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The Single Vigilante Behind Facebook's 'Real Name' Crackdown

Molly McHugh sends this story from Daily Dot: When Facebook issued an apology this week for suspending user accounts that had what it alleged to be fake names, it pinned the whole debacle on one person. This "individual," Facebook reasoned, sewed confusion into its flawed reporting system—intended to protect against bullying and online abuse. Facebook Chief Product Officer Chris Cox explains that Facebook was caught “off guard” by a lone actor who reported “several hundred” accounts as fake. According to our source, who claims to have spent "hours and hours" systematically reporting Facebook users from the drag community and beyond, thousands of accounts were suspended—and they've been at it for weeks. ... Given the timing and the accounts suspended, they believe that they are in fact the mystery "individual" who threw a wrench into Facebook's system, noted in Facebook's explanation of the events. "Considering the hours and hours I spent reporting accounts over the course of the past month, it is likely that I am."

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  1. TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:
    "Oh no I'm very serious. Spent most of my time at work past 3 days reporting Queens."

    Considering I spend my Friday midnight completing shellshock patches to keep this planet running ... Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

    1. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

      That would be all of us - the world got by just fine before our species even existed, and likely will again when it's gone.

    2. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Useless" and "essential" are not the same thing.

    3. Re:TFA by quenda · · Score: 5, Funny

      - the world got by just fine before our species even existed, and likely will again when it's gone.

      How can the world get by, when noone is there to anthropomorphise it?

    4. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry sunshine. In a real professional environment, we don't [b]use[/b] debian systems much less use package managers unless the location of the patches are managed in the environment. Plus with hundreds of servers and applications that might be affected, additional testing to make sure things still work after the update is applied is necessary. It's taken us a week to get patches out just to our internet facing systems. We're still waiting on engineering to approve the updates as not impacting production applications.

    5. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LOL. OK Cowboy, you sure know what you're talking about, right? Patch 'em up! Move 'em out! I got places to see and people to do, or something. You seriously have no clue what you're talking about if you think a Fortune 500 company's just gonna blat out a patch untested across their environment and call it a day. You know how I can tell you've never had to deal with a regulator or the SEC? Jesus H. Effing Christ, man. No doubt you'd be the first body on the dogpile when a Wall Street firm did use apt and applied a bunch of patches and broke something. "They should have proper controls and testing! Duh! *Everyone* knows that."

  2. What an asshole by blankinthefill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see what this person could have to gain from this other than just being a dickhead. Heaven forbid someone be different from what your approved normal is. What a pathetic jerk.

    1. Re:What an asshole by Teresita · · Score: 4, Informative

      The late unlamented Fred Phelps and his crew took any expression of disgust and outrage against him as evidence they were doing the Lord's work. That's how these folks think.

    2. Re:What an asshole by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Picking on the LGBT community with this is probably the most effective way of combatting the policy ...

    3. Re:What an asshole by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's a "real name"? The name that you insist everyone calls you would be my definition. "Don't call me by my government"

      Real name policies are BS anyhow - very Western Firstname Lastname centric, ignorant of cultures where the only unique name for someone is the list of all the names they're known by (which, as you might imagine, makes printed phone books less than useful).

      One of the great truisms of software development is that there's no universal way to break down a persons name into components, and people get really pissed when you get their name wrong.

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    4. Re:What an asshole by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm more concerned that Facebook didn't have a process in place to monitor for OBVIOUS abuses.

      1. Hundreds of complaints filed.

      2. From a single account.

      3. In a defined time period.

      4. All the victims shared a common trait.

      #1 & #2 should have been red flags over and Over and OVER and OVER. How many complaints does the average user file? Why wasn't this flagged with that person hit 2x the average? 5x? 10x? 20x? 50x? 100x?

    5. Re:What an asshole by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, he was not reporting random fake names he came across. He was reporting fake names from a specific group of people, and you might say he was going out of his way to find fake names from this specific group. Does this sound like a vigilante bent on making sure only real names are being used on FB, or like someone who stumbled across a way to cause grief for a group of people he dislikes, and milking it for all it's worth?

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    6. Re:What an asshole by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are the reason we can't have nice things like anonymity and common fucking sense.

      Facebook is not a government entity. It is an entertainment site and its rules are about as authentic as your IQ.

      Facebook's goal is to validate its user base because advertisers are learning that while Facebook brags about having over 1 billion members, some of those are bogus.

      Facebook has no legal authority regarding whether name are real or not.

      The site is free and the only recourse Facebook has is to block shit.

      The sooner you learn that you are Facebook's bitch, the better.

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    7. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The average is probably less than 1, hell, the 99th percentile is probably less than 1. It sounds really easy in theory, but these sorts of things really are only reported by busybodies that will stick out in any statistical analysis. For that matter, he was doing what Facebook WANTED according to their stated policy, that is until it became a political hot potato for them and they caved.

    8. Re:What an asshole by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Even in the western world there's no common understanding of what your name is. My friend recently had her name changed, but ran into some issues as she is from the UK but lives permanently in the Netherlands. In the UK, changing your name means signing a "deed poll", getting your mates down the pub to sign as witnesses, and then simply start using it. At some point you will be issued a passport with your new name on it... if you can prove that you have been using the new name for a while. Bank statements and other semi official correspondence serves as proof. The problem is: in the Netherlands it works exactly the other way around: you first get your name changed officially (through the courts), get a new passport, and only then will the bank, the utility companies and the tax office change your name in their records. A nice catch 22 that took a while to sort out.

      As for myself, I'll be happy once the world learns to build systems that don't break on the apostrophe in my last name. I still come across plenty of systems that don't, and every time I am tempted to go "Johnny Tables" on their ass.

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    9. Re:What an asshole by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook isn't a free website, you're voluntarily surrendering your privacy and anonymity in order to use it - which is the entire reason behind the real name policy. That data sink with the blue banner is there to collect identifiable information about YOU and how you interact online, and sell that information on to people and companies who want nothing else but to sell you shit through persistent and targetted advertising.

      You are in a dreamworld if you think for one second that Facebook gives a shit for your privacy, and the RNP absolutely proves the point.

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    10. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems that the individual who reported the aliases (non-real names) to Facebook was only reporting people who violated the TOS from Facebook users.

      That, without a lot more information, does not qualify this person as "an asshole", "a dickhead" or "a pathetic jerk". It does seem to qualify you as those three, though.

      No, it means that you're too lazy to bother reading what's out there about this person - who admits, even glorifies, in targeting a specific community - members of the LGBT community. In one tweet, they even call transvestites sodomites, even though the vast majority of cross-dressers are heterosexual males. Then when all hell broke loose, they went after people with accounts for their pets, probably to make it look less like they had been targeting a specific group based on their sexual or gender expression.

      There was a time when I was transitioning when I didn't have the necessary documentation to back up my new identity. Can you understand the chilling effect this would have on people who are following their doctor's orders, who have told friends and family that they're getting a sex change, but who, because of a mis-application of facebook's policy, would still have to use their old, gender-inappropriate name? Or would just drop out of sight entirely at the time when they are most in need of their network of friends?

      This person needs to either get a life or get help.

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    11. Re: What an asshole by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      On Brazil we simply do not break the name when using it on a local created software, is always the full name on a single field. (And is anoying for us using foreign software in this detail)

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    12. Re:What an asshole by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      I disagree, "snitch" is definitely synonymous with "an asshole", "a dickhead" or "a pathetic jerk"

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    13. Re:What an asshole by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      We all just assumed you first name was Johnny.

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    14. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Usually the louder they protest them "faggots" (words used by the guy reporting people, not me) the deeper in they closet they are. It's pathetic, really. They keep lashing out at everyone brave enough to be out. And people wonder why those out (like drag queens) want to keep some privacy so that a stud doesn't show up with his 12 gauge and show us all how he ain't no homo by blowing one away.

    15. Re:What an asshole by Required+Snark · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Crap, you are a total dickhead.

      Let's assume for a moment that you have a child going to second grade. You piss someone off, and they decide to get back at you through your family. They take you child's photo, pictures of the school they attend and your house and phone number and post it on websites frequented by pedophiles. They imply that your child is available for sex. You start getting horrible phone calls at all hours of the day and night, creepy guys drive by your house, and even knock on your door. Someone tries to snatch the child off the street near the school.

      Then you try and get the information off the web, and all the sites say they don't have to do anything because "private enterprise". What then? What if the worst happens and the child is abducted and killed? Yeah, the perp can end up in jail, but what about the "free enterprise" businesses that make money off this. Do you really want to count on the civil law to protect you?

      I happened to pick a hypothetical case with a child, but the equivalent happen to women with psycho ex-boyfriends all the time: set up a fake account with real contact information and advertise for kinky sex. Not good.

      Remember Facebook is big.

      Total number of monthly active Facebook users 1,310,000,000

      Total number of mobile Facebook users 680,000,000

      Increase in Facebook users from 2012 to 2013 22 %

      Total number of minutes spent on Facebook each month 640,000,000

      Percent of all Facebook users who log on in any given day 48 %

      Average time spent on Facebook per visit 18 minutes

      Total number of Facebook pages 54,200,000

      Percent of 18-34 year olds who check Facebook when they wake up 48 %

      Percent of 18-34 year olds who check Facebook before they get out of bed 28 %

      Average number of friends per facebook user 130

      Average number of pages, groups, and events a user is connected to 80

      Average number of photos uploaded per day 205

      Number of fake Facebook profiles 81,000,000

      Remember, for the LGBT community the consequences can be as serious as grievous bodily injury or death at the hands of a complete stranger. Chanting "free enterprise" as a justification in this situation puts you firmly on the side of potential violent thugs.

      And just to help you sleep well tonight, there is no way to know if all the people who were targeted were LGBT or not. Given the vile stupidity of the perpetrator, there might have been cases of mistaken identity. It's not like the person who did this is the most stable or thoughtful person around. In fact, you could have been on the list. Sleep tight.

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    16. Re: What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A London theater refused to stage a Jewish film festival because the event had received a small grant from the Israeli embassy.

      Oh no! The next step must surely be the gas chambers!

    17. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh good. I didn't even know my goin was injured.

    18. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      That's almost funny. Almost.

      Anti-snitch campaign riles police, prosecutors

      Of course we may see some irony unfold here.

      14-Year-Old Shot In The Head Was Son Of ‘Stop Snitching’ DVDs Creator

      Do you think he prefers his son's murder to go unsolved?

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    19. Re:What an asshole by davydagger · · Score: 2

      selective enforcement of a rule, as suggested, targeting a group like drag queens is, abuse.

      I think the legal name requirement of facebook itself pretty much makes people target for abuse to begin with. You see, "Anonymous" or whatever you want to call them is nothing new. Groups like that have existed under various banners since the dawn of the internet, and they will never go away because of the anonymous nature of the internet itself. They would not have trouble creating a fake account, because they don't care if it gets deleted.

      Someone who invests time and energy does. We also have the issue that some people in scenes like drag are comfortable talking about it openly. Others are not comfortable and need to hide behind a fake name to prevent retribution.

    20. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      > OK, I stopped reading at the ad hominem

      I'm kind of tired of people misusing that term.

      Ad hominem: "Your argument is wrong because you are a dickhead."
      Insult: "You are a dickhead because your argument is wrong."

      OK?

    21. Re:What an asshole by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      not quite. A Statutory Declaration, which what you're referring to to give its proper name, is signed by two witnesses or a Notary. This is simply a declaration that you're using a new name, possibly one which you're already using and by which people know you, and that you disavow any future usage of your previous name. A Deed Poll (or to give its proper name, a Change of Name Deed) is countersigned by a Magistrate and given weight by a Judicial Seal.

      (I've acted as a sig witness many times).

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    22. Re:What an asshole by thecombatwombat · · Score: 2

      So seriously, why do they need a real name policy to prevent any of that?

      Since well before Facebook sites have had a TOS that would say things like "we reserve the right to kick you out if we deem your activity may be illegal, or harasses others."

      Seems to me that would more than cover all the scenarios you mention. All the cases I've seen where "real names" are supposed to stop harassment, seem pretty straight forward. Just have a policy to stop harassment. Is it easier to verify someone's identity rather than their intentions, and so easier to kick these people off these sites? I just don't see what the gain is.

    23. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      You just have to be on the "politically correct" side for Facebook to act.

      Facebook Finally Deletes the ‘Kill Kendall Jones’ Page

      Background: Facebook pulled down the hunting photos of Kendall Jones citing a violation of the social-media site's "community standards," but they allowed the page titled "Kill Kendall Jones" to remain stating that it did not violate their policies. A tad hypocritical, to say the least.

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    24. Re:What an asshole by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Phelps was a smash and grab lawsuit factory. They purposely intended to incite people hiding behind religious freedom in the hopes someone would retaliate in a way they could sue and gang band big bucks. It's probably nothing like what was going through this asshats head.

      Instead, it is likely more related to the why only me mentality.
      Many of you might have suffered it yourself. It's like in school when everyone is talking instead of reading and one person gets singled out by the teacher and that person objects because everyone else was doing it too. It's like following the flow of traffic with ten cars in front of you and ten cars behind you and the cop single you out to give a speeding ticket- why is he busting me and letting everyone else go?

      This guy likely had some super cool name he had to change from and use his real name instead which was less cool and was pissed because others were getting by with using fake names. I've had that happen before in games, one game, you had to use English in your profiles or provide a translation, one kid got busted using his native Croatian and went around reporting everyone else' profile that were not in English and didn't have a translation (which took up space in the profile shortening what you could put in it). The rules stated there was an exception if the non-English phrase was common enough to be understood but "For rent, agent of death- caveat emptor" got me a 2 day ban because of him.

    25. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it means that you're too lazy to bother reading what's out there about this person - who admits, even glorifies, in targeting a specific community - members of the LGBT community.

      Why do the police target criminals? It's SO UNFAIR!!!

      Oh, wait, he targets the people who are violating the TOS.

      Deal with it.

      It's been dealt with - facebook has decided that this was not, in fact, a violation of their TOS. People are allowed to use the name they are commonly known to the world by. So everyone who knows Billy-Bob and Mary-Ann from high school doesn't have to search for William Robert and Maria Anastasia.

      Can you understand the chilling effect this would have on people who are following their doctor's orders, who have told friends and family that they're getting a sex change, but who, because of a mis-application of facebook's policy, would still have to use their old, gender-inappropriate name?

      No, because I can't understand what kind of horrible doctor would order anyone to do something that insane.

      What? Order someone to live for a year in their target gender before getting a sex change? It gives time to create a supportive environment with our job, friends, family, before doing anything permanent. And finding out who our real friends are, time to adapt to the hormonal changes and the emotional changes they can trigger, and being able to have a job after surgery, because just walking into work without giving everyone a heads-up in advance will create problems. Or, if work doesn't accept the situation, get a new job in our new gender right from the get-go.

      Or if you think that the whole idea of transsexuals getting a sex change is horrible, well, we'll just have to disagree on that, for obvious reasons :-)

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    26. Re:What an asshole by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      If you don't like Facebook's policies don't use them. Nothing forces you to use Facebook, there are plenty of other social websites many without policies similar to Facebooks.

      I personally encourage Facebook to actually enforce it's rules. I hope more people run around reporting rule violations so that these incidents keep happening. Maybe at some point people will realize Facebook is pure evil and stop using it. I don't use it, and neither should you.

      And don't give me any shit about you can't because your friends aren't using any of the other sites, because your friends are saying the same thing. It takes guts to stand up and say I won't play that game.

    27. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      The late unlamented Fred Phelps and his crew took any expression of disgust and outrage against him as evidence they were doing the Lord's work. That's how these folks think.

      So you're suggesting that they could be compared to a non-violent ACT UP San Francisco ?

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    28. Re:What an asshole by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree with the other commenter. You're no one special that can guarantee with absolute certainty that no personal agenda would be carried out. And actually, "hate speech" is many times used as a political cover. A very common tactic of the SJW. What you define as hate speech I may not and vice versa.

    29. Re:What an asshole by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Name changes are just annoying to IT. New username, move user folder, new email address, update three different databases, update the address book, configure email alias... then wait about ten years until everyone stops emailing the old address.

    30. Re:What an asshole by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      what abuses? guy was reporting accounts VIOLATING OFFICIAL POLICY

      Systematic reporting of accounts violating the official policy was a homophobic attack targeting people with a good reason to violate the official policy. "I only followed orders" stopped being an excuse 70 years ago. "They are violating official policy" stopped being an excuse for discrimination at the same time. Little Hitlers need to be stopped, not excused.

    31. Re:What an asshole by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      You are right.. lol. evidently one of the most common latin phrases was not common enough to qualify for the exception.

      Or maybe latin simply isn't common any more. I wonder how many people under 30 had to look that up?

    32. Re:What an asshole by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As for myself, I'll be happy once the world learns to build systems that don't break on the apostrophe in my last name. I still come across plenty of systems that don't, and every time I am tempted to go "Johnny Tables" on their ass.

      I'm still waiting for computer systems that can handle my address, which has a y with a circumflex in it... I frequently get letters and packages arrive that has "ŷ" printed on the address label! (Yes, even big international websites like Amazon, SagePay, etc. are incapable of using a valid UTF-8 character... In fact ISTR SagePay's API only supports ISO8859.

    33. Re:What an asshole by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      My impression is that he was reporting all fake names that he came across, definitely not just queens, but he found easy hunting grounds with queens. The article says he was also looking for innuendo names and cartoon character names because that was also easy.

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    34. Re: What an asshole by jrumney · · Score: 2

      On Brazil, you need to be care of flies landing on the typewriter and changing Tuttle to Buttle though.

    35. Re:What an asshole by benjfowler · · Score: 2

      Because Jesus.

    36. Re:What an asshole by khallow · · Score: 2

      Remember, for the LGBT community the consequences can be as serious as grievous bodily injury or death at the hands of a complete stranger. Chanting "free enterprise" as a justification in this situation puts you firmly on the side of potential violent thugs.

      And this is relevant to Facebook's interests how? Needless to say, they haven't given a shit yet about this huge problem. Make them give a shit or they won't change.

      I think a good solution here is for a few hundred thousand people to create fake accounts, report each others' fake account mixing in a bunch of real name accounts as well, then petition when their accounts are banned. Lather. Rinse. Repeat until Facebook changes the policy or goes bankrupt, whichever comes first.

    37. Re:What an asshole by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but "civil society" organizations have for years identified as hate speech any speech which disagrees with their view of what a "civil society" ought to be, identifying as "hate speech" statements made to the effect that "hate speech" laws and rules are an attempt to silence people you disagree with (even when those statements make no negative statement about any group--except possibly identifying groups which have used such tactics).

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    38. Re:What an asshole by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Mark my words, in 50 years, hopefully less, the whole idea of "transitioning" and "gender reassignment" will be consigned to the bin of crazy psychological ideals like trepanning and lobotomies.

      Or, in a brighter future, technology has advanced to the point where anyone who wishes can flip their gender on a whim, therefore simultaneously obsoleting gender discrimination, giving people access to a wider set of expriences and giving people who's identity revolves around trying to control others plenty to impontently froth about.

      South Park covered this brilliantly a few years ago: just because someone "feels like a dolphin" doesn't mean you should be performing surgery.

      We don't currently have the medical technology that could transform people into dolphins or reasonably functional facsimiles. But if we did, and someone was happier that way... why not? What's it to anyone else, really?

      There persists this weird idea that people have to conform to some definition of "normalcy". It's some weird combination of naturalistic fallacy and lingering remains of ancient religious (un)cleanliness code. It's time this monstrosity was laid to rest, before it claims any more victims.

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    39. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
      Too bad that geneticist disagree with you. That's one reason why the latest revision of the APA's DSM doesn't consider transsexuality as a mental disorder any more. And remember those 2D:4D digit ratio studies, the ones that indicated that something hormonal happened before birth that can influence both gender and sexual orientation? Well, scientists have been able to replicate the influence of sex hormones by manipulating sex hormone levels in utero

      Cohn and Zheng, also members of the UF Genetics Institute, found that the developing digits of male and female mouse embryos are packed with receptors for sex hormones. By following the prenatal development of the limb buds of mice, which have a digit length ratio similar to humans, the scientists controlled the gene signaling effects of androgen — also known as testosterone — and estrogen.

      Essentially, more androgen equated to a proportionally longer fourth digit. More estrogen resulted in a feminized appearance. The study uncovered how these hormonal signals govern the rate at which skeletal precursor cells divide, and showed that different finger bones have different levels of sensitivity to androgen and estrogen.

      We know that the 2D:4D digit ratio shows a correlation to both sexual orientation and gender identity. So, now the influence (or lack thereof) has been tied to what happens before you're born. My 2D:4D digit ratio is female. Thank you for playing.

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  3. Blame shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If applying your own laws is "throwing a wrench" perhaps your laws are the problem?

  4. Griefer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the Gamer community this person would be known as a griefer, they enjoy nothing more than ruining things for others and while spend as many hours if not more doing so.

    CAPTCHA: offends

    1. Re:Griefer by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      Nope, in the gamer community this person would be hailed as a hero for outing people who act unethically by disregarding Facebook's rules.

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  5. Differential enforcement by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not this guy nor Facebook's rules, but that the rules were enforced in a biased manner. This will always be a problem with only enforcing a rule after a report, because unpopular groups or individuals will be reported more often than the majority.

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  6. Facebook empowers bullies by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's troubling is the fact that no one at Facebook contemplated the possibility that this policy would be used as a form of bullying. Their aribtrarily-enforced rules about nudity are routinely used the same way by homophobes, who go around reporting innocuous photos (and even illustrations) of partial male nudity or even just gay couples kissing or showing affection, causing headaches, suspensions, and even bans of gay people from the site. And they do so with complete impunity because they can do so anonymously, and there is no penalty for false reports. The users who are reported are given no right to challenge their accusers (or even know who they are), and effectively no right to appeal. Facebook's own policies and procedures facilitate and empower this kind of harassment and abuse. And they're just now noticing?

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    1. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by Teresita · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This reminds me of a recent incident in Seattle where 80% of the tickets for smoking weed in public were written by one officer, as though he was manufacturing evidence of wrongdoing or something. Using pot is legal in Washington, but not in public, and the officer was doing his job. The problem is in the underlying law.

    2. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Using pot is legal in Washington, but not in public, and the officer was doing his job.

      His job is to serve the public's interest in the form of public safety, not to harass the citizenry for engaging in their chosen, victimless behavior. If the law required enforcement, he would be doing his job, but it does not. He was harassing the citizenry.

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  7. Re:Facebook is full of s@#4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    yes. exactly. so why does anyone put up with this stinking pile?

    they have network effects

    so whats the first thing you should do as a queen, a statist, a racist, a leftist, a druggie,
    a libertarian, or any other kind of self-proclaimed individual

    tell them to fuck straight off. say hello to your neighbor. i mean the actual piece of flesh
    that sleeps 50 yards away from you at night.

    their trillions are based on nothing else than the fact that you feel compelled to post
    shit on their website. dont complain about their policies...just stop using it altogether

    stop using the internet and have breakfast at your local diner. or use dragbook.com.
    or make dragbook.com

    google, facebook, twitter, linkedin - they haven't done anything for you. a bunch of
    highly paid assholes trying to figure out how to exploit you

  8. Facebook policy is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is facebook's pointless, unfair, side-effect prone, and essentially pinheaded "real name" policy that is the problem. Without the policy, the problem would not exist (and people who would have otherwise not had to reveal their real names could be a lot safer on the site.)

    But that's the nature of the beast. They're selling you to advertisers, and they can do whatever they want with you. Any idea you had about the site being about you is laughably off-base. What it is, is bait for you. They'll do what they need to do to attain and maintain critical mass for their actual customers (advertisers), and not one thing more.

    The citizens are, by and large, far too dimwitted to move to a network where they *are* the focus. And so it goes.

  9. Re:is there any rationale for this requirement? by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

    Facebook "users" are a product being sold. Real names allow Facebook to better monetize their user database by enabling correlation with other big data vendors like Acxiom. Once they have a complete profile of who you are and the entire details of your life, it is much easier to implement targeted ads. Fake names are useless for making them money.

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  10. Differential enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is, in fact, with Facebook's rules. Facebook did not recognize that a class of persons, that they would have been better off providing protection for, strongly identified with a name other than their legal name.

    The rules were not enforced in a biased manner, but in a blind manner.

    What you want is a compensatory bias to be applied after a report. That's not unbiased enforcement.

  11. TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm truly sorry you chose to make that post anonymously. Spot on, and amusing at the same time. I would have enjoyed making sure I took special note of future postings if I knew who you were. Well, kudos anyway. :)

    The rush to "do" underlies a great deal of our problems from incompatible OS upgrades, bugs left behind to fester, the rug being yanked out from under previously working applications, and functionality going missing -- or crazy -- or sideways -- in existing user applications. There are methodologies that can resolve all of these things the vast majority of the time, but very few software developers at any level use them. Much harm results.

    <RANT>

    Primary among them, NEVER remove or change the stated design behavior of an existing function. If you have a better idea, add a new function with a new stated design behavior. Leave the previously existing one alone; if necessary, point out that it won't work with "new stuff", if indeed that is the case. Then stop. If an already existing function is not behaving as the stated design behavior says it should, change it until it does.

    Pro tip: If "upgrading", if whatever "enhancements" you created make something stop working or degrades how it works in an existing application that used the function according to its stated design intent, it's about 1000000:1 that it's your fault AND that you shouldn't have done whatever you did.

    It doesn't matter if you're an OS programmer, an application programmer, a PD library maintainer, or what. If and when you screw up existing stated design behavior, you have not created an "upgrade", you have created a "fuckyougrade" and somewhere, someone, or more likely many someones, are contemplating dragging you through a fire ant hill after dousing you with some other ant hill's characteristic pheromones.

    </RANT>

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    1. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Primary among them, NEVER remove or change the stated design behavior of an existing function.

      Ahh, fantasyland. I knew that we would arrive here sooner or later. If you never remove an existing function, you have to maintain that code for eternity. Functions must sometimes die.

      You're right about never changing the design behavior of the function, though. A new function is needed when the new function behaves differently from the old function.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  13. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 2

    There are people in Western culture who have problems too.

    Like royals with only first names. Quite often a long row of them, but still no last name.
    Then there are native Americans. Thoroughly Westernized, but with names like As The Owl Flies one risks being called "Mr. Flies", and get letters with "Hi, As"
    Then there are systems that only allow a small subset of pre- and postfixes. They allow III but not IV, so those who have the same name as their father, grandfather and great-grandfather end up as Mr. Iv.

    Personally, I've found that having a two word last name is enough to confuse many systems.

    Then there are addresses. Contrary to what American programmers think, not everyone of the Western world has a street number.
    In many places, if you live in a small town or in a well known building or farmstead, there is no street number.

    The only sane thing to do is to let people enter their name and address the way that's correct for them. If you need to contact them, also have them fill in the correct forms of address. Then Sir William, Lord Pembroke can get his mail sent to Wilton House, Wilton, Salisbury SP2 0BJ, UK, and be addressed as "Pembroke" or "Montgomery".

    And Teller won't get letters saying "Hi, Na" or "Dear No F. N. Teller".

  14. A Vexing Problem We Can Force Facebook To Fix by logicnazi · · Score: 2

    Obviously the current system in which individuals with ideological axes to grind can negatively impact communities where people don't go by their legal names. However, it's not obvious what the right rule should be. Of course I think you should be able to use psuedonyms, nicknames, stage names etc.. etc.. on facebook but how do you deal with facebook identity theft.

    So I have Jane Mary Tyler Doe. I go create a facebook account pretending to be her and, if she isn't a huge celebrity, it wouldn't be too hard to convince a large number of people (probably anyone not already friends with the real individual) that I'm really Jane Mary Tyler Doe. I can then use that account to make her look like a racist, ruin relationships with coworkers and potential employers etc.. etc... unless my fake account can be suspended quit quickly. Alright how can facebook do this.

    1) A real names policy. True, this has all the bad consequences above but it allows them to immediately suspend accounts but isn't vulnerable to serious DOS type attacks since a since credit card transaction or the like can quickly confirm someone's legal name and prevent any false impersonation accusation from ever causing another suspension. Given the low probability that someone with the same name wants to engage in the impersonation facebook has enough human hours to evaluate these rare situations in reasonable detail.

    But this undermines an essential purpose of facebook. To let people present themselves online to the same people they know offline meaning stage names, nicknames etc.. etc..

    2) A no impersonation rule. Alright now someone asserts the account Jennifer Doe is impersonating her. What can facebook do? If the suspend the existing account things are even worse since instead of creating a fake account someone with ill-intent asserts that the current account holder is an imposter gets their account suspended and now controls the only account representing itself to be Jennifer Doe's. Given the size of facebook they simply can't stop anyone from creating any new account with that name and the impersonator could create an account Jen Doe.

    The very fact that people are allowed to use names other than their legal names means there is no good heuristic to see who is likely the deliberate imposter. After all Jennifer Doe might be the name she goes by in school but the name on her birth certificate could well be Bertha Jennifer Doe and Jennifer might not even appear on things like credit cards meaning facebook doesn't even have a good guess as to the imposter.

    Also this creates the possibility of a DOS attack against any account (keep claiming it is an imposter account from accounts). If facebook eventually stops viewing such imposter accusations as real then any imposter who gets their before the real user can simply launch a bunch of accusations of imposterization at themselves until they insulate themselves against any accusation from the person they are actually impostering (after all they can be a perfectly legit Jennifer Doe account then change their picture and other details later to impersonate a target).

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    What they should do is basically implement a web of trust style infrastructure. Facebook can start occasionally asking people who frequently message or are listed as close friends whether the person they talked to or the person with that email address really went to school such and such. Also friend requests should include a couple of selected bits of public info (like email address and the like) which, would hopefully make impersonization more difficult.

    Ultimately, however, facebook needs to have a attestation system akin to key signing. You get your close friends to attest that the person whose picture and details appear in the facebook account really controls the account. Details will be a pain in the ass but it's the only plausible way since impersonization is a matter of details like schools, pictures etc.. etc.. not real names and facebook just can't check those themselv

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    1. Re:A Vexing Problem We Can Force Facebook To Fix by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      You're not looking at it from facebook's perspective. Serving the users is vital, but they need to make a profit - which means maintaining the value of their data to advertisers. A real names policy is difficult to enforce, but it also goes some way to ensuring the accuracy of that data. A lot of advertising is aimed at one gender or the other. Real names also allow for cross-correlation with other data sets - store loyalty cards, other websites, things like that.

      Even legal names have their problems. There have been several instances of people who coincidentally have the same name as a celebrity getting kicked off for 'impersonation' even when they make it clear they are not the celeb. To me, the biggest problem is the power it gives trolls. There are a lot of Not Very Nice people on the internet, many of whome are on a quest to destroy some rival social faction (Religious, political, fans of the wrong sports team) through any means they can. Which includes things like contacting your neighbours with face fliers claiming you are a sex offender, or anonymously tipping off police that you are known locally as a meth dealer, or telling your employer that you were fired from your previous job for theft of company property. Even outside of such extreme incidents, there is the issue of employment - every sensible employer does the 'google background check' on applicants now, and if they find a candidate expressing any social/religious/political views outside of the mainstream or engaging in any less-than-reputable activity they will promptly throw that application into the bin as too risky. I doubt I'd have gotten my current job if my employer had been able to look me up and found my articles endorsing copyright infringement as a social movement.

      What we really need, socially, is persistent pseudoanonyminity. The ability to exist online under many different, isolated identities - one can be an upright, dull office worker when working, then go home and log on to take part in some hostile internet debates in which everyone gets compared to Hitler, switch identity to go post your new story on that indescribably kinky erotic fiction site, and all while presenting the image of perfect civility and chastity to the family. But this approach doesn't allow Facebook to rake the money in nearly so effectively.

  15. Re:multi-culturalism by evilsofa · · Score: 2

    Personally, I've found that having a two word last name is enough to confuse many systems.

    You should see the violence and mayhem that an individual with the name A O (first name A, last name O) wreaks upon an HMO patient data file system for which some long-departed pre-millenial programmer decided there should be a three-character minimum for the combined name field.

  16. Re:War of good verses evil. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    It always comes down to the same problem: If one is trying to be tolerant, how much intolerance can one tolerate?

  17. forcing them to enforce a flawed policy by noldrin · · Score: 2

    The best way to show a flawed policy is to force them to actually enforce the policy. Too often we enabled flawed policies and rules to flounder because we ignore them or find ways around the policy. If you want to change the policy, enforce the policy. For too long, Facebook's real name policy has been indiscriminately enforced. Many users persist for years with obviously fake names, while other people feel the full force of the policy, usually those in discriminated groups. This happens all the time in real life, where enforcing agencies will selectively enforce policies or laws on targeted groups. Selective enforcement of the law can be illegal as it runs counter to the equal protection act and 14th amendment, and corporations need to be careful that they don't run afoul those in discriminatory business practices.