn back" on the Ukraine.

    7. Re:The water wars are coming by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      It's not the # of meatbags thats the problem. It's their distribution and quality. Quantity is not really a factor here. Unless you think decreasing Quantity will some how magically increase quality and stop meatbags from distributing themselves poorly again.

      Nope

    8. Re:The water wars are coming by blackomegax · · Score: 2

      Cheap solar pretty much negates energy wars and conflicts. There's enough sunlight to sustain dozens of gigahitlers.

    9. Re:The water wars are coming by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Redundant

      All the water that used to be in the Aral Sea, had to go somewhere. Today it is in the oceans, raising global sea levels by several millimeters.

    10. Re:The water wars are coming by west · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to be too contrarian, but before we declare this an unmitigated disaster, shouldn't the cost of the destruction of the Aral sea be measured against the benefits of provided by the water that used to flow into it?

      I have no idea of the numbers, but if we're talking about the 100,000 people having their livelihood destroyed and their environment destroyed so that millions can proper elsewhere, that might seem to be a fair trade-off to the government.

      After all, I'm a North American, so unless I'm a huge hypocrite and also view North America as an unmitigated disaster, I have admit that the prosperity of my nation has only been achieved by the wholesale destruction of many others (the Native Americans).

      There are *always* trade-offs. Unless we've got an accounting of both the costs and the benefits, who's to say the Aral sea decision was a failure?

    11. Re:The water wars are coming by boristdog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back in my day we calculated war efforts in megapanzers.

    12. Re:The water wars are coming by Kiwikwi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup, this is what you get when a short-sighted totalitarian government messes with the water cycle to enable farming in a desert, consequences be damned.

      Come to think of it, California is what you get when a short-sighted democratic government messes with the water cycle to enable farming in a desert, consequences be damned.

      Let's face it, environmental concerns wasn't really on any government's radar until the 70s. (And a lot of countries still try to ignore them...)

    13. Re:The water wars are coming by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Not in volumes necessary to both do agriculture and keep the area sea basin wet.

    14. Re:The water wars are coming by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even the people that want to restore the lake don't argue the benefits of redirecting the water. The problem is how it's been redirected. The soviets litterally dug trenches through sand to get it where they wanted. It's not in pipes, it's not through pumps. The water travels over sand through an open air canal in the desert. Estimates are that less than 15% of it actually gets to the farm fields. If they fixed the canals they could have both the farm land and the sea.

    15. Re:The water wars are coming by west · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks for the correction. I should have read more deeply.

    16. Re:The water wars are coming by pmontra · · Score: 1

      Before evaporating away most of that water is going into cotton fields in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, diverted from the Amu Darya river into a network of channels. Turkmens are also building lakes in the desert. The latest news I found about that are here.

      As someone already wrote in a comment here, "too many meatbags on the planet", water can't be left alone.

    17. Re:The water wars are coming by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Except it's not democrats.
      The central valley of california, and its elected representatives, are mostly republican.
      Even the few who are not, have to bow to the interests of BigAg if they want to keep their jobs.

      Even more than California, look to the Colorado River.

    18. Re:The water wars are coming by umghhh · · Score: 1

      As has been pointed out elsewhere the major problem with current use of water that used to flow into Aral sea is the way it is distributed with very little being actually used. This and on top of it the rivers and the sea belong to different countries of which none has efficient government (worth noting that efficient is not the same as democratic and even this not what we usually get).

    19. Re:The water wars are coming by ohieaux · · Score: 1

      I believe the commenter used the little "d" to represent a democratically elected government, in contrast to a totalitarian government.

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    20. Re:The water wars are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Southern California is a desert. They're not running out of water, they're running out of water to steal.

    21. Re:The water wars are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      After all, I'm a North American, so unless I'm a huge hypocrite and also view North America as an unmitigated disaster,

      The political indoctrination that you have received has obviously been successful in filling you with an irrational self-loathing. Stop the hate including the self-hatred.

      I have admit that the prosperity of my nation has only been achieved by the wholesale destruction of many others (the Native Americans).

      Careful estimates of pre-Columbian Amerindian populations in what is now the U.S. and Canada have shown that the population of Amerindians today is several times larger than it was before 1492. Amerindians have benefited from modern agriculture just like everyone else. Sure, the Amerindian cultures were mostly wiped-out, but that is no great loss. Amerindians had no written language, built no permanent structures other than a few shapeless burial mounds and the cliff dwelling of the American SW, didn't use the wheel and hadn't domesticated any animals except canines. They were primitive savages who lived in static societies with little or nothing to offer the far more sophisticated and advanced societies of Europe. Contrary to the crap that is taught in schools, Amerindians didn't live in harmony with nature; they lived at the mercy of nature.

      There is no need for you to feel guilty about the conquest of North America. You are not responsible since there is no such thing as blood guilt and conquest is an ever present aspect of the human condition. And don't make the mistake of applying present-day morality to the context of yesteryear or the mistake of mindlessly projecting perfect virtue onto Amerindians. If the Amerindians had the population and technology, they would not have hesitated to travel the Atlantic to conquer Europe.

      who's to say the Aral sea decision was a failure?

      Every analysis that I have ever seen has concluded that what was done to the Aral Sea was phenomenally foolish and short-sighted. Water from the AS was used for canal transportation and irrigation. From the very start it was known that the volume of water being drained exceeded the volume feeding the Sea. The benefits were short-term. The damage is long-term.

    22. Re:The water wars are coming by wired_parrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to be too contrarian, but before we declare this an unmitigated disaster, shouldn't the cost of the destruction of the Aral sea be measured against the benefits of provided by the water that used to flow into it?

      The soviet scientists involved with the water diversion were aware that the Aral sea would eventually dry up. In fact, the decline in sea level was observable from the very beginning. It is true the lake drying up was an intended and foreseen consequence.

      However, what was unforeseen were the ecological consequences of the lake drying up, that has turned the dry lake bed into a salt desert where dust storms kicking up toxic sediments are a common occurrence. Without a large body of water to moderate the weather, nearby communities now experience hotter summers and colder winters. In effect, one desert has been traded for another.

      And while diverting water for agricultural uses might be beneficial, most of the canals used for the diversion are not properly lined, experiencing significant water wastage during transport. And most of this water is being used for water-intensive crops like cotton and rice. Were good irrigation practices used, and if more suitable crops that required less water were used instead, it is likely only a fraction of the water would be needed. It also has to be kept in mind that the economic benefits agricultural irrigation has brought has to be balanced the economic loss resulting from the loss of fishery in the area,loss of tourism (some of the villages were once seaside resorts), and economic hardship resulting from the ecological changes to the landscape

    23. Re:The water wars are coming by jafac · · Score: 1

      Oh, so it's NOT an unmitigated disaster. It's a mitigated disaster. That's much better!

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    24. Re:The water wars are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1) San Francisco uses less water per capita than any large city in the country, and uses less than half that of the state-wide average. See http://sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=760

      2) Agriculture uses 80% of the developed (i.e. captured and diverted) water supply. See http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/lcfs/workgroups/lcfssustain/hanson.pdf

    25. Re:The water wars are coming by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      My grandfather was a geologist, during the oil crisis of the 70s, he essentially said bah, the real problem will be water in the 2000's

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    26. Re:The water wars are coming by west · · Score: 1

      There are other factors in this situation as pointed out just above, but as far as your comment goes, you are *exactly* right.

      Almost every condition of existence is a mitigated disaster.

      The very existence of a modern society has caused untold destruction on the environment. However, the fact that we like being alive is presumably a good that makes our existence a "mitigated disaster".

      So, yes, I'd call a mitigated disaster much better. In fact, that's the best you can hope for, aside from pretending the people who feel it's a disaster don't count.

      After all, *everything* has a cost.

    27. Re:The water wars are coming by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It's not the # of meatbags thats the problem. It's their distribution and quality. Quantity is not really a factor here. Unless you think decreasing Quantity will some how magically increase quality and stop meatbags from distributing themselves poorly again.

      Nope

      Well yes, it's those other low-quallity people over there that has to reduce their population, not us high-quality people here!

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    28. Re:The water wars are coming by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Aral Sea is now split between Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan; Russia is not involved anymore.

    29. Re:The water wars are coming by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I think the question is, given when it was done and the resources the country had at that time, could it be done right back then on the same or otherwise reasonable timeframe?

      Obviously, it can be fixed now, but it sounds like it's way too late for that to have a meaningful effect.

    30. Re:The water wars are coming by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Water was not diverted directly from the sea. It was diverted from the rivers that feed the sea, and it's still being diverted (the rivers are not going away any time soon), so the benefits remain - what's "short term" about them?

    31. Re:The water wars are coming by Do+You+Smell+That · · Score: 1

      I see your point, but it makes me think... how do you propose to "fix the canals"? Cement the bottom better, or close-over the top? I ask, because I truly don't know the sources of the loss, but....

      ...if the loss is mostly into the air (evaporation), I agree, that sucks (unless the rain stays somewhat local). I wonder though how many acres of land are "accidentally" watered by seepage/waste/runoff/spillover/outward-gradual-soil-moistening. I'd imagine lots of creatures are making new homes along the shore in previously scrappy (from your description) land. Granted (to play devil's advocate against myself), my gut tells me that (a) it's likely opportunists (weeds and annoying creatures) moving in along the canal, (b) some nice native creatures are being pushed out of their "desert paradise" and (c) it's probably still more net harm than good... I just think it's worth thinking about the upsides of "inefficient water transport" ;-)

      Sorry, just in that kind of mood today.

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    32. Re:The water wars are coming by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But on the technological horizon, there's altered graphene based desalinization. It may be possible to efficiently generate drinking/farming water from the oceans, which will end this problem.

      Which ocean are you going to take your water for desalinisation into the Aral Sea area from? The Indian, Arctic, or Pacific? (I wouldn't waste time trying to take it from the Caspian, Black or Mediterranean seas - the Caspian is already isolated and you'd just move the problem ; and the others are at the far end of literal bottlenecks at Gibraltar and Istanbul. Same argument for Persian Gulf and Hormuz)

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  2. Stop blaming the Soviets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Soviet Union is dead 15 years ago. The situation has progressively gotten worse as MORE, not less water was diverted.

    The current fuckup has little to do with what the Soviet Union's master plan was in 1960s and can be blamed 100% on what people continued to do in more recent years.

    Anyway, just read the wikipedia page on it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

    1. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by pastafazou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do you declare it a fuckup? They diverted the water, and now have farmland where before they had desert. That was their plan. If you're telling me that they wanted farmland in the desert as well as the Aral Sea to stay the same, then yes it was a fuckup. But I don't think that was the intention.

    2. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by tbuddy · · Score: 2

      Perhaps to you, but to Russia at the time they valued the industry over nature. I'm sure now that the area affected is no longer part of Russia they have no intention to get rid of farmland to improve nature in countries they no longer control.

    3. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an environmentalist, that's so incredibly simplistic, I'd almost call this post an attempt at parodying environmentalist positions. Luckily I'm aware that people who sometimes agree with me do so for simplistic reasons.

      Organized, structured, large scale farming does less ecological and environmental harm than the people those farms would feed instead scrounging for food or running ad-hoc microfarms. Not to mention the human costs to those changes, like malnutrition and economic loss.

      Now, if we pave every forest, turn every grassland into grazeland for cattle, and net every fish in the ocean, we've fucked up. We've fucked up badly. Good environmentalism is about being stewards who recognize our planetary ecosystems are irreplaceable and providing incredible value to us as a species, as well as the unique and unmeasurable quality that each species and ecosystem represents that can never be replaced once gone.

      No one is saying you can't worship nature as some manifestation of perfection, just that we'll take it as seriously as we take any other religion.

    4. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

      * salt is ruining the "farmland" because the entire water table is rising along with the salt that is in the soil
      * salt from the Aral Sea is blowing around, ruining more "farmland"
      * short term gain, for long term pain? That always is nice.
      * the area used to be a resort area with booming fishing, now, it's a desert with stunted farm crops.

      You see, there are proper ways to farm in that area, inappropriate ways and then there are the truly fucked up ways to farm. They picked the last - irrigation that wastes 90% of its water, ruining the little soil that there was in the process. Wrong crops, wrong farming methods.

      When farming in that area, you have to be very careful not to increase salinity. They have done exactly the opposite with the fuckup that exists there right now. Not only ruined the Aral Sea, but they ruined the irrigated soil too.

      Soviet Union's "grand planners" did not know what they were doing, but they recognized some of their mistakes. The locals did not and still have their heads buried in the salt flats they created.

      If there is a postcard on how to destroy the environment, it would be the Aral Sea.

      PS. At around that time, USA had similar grand plans as Soviet Union. The only thing that prevented US from getting them done was money. USSR not always cared about short term monetary issues like USA. For example of plans in USA, see NAWAPA.

    5. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      nature is so much worth than farming.

      So stop eating farmed food. Or stop being a hypocrite - either would be acceptable.

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    6. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with MaiseMan - your comment is entirely too sane and rational to be on /. discussing a hotbutton issue.

      So, who are you really, and what have you done with i kan reed?

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    7. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by umghhh · · Score: 1

      It is a fuckup not because of nature but because of the way it was done (most of diverted water does not reach the fields it was diverted to irrigate) as well as deadly consequences the dust from dried bottom of what used to be Aral sea has on people living in the area. Nature itself is complex. That is why making the trade Aral sea for some cotton is not a good deal.

    8. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by brianerst · · Score: 2

      According to the linked Wiki article:

      The disappearance of the lake was no surprise to the Soviets; they expected it to happen long before. As early as 1964, Aleksandr Asarin at the Hydroproject Institute pointed out that the lake was doomed, explaining, "It was part of the five-year plans, approved by the council of ministers and the Politburo. Nobody on a lower level would dare to say a word contradicting those plans, even if it was the fate of the Aral Sea."

      So the plan from the beginning was to have the Aral Sea disappear.

      Some Soviet experts apparently considered the Aral to be "nature's error", and a Soviet engineer said in 1968, "it is obvious to everyone that the evaporation of the Aral Sea is inevitable."

      In fact, it seems that "some" Soviets considered the Aral Sea an "error" to be corrected.

      From 1960 to 1998, the sea's surface area shrank by about 60%, and its volume by 80%. In 1960, the Aral Sea had been the world's fourth-largest lake, with an area around 68,000 km2 (26,000 sq mi) and a volume of 1,100 km3 (260 cu mi); by 1998, it had dropped to 28,687 km2 (11,076 sq mi) and eighth largest. Over the same time period, its salinity increased from about 10 g/l to about 45 g/l.

      In 1987, the continuing shrinkage split the lake into two separate bodies of water, the North Aral Sea (the Lesser Sea, or Small Aral Sea) and the South Aral Sea (the Greater Sea, or Large Aral Sea).

      So, by the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, 80% of the lake was gone and had already split into several smaller lakes.

      So, yeah, I think we can blame the Soviets. That it is now hard to reverse the facts on the ground is to be expected.

    9. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      You know I get one of these "Hey! You're acting sane for once." posts almost every day, right? You can see why that might not help shape the impression you're so clearly striving for(i.e. getting me to ask myself why I don't always act sane), I hope.

    10. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Nobody needs to parody environmentalist positions. They parody themselves. Have you read their websites recently? They want to turn all of North America dark because evidently we're bad people who deserve to be punished. Seriously, you haven't read their opinions? That's awfully ignorant for such an educated person.

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    11. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Luckily I'm aware that people who sometimes agree with me do so for simplistic reasons.

      I think I already addressed concerns like yours in my post.

    12. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Actually, I wasn't referring to you being sane for once. I was referring to slashdotters in general not usually being sane. I had to look back to see what your handle was when I reached that point in composing the comment, because I had no idea who'd posted the sane and rational comment - I was just surprised to see one on a hotbutton issue at all....

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    13. Re:Stop blaming the Soviets by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Oh, well, I do get those messages about once every other day. So you'll forgive me seeing you as Yet Another Person Doing It, right?

  3. Re:So it is not? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    The old Soviet Union did enough ecological damage without having to hang that subject on it...

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  4. Re:what, no man made global warming? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    If you think about it, The Great Salt Lake is staring at the same issue (albeit on a longer timescale).

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  5. Re:So it is not? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    The only good part about this is that it is theoretically reversible, although politically that's probably not going to happen because there are a lot of people who depend on the diverted water.

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  6. This ain't good by Jonifico · · Score: 1

    What a shame. All this destruction for a few years worth of money. I suppose we're getting what we deserve, anyway.

  7. The Day Lasts More than a Hundred Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Read Atimatov's book and you will get a feeling for what splendor the Aral Sea was.
    And just so recently do to human avarice has it been utterly destroyed.

    The hard questions now are:
    How much money has been drained away in restoration efforts to date?
    How much money will be drained away in more failed restoration efforts?

    We just keep taking and giving only poison back.
    This is just more proof we do not deserve to be curators of this fantastic place.
    Humans are hideous and ignorant not by nature, but by pure choice.

  8. Check Out Lake Powell by Toad-san · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.g...

    Quite startling, how the water levels change. But read the article to see why this is happening, and where it's going. It seems it doesn't take a "totalitarian government" to do stupid, short-sighted things. But hey, enjoy your golf at Vegas, hear? And the water shows.

    1. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      404.

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    2. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the proper link:

      http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/lake_powell.php

    3. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a working link, as provided by the AC here.

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    4. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Actual link:

      http://earthobservatory.nasa.g...

      That's because of drought, not because of something stupid and short sighted.

    5. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      seems like it doesn't take a totalitarian government to do stupid things like putting ... in an URL on /. either

    6. Re:Check Out Lake Powell by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Lake Powell is an artificial reservoir. Without the government that built Glen Canyon Dam, the "lake" wouldn't exist at all.

  9. Re:National Geographic by biptoe · · Score: 1

    Looking at what?

  10. Re:National Geographic by biptoe · · Score: 1

    Subliminal thought?

  11. Kill two birds with one stone by harborpirate · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it's economically impractical, but it strikes me that filling some of the worlds emptying water basins by towing large antarctic icebergs to a nearby port and then breaking them up for shipment is a win-win scenario.

    Obvious downside: fossil fuel use to get water where it is most useful may exacerbate the problem over time.

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    1. Re:Kill two birds with one stone by swb · · Score: 1

      Why not use the fuel instead to pump and desalinate ocean water?

      The Aral is problematic because it's far from the ocean, but you could pump and desal from the Black Sea to the Caspian and then pump from Caspian to Aral. It'd be 600 miles or so of total pipeline, but it would really depend on how much you could desal and pump and if that volume would even make a difference.

    2. Re:Kill two birds with one stone by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Obvious downside: fossil fuel use to get water where it is most useful may exacerbate the problem over time.

      We know just fine how to build nuclear-powered ocean vessels. Maybe Congress can give the corporate welfare to the MIC to build iceberg haulers instead of battleships.

      Since we're on the subject, does anybody know how to calculate the centripetal and gravity effects of a long-range tunnel bored through the earth's crust? I suspect there must be a maximum achievable tunnel length but also maybe the rotation of the Earth could be used for pumping energy, depending on direction.

      It might just be easier, though, to warm to environment and have some of Antartica melt again, and re-humidify the atmosphere. People cannot seem to wrap their heads around the ice sheets, but if you told them there was a hole bigger than the United States filled with 500 feet of fresh water that was locked away from the atmosphere - that they could get. Even fewer can understand that the oceans have risen 120m in the past 20,000 years - geologists aren't welcome in the mainstream (pundits won't even accept those graphs in the IPCC reports).

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    3. Re:Kill two birds with one stone by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      We know just fine how to build nuclear-powered ocean vessels. Maybe Congress can give the corporate welfare to the MIC to build iceberg haulers instead of battleships.

      Two things:

      1) noone has ever built a nuclear-powered battleship.

      2) noone has built a battleship at all since WW2.

      Okay, three things: if you want to use nuclear power to tow icebergs, how about using nuclear power to desalinate seawater instead? Saves you the trouble of having to build a ship around your nuclear power plant....

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    4. Re:Kill two birds with one stone by geert · · Score: 1

      Okay, three things: if you want to use nuclear power to tow icebergs, how about using nuclear power to desalinate seawater instead? Saves you the trouble of having to build a ship around your nuclear power plant....

      They used to have one "in the neighborhood"...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BN-350_reactor

  12. Re:National Geographic by grub · · Score: 2

    "Are you looking at saggy tribal titties again, Anon?"
    "No, mommy, I'm looking at -flip flip flip- the Aral Sea."

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  13. Mono Lake by Jerrry · · Score: 4, Informative

    The same thing is happening to Mono Lake in California. The city of Los Angeles has been diverting the streams that feed the lake for decades and it's slowly drying up.

    1. Re:Mono Lake by chgros · · Score: 2

      Actually Mono Lake has been protected and its water level is currently going up.

  14. Mediterranean is gonna dry up also by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Not too long ago some tectonic events raised the land under Gibraltar and the Med was cut off from the Atlantic. Turns out, the freshwater flows from rivers into the Med is nowhere near enough to sustain its current size. Without a water connection to the Atlantic, the Mediterranean Sea dried up.

    It can happen again at any time. The Mediterranean's existence is always in danger.

    (and no, carbon emissions and AGW had nothing to do with it)

    1. Re:Mediterranean is gonna dry up also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not on our watch.

      While the technology exists to cut the Gibraltar channel deeper as needed it will get done. So long as there are still people to hold the shovels it will get done.

  15. Re:National Geographic by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    And your kids will be able to read about the same thing happening to Lake Mead if things don't change :-(

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  16. Cotton is a big culprit by l2718 · · Score: 1

    Cotton is an extremely water-intensive crop. Until quite recently it was pushed on developing economies as an "export crop" for industrialized agriculture, replacing local food prodcution. This has generally been a disaster. For water-poor countries, growing cotton for export amounts to exporting expensive water to water-rich countires.

    Diverting water for agriculture simply makes no sense. It is cheaper and more efficient to import the end product.

  17. Thanks by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

    That is a reasonable and nuanced position that clearly required you to think about the issue at hand... are you new here? (Clearly not given your UID but it's the traditional joke to make.)

    1. Re:Thanks by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      At one time there were more reasonable and nuanced positions on Slashdot...you must be new here.

  18. Re:National Geographic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And NASA have been taking satellite images of it since a bit before 2000 too. E.g. 1977

  19. I call bullshit.. by monkeyFuzz · · Score: 1

    Organized, structured, large scale farming does less ecological and environmental harm than the people those farms would feed instead scrounging for food or running ad-hoc microfarms.

    Can you provide citations for this?

    1. Re:I call bullshit.. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1, Funny

      Can you provide citations for this?

      Everybody knows that if you grow most of your own food on a 1/4 acre of yard, it's much worse for the environment than if you hire a company to maintain a pristine lawn there and drive down to the Whole Foods in your SUV to buy produce flown in from Chile.

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    2. Re:I call bullshit.. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the very divided urban/rural China here, not the US where we have widespread suburban recreational agriculture like you're describing. Urban Sprawl is a monstrosity caused by all sorts of poorly reasoned policies, and in the US it's probably the single biggest source of unnecessary environmental harm.

      As for a general scientific citation about the costs of microfarming versus organized industrial scale farming I'm going to have to say I don't have one. For multiple reasons, the first people that "environmental harm" is a subjective measure that only appears in aggregate for an entire eco system, and also because I'm not aware of anyone trying to study any of the more objective measures specifically with respect to it.

      As an argument by example, however, I'd point at the economic and environmental differences between Haiti and the Dominican republic as an example. Just look at the border on google maps

    3. Re:I call bullshit.. by monkeyFuzz · · Score: 1

      As for a general scientific citation about the costs of microfarming versus organized industrial scale farming I'm going to have to say I don't have one.

      In other words...bullshit. I do appreciate the honesty all the same, albeit buried within other irrelevant drivel.

    4. Re:I call bullshit.. by LienRag · · Score: 1

      The problem in Haïti is not microfarming, it's microfarming done after the destruction of peasantry... (or to be more precise, destruction of the peasant's "système agraire")

  20. Too many other lakes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is happening to too many lakes around the world. I visited Brazil this past August, and while visiting family, someone wanted to show me something.

    We got in the car and drove to a lake/reservoir, one of the largest in Brazil (Represa de Furnas). I had been there before, and knew what it was supposed to look like. We arrived, and drove out past the normal shoreline, and onward about a half mile before we reached the lake's current extent.

    It's truly shocking in person - and to start putting this together with the Aral Sea, and all of the others that have been mentioned - it sure makes me feel like something BIG and BAD is happening, even if no one knows it yet.

    We went to another location on the Represa de Furnas, where we ate at a restaurant where the building is normally being lapped by waves. After I ate, I went down to the current level of the shore and took pictures of where the water should be - about 30 feet over my head.

    Keep in mind, this is not a puddle either - 1440 square kilometers (3500 km perimeter) - and the level is down like 10 meters. It's unreal. I won't try the math, but billions of gallons short sounds plausible.

    I don't know what's going to happen, but these problems are much closer to the surface than many imagine.

  21. On the bright side... by TheSync · · Score: 1

    Burning Man Uzbekistan 2015!

    Build your camp in one of our rusting ship hulks laying on the playa!

  22. Too many other lakes... by jamesborr · · Score: 1

    2 things to note: Represa de Furnas is a reservoir -- which didn't exist until man created it in 1957. The Aral Sea is a natural feature, and to give some perspective on how much water was diverted, one could transfer all the water from Lake Erie and Lake Ontario (Great Lakes) and still not refill it...

  23. Re:National Geographic by TWX · · Score: 1

    Lake Mead is an artificial lake, created by the construction of the Hoover Dam. With the presence of that dam its size can be regulated. Creation of the lake was a byproduct of the benefits of having the dam, not the specific intent of the project in the first place.

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  24. Re:So it is not? by peragrin · · Score: 1

    Not quite but if they rebuilt the canals using concrete instead of sand it would retore part of the lake.

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  25. Re:National Geographic by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
    Except that lately Lake Mead has been shrinking, because of water being drawn from it by people. When it shrinks too far, where are those people going to get their water from? Las Vegas will become a ghost town without water from Lake Mead. An interesting read.

    Changing rainfall patterns, climate variability, high levels of evaporation, reduced snow melt runoff, and current water use patterns are putting pressure on water management resources at Lake Mead as the population relying on it for water and the Hoover Dam for electricity continues to increase. A 2008 paper in Water Resources Research states that at current usage allocation and projected climate trends, there is a 50% chance that live storage in lakes Mead and Powell will be gone by 2021, and that the reservoir could drop below minimum power pool elevation of 1,050 feet (320 m) as early as 2017. Although water levels in the lake rose by more than 30 ft (9.1 m) in 2011 due to a rainy winter and increased snowfall in the Rocky Mountains,[15] it appears highly unlikely that the prevailing pattern of drought will change to precipitation surcharge in a time frame shorter than that in which the lake level will fall below the dead storage level of the downstream diversion and hydro-power intake tunnels.

    There's worse, if you google "lake mead drying up."

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  26. Re:National Geographic by itzly · · Score: 1

    The intent of the project was to ensure a constant water flow. A big reservoir is a prerequisite for that.

  27. Re:What's happened to Slashdot? by Gavrielkay · · Score: 1

    I'd say the number of comments on this article proves that it is of interest to geeks. Do you think geeks should be uninterested in the goings on in the world?

  28. Salton Sea by slew · · Score: 1

    Actually, there are many of these bodies of water around (prehistoric endorheic basins including the Caspian Sea and the Great Salt Lake). But I think the Aral sea situation is more akin to the Salton Sea... The Salton and the Aral sea are that have recently had their replenishing flows restricted by agriculture.

    1. Re:Salton Sea by BBF_BBF · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that the Salton Sea was naturally formed?
      According to wikipedia, It was formed by an accident in 1905 which overflowed the canals carrying Colorado River water to California, so THERE ARE NO NATURAL replenishing flows for the Salton sea because it is NOT NATURAL.

      The Salton Sea is an example of Man's impact on nature. Once was a vast stretch of desert, now is a fetid lake.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Salton Sea by slew · · Score: 1

      Even the Wikipedia asserts that the basin where the Salton sea wasn't some prehistoric stretch of desert that we somehow man has converted to a lake, it has been the location of a lake on-and off (every 100K years or so), for the last million or so years... For example, Lake Cahuilla

      Like nearly all endorheic basins, in prehistoric times, the Salton basin was periodically filled by water from rain. It is generally thought that in pre-historical times, the Salton basin took water from the Alamo and Nuevo rivers beds which periodically nearly run dry.

      AFAIK, in historic times, a lake in the Salton Basin existed in some form in 1884, 1891, 1892, and 1895 due to seasonal Colorado river flooding into the Alamo and Nuevo river beds...

      However, in 1900 a canal (the Alamo canal) cut for irrigation purposes to improve the flow between the Colorado and Alamo river. This canal eventually silted up. The so-called "accident" was actually a deliberate attempt in 1904 to rectify this by cutting a breach in the bank of the Colorado river to feed the canal . Seasonal flooding of the Colorado river from heavy rains over a few years after this breach was created diverted nearly all the water that formed the current Salton Sea until that breach was reversed. Of course after the construction of Hoover Dam, that portion of the Colorado river generally doesn't flood any more and the controlled flows through the Alamo and Nuevo rivers beds generally aren't high enough to keep the Salton Sea from receding which means in some sense, the Hoover dam is actually killing that Salton Sea in it's current incarnation.

      In some sense, Man's actions in this case are likely somewhat akin to small blip in the timing of the on-going geological-time formation and destruction of new lakes in the ancient Salton Basin, and far from being some Man-made ecological disaster (unlike some nuclear plant disaster, or a coal ash spill) if that is what you are implying...

  29. Re:What's happened to Slashdot? by ari_j · · Score: 1

    The number of comments just proves that number of people who read about this in mainstream media several days ago when it was trending on Facebook but who had to wait for Slashdot to catch up to the trend before they could say anything about it that someone else might read.

    The fact that it is trending on Facebook this week proves something else, which is that most people think the Aral Sea is a big circle as shown on most world maps and globes and had no idea that the Soviets had diverted its main sources, leading to its shrinkage, about 50 years ago. I admit that I suffered the same ignorance, although I learned about this a few years ago before it was cool and I suspect that I am not the only one whose sole surprise from this story is that it is so popular to talk about this week all the sudden.

    The use of the term "inland lake" in the summary proves that no nerds were even involved in getting this article onto Slashdot's front page. A real nerd would not distinguish between inland lakes and all of those lakes in the middle of the ocean.

  30. Owens Lake by Bratch · · Score: 1

    And let's not forget what the City of Los Angeles did to Owens Lake. " ... in 2013, it is the largest single source of dust pollution in the United States."

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  31. simple solution by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    Just blow up the diversion made by the sovjets and let the rivers flow it's original course..

  32. Re:National Geographic by rioki · · Score: 1

    No mom, I am looking at those little cute birds...

  33. Contrarian by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Always two sides to every story. The opposite, yet similar situation is when rivers are dammed up for hydro power, this usually "destroys" the land behind it with flooding to form a reservoir. In extreme examples like the diversion above which are monumental engineering feats you have the huge dam in China that swallowed up huge tracts of land including whole villages. Again, measured negative VS positive...

    Even in smaller situations you have issues with wildlife ecology destruction, and native issues... There will never be projects like this without impact.

    The pertinent question is more, was it done well, and were their unforeseen outcomes (like toxic dust from the salt flats).

  34. FTFY by BadPirate · · Score: 1

    "Are you looking at saggy tribal titties again, Anon?"

    "No, mommy, I'm looking at -fap fap fap- the Aral Sea."

    Of course that only lasted until I discovered you could subscribe your parents to magazines without them knowing and the Victoria Secrets started showing up.

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