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Samsung Paid Microsoft $1 Billion Last Year In Android Royalties
An anonymous reader writes: According to recently unsealed court filings, Samsung Electronics paid Microsoft more than $1 billion in annual fees to use patented Microsoft technology in Samsung's Android phones. The patent treasures include methods for displaying multiple windows in a Web browser. "Samsung originally signed its patent deal with Microsoft in 2011, ahead of its impressive dominance of Android shipments, but late last year Samsung decided it was tired of paying on time, or paying interest when a late payment was finally made. Microsoft has taken Samsung to court over the issues, and the Korean company insists it wants to walk away from the original deal because of Microsoft’s purchase of Nokia’s phone business. Samsung claims the acquisition invalidates the cross-licensing IP agreement, but Microsoft doesnt agree and wants the company to pay $6.9 million in unpaid interest from last year."
When has google sued someone for software patent infringement? i can't recall a single case that wasn't in self defense.
Microsoft on the other hand, has been known for suing outright as well as shady deals like SCO, Nokia and other scummy tactics.
Luckily, Microsoft is circling the toilet bowl and won't be relevant years from now.
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What the large monies paid by Samsung indicates is the enormous mindshare and marketshare for Android. Windows on the mobile and tablet space is non-existent. For some years Microsoft might make money out of Android sales using these patent threats, being the litigious thugs they are.
But in a few years - say three at the max, Android makers will realise that these patents are really worthless, and back away from their agreements.
In any case a few billions in patent royalty is pocket change for Microsoft, and their bloated manpower will plunge them into the death spiral since Windows is becoming fast irrelevant in the only space it serves - viz, the desktop.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
For all those preaching for a united Linux to face off against the gorilla, it is the diversity which has kept Linux alive.
Yep, pretty much every article references Google being sued or countersuing after being sued.
That said I did use google to search so the results could be biased. :)
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I don't know if you missed it, but it clearly says "STRIKES BACK."
Apple has been a patent lawsuit asshole every since Android roflstomped them in the market.
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Having not used a Microsoft product since DOS 6 upgrade, this is a reason I can not buy an android phone. However, I have a excellent Jolla phone so not a major problem. http://stevesstats.blogspot.co... Microsoft should sue Google if they believe they are being hard dun by, and not blackmail.
Technically, does that make Microsoft a patent troll?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
"On a computer" is a magical phrase. If no one has patented it yet, it's fair game - everything on a computer is novel to the patent office.
Not anymore since the US Supreme Court's verdict in Alice Corp. v. CLS Bank.
Luckily, Microsoft is circling the toilet bowl and won't be relevant years from now.
Man, I wish I could be circling the drain with $22 billions in profit in the last 12 months. The smartphone/tablet explosion has led to a decline in the PC market but it's still 80-90% of the max volume with Microsoft still having a 90%+ PC market share. Sure, they'd like a do-over to make even more money in the phone/tablet market but they're very, very far from hurting. And unless any of the major Android manufacturers decide to get serious about x86 then Microsoft and Intel will still be allies in the struggle against Android/Apple, which is to their advantage. I think you vastly underestimate what it takes to kill a mega-corporation like that, AMD took a good stab at Intel yet lost eventually. And even if they do fail, they'll take much longer than that to die and wither away. At least those who don't have Elop as a CEO, Microsoft might have dodged a bullet there...
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The "patents" have been revealed in recent times and are not very good quality, esp. in light of the in re Bilsky decision by the Supreme Court. Quite simply put, they're paying danegeld to Microsoft in exchange for avoiding a costly litigation- the thing is...now they're in one anyhow. So they should man up and butt heads with Microsoft and do in this extortion bullshit once and for all.
I also think that this has nothing to do with MS or the royalties to MS. I think it has to do with Apple. Samsung, for some reason, gave MS a sweetheart deal on the thinnest of evidence. Samsung did not go to court, wait for google, but just paid MS a reletively large amount of cash for every handset sold. This tells me that there was so backroom negotiations going on, possible lawfully questionable negotiations. This, probably, is negatively effecting the Apple situation because if they were so eager to give MS money, why are they fighting Apple on claims that are at least as good? Which means that whatever possible underhanded deal Samsung made with MS is no longer paying off.
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The smartphone/tablet explosion has led to a decline in the PC market but it's still 80-90% of the max volume with Microsoft still having a 90%+ PC market share.
Problem is the PC market is long saturated and now showing obvious signs of decline. Meanwhile, Microsoft has little to no presence in ANYTHING that is replacing it. Think what Apple was prior to iPod/Pad/Phone; that's Microsoft's future if things continue on the present course.
And unless any of the major Android manufacturers decide to get serious about x86 then Microsoft and Intel will still be allies in the struggle against Android/Apple
From what I understand, Intel is working towards riding the Android train, and they supposedly have more engineers working on Android than even Google does. Their idea is to have x86 eventually replace ARM as the de-facto architecture of Android, which involves a two way race of getting Android to run more efficiently on x86, and then build x86 to be more energy efficient than ARM. It seems they already have a lot invested into both of those races.
Also, HP seems to be pushing rather aggressively to have Android run on business desktop systems. Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer seem to have similar goals, though not as much as HP.
By that logic, Intel will always have a noose around its neck now, because x64 architecture is also known after its inventor and patent holder: amd64.
Intel's 64 bit architecture, IA64 is more commonly remembered by the nick name of its only CPU: Itanic.
And x64 will remain extremely important for foreseeable future.
Don't forget that AMD has created the X86_64 instruction set, forcing Intel to cross-license the X86 and X86_64 instruction set forever with AMD. This is a extremely important step as 32 bits only X85 chips is close to be irrelevant, even if Windows OS market is so retarded that many of it users still don't use 64 bits OS. On the other hand, ARM64 will possibly be the next big problem for Intel in the server market, after it has basically completely lost the embedded market to 32 bits ARM. AMD has choose to play with each instruction set, and this could be a winning strategy in the future.
Our phones would cost half as much if not for them.
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You know, if the iMac had a touch screen, they could justify the thing being so damn heavy.
PCs will become big screened tablets, with a keyboard and a mouse. They already are, and are extremely practical. I don't know why Apple is holding off.
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Problem is the PC market is long saturated and now showing obvious signs of decline.
The PC market was not saturated, until tablets came along they were growing along with the growing digitization of the world. It declined as the western world bought their first tablet instead of a new laptop, very many now have both and the decline is almost stopped as predictions are -3% or so for the PC market in 2014. The indications are that the world is still in a booming need for more "computing devices" like smart phones, tablets and PCs with smart phones and tablets stealing all the growth while the PC market is almost flat. Of course that means Microsoft is becoming an increasingly smaller piece of a bigger pie, but that's not even remotely the same.
From what I understand, Intel is working towards riding the Android train
Obviously Intel wants that, but so far with very limited success. Remember that there are forces on the ARM side like Samsung had have significant interests in excluding Intel, so it might not be so simple. Also if x86 becomes dominant Google might not like having a hardware supplier with such great control of the market. Microsoft has tried the other way too with WinRT and failed, if they can win the market they're hogtied to x86 which Intel would prefer. Clawing their way into the Android market with x86 chips is a plan B, but Intel has the luxury of pursuing both at once. Creating a new "Wintel" monopoly is plan A, if Microsoft can pull off the software side.
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Only patent holders suing everyone for the right to never produce anything.
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"late last year Samsung decided it was tired of paying on time, or paying interest when a late payment was finally made."
Microsoft own Nokia now which interfaces with their precious Samsung offering Windows phone. I've seen the same pettiness from their popular mobile messenger application - Kakao Talk. It now doesn't get updated on Windows Mobile.
Maybe Microsoft should just throw their shit country overboard. It's a country completely run on pirate versions of Windows in academia, government and the home. Time to throw those parasitic dogs overboard really.
From what I understand, Intel is working towards riding the Android train, and they supposedly have more engineers working on Android than even Google does. ...
That's not hard. HTC even has had more software engineers working on Android than Google does, for far longer than Intel has. Google seems to think that if it increases the number of developers working on the Android team, it could make things worse.
This is not to say that your main point is not valid. It is. Intel is indeed investing heavily on Android. And thank god that it has. The much faster x86 Intel emulator has actually been a life saver for many Android Developers.
x86 is intel's bread and butter. that noose is fairly weak, and they do pay for x86-64, but for how long. AMD is not a viable competitor to intel. Its really not. Intel makes the better chips, and has for a long time, and this is not relivant to change anyttime soon. Your also forgetting patents run out in 17 years.
>AMD64 was created as an alternative to the radically different IA-64 architecture, which was designed by Intel and Hewlett Packard. Originally announced in 1999[11] with a full specification in August 2000
we are more than halfway through the life of the patent. There isn't a change in hell intel will feel threatend before that patent expires. Lets set the date of the patent at 2003 when the chips first ship. Patent is done in 2020
Not to mention there are dozens of other patents on things like instruction sets which are just as important as x86-64 to modern computers. Intel owns a fair share, and AMD can't revoke AMD64 without loosing its cross licensed patents it gets from intel.
That's a stupid bet. Why not create their own ARM chips from scratch? The ARM instruction set itself is not owned by ARM.
Table-ized A.I.
Not sure which part of ur comment you are being modded insightful for. Both are depending on your bias.
However x86 patents will expire much sooner than x64 ones will. Which makes the noose far, FAR more powerful in comparison.
Plus you can use your pentium 4 laptop as a heater and hair dryer In a pinch. Take THAT modern laptops!
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If they try for monopoly or nothing, they may end up with nothing if x86 dies.
Table-ized A.I.
the original x86 patents are long gone. There is a giant cross license scheme between AMD and Intel, with Intel having the upper hand.
Microsoft is still growing significantly, and Windows is not their biggest business.
Blackberry was still growing at a time when Android had already owned the market. The reason why is because the market itself was growing much faster. That fact didn't save them when their future prospects dried up though. Desktop systems are no longer the future consumer grade technology.
That doesn't mean desktops will go away, rather they'll eventually become the same as what feature phones currently are to smartphones. You know who dominated the feature phone space until recently? Nokia.
Also, HP seems to be pushing rather aggressively to have Android run on business desktop systems. Lenovo, ASUS, and Acer seem to have similar goals, though not as much as HP.
This! This is what will be the downfall of Microsoft. It will be sudden and it will final. Microsoft burned ALL of their bridges getting to where they are now. Once the business desktop is lost, the rest of it will fall for Microsoft within a few years. They have a small prayer of staying alive with their Microsoft Office line of software after that... but I would not bet on it.
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I'm not predicting Microsoft's demise, rather just saying that they'll step out of the limelight. Even during its worst years of slowest growth, Apple was still a multi-billion dollar company.
At any rate, Microsoft already are no longer the dominant consumer OS vendor; that crown now belongs to Google as Android alone (not even counting chrome OS) already runs on more devices than Windows, iOS, and OSX combined.
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