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The Single Vigilante Behind Facebook's 'Real Name' Crackdown

Molly McHugh sends this story from Daily Dot: When Facebook issued an apology this week for suspending user accounts that had what it alleged to be fake names, it pinned the whole debacle on one person. This "individual," Facebook reasoned, sewed confusion into its flawed reporting system—intended to protect against bullying and online abuse. Facebook Chief Product Officer Chris Cox explains that Facebook was caught “off guard” by a lone actor who reported “several hundred” accounts as fake. According to our source, who claims to have spent "hours and hours" systematically reporting Facebook users from the drag community and beyond, thousands of accounts were suspended—and they've been at it for weeks. ... Given the timing and the accounts suspended, they believe that they are in fact the mystery "individual" who threw a wrench into Facebook's system, noted in Facebook's explanation of the events. "Considering the hours and hours I spent reporting accounts over the course of the past month, it is likely that I am."

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  1. TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:
    "Oh no I'm very serious. Spent most of my time at work past 3 days reporting Queens."

    Considering I spend my Friday midnight completing shellshock patches to keep this planet running ... Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

    1. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

      That would be all of us - the world got by just fine before our species even existed, and likely will again when it's gone.

    2. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Useless" and "essential" are not the same thing.

    3. Re:TFA by quenda · · Score: 5, Funny

      - the world got by just fine before our species even existed, and likely will again when it's gone.

      How can the world get by, when noone is there to anthropomorphise it?

    4. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry sunshine. In a real professional environment, we don't [b]use[/b] debian systems much less use package managers unless the location of the patches are managed in the environment. Plus with hundreds of servers and applications that might be affected, additional testing to make sure things still work after the update is applied is necessary. It's taken us a week to get patches out just to our internet facing systems. We're still waiting on engineering to approve the updates as not impacting production applications.

    5. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This mentality explains why so many 'professional' sites are the ones losing customer data to info thieves.

    6. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LOL. OK Cowboy, you sure know what you're talking about, right? Patch 'em up! Move 'em out! I got places to see and people to do, or something. You seriously have no clue what you're talking about if you think a Fortune 500 company's just gonna blat out a patch untested across their environment and call it a day. You know how I can tell you've never had to deal with a regulator or the SEC? Jesus H. Effing Christ, man. No doubt you'd be the first body on the dogpile when a Wall Street firm did use apt and applied a bunch of patches and broke something. "They should have proper controls and testing! Duh! *Everyone* knows that."

    7. Re:TFA by dbIII · · Score: 1

      "Oh no I'm very serious. Spent most of my time at work past 3 days reporting Queens."

      Considering I spend my Friday midnight completing shellshock patches

      Ah yes, but this loser reporting Queens probably thinks it's not just any Friday but time for Joe Friday - of Drag Net.

    8. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Glad you're an expert in your field. Now you just need to work on your social skills.

    9. Re:TFA by khallow · · Score: 1

      You don't sound like you are very close to the trading floor, perhaps a back office IT worker at best.

      You don't let people very close to the trading floor anywhere near the back office. It keeps money from disappearing.

    10. Re:TFA by ultranova · · Score: 1

      In a real professional environment, we don't [b]use[/b] debian systems much less use package managers unless the location of the patches are managed in the environment.

      Of course not. What real professional environments use are Windows systems with Visual Basic programs "some guy" wrote.

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    11. Re:TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does thought require a medium? If so, why?

    12. Re: TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, was there a real need ? I assume 1% of companies actually expose bash scripts to the outside. This thing was mostly a redmond propaganda op.

    13. Re:TFA by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

      Well, no. Generally someone is fired for being useless to their employer.

      Anyway, you spend your Sundays cruising Slashdot, right?

    14. Re: TFA by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      yes, anything that is exposed to the internet and calls "system(), popen() or exec() with a imported environment under the control of a potential attacker.

    15. Re:TFA by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Can we start firing people who are useless to the world in general?

      You must be a foreign English speaker. The word you're looking for is "shooting".

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    16. Re:TFA by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You'll have proof when you are dead.

    17. Re: TFA by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      You use linux for the desktop right?

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  2. What an asshole by blankinthefill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see what this person could have to gain from this other than just being a dickhead. Heaven forbid someone be different from what your approved normal is. What a pathetic jerk.

    1. Re:What an asshole by Teresita · · Score: 4, Informative

      The late unlamented Fred Phelps and his crew took any expression of disgust and outrage against him as evidence they were doing the Lord's work. That's how these folks think.

    2. Re:What an asshole by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Picking on the LGBT community with this is probably the most effective way of combatting the policy ...

    3. Re:What an asshole by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's a "real name"? The name that you insist everyone calls you would be my definition. "Don't call me by my government"

      Real name policies are BS anyhow - very Western Firstname Lastname centric, ignorant of cultures where the only unique name for someone is the list of all the names they're known by (which, as you might imagine, makes printed phone books less than useful).

      One of the great truisms of software development is that there's no universal way to break down a persons name into components, and people get really pissed when you get their name wrong.

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    4. Re:What an asshole by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm more concerned that Facebook didn't have a process in place to monitor for OBVIOUS abuses.

      1. Hundreds of complaints filed.

      2. From a single account.

      3. In a defined time period.

      4. All the victims shared a common trait.

      #1 & #2 should have been red flags over and Over and OVER and OVER. How many complaints does the average user file? Why wasn't this flagged with that person hit 2x the average? 5x? 10x? 20x? 50x? 100x?

    5. Re:What an asshole by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, he was not reporting random fake names he came across. He was reporting fake names from a specific group of people, and you might say he was going out of his way to find fake names from this specific group. Does this sound like a vigilante bent on making sure only real names are being used on FB, or like someone who stumbled across a way to cause grief for a group of people he dislikes, and milking it for all it's worth?

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    6. Re:What an asshole by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are the reason we can't have nice things like anonymity and common fucking sense.

      Facebook is not a government entity. It is an entertainment site and its rules are about as authentic as your IQ.

      Facebook's goal is to validate its user base because advertisers are learning that while Facebook brags about having over 1 billion members, some of those are bogus.

      Facebook has no legal authority regarding whether name are real or not.

      The site is free and the only recourse Facebook has is to block shit.

      The sooner you learn that you are Facebook's bitch, the better.

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    7. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The average is probably less than 1, hell, the 99th percentile is probably less than 1. It sounds really easy in theory, but these sorts of things really are only reported by busybodies that will stick out in any statistical analysis. For that matter, he was doing what Facebook WANTED according to their stated policy, that is until it became a political hot potato for them and they caved.

    8. Re:What an asshole by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Even in the western world there's no common understanding of what your name is. My friend recently had her name changed, but ran into some issues as she is from the UK but lives permanently in the Netherlands. In the UK, changing your name means signing a "deed poll", getting your mates down the pub to sign as witnesses, and then simply start using it. At some point you will be issued a passport with your new name on it... if you can prove that you have been using the new name for a while. Bank statements and other semi official correspondence serves as proof. The problem is: in the Netherlands it works exactly the other way around: you first get your name changed officially (through the courts), get a new passport, and only then will the bank, the utility companies and the tax office change your name in their records. A nice catch 22 that took a while to sort out.

      As for myself, I'll be happy once the world learns to build systems that don't break on the apostrophe in my last name. I still come across plenty of systems that don't, and every time I am tempted to go "Johnny Tables" on their ass.

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    9. Re:What an asshole by sjames · · Score: 1

      Do you prefer tattletale?

      It seems very kindergarten, but perhaps that really is the maturity level we're dealing with.

    10. Re:What an asshole by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook isn't a free website, you're voluntarily surrendering your privacy and anonymity in order to use it - which is the entire reason behind the real name policy. That data sink with the blue banner is there to collect identifiable information about YOU and how you interact online, and sell that information on to people and companies who want nothing else but to sell you shit through persistent and targetted advertising.

      You are in a dreamworld if you think for one second that Facebook gives a shit for your privacy, and the RNP absolutely proves the point.

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      Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
    11. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems that the individual who reported the aliases (non-real names) to Facebook was only reporting people who violated the TOS from Facebook users.

      That, without a lot more information, does not qualify this person as "an asshole", "a dickhead" or "a pathetic jerk". It does seem to qualify you as those three, though.

      No, it means that you're too lazy to bother reading what's out there about this person - who admits, even glorifies, in targeting a specific community - members of the LGBT community. In one tweet, they even call transvestites sodomites, even though the vast majority of cross-dressers are heterosexual males. Then when all hell broke loose, they went after people with accounts for their pets, probably to make it look less like they had been targeting a specific group based on their sexual or gender expression.

      There was a time when I was transitioning when I didn't have the necessary documentation to back up my new identity. Can you understand the chilling effect this would have on people who are following their doctor's orders, who have told friends and family that they're getting a sex change, but who, because of a mis-application of facebook's policy, would still have to use their old, gender-inappropriate name? Or would just drop out of sight entirely at the time when they are most in need of their network of friends?

      This person needs to either get a life or get help.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    12. Re: What an asshole by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

      On Brazil we simply do not break the name when using it on a local created software, is always the full name on a single field. (And is anoying for us using foreign software in this detail)

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    13. Re:What an asshole by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      I disagree, "snitch" is definitely synonymous with "an asshole", "a dickhead" or "a pathetic jerk"

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    14. Re:What an asshole by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      How do you know? Maybe they just make up 90% of all fake names? Maybe these are the type of accounts in his network of friends/likes/subscriptions?

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    15. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      your goin to heal!

    16. Re:What an asshole by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      We all just assumed you first name was Johnny.

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    17. Re:What an asshole by OnlineHate · · Score: 1

      Khasim, hundreds of reports, even of the same type of user, does not mean it's abuse. Civil society organisations, like ours, focus on removing hate speech from social media platforms like Facebook. We actively report large volumes of hate speech and produce briefings to help others do the same. Organisations like ours, and individuals who actively supporting such work, would need to be white listed in a system like the one you suggest. Otherwise all the system will do is chew up more resources monitoring people who are not only doing the right thing, but who are actively helping Facebook achieve its stated policies by reporting breaches. Of course Facebook's policies need to be right in the first place - as others have pointed out. We also ready have a problem where pages on Facebook which work against hate are attacked by haters and closed down. We have a relationship with Facebook which lets us manually flag such false positives so they can be quickly addressed and the pages restored. The problem is more complicated than it looks. :)

    18. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      "Snitch" is also a word used by thugs to try to terrorize people into accepting their vulnerability and victimhood.

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    19. Re:What an asshole by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but western cultures have a right to their conventions just as other cultures do. Stop shaming.

    20. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Usually the louder they protest them "faggots" (words used by the guy reporting people, not me) the deeper in they closet they are. It's pathetic, really. They keep lashing out at everyone brave enough to be out. And people wonder why those out (like drag queens) want to keep some privacy so that a stud doesn't show up with his 12 gauge and show us all how he ain't no homo by blowing one away.

    21. Re:What an asshole by Required+Snark · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Crap, you are a total dickhead.

      Let's assume for a moment that you have a child going to second grade. You piss someone off, and they decide to get back at you through your family. They take you child's photo, pictures of the school they attend and your house and phone number and post it on websites frequented by pedophiles. They imply that your child is available for sex. You start getting horrible phone calls at all hours of the day and night, creepy guys drive by your house, and even knock on your door. Someone tries to snatch the child off the street near the school.

      Then you try and get the information off the web, and all the sites say they don't have to do anything because "private enterprise". What then? What if the worst happens and the child is abducted and killed? Yeah, the perp can end up in jail, but what about the "free enterprise" businesses that make money off this. Do you really want to count on the civil law to protect you?

      I happened to pick a hypothetical case with a child, but the equivalent happen to women with psycho ex-boyfriends all the time: set up a fake account with real contact information and advertise for kinky sex. Not good.

      Remember Facebook is big.

      Total number of monthly active Facebook users 1,310,000,000

      Total number of mobile Facebook users 680,000,000

      Increase in Facebook users from 2012 to 2013 22 %

      Total number of minutes spent on Facebook each month 640,000,000

      Percent of all Facebook users who log on in any given day 48 %

      Average time spent on Facebook per visit 18 minutes

      Total number of Facebook pages 54,200,000

      Percent of 18-34 year olds who check Facebook when they wake up 48 %

      Percent of 18-34 year olds who check Facebook before they get out of bed 28 %

      Average number of friends per facebook user 130

      Average number of pages, groups, and events a user is connected to 80

      Average number of photos uploaded per day 205

      Number of fake Facebook profiles 81,000,000

      Remember, for the LGBT community the consequences can be as serious as grievous bodily injury or death at the hands of a complete stranger. Chanting "free enterprise" as a justification in this situation puts you firmly on the side of potential violent thugs.

      And just to help you sleep well tonight, there is no way to know if all the people who were targeted were LGBT or not. Given the vile stupidity of the perpetrator, there might have been cases of mistaken identity. It's not like the person who did this is the most stable or thoughtful person around. In fact, you could have been on the list. Sleep tight.

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    22. Re: What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A London theater refused to stage a Jewish film festival because the event had received a small grant from the Israeli embassy.

      Oh no! The next step must surely be the gas chambers!

    23. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh good. I didn't even know my goin was injured.

    24. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      That's almost funny. Almost.

      Anti-snitch campaign riles police, prosecutors

      Of course we may see some irony unfold here.

      14-Year-Old Shot In The Head Was Son Of ‘Stop Snitching’ DVDs Creator

      Do you think he prefers his son's murder to go unsolved?

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    25. Re:What an asshole by davydagger · · Score: 2

      selective enforcement of a rule, as suggested, targeting a group like drag queens is, abuse.

      I think the legal name requirement of facebook itself pretty much makes people target for abuse to begin with. You see, "Anonymous" or whatever you want to call them is nothing new. Groups like that have existed under various banners since the dawn of the internet, and they will never go away because of the anonymous nature of the internet itself. They would not have trouble creating a fake account, because they don't care if it gets deleted.

      Someone who invests time and energy does. We also have the issue that some people in scenes like drag are comfortable talking about it openly. Others are not comfortable and need to hide behind a fake name to prevent retribution.

    26. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      > OK, I stopped reading at the ad hominem

      I'm kind of tired of people misusing that term.

      Ad hominem: "Your argument is wrong because you are a dickhead."
      Insult: "You are a dickhead because your argument is wrong."

      OK?

    27. Re:What an asshole by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned that Facebook didn't have a process in place to monitor for OBVIOUS abuses.

      1. Hundreds of complaints filed.

      2. From a single account.

      3. In a defined time period.

      4. All the victims shared a common trait.

      #1 & #2 should have been red flags over and Over and OVER and OVER. How many complaints does the average user file? Why wasn't this flagged with that person hit 2x the average? 5x? 10x? 20x? 50x? 100x?

      Facebook doesn't really care unless it impacts their bottom line.

      In this case, it only impacted their bottom line after they started getting negative press for being homophobic.

      In fact, they probably like type-A asshats that spend their lives pursuing their site for potential violators... It's like having a free sysadmin on a petty powertrip!

    28. Re:What an asshole by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      not quite. A Statutory Declaration, which what you're referring to to give its proper name, is signed by two witnesses or a Notary. This is simply a declaration that you're using a new name, possibly one which you're already using and by which people know you, and that you disavow any future usage of your previous name. A Deed Poll (or to give its proper name, a Change of Name Deed) is countersigned by a Magistrate and given weight by a Judicial Seal.

      (I've acted as a sig witness many times).

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    29. Re:What an asshole by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      well, not all of us.

      Assumption: the mother of all fuckups.
      Generalisation: possibly the father.

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      Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
    30. Re:What an asshole by thecombatwombat · · Score: 2

      So seriously, why do they need a real name policy to prevent any of that?

      Since well before Facebook sites have had a TOS that would say things like "we reserve the right to kick you out if we deem your activity may be illegal, or harasses others."

      Seems to me that would more than cover all the scenarios you mention. All the cases I've seen where "real names" are supposed to stop harassment, seem pretty straight forward. Just have a policy to stop harassment. Is it easier to verify someone's identity rather than their intentions, and so easier to kick these people off these sites? I just don't see what the gain is.

    31. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > No, because I can't understand what kind of horrible doctor would order anyone to do something that insane.

      Then you are woefully ignorant. It is required that anyone undergoing to sex reassignment surgery first spend at least year living as their new sex. If you don't do that, you will be disqualified from receiving the surgery for not being prepared for the transition.

    32. Re: What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1, Troll

      Which campaign is that?

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    33. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't see why your organization would need to be whitelisted. So-called "civil society" organizations which focus on particular types of speech probably deserve enhanced scrutiny by default, in fact.

    34. Re:What an asshole by pepty · · Score: 1

      #1 and #2 shouldn't generate red flags: Facebook pays people and has bots to trawl for fake names. There are probably plenty of other folks who do it for reasons other than keeping Facebook's user data harvesting clean and efficient.

    35. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      You just have to be on the "politically correct" side for Facebook to act.

      Facebook Finally Deletes the ‘Kill Kendall Jones’ Page

      Background: Facebook pulled down the hunting photos of Kendall Jones citing a violation of the social-media site's "community standards," but they allowed the page titled "Kill Kendall Jones" to remain stating that it did not violate their policies. A tad hypocritical, to say the least.

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    36. Re:What an asshole by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Phelps was a smash and grab lawsuit factory. They purposely intended to incite people hiding behind religious freedom in the hopes someone would retaliate in a way they could sue and gang band big bucks. It's probably nothing like what was going through this asshats head.

      Instead, it is likely more related to the why only me mentality.
      Many of you might have suffered it yourself. It's like in school when everyone is talking instead of reading and one person gets singled out by the teacher and that person objects because everyone else was doing it too. It's like following the flow of traffic with ten cars in front of you and ten cars behind you and the cop single you out to give a speeding ticket- why is he busting me and letting everyone else go?

      This guy likely had some super cool name he had to change from and use his real name instead which was less cool and was pissed because others were getting by with using fake names. I've had that happen before in games, one game, you had to use English in your profiles or provide a translation, one kid got busted using his native Croatian and went around reporting everyone else' profile that were not in English and didn't have a translation (which took up space in the profile shortening what you could put in it). The rules stated there was an exception if the non-English phrase was common enough to be understood but "For rent, agent of death- caveat emptor" got me a 2 day ban because of him.

    37. Re:What an asshole by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Facebook's assets consist of some servers, some software, and a whole lot of public goodwill. They are not properly executing their fiduciary duty to their shareholders when they devalue their assets.

    38. Re:What an asshole by citizenr · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm more concerned that Facebook didn't have a process in place to monitor for OBVIOUS abuses.

      what abuses? guy was reporting accounts VIOLATING OFFICIAL POLICY

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    39. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it means that you're too lazy to bother reading what's out there about this person - who admits, even glorifies, in targeting a specific community - members of the LGBT community.

      Why do the police target criminals? It's SO UNFAIR!!!

      Oh, wait, he targets the people who are violating the TOS.

      Deal with it.

      It's been dealt with - facebook has decided that this was not, in fact, a violation of their TOS. People are allowed to use the name they are commonly known to the world by. So everyone who knows Billy-Bob and Mary-Ann from high school doesn't have to search for William Robert and Maria Anastasia.

      Can you understand the chilling effect this would have on people who are following their doctor's orders, who have told friends and family that they're getting a sex change, but who, because of a mis-application of facebook's policy, would still have to use their old, gender-inappropriate name?

      No, because I can't understand what kind of horrible doctor would order anyone to do something that insane.

      What? Order someone to live for a year in their target gender before getting a sex change? It gives time to create a supportive environment with our job, friends, family, before doing anything permanent. And finding out who our real friends are, time to adapt to the hormonal changes and the emotional changes they can trigger, and being able to have a job after surgery, because just walking into work without giving everyone a heads-up in advance will create problems. Or, if work doesn't accept the situation, get a new job in our new gender right from the get-go.

      Or if you think that the whole idea of transsexuals getting a sex change is horrible, well, we'll just have to disagree on that, for obvious reasons :-)

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    40. Re:What an asshole by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, not only that, I don't see where facebook should see a problem if the reports are not fraudulent. In that I mean, as long as real accounts with people using fake names were reported and that was in violation of their policies, then there should be no cause for alarm.

      What there should be is an easy appeals process to reinstate an account that was disabled unjustly and possible a tag that could be added internally to stop it from happening again. So when Steve wants to be Stephenie, and it is reported, it gets ignored. But when sally creates a fake account to harass her kids enemies to the point they commit suicide, the account goes away before it happens.

    41. Re:What an asshole by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      LOL No, he was despised for what he did.

    42. Re:What an asshole by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      If you don't like Facebook's policies don't use them. Nothing forces you to use Facebook, there are plenty of other social websites many without policies similar to Facebooks.

      I personally encourage Facebook to actually enforce it's rules. I hope more people run around reporting rule violations so that these incidents keep happening. Maybe at some point people will realize Facebook is pure evil and stop using it. I don't use it, and neither should you.

      And don't give me any shit about you can't because your friends aren't using any of the other sites, because your friends are saying the same thing. It takes guts to stand up and say I won't play that game.

    43. Re:What an asshole by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Done. The words of someone unwilling to stand behind their words have been marked, AC.

    44. Re:What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      The late unlamented Fred Phelps and his crew took any expression of disgust and outrage against him as evidence they were doing the Lord's work. That's how these folks think.

      So you're suggesting that they could be compared to a non-violent ACT UP San Francisco ?

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    45. Re:What an asshole by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree with the other commenter. You're no one special that can guarantee with absolute certainty that no personal agenda would be carried out. And actually, "hate speech" is many times used as a political cover. A very common tactic of the SJW. What you define as hate speech I may not and vice versa.

    46. Re:What an asshole by taustin · · Score: 1

      "Think" is not the word I would use to describe what they do. But yeah, that's how they believe.

    47. Re: What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      One other thing you should consider - there is a meaningful overlap among people that want to kill the Jews and people that want to kill the LGBT community. If you keep down playing the threat to the Jews you are down playing the threat to the LGBT community even if you don't realize it. That relationship isn't always clear, or explicit, but it is there.

      Of course some people are so conflicted they don't seem to be able to notice.

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    48. Re:What an asshole by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Real name policies are BS anyhow - very Western Firstname Lastname centric, ignorant of cultures where the only unique name for someone is the list of all the names they're known by

      my name is daenerys stormborn targaryan, trueborn queen of the andals and first men, mother of dragons

    49. Re:What an asshole by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      A self-declared superior dickhead.

      Few dickheads are honest enough to admit they are dickheads. They instead look for something to justify their actions. They may have an unusual code of conduct, or an attitude of hostility towards their targets. A lot of the anti-gay dickheads use religion as justification, because with the right choice of religious faction to follow their actions become not just justifiable, but morally mandated. In their mind, he isn't being a dickhead by trying to rid Facebook of drag queens: He is defending Faith, Family and Freedom from the filth of the Homosexual Agenda that threatens to bring down civilisation, rape babies and give everyone AIDS.

    50. Re:What an asshole by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Name changes are just annoying to IT. New username, move user folder, new email address, update three different databases, update the address book, configure email alias... then wait about ten years until everyone stops emailing the old address.

    51. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "got me a 2 day ban because of him."

      No, you got a ban because you didn't follow the rules.

    52. Re:What an asshole by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      what abuses? guy was reporting accounts VIOLATING OFFICIAL POLICY

      Systematic reporting of accounts violating the official policy was a homophobic attack targeting people with a good reason to violate the official policy. "I only followed orders" stopped being an excuse 70 years ago. "They are violating official policy" stopped being an excuse for discrimination at the same time. Little Hitlers need to be stopped, not excused.

    53. Re:What an asshole by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      You are right.. lol. evidently one of the most common latin phrases was not common enough to qualify for the exception.

      Or maybe latin simply isn't common any more. I wonder how many people under 30 had to look that up?

    54. Re:What an asshole by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As for myself, I'll be happy once the world learns to build systems that don't break on the apostrophe in my last name. I still come across plenty of systems that don't, and every time I am tempted to go "Johnny Tables" on their ass.

      I'm still waiting for computer systems that can handle my address, which has a y with a circumflex in it... I frequently get letters and packages arrive that has "ŷ" printed on the address label! (Yes, even big international websites like Amazon, SagePay, etc. are incapable of using a valid UTF-8 character... In fact ISTR SagePay's API only supports ISO8859.

    55. Re:What an asshole by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      My impression is that he was reporting all fake names that he came across, definitely not just queens, but he found easy hunting grounds with queens. The article says he was also looking for innuendo names and cartoon character names because that was also easy.

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    56. Re: What an asshole by jrumney · · Score: 2

      On Brazil, you need to be care of flies landing on the typewriter and changing Tuttle to Buttle though.

    57. Re:What an asshole by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      There's a particular kind of feminist known as a TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) who see trans women as men who are pretending to be women so they can rape women. They put massive amounts of effort into uncovering and harassing trans women, outing them to employers and schools, etc. Drag queens aren't trans women, but if I had to lay money on a responsible party, my best guess would be a TERF.

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    58. Re:What an asshole by benjfowler · · Score: 2

      Because Jesus.

    59. Re: What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about people that think Israel sometimes sucks but have no problem with the Jewish people? I have no quarrel with the Jews, but Israel often makes me wonder if they give two shits about peace. Can't someone dislike the nation without having accusations of antisemitism tossed at them?

    60. Re:What an asshole by khallow · · Score: 2

      Remember, for the LGBT community the consequences can be as serious as grievous bodily injury or death at the hands of a complete stranger. Chanting "free enterprise" as a justification in this situation puts you firmly on the side of potential violent thugs.

      And this is relevant to Facebook's interests how? Needless to say, they haven't given a shit yet about this huge problem. Make them give a shit or they won't change.

      I think a good solution here is for a few hundred thousand people to create fake accounts, report each others' fake account mixing in a bunch of real name accounts as well, then petition when their accounts are banned. Lather. Rinse. Repeat until Facebook changes the policy or goes bankrupt, whichever comes first.

    61. Re:What an asshole by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but "civil society" organizations have for years identified as hate speech any speech which disagrees with their view of what a "civil society" ought to be, identifying as "hate speech" statements made to the effect that "hate speech" laws and rules are an attempt to silence people you disagree with (even when those statements make no negative statement about any group--except possibly identifying groups which have used such tactics).

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    62. Re:What an asshole by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that a deed poll can be signed by anyone, but that some organisations require the deed poll to be registered at the Royal Court. When registerig the deed poll, you'll need the statutory declaration as well, which was an issue: since we're not living in the UK, we could not find anyone qualified to sign.

      As it turned out, the passport service did not require registration of the deed poll (which was our way out of the catch-22), nor did we provide a statutory declaration. We did have the deed poll signed by a judge and notarised in the Netherlands, which may have helped.

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    63. Re:What an asshole by pla · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I'll be happy once the world learns to build systems that don't break on the apostrophe in my last name.

      You would, then, love using any software I write. I absolutely promise it won't break on an apostrophe. It won't break on a semicolon. It won't even break on foreign vowels or unicode...

      Because I strips all that crap out, only allowing Latin1 [a-zA-Z]. I do, however, preserve any random-case names you insist on using, because while unbearably pretentious, they at least don't break anything.

      And yeah, call me an asshole (though you have to put Australia ahead of me, they've outright banned diacritics in names by law) - But little Bobby Tables won't break my code. To hell with input validation, people constantly come up with new ways to enter complete garbage (and on forms they want to fill out, not talking about fake email addresses here). Just sanitize it all and call it good; and if you end up named Jrmy Obrian, blame your parents, not me.

      / BTW, all those O-apostrophe names in Irish? You've already accepted a corruption of your name, so lose the purist BS. That actually comes from Anglicized Gaelic o- or O-acute, with the diacritic shifted slightly to the right. The former means "from" the latter means "grandson"

    64. Re:What an asshole by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Mark my words, in 50 years, hopefully less, the whole idea of "transitioning" and "gender reassignment" will be consigned to the bin of crazy psychological ideals like trepanning and lobotomies.

      Or, in a brighter future, technology has advanced to the point where anyone who wishes can flip their gender on a whim, therefore simultaneously obsoleting gender discrimination, giving people access to a wider set of expriences and giving people who's identity revolves around trying to control others plenty to impontently froth about.

      South Park covered this brilliantly a few years ago: just because someone "feels like a dolphin" doesn't mean you should be performing surgery.

      We don't currently have the medical technology that could transform people into dolphins or reasonably functional facsimiles. But if we did, and someone was happier that way... why not? What's it to anyone else, really?

      There persists this weird idea that people have to conform to some definition of "normalcy". It's some weird combination of naturalistic fallacy and lingering remains of ancient religious (un)cleanliness code. It's time this monstrosity was laid to rest, before it claims any more victims.

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    65. Re:What an asshole by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Mythology is replete with examples of sex changes. Clearly it's been on people's minds for quite a while. It's not surprising that it's happening now that it's possible; even with our crude technology, there are plenty of early adopters. I doubt it's going to go anywhere

      You're kind of right, though. The technology will probably improve drastically. In 50 years, you won't even be able to notice it. To follow your analogy, we stopped doing lobotomies because we invented risperdal.

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    66. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
      Too bad that geneticist disagree with you. That's one reason why the latest revision of the APA's DSM doesn't consider transsexuality as a mental disorder any more. And remember those 2D:4D digit ratio studies, the ones that indicated that something hormonal happened before birth that can influence both gender and sexual orientation? Well, scientists have been able to replicate the influence of sex hormones by manipulating sex hormone levels in utero

      Cohn and Zheng, also members of the UF Genetics Institute, found that the developing digits of male and female mouse embryos are packed with receptors for sex hormones. By following the prenatal development of the limb buds of mice, which have a digit length ratio similar to humans, the scientists controlled the gene signaling effects of androgen — also known as testosterone — and estrogen.

      Essentially, more androgen equated to a proportionally longer fourth digit. More estrogen resulted in a feminized appearance. The study uncovered how these hormonal signals govern the rate at which skeletal precursor cells divide, and showed that different finger bones have different levels of sensitivity to androgen and estrogen.

      We know that the 2D:4D digit ratio shows a correlation to both sexual orientation and gender identity. So, now the influence (or lack thereof) has been tied to what happens before you're born. My 2D:4D digit ratio is female. Thank you for playing.

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    67. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have changed the policy to forcing people to use the name they use in real life, as opposed to some fictional idea of "real name".

    68. Re:What an asshole by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Facebook's servers and software are the cages that people lock themselves into. The PR is to make you feel good about it.

      They are not properly executing their fiduciary duty to their shareholders when they devalue their assets.

      You have your eye on the wrong ball.

      The "asset" is us.

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    69. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I know better than to go against the LGBTQOMGWTFBBQ crowd with a real name. They'll hunt you down, harass you, try and get you fired, try and get people to boycott your business, etc., etc. Which is incredibly ironic considering how "persecuted" they claim to be and how much they demand "tolerance." Ironic and sad.

    70. Re:What an asshole by lgw · · Score: 1

      And still: you do better than Slashcode.

      Slashcode: the goaste anus of a Unicode world.

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    71. Re:What an asshole by lgw · · Score: 1

      Not an excuse to write bad software. How hard is it to ask about personal name and family name and default to whatever's most common to your userbase, so that most people can still just click next? And for goodness sake, support Unicode in names.

      And you do realize the Hispanic two-last-names thing is part of Western culture, right? And that the Dutch, also part of Western culture, don't have two last names, but many have a space in their last name? And that apostrophes show up commonly in Irish names, which, as far as I can tell: still Western culture.

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    72. Re:What an asshole by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1
      In truth the LGBT community has more members engaging in this style of conduct than any other group I'm aware of. The most appropriate example is that they sued to get the Prop 8 donor list then started harassing all the people on it. Talk about chilling political speech. Citations are extremely numerous and easily found if you google "harassing people prop 8".

      I'm in favor of people letting others have opposing views without punishment, which is the only way to have a free society. Allowing others to have ideas and opinions you don't agree with is no different than protecting speech you don't agree with.

    73. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's ironic is someone supporting a "real names" policy while posting anonymously because they fear backlash, which is precisely a reason not to use "real names."

    74. Re: What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Is there some reason you shouldn't be attacked for the actions of the Israeli government? If Israel bombs a rocket launcher used to attack them is there some reason a mob shouldn't come and attack you in retaliation? It makes just as much sense to attack you in revenge as it does to attack Jews in other countries. French Jews are citizens of France. Italian Jews are citizens of Italy. German Jews are citizens of Germany. The Jews in Europe aren't Israelis, they are citizens of whatever country they are living in. If you think it is ok to threaten or attack them, and to make genocidal threats against them, for something they are not related to there is something very wrong with your ethics, your sense of right and wrong.

      And what is this "ethnic cleansing" you refer to? I very much doubt that Israel is engaged in mass murder.

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    75. Re: What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Given the context of the discussion you seem to be claiming that Jews in Europe should be threatened or killed due to the actions of Wall Street. Your view is wrong, not connected to the facts, and an open invitation to terrible evil. Don't you understand anything? How could someone believe that type of nonsense today?!

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    76. Re: What an asshole by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      I see that you were able to insert the word "narcissist" in a sentence, but you don't seem to understand its meaning. The Israeli government isn't "arguably genocidal" in any meaningful way.

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    77. Re:What an asshole by pantaril · · Score: 1

      I don't see what this person could have to gain from this other than just being a dickhead. Heaven forbid someone be different from what your approved normal is. What a pathetic jerk.

      He could force facebook to change it's stupid real-name policy?

    78. Re:What an asshole by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I know better than to go against the LGBTQOMGWTFBBQ crowd with a real name. They'll hunt you down, harass you, try and get you fired, try and get people to boycott your business, etc., etc. Which is incredibly ironic considering how "persecuted" they claim to be and how much they demand "tolerance." Ironic and sad.

      Unfortunately there are bad actors in every group, and it's hard for many to "turn the other cheek" when they've been targeted at such a personal level.

      Me, I choose instead to try to educate, except in the most egregious cases - such as the ones where the person was doing intentional harm for personal gain of one type or another. I don't post anonymously - the only difference between my user name and the one on my bank statement is that my bank statement has a space between the first, middle, and last names whereas here I don't use my middle name.

      If you were logged in, you'd see my .sig says "this post brought to you by the letter ' t ' in LGBTt (Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transgender, transsexual)". I have no need for, nor wish for, anonymity, either on the net or in real life. However, I understand that other transsexuals, as well as members of the LGBT (no small t at the end) community have their concerns, and those concerns are legitimate. Physical assault is a real possibility. As are all the other concerns that you mentioned - "They'll hunt you down, harass you, try and get you fired, try and get people to boycott your business, etc., etc. "

      Sowing fear and hatred - on either side - is ignorance in action. Both are equally unjustifiable, and I can see, given your fears, that you don't want to become a target. But that doesn't mean I'm going to accept an opinion that transsexuality is crazy, or that there isn't hard scientific evidence to back it up in the last couple of decades.

      I'd suggest that you meet with a few transsexuals to see that we're not nutbars - but you probably already have without even realizing it. We're pretty much everywhere nowadays.

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    79. Re: What an asshole by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Israel has engaged in mass murder, assassinations and territorial expansion, it's also running a religious apartheid system to preserve it jewish demography. It is not currently engaged in genocide or ethnic cleansing but they did try to wipe out the Bedouin tribes after they won independence. Having said that, my own country treated aboriginals worse than cattle in the past, and currently treats "boat people" with extreme prejudice, I don't like either of those facts but there's fuck all I can do about it.

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    80. Re: What an asshole by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Your "reason" is the Jewish conspiracy theory? That must be the oldest and dumbest conspiracy theory the western world, it comes from the days before the Medici family when only Jews charged interest on loans (because it was prohibited for Christians and Muslims to do so). Christians and Muslims would take the loans and then bitch about the "evil" jews charging them interest. The Jewish conspiracy theory should have ended when the Medici's invented banking, but somehow it still lives on in people like you.

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    81. Re:What an asshole by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Back in the 1930's the then communist Mongolian government banned last names in a failed attempt to weaken tribalism, recently the government reintroduced them for administration reason, and asked everyone to pick a second name and register it with the government. In a wonderful example of unintended consequences, over half the country now bear the same surname as Genghis Khan.

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    82. Re: What an asshole by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      A bug??? Or a feature....

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    83. Re:What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I say this In all sincerity. I am happy for you, if you are happy with who you are. But if you need to have some psycho babbel to make it "normal" its not. Stop trying to convince us you are normal, because there is no such thing as normal. Jist be happy with who you are, and fuck what everyone else says.

    84. Re:What an asshole by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bankruptcy would be nice.

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    85. Re:What an asshole by citizenr · · Score: 1

      You fail at logic.

      When bookface enacts next policy change - kill all babies under 1 year old - you will be the first to scream racism when someone reports all the ginger babies he can find.

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    86. Re: What an asshole by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      You do realise you are arguing with someone who's mind cannot be changed?

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    87. Re:What an asshole by Michaelejahn · · Score: 1

      Probably is a religious fanatic

    88. Re:What an asshole by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      It's this attitude that I don't get. Because of this guy, Facebook are reviewing a newly demonstrated to be unfair rule that they have always had in place.

      All this guy did was force Facebook to generally apply a rule they were until recently applying selectively. The real ire should be directed at Facebook for having a stupid rule rather than at the guy who caused them to actually enforce it.

      I guess though his stated reasons for wanting the rule enforced are bigoted so perhaps the hate levelled at him is justified in that sense.

    89. Re:What an asshole by jarlsberg71 · · Score: 1

      I think you missed the point. I'm certain she's very happy with who she is. But when everyone else keeps telling you there's something wrong with you, and you have your rights and freedoms infringed upon because of it, sometimes some Facts that are proven scientifically allow OTHERS to accept her and make life a little less of a struggle. Brought to you by the second letter in her sig.

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    90. Re:What an asshole by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "Do you think he prefers his son's murder to go unsolved?"

      unsolved? probably. Unrequited? no.

  3. Blame shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If applying your own laws is "throwing a wrench" perhaps your laws are the problem?

    1. Re:Blame shift by bsolar · · Score: 1

      That's actually true for most laws: rule-book slowdown is based on the fact that without the due "flexibility" most laws/rules interpreted literally with utmost zeal would make the system stop working.

  4. FB could solve 80% of the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And yet, Facebook does nothing about obviously fake accounts, like Cheese Sandwich or the like. The problem is, people want to play the FB games, but they don't want to bother their real friends with the game messages, so the only solution is to have a "fake" account. FB should do something to allow for social gaming without mixing it into real socializing. Allow people to have a game account that is "fake", but can't post non-game-related items. They already separate game posts from real posts, it wouldn't be that difficult to do.

    1. Re:FB could solve 80% of the problem by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Or just set the game's posts to show only to you. It's not hard. It's a lot easier than making a fake account.

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  5. Griefer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the Gamer community this person would be known as a griefer, they enjoy nothing more than ruining things for others and while spend as many hours if not more doing so.

    CAPTCHA: offends

    1. Re:Griefer by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      Nope, in the gamer community this person would be hailed as a hero for outing people who act unethically by disregarding Facebook's rules.

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    2. Re:Griefer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do corporate rules have to do with ethics? Other than most corporate entities acting unethically, of course.

    3. Re:Griefer by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      open("sense_of_humour",0) = ENOENT

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  6. Plenty of blame to go around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, the whackjob who made all these bogus reports is primarily responsible for this mess. I doubt anyone would argue that point.

    But can we also recognize that fb screwed up by creating a "system" that was so pathetically easy to abuse? This is yet another example of an online entity with mountains of money that can't piss straight. thanks to their horrible mgmt, fb is the cancer of the Internet, or at least one of them.

  7. Differential enforcement by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not this guy nor Facebook's rules, but that the rules were enforced in a biased manner. This will always be a problem with only enforcing a rule after a report, because unpopular groups or individuals will be reported more often than the majority.

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    1. Re:Differential enforcement by Tanuki64 · · Score: 1

      The problem is not this guy nor Facebook's rules, but that the rules were enforced in a biased manner.

      You don't like biased rule enforcements? MISOGYNIST!!!

    2. Re:Differential enforcement by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      The problem is not this guy nor Facebook's rules, but that the rules were enforced in a biased manner. This will always be a problem with only enforcing a rule after a report, because unpopular groups or individuals will be reported more often than the majority.

      Actually, that would mean that the problem is Facebook's rules, as they are vulnerable to this...and, in fact, if you wanted to motivate them to change the rules obnoxious mass biased reporting to make it hard for Facebook to deflect blame from the fact that their policy created this situation would do the trick. Actually, I'd not be terribly surprised if they're actually just claiming it was one person so they can do just that...

    3. Re:Differential enforcement by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is not Facebook's rule, it is the policy they use for enforcing the rule. This is much like "driving while black".

      They can't afford to enforce the rule by having an impartial set of private investigators checking up on everyone. They can't afford the creepiness factor nor loss of business if they were to use their datamining to automatically identify people with made up names. Besides, the reporting based system makes people feel more involved and part of FB, while limiting the reports mainly to those people find offensive.

      Oh, and limiting an individual's ability to report people has its own problems. For one thing, the asshole could have compiled a list of all the LGBT members with fake names, and sent the list to the Church of Hating Gays. Then the reports would come from multiple individuals -- and there would be repercussions to ignoring an entire church's reports.

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    4. Re:Differential enforcement by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      The rule by its very nature requires individuals reporting violators for its enforcement--as you noted, there's really no other viable option. More importantly, the rule by its simple existence has a chilling effect because if you don't want to use your real name (such people who for various reasons have professional names or are transitioning) you're stuck, and there's always the risk that somebody will maliciously report you as not using your real name regardless of if you actually are which seems rather likely to cause trouble.

      But then, I have not once accused FB of being run by competent people who actually think things out. They seem to really have done more to try to promote the very things they claim the real name rule was supposed to protect against, too, given that if they really meant it they'd have made a basic policy switch: "From now on, any information is private unless you choose to share it."

      The real name policy stinks of being a pure PR "We Are Doing Something About This Problem!" BS on their part so they don't have to do something like (oh horrors!) admit people might have good reasons for wanting privacy. Remember FB's overall attitude towards that? (Ever seen how many results you get when you google "Facebook privacy concerns"?)

      One of the best ways to get rid of this sort of thing is to force it to the point where it's no longer possible to continue to pretend the manure does not smell like sh*t. Something like your proposed situation of a large group of people enlisted to make reports would, in fact, stand a decent chance of doing the trick. The easiest, most likely to succeed 'out' is to end the rule because then you can cheerfully say that you're not ignoring the reports--it's just that the rule would have to still exist for it to be broken, so the reports are meaningless.

  8. Re:NOT NEWS by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    This is not news and it certainly isn't news for nerds.

    The abusing of an online social network to target individuals of a particular type is not news, especially for nerds? There were flaws in the reporting process. If each report about a fake name from person "A" was forwarded to the same handler, the pattern would have been apparent within hours. So, one flaw in the process, with a solution that all sites could implement.

    If that's not practical, then have a method so that, when a new report is made, the reviewer sees the reporter's history. 200 reports within 3 days, all the same? Houston, we have a problem!

    So, another summary could be "person exploited flaws in a social media site to target a specific group." Definitely news for nerds.

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  9. Facebook is full of s@#4 by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    I apologize for the semi-offensive subject, but nothing else I tried was as accurate or clear.

    There's no 'lone actor' or 'rogue account' forcing them to do this. This is THEIR OWN POLICY. Claiming someone else 'forced' them to do it is standard corporate/military/law enforcement weaseling. 'The officer's gun was discharged 30 times into the suspect.' Well darn, that poor officer with his gun going off like that and all.

    Total damage control bullcrap.

    1. Re:Facebook is full of s@#4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      yes. exactly. so why does anyone put up with this stinking pile?

      they have network effects

      so whats the first thing you should do as a queen, a statist, a racist, a leftist, a druggie,
      a libertarian, or any other kind of self-proclaimed individual

      tell them to fuck straight off. say hello to your neighbor. i mean the actual piece of flesh
      that sleeps 50 yards away from you at night.

      their trillions are based on nothing else than the fact that you feel compelled to post
      shit on their website. dont complain about their policies...just stop using it altogether

      stop using the internet and have breakfast at your local diner. or use dragbook.com.
      or make dragbook.com

      google, facebook, twitter, linkedin - they haven't done anything for you. a bunch of
      highly paid assholes trying to figure out how to exploit you

  10. Re:Grammar Nazi Objects! by PPH · · Score: 1

    Personnaly, I blame all the homophones lurking on the Internet. You know who you are! You can't hide from us!

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  11. Re:Grammar Nazi Objects! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    I like to sew confusion into a jacket, then walk through a crowd wearing it.

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  12. First, they came for our real names... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First, they came for our real names... and I said nothing, because I don't use my real name...

  13. Facebook empowers bullies by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's troubling is the fact that no one at Facebook contemplated the possibility that this policy would be used as a form of bullying. Their aribtrarily-enforced rules about nudity are routinely used the same way by homophobes, who go around reporting innocuous photos (and even illustrations) of partial male nudity or even just gay couples kissing or showing affection, causing headaches, suspensions, and even bans of gay people from the site. And they do so with complete impunity because they can do so anonymously, and there is no penalty for false reports. The users who are reported are given no right to challenge their accusers (or even know who they are), and effectively no right to appeal. Facebook's own policies and procedures facilitate and empower this kind of harassment and abuse. And they're just now noticing?

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    1. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by Teresita · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This reminds me of a recent incident in Seattle where 80% of the tickets for smoking weed in public were written by one officer, as though he was manufacturing evidence of wrongdoing or something. Using pot is legal in Washington, but not in public, and the officer was doing his job. The problem is in the underlying law.

    2. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by Tanuki64 · · Score: 1

      What's troubling is the fact that no one at Facebook contemplated the possibility that this policy would be used as a form of bullying.

      Who says they did not? Generally there is nothing wrong with bullying. As long as it is the right side, which does the bullying.

    3. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Using pot is legal in Washington, but not in public, and the officer was doing his job.

      His job is to serve the public's interest in the form of public safety, not to harass the citizenry for engaging in their chosen, victimless behavior. If the law required enforcement, he would be doing his job, but it does not. He was harassing the citizenry.

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    4. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. What's troubling is that you believed them when they said it was to prevent bullying. That was clearly a lie from the beginning. If they wanted to prevent bullying they'd have just made it easy to ban communications from one account/IP#/etc. to a particular other. Sort of a more effective form of putting your hands over your ears and going la-la-la, except that you only block a small section of possibly incoming messages.

      (Yes, I know you can reset your IP# if you're running through a NAT, and you could get another account, but making bullying that much more difficult would probably be enough to stop it. When the bully had to be in more effort to send a message than it takes the recipient to block all subsequent messages, it tends to lose it's attractiveness. Especially if all the feedback you get is that subsequent messages are silently dropped.)

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    5. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The first part of your post would seem to contradict the second part. When one cop out of thousands is writing 80% of the citations for a single type of infraction, that's a bit of a flag that something is off.

    6. Re:Facebook empowers bullies by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      The fact that I didn't challenge the premise doesn't mean I accept it. Whatever reason they had for these policies, they didn't anticipate that it would empower bullying, which would cause them PR problems when that became evident.

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  14. Facebook policy is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is facebook's pointless, unfair, side-effect prone, and essentially pinheaded "real name" policy that is the problem. Without the policy, the problem would not exist (and people who would have otherwise not had to reveal their real names could be a lot safer on the site.)

    But that's the nature of the beast. They're selling you to advertisers, and they can do whatever they want with you. Any idea you had about the site being about you is laughably off-base. What it is, is bait for you. They'll do what they need to do to attain and maintain critical mass for their actual customers (advertisers), and not one thing more.

    The citizens are, by and large, far too dimwitted to move to a network where they *are* the focus. And so it goes.

    1. Re:Facebook policy is the problem by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      If I'm free, does that mean I'm free to participate in social networks that have a "real name" policy of my own volition?

      If there's a social network that has a "real name" policy, and I join it, and then someone else comes along and insists that they should be able to join this network without using their real name, what happens to me?

      Do we flat out not have the right to participate in a social network that has a real name policy?

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    2. Re:Facebook policy is the problem by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      If there's a social network that has a "real name" policy, and I join it, and then someone else comes along and insists that they should be able to join this network without using their real name, what happens to me?

      Ummm, nothing at all. Why would you think that what name another user chooses would impact your own account?

      Do we flat out not have the right to participate in a social network that has a real name policy?

      Of course you do. Nobody is saying otherwise. By the same token, Facebook has every right to institute whatever idiotic policy they choose, and everyone who finds their policy idiotic has every right to say so.

    3. Re:Facebook policy is the problem by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      It is facebook's pointless, unfair, side-effect prone, and essentially pinheaded "real name" policy that is the problem.

      Exactly how is it unfair? You realize Facebook is completely voluntary to use, right?

      1) They had a policy.
      2) Users are expected to follow that policy, and can choose not to use it if they disagree with the policy.
      3) They whine instead to get the completely reasonable policy changed instead.

  15. Facebook's fault by silfen · · Score: 1

    At the core of the problem has always been Facebook's real name policy, plus the way they handle complaints by users against users. Reporting people violating Facebook's policy to Facebook isn't vigilantism; the responsibility for the policy and its enforcement still lies entirely with Facebook.

    Although as a private institution, they can do what they want, maybe voluntarily respecting principles that work well in public life, namely free speech and due process, would perhaps be a good policy?

  16. Re:is there any rationale for this requirement? by penix1 · · Score: 1

    Am very curious why they would have this requirement.

    They claim it is to curtail "cyber-bullying" (AKA- Trolling). There is no reason they can't show aliases instead of real names while still requiring real names to sign up. Even Google is seeing that this option is better than the real name policy they used to have.

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  17. Re:is there any rationale for this requirement? by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

    Facebook "users" are a product being sold. Real names allow Facebook to better monetize their user database by enabling correlation with other big data vendors like Acxiom. Once they have a complete profile of who you are and the entire details of your life, it is much easier to implement targeted ads. Fake names are useless for making them money.

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  18. Differential enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is, in fact, with Facebook's rules. Facebook did not recognize that a class of persons, that they would have been better off providing protection for, strongly identified with a name other than their legal name.

    The rules were not enforced in a biased manner, but in a blind manner.

    What you want is a compensatory bias to be applied after a report. That's not unbiased enforcement.

  19. TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm truly sorry you chose to make that post anonymously. Spot on, and amusing at the same time. I would have enjoyed making sure I took special note of future postings if I knew who you were. Well, kudos anyway. :)

    The rush to "do" underlies a great deal of our problems from incompatible OS upgrades, bugs left behind to fester, the rug being yanked out from under previously working applications, and functionality going missing -- or crazy -- or sideways -- in existing user applications. There are methodologies that can resolve all of these things the vast majority of the time, but very few software developers at any level use them. Much harm results.

    <RANT>

    Primary among them, NEVER remove or change the stated design behavior of an existing function. If you have a better idea, add a new function with a new stated design behavior. Leave the previously existing one alone; if necessary, point out that it won't work with "new stuff", if indeed that is the case. Then stop. If an already existing function is not behaving as the stated design behavior says it should, change it until it does.

    Pro tip: If "upgrading", if whatever "enhancements" you created make something stop working or degrades how it works in an existing application that used the function according to its stated design intent, it's about 1000000:1 that it's your fault AND that you shouldn't have done whatever you did.

    It doesn't matter if you're an OS programmer, an application programmer, a PD library maintainer, or what. If and when you screw up existing stated design behavior, you have not created an "upgrade", you have created a "fuckyougrade" and somewhere, someone, or more likely many someones, are contemplating dragging you through a fire ant hill after dousing you with some other ant hill's characteristic pheromones.

    </RANT>

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    1. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Primary among them, NEVER remove or change the stated design behavior of an existing function.

      Ahh, fantasyland. I knew that we would arrive here sooner or later. If you never remove an existing function, you have to maintain that code for eternity. Functions must sometimes die.

      You're right about never changing the design behavior of the function, though. A new function is needed when the new function behaves differently from the old function.

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    2. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " If and when you screw up existing stated design behavior, you have not created an "upgrade""

      Really? So my dicking around with LEDs and discovering how to make them operate without a power driver at all isn't a fucking upgrade?

      What shit world do you live in? I just cut complexity and parts costs down 98% and it still performs the exact function it is intended to perform. In what world is that not considered a fucking upgrade?

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    3. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by AdamColley · · Score: 1

      PWM and you didn't discover it, we've all been doing it for years.

    4. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      So which would you rather, keep the fast but broken function and make a new correct one, or change the behaviour of the existing function, making it correct and slowing it down?

      Keep it and make a new one, and switch which one operates when a multicore environment is extant, or not. That works the best it possibly can for everyone, causing no harm at all to legacy systems, and imposing the performance hit on those who have actively changed the environment. Why would you NOT do that?

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    5. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about software. Nothing to do with you. Take a breath.

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    6. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by Khyber · · Score: 1

      PWM is NOT AC. Whatever makes you think that needs to be burned and destroyed.

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    7. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by AdamColley · · Score: 1

      You didn't mention AC, heh.

      PWM is the usual method of driving LEDs in the way you described and AC through a diode is just PWM with a 50% duty cycle in effect.

    8. Re:TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by Reziac · · Score: 1

      +10 My New Favorite Programmer

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    9. Re: TF upgrades, fixes and regressions by Gob+Gob · · Score: 1

      No you just change mysql_escape_string to mysql_real_escape_string Perfect!

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  21. Yulic M'dic - is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Been a long time since we had beers and talked about the burden of having an apostrophe in our names. look me up some time. Sincerely, Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory.

  22. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 2

    There are people in Western culture who have problems too.

    Like royals with only first names. Quite often a long row of them, but still no last name.
    Then there are native Americans. Thoroughly Westernized, but with names like As The Owl Flies one risks being called "Mr. Flies", and get letters with "Hi, As"
    Then there are systems that only allow a small subset of pre- and postfixes. They allow III but not IV, so those who have the same name as their father, grandfather and great-grandfather end up as Mr. Iv.

    Personally, I've found that having a two word last name is enough to confuse many systems.

    Then there are addresses. Contrary to what American programmers think, not everyone of the Western world has a street number.
    In many places, if you live in a small town or in a well known building or farmstead, there is no street number.

    The only sane thing to do is to let people enter their name and address the way that's correct for them. If you need to contact them, also have them fill in the correct forms of address. Then Sir William, Lord Pembroke can get his mail sent to Wilton House, Wilton, Salisbury SP2 0BJ, UK, and be addressed as "Pembroke" or "Montgomery".

    And Teller won't get letters saying "Hi, Na" or "Dear No F. N. Teller".

  23. War of good verses evil. by LWolenczak · · Score: 1

    I hate to say this, but this is a classic war of good versus evil. The good people have been trying to live their lives, but also not allowing hate speech to be spread about them. The bad is the people who spew the hate and who have had their hate groups shut down because they were reported, rightfully so as spewing hate. Seems like the evil side found a easy way to retaliate. :(

    1. Re:War of good verses evil. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Hate speech itself is the problem because it's defined so loosely that virtually anything that pings on someone's nerve is called hate speech whether it be directed and hostile language or simply a difference of opinion.

    2. Re:War of good verses evil. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It always comes down to the same problem: If one is trying to be tolerant, how much intolerance can one tolerate?

    3. Re:War of good verses evil. by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Hate speech itself is the problem because it's defined so loosely that virtually anything that pings on someone's nerve is called hate speech whether it be directed and hostile language or simply a difference of opinion.

      Hate speech is always just a "difference of opinion". Some people have the opinion that they should be able to live peacefully without being attacked, and other people think they shouldn't.

    4. Re:War of good verses evil. by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Hate speech itself is the problem because it's defined so loosely that virtually anything that pings on someone's nerve is called hate speech whether it be directed and hostile language or simply a difference of opinion.

      "Obama sucks." -opinion
      "Obama should be killed." -hate speech

      A good rule of thumb is that if saying it about a sitting president would make the FBI get very interested in you, you probably shouldn't be saying it about anyone else, either.

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  24. Re:NOT NEWS by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    But there was no abuse. The fake name policy was changed after they found it impacted a set of people. It's like admonishing a cop for writing too many speeding tickets on a road before the speed limit had been raised. The only pattern that should have been recognized was a lot of speeders on that road and of course the action needed was to raise the speed limits. This is the same with facebook. The guy reporting, regardless of his motivation, was following policy and the pattern that eventually showed was that some people of a certain nature seemed to all the sudden become singled out. Of course the answer was to raise the speed limit- allow the names.

    Harping on a single person reporting something that was against the rules is a bit ridiculous. The only flaw was in not having their rules already account for the groups they decided were privileged enough to not have to follow.

  25. A Vexing Problem We Can Force Facebook To Fix by logicnazi · · Score: 2

    Obviously the current system in which individuals with ideological axes to grind can negatively impact communities where people don't go by their legal names. However, it's not obvious what the right rule should be. Of course I think you should be able to use psuedonyms, nicknames, stage names etc.. etc.. on facebook but how do you deal with facebook identity theft.

    So I have Jane Mary Tyler Doe. I go create a facebook account pretending to be her and, if she isn't a huge celebrity, it wouldn't be too hard to convince a large number of people (probably anyone not already friends with the real individual) that I'm really Jane Mary Tyler Doe. I can then use that account to make her look like a racist, ruin relationships with coworkers and potential employers etc.. etc... unless my fake account can be suspended quit quickly. Alright how can facebook do this.

    1) A real names policy. True, this has all the bad consequences above but it allows them to immediately suspend accounts but isn't vulnerable to serious DOS type attacks since a since credit card transaction or the like can quickly confirm someone's legal name and prevent any false impersonation accusation from ever causing another suspension. Given the low probability that someone with the same name wants to engage in the impersonation facebook has enough human hours to evaluate these rare situations in reasonable detail.

    But this undermines an essential purpose of facebook. To let people present themselves online to the same people they know offline meaning stage names, nicknames etc.. etc..

    2) A no impersonation rule. Alright now someone asserts the account Jennifer Doe is impersonating her. What can facebook do? If the suspend the existing account things are even worse since instead of creating a fake account someone with ill-intent asserts that the current account holder is an imposter gets their account suspended and now controls the only account representing itself to be Jennifer Doe's. Given the size of facebook they simply can't stop anyone from creating any new account with that name and the impersonator could create an account Jen Doe.

    The very fact that people are allowed to use names other than their legal names means there is no good heuristic to see who is likely the deliberate imposter. After all Jennifer Doe might be the name she goes by in school but the name on her birth certificate could well be Bertha Jennifer Doe and Jennifer might not even appear on things like credit cards meaning facebook doesn't even have a good guess as to the imposter.

    Also this creates the possibility of a DOS attack against any account (keep claiming it is an imposter account from accounts). If facebook eventually stops viewing such imposter accusations as real then any imposter who gets their before the real user can simply launch a bunch of accusations of imposterization at themselves until they insulate themselves against any accusation from the person they are actually impostering (after all they can be a perfectly legit Jennifer Doe account then change their picture and other details later to impersonate a target).

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    What they should do is basically implement a web of trust style infrastructure. Facebook can start occasionally asking people who frequently message or are listed as close friends whether the person they talked to or the person with that email address really went to school such and such. Also friend requests should include a couple of selected bits of public info (like email address and the like) which, would hopefully make impersonization more difficult.

    Ultimately, however, facebook needs to have a attestation system akin to key signing. You get your close friends to attest that the person whose picture and details appear in the facebook account really controls the account. Details will be a pain in the ass but it's the only plausible way since impersonization is a matter of details like schools, pictures etc.. etc.. not real names and facebook just can't check those themselv

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    1. Re:A Vexing Problem We Can Force Facebook To Fix by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      You're not looking at it from facebook's perspective. Serving the users is vital, but they need to make a profit - which means maintaining the value of their data to advertisers. A real names policy is difficult to enforce, but it also goes some way to ensuring the accuracy of that data. A lot of advertising is aimed at one gender or the other. Real names also allow for cross-correlation with other data sets - store loyalty cards, other websites, things like that.

      Even legal names have their problems. There have been several instances of people who coincidentally have the same name as a celebrity getting kicked off for 'impersonation' even when they make it clear they are not the celeb. To me, the biggest problem is the power it gives trolls. There are a lot of Not Very Nice people on the internet, many of whome are on a quest to destroy some rival social faction (Religious, political, fans of the wrong sports team) through any means they can. Which includes things like contacting your neighbours with face fliers claiming you are a sex offender, or anonymously tipping off police that you are known locally as a meth dealer, or telling your employer that you were fired from your previous job for theft of company property. Even outside of such extreme incidents, there is the issue of employment - every sensible employer does the 'google background check' on applicants now, and if they find a candidate expressing any social/religious/political views outside of the mainstream or engaging in any less-than-reputable activity they will promptly throw that application into the bin as too risky. I doubt I'd have gotten my current job if my employer had been able to look me up and found my articles endorsing copyright infringement as a social movement.

      What we really need, socially, is persistent pseudoanonyminity. The ability to exist online under many different, isolated identities - one can be an upright, dull office worker when working, then go home and log on to take part in some hostile internet debates in which everyone gets compared to Hitler, switch identity to go post your new story on that indescribably kinky erotic fiction site, and all while presenting the image of perfect civility and chastity to the family. But this approach doesn't allow Facebook to rake the money in nearly so effectively.

  26. So, is the sewing stiched up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ""This "individual," Facebook reasoned, sewed confusion""
    Might he just be using a needle and thread to sew the garments rent in the sowing of such discontent.

  27. Re:multi-culturalism by evilsofa · · Score: 2

    Personally, I've found that having a two word last name is enough to confuse many systems.

    You should see the violence and mayhem that an individual with the name A O (first name A, last name O) wreaks upon an HMO patient data file system for which some long-departed pre-millenial programmer decided there should be a three-character minimum for the combined name field.

  28. Re:NOT NEWS by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    But there was no abuse. The fake name policy was changed after they found it impacted a set of people. It's like admonishing a cop for writing too many speeding tickets on a road before the speed limit had been raised.

    This is like admonishing a cop who knowingly wrote tickets at a place where the speed limit sign was obviously wrong, where following the speed sign would have caused traffic chaos and going at the higher speed made everything run smoothly and safe.

  29. Re:multi-culturalism by mikael_j · · Score: 1

    There are other royal/noble families than the British ones.

    And in some cases their names can very well be something like Charles Robert XII of the grand dutchy of Backwoodsia where "Charles" is the "middle" name inherited from some great great uncle, Robert is the first name and the XII is because there were 11 previous nobles/kings with that title who were also named Robert and "of the grand dutchy of Backwoodsia" isn't actually a last name but a title.

    This person then gets to choose between "Mr, Ms, Mrs and Dr" for titles and is required to enter "first name" and "last name".

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  30. Re:Grammar Nazi Objects! by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    Nice jacket. You ever check out a Technicolor Dream Coat?

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  31. Re:multi-culturalism by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    If they are part of Western culture, even those royals have family names just as the English royals do. Just because you do not know it, and the media don't use it, does not mean that it does not exist. I just went down the list of current sovereign monarchs of the world. The only ones which do not have family names associated with them are the monarchs of Andorra because that role is filled by the current President of France and the current Bishop of Urgell as co-Princes.
    So, you are mistaken. It is harder to track down everyone with a noble title, but the same holds true there. Every noble family has a family name (that family name may derive from the territory they rule/used to rule, but it is a family name nonetheless).

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  32. Re:Grammar Nazi Objects! by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    I like to sew confusion into a jacket, then walk through a crowd wearing it.

    Instead, sow doubt in the public's confidence in its own grammar.

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  33. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 1

    If they are part of Western culture, even those royals have family names just as the English royals do. Just because you do not know it, and the media don't use it, does not mean that it does not exist.

    Pray, tell - what is the last name of HRH King Harald of Norway?

    He signs Harald Rex, or these days Harald R. - presumably to avoid getting letters to Mr. Rex.

  34. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Royals have family names (and these have nothing to do with their titles).

    In the case of the British monarchy, it's "Windsor".

    Shit, I'm not even a Brit, and I knew that.

    You're confusing family name with House. This is a problem because nobility can belong to more than one house.

    Many of the British royals belong to the House of Windsor, but their name isn't Windsor, any more than HRH Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece having a last name of neither Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg nor Oldenburg - the two houses to which he belongs.

  35. Question nobody is asking by Solandri · · Score: 1

    So... What's this lone actor's real name? :)

  36. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Indeed, like me, most Dutch people are known as "Mr/Mrs Van" in foreign correspondence.

    Presumably some "Mr/Ms de" too.
    And these days, more than a few Ibn, Bin and Al folks too, I should think.

    Where I hail from, the last name is often the name of the farmstead. And they often have qualified names like "North Hill", "Lower Pond" or "Large Valley Farm".

    Add that it's not uncommon to combine the names of your mother and father, or for women, keep your old name and tack the new last name to the end.
    And finally, interject patronymics.

    So you can end up with full names like "Daisy Franksdaughter North Hill Lower Pond Large Valley Farm", and that's with no middle names.
    The "short forms" could be either of "Daisy Franksdaughter" or "Daisy Large Valley Farm" depending on context.

    Someone else might be named "John John Johnson Johnson Johnson".

    Truly, the only sane solution is to let people enter their own names and desired forms of address free-form.

  37. Re:multi-culturalism by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    Well, a quick Google search for "current royalty of Europe" results in a link to this Wikipedia page, which tells us that Harald the Fifth of Norway is from the House of Glucksburg, which means that his last name is Glucksberg. So, as I said, just because you do not know it, does not mean that he doesn't have one.

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  38. forcing them to enforce a flawed policy by noldrin · · Score: 2

    The best way to show a flawed policy is to force them to actually enforce the policy. Too often we enabled flawed policies and rules to flounder because we ignore them or find ways around the policy. If you want to change the policy, enforce the policy. For too long, Facebook's real name policy has been indiscriminately enforced. Many users persist for years with obviously fake names, while other people feel the full force of the policy, usually those in discriminated groups. This happens all the time in real life, where enforcing agencies will selectively enforce policies or laws on targeted groups. Selective enforcement of the law can be illegal as it runs counter to the equal protection act and 14th amendment, and corporations need to be careful that they don't run afoul those in discriminatory business practices.

  39. The real reason ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    The real reason that minorities get quicker action has nothing to do with political correctness.

    When a problem affects a small portion of a majority, you run into the "somebody, everybody, anybody, nobody" situation. "Somebody should fix this. Anybody can fix this. Everybody knows it should be fixed. So it ends up being the job of Nobody." This eventually devolves into the attitude that "since this affects the majority, it's the government's job to fix it." I call this the "complacency of the majority."

    When a minority group is affected, they *know* that if they don't stand up and speak out, nothing's going to change. The majority may not notice there's a problem, since it doesn't affect them, or they may be reasoning "If you can't be arsed to do something about this, and it directly affects you, why should I bother?"

    That's why most social change in society originates with minorities - the majority sees no urgent reason to change things that work for them. Two examples: The driver didn't say to Rosa Parks "Madame, you look tired, why don't you just set down here in the front of the bus?" and it was only after AIDS became recognized as a problem for heterosexuals that the majority took note and put real resources into the fight. I'm sure you can think of more.

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  40. Re:Grammar Nazi Objects! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Re:Grammar Nazi Objects!

    You have clearly discriminated against the Spelling Nazis by not mis-spelling "grammar". No wonder you posted anonymously :-)

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  41. Re:multi-culturalism by N1EY · · Score: 1

    Research some! The surname was changed from the German name in order to defuse ambivalence in regards to the family being German. The surname is Windsor.

  42. Re:multi-culturalism by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    I doubt the Queen has any problems being recognised and if she chose to sign as "The Queen", nobody would complain, her sicophants would just rush around and make sure whatever she she used carried legal weight.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  43. Beat the bad effects of the real name policy. by a+whoabot · · Score: 1

    The way to get around the negative effects of the real name policy is to register your real name, but using a different alphabet than the Latin one. Facebook allows you to submit your name using whatever alphabet you want. I.e., if you have a Japanese name, you are allowed to submit it in the Latin alphabet. If you have an English name, you are allowed to submit it in the Arabic alphabet. I submitted mine in the Greek alphabet, because that was easiest to get the correct transliteration in.

  44. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 1

    No, the Principal House is not the same as a surname. A person can belong to multiple royal houses (and often do, due to the intermarriage between royal houses). And many have a different surname while belonging to a house.

    The principal house Harald V of Norway belongs to is Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluecksburg. He's also a direct descendant of Queen Victoria, and thus of the Oldenburg house. But Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluecksburg is not his name. Neither is Oldenburg. Never was, and never will be.

    The only "full name" that would make sense for him would be to add the patronymical, Harald V Olavson. But he has never used it - he signs "Harald R", the R standing for Rex.

  45. Re:NOT NEWS by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter if the cop thought it was right or wrong. If it is posted, you have notice of the limit. The rest of your post is exagerated hyperboly that doesn't really fit the situation.

  46. Re:multi-culturalism by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Research some yourself. That's the House name that was changed, not the surname.
    The British branch of the House Saxe-Coburg and Gotha became the House of Windsor. Neither is a last name - it's the monarch's ducal name.

    That said, by royal decree, the descendants of Elizabeth II who are not mononymic princes or princesses, are to have the last name of Mountbatten-Windsor. Like the Queen's grandson, Viscount Severn, James Mountbatten-Windsor.
    His cousin is Prince William, with no last name unless you count his current duchy, Cambridge, or the name he used during military service, William Arthur Philip Louis Wales. When not being either the Duke of Cambridge or the son of the Prince of Wales, I expect he can be named William Mountbatten-Windsor.

    In neither case is the last name "Windsor".

  47. Re:multi-culturalism by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    First, as a descendant of Victoria, he would be a member of the House of Saxe Coburg and Gotha, since that is the House of all of Victoria's descendants because that was the House of her husband. Second, he would only be a member of that House if he was so descended on the male side. Finally, it is well established that in situations where royals need a surname, the answer I gave would be his surname. So, while as King, he does not have a surname, Glucksburg would be the surname of all of his children who do not have royal titles.
    As a result any database in which he was entered that required a surname would list his surname as Glucksburg. However, as king there are few such databases in which he would be entered.

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    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  48. He is doing us all a service! by brainbuz · · Score: 1

    If the self appointed RealNamePolice hadn't made such a stink, ello wouldn't have gone viral. Suddenly facebook, a company I loathe and despise and use only with fake names, has competition. I haven't seen their service, but ello have a good manifesto, and plan to use a business model where their end-users are customers rather than assets. Facebook has achieved a degree of critical mass they've been using to revert the internet to AOL. Unless an open distributed social networking protocol emerges (unforunately, Diaspora wasn't able to make it happen), someone has to run the backbone of social networking, and I'd rather it wasn't Facebook.

    So thank you RealNamePolice, not for being a dork harrassing Drag Queens, but for stirring up 30,000 Facebook users an hour to go somewhere else.

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    minds, get scrambled like eggs, abused and erased. Hard Hearted Alice is who you want to see.
  49. Re:multi-culturalism by hr+raattgift · · Score: 1

    People might complain, if they knew. It's happened. Such complaints have even led to expensive litigation and ultimately informed the present UK federalism arrangement.

    tl;dr it's not as simple as calling herself what she wants whenever she wants, but also nobody in any government would refuse a reasonable plan to make a change of style.

    I'll restrict myself here to UK law. Laws of other countries apply to her use of styles in contexts relating to them (such as when she is physically visiting them), as well.

    Formally, styles of address are the personal prerogative of the reigning monarch, and she has been delegated by Parliament the full right to style herself as she sees fit under the Royal Titles Act (1953). Exercising the prerogative _lawfully_, however, would require her to at least inform the government and have the matter Gazetted.

    The statute (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/1-2/9) clearly gave her the right to style herself reasonably, and that statute is probably not exhausted (there is a plausible argument that the delegated authority ceased to exist upon first use, and another that the agreement has expired because half the governments no longer share the same monarch and New Zealand introduced its own _conflicting_ statutes including the Royal Titles Act (1974, New Zealand)).

    However, even if the statute is fully valid, the government-of-the-day can technically insist that she not use the delegated prerogative without formal advice from a minister. It is likely that both the department of constitutional affairs at the Ministry of Justice (which has among other things formal responsibility for policy relating to the Royal Household, the personal representatives of the monarch, and "non-delegated" royal and ecclesiastical prerogatives) and the Foreign Office (since there is still a personal union of the crowns of several independent countries) would push hard to exercise the right to give formal advice. On the other hand, most governments would simply rubber-stamp any reasonable change quickly, or even retroactively, and arrange its publication. That's important since judicial scrutiny of personal prerogatives can (and sometimes does) happen and a "slip up" by the monarch could in principle expose the government to substantial liability.

    (A concrete example is in MacCormick v Lord Advocate 1953 SC 396, 1953 SLT 255 which was a case decided under Scottish Law involving the current monarch's choice to style herself Elizabeth II. The courts found, essentially, that the monarch had acted lawfully in styling herself Elizabeth II, and the decision refers to minutes and letters by government ministers endorsing her name(s), that the supporting statute was valid with respect to MacCormick & Hamilton's claim, and that her regnal name was widely published, and in particular was Gazetted here https://www.thegazette.co.uk/L... -- note that "Published by Authority" means by the authority of the government, not the monarch, and "with the advice of our privy council" means that there was a formal consultation with the government.

    MacCormick was a Scottish Nationalist lawyer and Rector of the University of Glasgow, and raised the matter as a point of interesting differences in Scottish and English constitutional and administrative law; Hamilton is a well known Scottish Nationalist lawyer; both were trying to establish that Scotland had the right to be consulted on matters of personal prerogative. In effect, although they lost this particular case, their ideas are now entrenched in devolution law -- a change to the monarch's style would almost certainly have to be supported by an Act of the Scottish Parliament. In particular, MacCormick was specifically referenced in the parliamentary debates leading to paragraphs (1) and (2) of Part I of Schedule 5 of the Scotland Act (1988) -- it is likely that in litigation in the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, the monarch's style