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HP Is Planning To Split Into Two Separate Businesses, Sources Say

mrspoonsi writes Hewlett-Packard is planning to split itself into two separate businesses, The Wall Street Journal is reporting. Sources tell the WSJ that HP will split its personal-computer and printer segments from its corporate hardware and services business. The announcement could come as early as Monday, the sources said. The company reorganized itself in 2012 under CEO Meg Whitman. That move combined its computer and printer businesses. The PC and computer segment is massive for HP. For the first six months this year, it reported $27.8 billion in revenue. That's about three times the size of HP's next biggest unit, the Enterprise Group, which makes servers, storage, and network hardware. Under the new split, Whitman would be chairman of the computer and printer business, and CEO of a separate Enterprise Group, according to one of the sources. Patricia Russo, who sits on HP's board, would be chairman of the enterprise company. The printer and PC operation would be led by Dion Weisler, a current exec in that division.

118 comments

  1. HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to bail on customers, it knows! HP - stay away.

    1. Re:HP by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Question is - which one does 'HP' have more faith in? The PC/printer division, or the services - isn't it the EDS/MPhasis part of the company?

    2. Re: HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Chinese buying PC division within 3 years

    3. Re:HP by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I heard it I first thought they want to split into one company selling printers (and living on subsidies) and one selling printer ink...

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    4. Re:HP by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Question is - which one does 'HP' have more faith in? The PC/printer division, or the services - isn't it the EDS/MPhasis part of the company?

      Worth remembering that both the "halves" of the current HP are just the remainder of the original company after its previous split/spin-off of Agilent anyway. Agilent was arguably closer to HP's original business (i.e. test equipment and the like) than what remained of "HP" (nominally the former parent) after that.

      In short, the current HP is already the result of a split, and the "new" HP will be whatever bit keeps the name, but will it have any meaning beyond a badge?

      It's a similar case to Motorola, which had already split or spun-off parts of its business more than once into On Semiconductor, and a few years later into Freescale before the remaining "Motorola" split into two distinct companies with that name (one of which was later bought by Google).

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    5. Re:HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Agilent also just spun off the original HP, i.e. Instrumentation and Electronic Measurements to Keysight Technologies. Agilent now only has the Medical, Chemical and Life Sciences part.

      It's just MBA trying to maximize shareholders profit...

    6. Re:HP by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Question is - which one does 'HP' have more faith in?

      Just watch and see which side they transfer all their debt to. It's a classic play called "leave your shareholders holding the bag for your mismanagement of the original company".

    7. Re:HP by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In short, the current HP is already the result of a split, and the "new" HP will be whatever bit keeps the name, but will it have any meaning beyond a badge?

      Like Pillips and Kodak and many other "greats", HP is now only a marketing company for cheap Chinese crap designed by someone else.

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    8. Re:HP by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I heard it I first thought they want to split into one company selling printers (and living on subsidies) and one selling printer ink...

      When my $49 HP printer runs out of ink, the replacement ink cartridge costs $29. So instead of buying the ink, I disassemble the printer into a pile of gears, cogs, timing belts, stepper motors, etc. and sell them on eBay as "robot parts". The I use the proceeds to buy a new printer, including ink, for $49.

    9. Re:HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that new printer only has 1/3 the ink of a $30 cartridge.

    10. Re:HP by hambone142 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope they take the founder's names off of the computer company. The last four CEOs have been an insult to Hewlett and Packard, its employees and its customers. Hewlett-Packard (now called "HP" out of shame) used to be the epitome of creativity, innovation, treating employees with respect and an "Extra Measure of Quality". Now it's nothing but a continuing estate sale of what once was a great company. The Board of Directors is to blame. The manifestation of its incompetence have been a succession of terrible CEOs (Fiorina, Hurd, Apotheker and now Whitman) who individually and collectively are incapable of understanding what is required to innovate products. The inkwell is also going dry (HP's primary source of profit was selling ink and it financed the remainder of the company). So what's left? HP Lab's funds have been cut for decades. Ink is drying up. Their PCs are designed and build by the cheapest Chinese bidder and the enterprise hardware business R&D capability has mostly walked out away out of frustration. Such a sad decay of a very, very good technology company.

    11. Re:HP by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Their NonStop division is still coming up with innovative hardware.

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    12. Re:HP by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Correct. Wistron makes some of their cheap crap. Other ODM spinoffs of Chinese companies make the rest of the laptop/desktop stuff. HP doesn't design or produce any of their PC products but the same is true with Dell. HP also manufactures no computers except a small portion of their enterprise servers in the U.S. Most of the stuff is migrating to Singapore and Mexico. Most of the content for their large servers is manufactured in Malaysia. (I refrained about making a comment about quality here).

    13. Re:HP by Beck_Neard · · Score: 1

      They are smarter than you. The amount of ink in the included cartridges is small enough that even if you never buy ink and make 1/2 the money back from selling the printer, you're still not going to be printing more pages.

      Sure, you could recoup the cost of the printer from selling parts on ebay, but is that time and effort really worth a few dozen pages of printed material? I just use commercial printing services or (when I have access to one) a laser printer.

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    14. Re:HP by GNious · · Score: 1

      Make sense - I've seen printers sold for less than the cost of the ink-cartridges.

    15. Re:HP by zlogic · · Score: 2, Informative

      HP's consumer and enterprise laptops are entirely different and seem to be designed by different companies.
      The Envy, Pavilion, "Essentials" lines may appear like chinese-designed OEM machines in an HP-styles package.
      The Pro*, Elite* series are very different. They have
      - custom BIOS with tons of options (unlike the consumer versions with almost no options and a text-based interface like you see in cheap OEM motherboards)
      - much better touchpads with really nice buttons. The consumer versions often have weird stuff like virtual buttons, buttons with a loud "click" and non-existing travel. While enterprise laptops have buttons with some travel distance and a smooth click. I can't describe it but they do have a very nice feel, somewhat closer to keyboards.
      - better components. Almost every corporate laptop has Intel networking chips (or at least Broadcom). The cases don't flex as much as consumer versions.
      - the Windows 8 era machines include Windows 7 AND 8 installation disks - choose whatever you like. And proper, not "single-language reduced crap with tons of Symantec/McAfee/BonziBuddy bullshit" Windows editions.
      - 3-year warranty. Not even Apple offers that kind of support.

    16. Re:HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Agilent Technologies too has just gone through a division with the "HP original" test gear now being developed, sold and supported through Keysight Technologies (http://www.keysight.com). The remnant portion that comprises what is now Agilent Technologies consists largely of chemical and life sciences.

    17. Re:HP by wbo · · Score: 1

      3-year warranty. Not even Apple offers that kind of support.

      Actually Apple does offer a 3 year warranty (called AppleCare) for an additional fee. However, HP actually offers a 5 year warranty on their enterprise desktops, laptops, tablets, and servers as an option.

      This works really well for the college that I work for because we can replace our hardware on a 5 year replacement cycle and yet still ensure almost everything is covered under warranty.

      HP's enterprise service divisions are also very good about just shipping out replacement parts on request rather than requiring the entire system to be shipped back for service.

    18. Re:HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastic idea!

      Then they can lay off everyone in the unprofitable printer division, this will help to increase profits in the printer ink division.

    19. Re:HP by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Worth remembering that both the "halves" of the current HP are just the remainder of the original company after its previous split/spin-off of Agilent anyway. Agilent was arguably closer to HP's original business (i.e. test equipment and the like) than what remained of "HP" (nominally the former parent) after that.

      Agilent doesn't exist anymore.

      They call themselves something really stupid nowadays - Keysignt Technologies. Which sounds more like a marketing company than one making test equipment.

      Of course, any company old enough will have a pile of equipment that's marked with both "HP" and "Agilent" on it because each time the name changed, they just rebadged the silkscreen.

      Anyhow, when they split, the reason was the HP name was familiar to the public so they kept that for their PC division, while engineers familiar with HP would easily adapt to the new name of Agilent. (Except they may have forgotten what a terrible name Keysignt is...).

    20. Re:HP by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      The reasons for doing this are probably far more though through than that. A business doesn't look at splitting itself unless it can benefit from further tax relief or additional government grants of some sort.

      The reality is that the company is probably already managing those 2 categories separately so I imagine the benefits are beyond it's operational management structure.

    21. Re:HP by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I just got an HP elitebook 840 and it compares very well with the Apple laptop I had at my last job.

    22. Re:HP by ewhac · · Score: 1

      - the Windows 8 era machines include Windows 7 AND 8 installation disks - choose whatever you like.

      If you custom-build a machine from their ZBook "Mobile Workstation" line, you can even configure a machine to not have Windows installed at all. Saves you about $100.00. Still rather pricey, though...

    23. Re:HP by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Agilent doesn't exist anymore.

      According to the Wikipedia article, the "Agilent" name is still being retained for the "life sciences, diagnostics and applied markets(?!) [remainder of the post-spinoff company]". Which ties in with what this person said.

      But, yeah. What a crap name.

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    24. Re:HP by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nah, they'll just do it the American way: Drive it into the ground, then ask for bailouts.

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  2. Next up by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    The brand-new USD$100 HP 3D printer*.

    * requires spools (embedded with a security chip) of "standard" PLA (with a non-standard diameter and melting point) which will be available for only USD$99 each.

    1. Re:Next up by Plammox · · Score: 1

      That would be much better than the current offering from Stratasys, where the Mojo 3D printer is 10.000 EUR and the ABS/Support cartridges are 200 EUR each.

    2. Re:Next up by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      Still cheaper than a replicator if you end up printing less than 19 spools' worth of stuff over the life of the printer.

    3. Re:Next up by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'll take 3.

      Should be doable to salvage enough material to build 2 normal 3D printers that I can actually use, and it's cheaper than the parts themselves...

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    4. Re:Next up by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      If they'd come up with something like that, I'm pretty sure it would be hacked into a more open system within a week.

    5. Re:Next up by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And then HP sues everyone into oblivion for circumventing some chip they built into it.

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  3. Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They'll call the spinoff Compaq!

    1. Re: Let me guess... by TWX · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, one will be Hewlett, the other, Packard.

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    2. Re:Let me guess... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      How about DEC? 3:-)

    3. Re:Let me guess... by plopez · · Score: 1

      They would have to take Open VMS with them and beg Intel to return the Alpha chip.

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    4. Re:Let me guess... by danknight48 · · Score: 1

      I'd go with:
      Company 1 = Hewlett
      Company 2 = Packard

      But, i'am sure the marketing muppets will come up with something "cloud" related.

    5. Re: Let me guess... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Packard? Why not Studebaker?

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    6. Re:Let me guess... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      No.

      The side they expect to tank, being loaded with a business the owners consider unsexy and unprofitable in the long term, will be called HP.

      The side that will make huge amounts of money from contracting work to Enterprises will be called iAccentria (or some other made up word meaning nothing...)

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    7. Re:Let me guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, the VMS kernel was already embedded in the Windows NT kernel when David Cutler had that godawful 'Prism' OS canceled at DEC, and took his merry little band over to Microsoft to create a more stable kernel based on his old work. The lawsuits were *fascinating*. DEC basically cut a deal where NT would run on the Alpha. (After all, it was originally written for the Alpha by Cutler and his merry band.)

      Then Intel stole the Alpha technologies for the Pentium, and it was "game over, man!" for DEC.

    8. Re: Let me guess... by Bigby · · Score: 1

      Packard Bell

    9. Re: Let me guess... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Because FiatChrysler, through the merger of Fiat and Chrysler, through the acquisition of American Motors, through the acquisition of Kaiser-Jeep, through the acquisition by Kaiser, owns the name, not HP...

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    10. Re: Let me guess... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      My understanding of trademarks though is that if the mark is not in use (and they haven't built a Packard in a very long time) then someone else can use the name.

  4. PERFECT! by darkain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The part that makes shitty consumer hardware is splitting up from the part that makes rock solid server hardware. This is an absolute dream come true!

    1. Re:PERFECT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got my Pavilion Elite desktop in 2010, running Windows 7, and it's going strong. Yeah, there's crapware that's marginally annoying, but it's a solid PC that I don't expect to replace anytime soon.

      And no problems with their Deskjet Printer which I got at the same time, although admittedly I don't use it much.

    2. Re:PERFECT! by Pinhedd · · Score: 1

      Yes! My thoughts exactly.

      HP's ProLiant servers are built to withstand a nuclear blast. Their consumer printers probably break down in a clean room.

    3. Re:PERFECT! by guacamole · · Score: 1

      You can't be serious. The division of HP that actually makes lots of money is the consumer electronics printers and PCs. The enterprise portion of the company has been mismanaged for ages, and there were call to split off the profitable consumer part of the company for more than a decade..

    4. Re: PERFECT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the profitable arm though. Software and services are far more profitable (see IBM)

      http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Hewlett-Packard_(HPQ)

    5. Re:PERFECT! by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      Rock solid? One of my customers is seeing a 1 in 4 failure rate on the new gen8 blades. Rock solid and HP Server Hardware are two things that don't belong in the same sentence together.

  5. Name ideas: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Server Hardware company could be called Digital.

    And the consumer company could be called Compaq.

    If there were to have a third company for printers - that should be called HP!

    (I'm still bitter about Alpha being killed!)

    1. Re:Name ideas: by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Corporate hardware & services I suspect would become EDS, while the printers & computers could be Compaq. I doubt there'll be any DEC. Both Alpha & PA-RISC are dead, and the writing is pretty much on the wall for the Itanic as well.

    2. Re:Name ideas: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "H" and "P"?

    3. Re:Name ideas: by plopez · · Score: 1

      sauce...

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    4. Re:Name ideas: by tomofumi · · Score: 1

      And they should spin off their mobile division too...and called it Palm ;)

    5. Re:Name ideas: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they had a real engineer-CEO with some actual balls between the legs, they could jumpstart the PA-RISC CPU line again and probably beat the brown stuff out of Intel. But you know what ? Their MBAers have Excel sheets which "prove" that defeat is the only "rational" business strategy.

      Intel, MS, Laryy E. all laugh on their way to the bank.

  6. 2 salaries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess: Under the new scheme, the top executives, including Whitman, will collect 2 salaries?

  7. HoPeless by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From Carly Fiorina, on, hp has been lacking in leadership, and vision. Hewlett and Packard built a great company, only to have it destroyed by poseurs. Meg Whitman is the latest one - using smoke and mirrors to drive bumps in the stock price. We all know how this is going to end - eventual parting out to companies like Lenovo, Samsung - you name it. Whitman and other insiders will walk away with millions. hp's last 10 years is perfect representation of executive and Board incompetence.

    1. Re:HoPeless by lurcher · · Score: 5, Informative

      The company that Bill and Dave started is still doing just fine, Its now Agilent (Life Sciences) and Keysight (Test and measurement).

      http://www.agilent.com/home
      http://www.keysight.com

    2. Re:HoPeless by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is pretty typical of modern corporate America, unfortunately. Wall Street often rewards layoffs with a stock price bump, because it's an easy way to cut costs and boost short-term profits, as well as a way for a company to rid itself of any potential deadwood (in theory) that's dragging it's performance down. It's pretty likely this is also a move that will generate a short term boost as well, which means high-fives all around the boardroom.

      Well, it would be foolish to get sentimental over the withering of a corporation, except for the fact that the low folks on the totem pole are the ones who get laid off first. Business tends to be Darwinian in nature, and if HP can't get it's shit together, then it simply leaves room for a competitor that will, and hopeful those new competitors are hiring. It's aggravating that CEOs continue to profit while they suck the life from a business, but I suppose it's quite literally none of my business how they want to run and ruin theirs.

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    3. Re:HoPeless by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      The problem is those competitors are hiring in China and India. While being a capitalist at heart, I recognize this as a flaw with capitialism.

    4. Re:HoPeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as a way for a company to rid itself of any potential deadwood (in theory) that's dragging it's performance down.

      Funny that the price-dragging deadwood never comes from the top.

      Ain't it?

    5. Re:HoPeless by dixonpete · · Score: 1

      What about 'The Machine'?

    6. Re:HoPeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what happens when you put women in charge.

    7. Re:HoPeless by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      What do an NYC Pink Floyd cover band have to do with Carly Fiona? She's a fan, or...?

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    8. Re:HoPeless by msauve · · Score: 1

      +1.

      HP is only a name (run by empty suits) these days.

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    9. Re:HoPeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its not a flaw. Its a feature.

    10. Re:HoPeless by dixonpete · · Score: 2
    11. Re:HoPeless by antdude · · Score: 1

      It seems this happens a lot to many companies. :(

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    12. Re:HoPeless by guacamole · · Score: 1

      A diverse company like HP was bound not to have a consistent leadership and direction. This is why activist stockholders were calling for company's split up for decades.

    13. Re:HoPeless by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      To be fair, 3rd-world manufacturing has been eating into consumer and high-volume manufacturing for a lot of companies. Figuring out the future is not easy, especially for a hardware company.

    14. Re:HoPeless by moofmonkey · · Score: 0

      Apple managed it OK.

    15. Re:HoPeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean capitalism is only O.K. as long as it benefits Americans ? I always suspected that.

    16. Re:HoPeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You mean capitalism is only O.K. as long as it benefits Americans ? I always suspected that."

      I not sure I understand you. What is the purpose of an economic system if not to broadly benefit the individuals taking part in that system? If you're suggesting it's morally wrong for Americans to consistently expect disproportionate enrichment at the expense of other national economies, I'd agree with that.

    17. Re:HoPeless by coryhamma · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info on Keysight. I don't use test equipment, but I know that it is an oft-overlooked portion of HP that closely resembles the original company. What they call HP now seems to be more of a brand sticker.

    18. Re:HoPeless by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      It's just sad to see these once respected companies turn into such failures. Many companies just become victims of their own legacy. Too much bloat, too many distractions, too hard to affect change from the bottom. Big tech companies with long legacies are generally pathetic when it comes to efficiency; they end up with too much baggage and it takes to much effort to overcome the inertia to actually change anything. HP has some good products, it's unfortunate to see them flailing when they could dominate.

    19. Re:HoPeless by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Yes, but so many others F'd it up

  8. Spin off the printer/ink division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HP's printer-ink division should spin off the printer and ink division so the rest of the divisions don't have to compete with 10000% profit margins. The shareholders of the new printer/ink-free company will have reasonable performance expectations, so HP can stop shitcanning things that are "only" making normal profit.

  9. Some advice to the CEOs... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you can't figure out how to make one company successful, why double your workload?

    1. Re:Some advice to the CEOs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I interpret your post correctly, HP is taking your advice. Each CEO of the two new companies can focus on a considerably smaller, cohesive set of opportunities and problems, and so can their sales forces and marketing staffs.

      It seems that Corporate America constantly goes through cycles: there's the expansion (M & A) phase, where conglomerates are put together and companies seek to be "global competitors" that offer "one stop shopping" to their corporate accounts. Then that's followed by the "stick to our knitting" phase where corporations divest their "non-core assets" so they can be "lean and mean". Of course, investment bankers on Wall Street are there the entire time to suggest that Mr/Ms CEO do one or the other, depending on what will lead to the most fees.

    2. Re:Some advice to the CEOs... by Salgat · · Score: 1

      It makes sense though. You expand as much as you can until you can no longer grow, then split up and repeat the process. This maximizes growth.

  10. boat anchor by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So they're dropping their company's boat anchor (the lowest quality PCs, laptops, and printers in existence) and expecting it to float? Good luck with that.

    1. Re:boat anchor by MikeKD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, but it will help with their parachutes.

    2. Re:boat anchor by Bigby · · Score: 1

      There is a reason why IBM sold their PC business, Dell went private, and HP is selling theirs off. PC production shrinking and too competitive. The need will always be there, but the margin is like running a convenience store. They are sending it off to "die". But only die in the wall street sense.

    3. Re:boat anchor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet Asus, Lenovo, Acer, and Samsung make boatloads and make much better PCs.

      I am guessing that when you are an ODM and not an OEM, you can afford to design unique and interesting things, and not lose your shirt.

  11. Itanic based Integrities by unixisc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Would the Integrity line a.k.a. Itanic be a part of the latter?

  12. Not so fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether the server and consumer products are truly distinct quality wise or the enterprise half benefiting from much gentler treatment can be debated.

    However, it does weaken the position of both companies relative to Intel and other chip vendors, manufacturers, memory modules, drive vendors, and so on and so forth. Expect prices to rise and delays to start occurring in fulfillment.

    The enterprise half may be glad to not show the low margin nature of the consumer business on its quarterly reports, but it is a vital component of keeping cost down.

  13. Buy back the name by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good. It's only a matter of time now until the PC unit fails and the HP name can be bought back by its proper owner Keysight.

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  14. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the same time IBM's x86 server and consumer business reunite under one roof, HP seeks to reproduce the failing strategy IBM did in 2005 of breaking the businesses apart.

    IBM prices suffered not only the general 'screw you we are IBM', but jumped noticeably when they suddenly represented a much smaller market opportunity for component vendors.

    It's still not clear what Dell plans to do once private, but the opportunity is certainly there for Lenovo and Dell to tear HP up in both markets

    1. Re:Funny... by plopez · · Score: 1

      Going private will probably help out Dell as business decisions will no longer be made by Wall Street. The situation of chasing stock price has become so dysfunctional that the best way to ruin a company is to go public with it and let the suits in. See Turner broadcasting and Google as cases of this effect.

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    2. Re:Funny... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      As soon as I saw this story, I heard the "Dude! You're gonna get a Dell!" Dude in my head.

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  15. Hp rack rails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wish HP would take a pointer from Dell on rack rails. I cut myself putting HP rails in. At least they don't need those square rack nuts any more. Those suck (I'm looking at you Supermicro 1U server rails).

    1. Re:Hp rack rails by miller701 · · Score: 1

      I prefer them to the Dell style rails where you have to drop the servers in to the extended rails vertically (the server remains horizontal).

      Got it? Got it? Oops, CRASH!!

        It hasn't been a problem yet, but every time we set one up, it's really nerve wracking.

  16. It's all about the memristor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jettison the low-margin, uber-competitive market stuff to a sep. entity. Divvy up shares as appropriate. Wait some months. Release memristor. If hugely successful, that (now) smaller entity valuation is much free'er to increase in value.

  17. Last CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Didn't the last CEO of HP pitch this? The stock fell 40%, the CEO was fired, and the board said "No, No, No, we're not going to do that."

    HP consumer PC segment must be hurting bad for Whitman to revise that decision.

    1. Re:Last CEO by moofmonkey · · Score: 1

      Yes he (Leo Apotheker) did. And he was right. Also, he might have overpaid (granted) for Autonomy, but the whole so-called "fraud" that neither Whitman's board, nor their lawyers and accountants doing the due diligence spotted (because it wasn't), is the basis for a massive write-down that Whitman needed as a backdrop to make it appear as if her efforts generated any revenue whatsoever. Whitman's HP's devious avoidance of legal discovery is entirely congruous with a strategy of sweeping her crap under the carpet of that write-down, based on no discernible evidence and HP's accounting misunderstanding at best. She is possibly the most toxic HP CEO since Fiorina.

  18. Good and Bad news for Dell/Lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good news is that Enterprise half just shot themselves in the foot. Dell and Lenovo have a golden opportunity to smack down HP. It's really astonishing, as if HP isn't paying attention. Not only to what happened to IBM server business in 2005 or what happened when previous CEO even broached the topic, but what they themselves did over the last year. When the latest IBM/Lenovo deal got announced, HP scared away a non-trivial chunk of IBM/Lenovo server business by talking about how scary and uncertain things were and how they were a business that wasn't screwing around with itself. Now they are on the path of IBM a decade ago, their stock likely to do what it did last time this was discussed, and their future business is going to act like IBM's business this year. Just after the dust has settled on the Lenovo deal and Dell is done going private, HP surrenders the benefit of being the only vendor not 'reinventing' itself to perhaps the most dubious potential benefit.

    Bad news is that historically HP's spinoffs have done well and without being beat up by the enterprise groups, they may have a revival in the consumer space. The server group benefits from the scale of the consumer group, but the consumer group really doesn't have the converse situation. If they are a company that can focus on the mission of consumer devices, they may make a pretty compelling effort.

  19. HP doesn't understand how the two support... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... each other. The printers are well known, they have an impact in small business and medium business. When those businesses get larger they feel more comfortable contacting with HP because it is a company they know.

    Take that away and they will will see other options as equally attractive.

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    1. Re:HP doesn't understand how the two support... by guacamole · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work this way. I worked as sysadmin for near decade in academia, where HP had a near monopoly grip on the network printing. Users were mostly happy with the HP printers, but that never really made anything think: "HP's printers are good.. why don't I buy some PCs or servers from them.." HPs desktop machines always had a pretty weak reputation among sysadmins and users. Dell and Apple were always number one when it came to desktop systems, while the data centers had all kinds of computers, starting with RISC unix servers in the 90s, and slowly transitioning to Windows and Linux x86 machines in the last decade.

    2. Re:HP doesn't understand how the two support... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      The HP computers have a bad rep because the consumer grade HP computers are probably the most crapware bloated pieces of shit you can buy. I have never seen machines from any other company with as much shit on them as an HP system. The first thing I do with most of those machines is wipe the harddrive. But with the HP machines it is an absolute requirement.

      I personally hate their computers and would never buy from them at this point. Even their printers don't impress me much these days.

      That said... there is value in brand recognition IF you have a good brand. Their printers are generally well regarded and I can tell you that in the business world they like to stick with companies that give them products they like. That said... I would never buy their desktop systems. Too much shit on them.

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    3. Re:HP doesn't understand how the two support... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can get a laser printer or a PA RISC machine from the mid-90s, you will be amazed about the quality. At that time, the MBAs still had Engineering Supervision (Bill and Dave). I would not touch the current stuff, though.

      But in the end it was the fault of the Hewlett and Packard families. They thought they could raise their kids in some pinky, new-age, liberal manner which turns out musicians instead of engineers. And some MBA could run the company. Compare that to the Piech/Porsche family who raised Ferdinand Piech into a first-rate Auto CEO of VW by nicely educating and grooming him.

  20. The EMC merger rumor now makes much more sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EMC merged with the enterprise division, bringing Donatelli back to the fold would be very interesting.

  21. Divide and Conquer... by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    ...Merge, downsize, split the stock and/or split the business, rinse, lather, repeat. Corporations are in constant motion and adjustment of their books in order to manage the market, the labor costs, the tax laws, SEC, and the international equities market. All is a hedge on a future that is profitable to a select few, but it impacts all of us. It seems that the interests of these large corporations cause a great deal of uncertainty for their employees and the market in order to be competitive. It was a lot simpler when HP made money by having a superior, high value, affordable product . Now that is no longer the focus because of the complexity of our laws and the incentives offered to a select few who benefit more from a dose of chaos and uncertainty and losses. Especially loss of labor costs whenever it suits them.

  22. in related news by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I got an email ad from HP saying it was my 'last chance'' to get a Win 7 PC

  23. compaq for private... at first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps compaq will be revived as a consumer brand. Then compaq will start selling budget business hardware. Then hp. Business will start selling high end consumer stuff. This way the companies end up in the scenario of a few years ago halfway through the hp/compaq merger.

  24. First generation pieces of the Machine out soon by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 2

    The Gen9s have some of the memory tech starting in a couple of months.

    I really hope they take the labs, both the ProLiants and the Integrity gear and keep them running as they have been. The Mark Hurd years were hard on them, and things fell behind. From a customer standpoint, it seems like Meg's been letting them be engineers again.

    I hope those teams survive. My blades and my Integrity boxes are the only things that haven't died in my datacenter. My storage vendors haven't been remotely as solid.

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  25. Say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whaa..?

  26. The main question is... by Schlaegel · · Score: 1

    Will people be buying an H Printer, or a P Printer?

  27. Again? by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

    I've lost count of how many times HP split off/spun off parts of the company in the last 20 years ...

  28. Re: PC LOAD LETTER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More important: will the new company finally start offering free singles of "Still" (by Geto Boys) with each new laser printer purchase? and maybe a free baseball bat, too?

  29. Re:Women have wrecked HP. by captjc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, Bean counters and MBAs have wrecked HP. Pointy Haired Bosses know no gender.

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  30. And to get clear branding by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    They will probably keep the consumer side as HP and name the business side something else. Now what could this new company be called. Oh hey! Let's call it Compaq!

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  31. Pat who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "according to one of the sources, Patricia Russo"

    Not THE Pat Russo, of Alcatel + Lucent fame?

    Because if so, my condoleances to HP employees; you've drawn a truly short straw!

    captcha: "suffer"

  32. HoPeless by Forgefather · · Score: 1

    You know what? I won't be sad to see them go. After the garbage that they loaded on to the consumer market, and they way that they have mismanaged their company why should they deserve to slog on with reputation alone?

    It makes me happy to see that even a behemoth like HP is mortal, and producing lousy products can result in the brow beating of a company no matter how long it takes and how much money they make. .

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  33. it must be sai by daviskw · · Score: 1

    Out of the slppery depths of Hell the Leviathan rises once more. DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION has returned. Say it with me Brothers and sisters: all hail the PDP- 16894. Hoozaah. Hoozaaah. Is that a tear of joy or despair. We will never know.

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  34. Re: First generation pieces of the Machine out soo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go with EMC, they just buy everything up and rebrand.

  35. Re:Women have wrecked HP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with that. The men have been just as bad if not worse.

  36. Sales strategy by NewYork · · Score: 1

    I think they will sell-off one of them