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Why Military Personnel Make the Best IT Pros

Nerval's Lobster writes Every year, approximately 250,000 military personnel leave the service to return to civilian life. When the home front beckons, many will be looking to become IT professionals, a role that, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, is among the fastest growing jobs in the country. How their field skills will translate to the back office is something to ponder. With the advent of virtualization, mobile, and the cloud, tech undergoes rapid changes, as do the skill sets needed to succeed. That said, the nature of today's military—always on the go, and heavily reliant on virtual solutions—may actually be the perfect training ground for IT. Consider that many war-fighters already are IT technicians: They need to be skilled in data management, mobile solutions, security, the ability to fix problems as they arise onsite, and more. Military personnel used to working with everything from SATCOM terminals to iPads are ideally suited for handling these issues; many have successfully managed wireless endpoints, networks, and security while in the field. Should programs that focus on placing former military personnel in civilian jobs focus even more on getting them into IT roles?

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  1. Some would be well suited. by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my field (systems engineering,) discipline, troubleshooting skills and attention to detail are pretty critical. I would think an ex-military person would be the ideal antidote to the cowboy sysadmins you see at a lot of places. Those guys get a lot done, but can cause a lot of damage by not thinking through things to their full conclusion. Good military people (and I'm not one) aren't just rule-followers -- they're good at seeing where they fit in a bigger picture, something that really is lacking in a lot of folks' skill sets.

    1. Re:Some would be well suited. by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the other hand, bad former-military people were cogs in a machine, and don't see past their prescribed task at all.

      I don't think that having been military or not really gives much of a sign of how one will work out.

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    2. Re:Some would be well suited. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In my field (systems engineering,) discipline, troubleshooting skills and attention to detail are pretty critical. I would think an ex-military person would be the ideal antidote to the cowboy sysadmins you see at a lot of places. Those guys get a lot done, but can cause a lot of damage by not thinking through things to their full conclusion. Good military people (and I'm not one) aren't just rule-followers -- they're good at seeing where they fit in a bigger picture, something that really is lacking in a lot of folks' skill sets.

      Ah, but how to tell the good military guys from the ones who have had any imagination or scientific rigor beat out of them? I know a lot of good ex-military IT guys, and a lot of so-so ones that simply repeat what's in the manual because hey, it's the manual, it's never wrong (until it is, and then the manual is shredded since it's worthless if it has even 1 minor mistake in it.) If you have a very rules-oriented IT department then military guys can fit right in, just don't ever think about assigning them to supervise any non-ex-military staff, it will blow up like a claymore.

    3. Re:Some would be well suited. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After this comment, there is no further need for discussion.

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    4. Re:Some would be well suited. by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am less worried about the 'cog' people since they probably will not get very far in IT due to lack of, well, being useful..

      The military people I have had trouble with in the past were ones who had really internalized hierarchy and protocol then have trouble when others do not fall into line with their expected behavior and deference.

    5. Re:Some would be well suited. by RingDev · · Score: 5, Informative

      Up until 2001 the USMC had computer programmers (MOS 4067) and IT Specialists (MOS 4066). We built our own networks, pulled our own cables, congifured our own servers, wrote our own SQL, built our own apps, cursed at IBM for the pain and suffering that was Lotus Notes, ripped on the old Chief Warrant Officers that were still writing green-screen crap. The whole nine yards.

      Most of the guys/gals in those fields were actually pretty smart, creative, and had no problems converting to civilian life.

      Unfortunately, Clinton started, and Bush Jr finished privatizing all of the 4067s and the vast majority of the 4066s (I think the handful of positions kept were lat moved into a new MOS in admin).

      One of the guys I worked with, a Cpl, got out making $14.4k a year (base pay for an E4 in 2000), got hired by a contracting firm and started back up at HQ MC, in the exact same role and desk and his pay rate was $140k a year (bill rate was probably $200k+ per year).

      So massive money savings move there...

      I think the Air Force still has enlisted/officer software and network techs though. If I hadn't gotten out, I would have transferred that way.

      -Rick

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    6. Re:Some would be well suited. by RingDev · · Score: 4, Informative

      Spray and Pray (not Prey) wasn't an trained approach to firearms use in the Marine Corps. Taking headshots with an M-16 on iron site at the 500 yard line on the other hand, that is some attention to detail.

      We did use covering fire, but the intent there isn't to kill, it's to get people to keep their heads down while your buddy is advancing to a position where he can get a better shot.

      -Rick

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    7. Re:Some would be well suited. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After this comment, there is no further need for discussion.

      The article is dumb. It is asking "why" something is true, yet providing no evidence that it actually is true. I have worked with lots of ex-military, and am one myself, but I have never seen any reason to believe they are better or worse than anyone else at anything. I haven't even found them to be particularly good at "following orders". Well, I suppose I could beat most of my co-workers at field stripping a machine gun, but that is not a useful skill in most civilian occupations.

    8. Re:Some would be well suited. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As I understand it this especially applies to USMC who are NEVER free from service and can be called back any time.

      Ex-Marine here. When I left active service ("transferred to the 1st Civ Div" in milspec lingo), I was given an option of converting to reserve, or being completely discharged, free of any future obligation. I chose the reserves mostly because I needed the money (I was going back to college), but also because spending one weekend a month riding helicopters and shooting machine guns didn't seem too bad.

      In 1990 my reserve unit was mobilized for Desert Storm. Of the 120 Marines, 119 showed up on the mobilization date. But 18 ex-Marines showed up, because they heard about the mobilization on the local news. We interviewed them, re-enlisted 16 of them on the spot, gave them a haircut, handed them a rifle, and put them on the bus to Camp Pendelton. So we shipped out at 112% strength. When we returned stateside, I decided I was getting too old and was likely to be assigned to a desk job, so I dropped out and became a 100% civilian.

      Semper Fi

    9. Re:Some would be well suited. by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've known plenty of former military people both in and out of IT work that had no interest in learning beyond the minimum. I think that you're projecting.

      My admittedly anecdotal observation is that the ratios are about the same, being former-military does not give a boost.

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    10. Re:Some would be well suited. by Sepodati · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a soon-to-be retired job seeker, all I want is what's in your last statement. Being military doesn't make me more or less suited for the job. Evaluate me based on my experience, achievements and skills I can bring to the job in question.Just give me a fair chance in the interview so sink or sell myself.

      Although this is a crap dice propaganda article and many of the comments scare me, they are enlightening, also. You guys are helping me prepare for interviews.

    11. Re:Some would be well suited. by nolife · · Score: 3, Informative

      From my experience, the "military" or command mentality is this:
      Follow my orders, questioning things is a sign of subordination, obey my guidance because I am right, just do it, and you don't have enough info to make your own decisions.

      We have all worked for those people.

      The one thing I have found without a doubt from every person I have met that has some or all of those characteristics is a person that is not truly comfortable with what they are doing. They are afraid of people digging in deeper into the why and how because they themselves do not know or did not think or care to ask. They do not want to be questioned because it may expose their own weaknesses. It is a mechanism they use to deflect the questions and reasons hoping you will just accept them. I've seen this from both ex military non military people with no more of one than the other. I've also found that if the person really does not know what they are doing or in over their head but is playing the part, they will EVENTUALLY be exposed at some point. It's usually not long for once a few people on both sides of that supervisor or person start really digging until they are gone.

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  2. Alternate title by rebelwarlock · · Score: 4, Funny

    Former military person seeking IT job.

    1. Re:Alternate title by tbuddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or Dice Clickbait Cancer

    2. Re:Alternate title by lars5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ~40% of the IT dept where I work is ex-military. We run circles around the other IT depts in our company (where the ex-military % is 0 - 10%).

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  3. Military personnel have a different attitude... by MindPrison · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...than most people who haven't served in the military.

    In the military there are no excuses for failure, yes - everyone can get it wrong, but if you're a military man...you don't complain, you get it DONE!
    That attitude alone solves a LOT of problems. I've been working in the IT Sector for a LONG time and no matter what field you're in, I could spot a former military man MILES away, because they have a positive go-getter attitude, and I've yet to ever hear an long boring attitude related discussion about an issue with such a man, they listen - and work until the problems are solved.

    I'd hire people like that in a heartbeat!

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    1. Re:Military personnel have a different attitude... by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Systems are delivered ready-to-use, and the military personnel are there to follow the book to keep them running

      Not even close. Former Marine, and current defense contractor here. DoD systems need constant work, and work-arounds. Finding ways to get things done, despite the systems provided, is part of daily military life.

      Military branches are generally conservative in nature because they must stick with what works

      Not in today's world. What worked in the last war won't work in the next one, and everyone recognizes the need to innovate and be flexible.

      Theirs is not develop new doctrine, but to follow the existing doctrine until it's replaced for them.

      Doctrine is ever changing, and if it doesn't work, it's abandoned.

      You clearly have zero experience with the military. We'd all appreciate it if you just kept quiet instead of using your outdated stereotypes and things you've seen in the movies.

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  4. It's a mixed bag by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For every former-military IT-pro that's a true expert in their field (of whom I've worked with a couple) there's a former-military IT-pro that was trained on one very specific system and cannot handle even basic common-knowledge tasks.

    I worked with someone that was former-military that started on the helpdesk like most people in the organization, and workorders were created with descriptions like, "Computer does not start." This description meant everything from the computer wouldn't power on to the user couldn't remember their password to log-in.

    I worked with someone else that was a communications cabling specialist that probably forgot more about cabling than I ever knew, and could deal with phones, copper ethernet, and fiber ethernet without batting an eye. So at least there's that.

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  5. Good attitude but rarely much aptitude by butchersong · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work with several IT guys that are former military. They're good guys and work hard but not one of them is an actual geek... If it isn't something they're trained in they just don't do very well. Small sample size in (my office) but I don't see it.

  6. Tasks in the military can be limited by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Informative

    I served in the Navy and trained as a cryptolinguist (Mandarin Chinese), though after my language training I decided military life wasn't for me and left for academia. I've kept in touch with a lot of my former service members who stayed in for their whole 4-year or 6-year enlistment, and it amazed me to see how almost none of them were able to transition to similar employment in the civilian world. On the language side, the sort of texts they were working with were limited and not at all like the business communications and government forms that drive the civilian translation market. On the technology-using side, they may have been whizbang operators of specialist military software, but they didn't get more experience in e.g. Office than anyone else out there. Consequently, my peers either entered whole different fields (one Chinese linguist became a marriage counselor) or entered IT only after doing a whole 4-year university degree in the civilian world to make up for what they lacked.

    The military might train you to do things, but they might not compare to what the civilian market wants. And sure, military people have a reputation for working under pressure and learning new skills, but in this day and age ever fewer civilian employers have the patience to keep paying you while they wait for you to learn new tricks.

    1. Re:Tasks in the military can be limited by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A coworker's son was a medic embedded with a squad or something along those lines doing forward patrols in our current theatres of war, and he literally had to save lives while bullets were flying. He can't get a job as an EMT because the rules say that he's not qualified becuase his Army credentials don't translate into the civilian world.

      Even if they do train you, that training might not be recognized or valued.

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  7. Interesting by Agares · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am in the military and it is hard to say how I compare to civilians since I haven't had an IT job on the civilian side yet (I did work in manufacturing before I joined). However I can say that in the few short years that I have been in I have worked on a plethora of systems. Possibly more than I ever could have with a civilian job. Furthermore the military can be very demanding and anyone who has been in can tell you that. Also everything you do someone’s life depends on it so it is more stressful than anything I had to do as a civilian. So those few things right there are probably why companies like to hire veterans. Especially when you think about the fact that we have great experience, work like mules, and can handle stress far easier than most of our civilian counter parts.

  8. Re:Just what we need in our server rooms by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    so government accessories to murder aka accomplices.

    As former military, can I just please have you BLOW ME you ignorant little leech on the ass of my country?

    People who go into the military with the idea that they want to meet interesting people AND KILL them usually get weeded out in basic training/boot camp. If not, they get weeded out in AIT (occupational training). People like that simply aren't stable enough to get through training in the modern army.

    Nobody else really goes into the military with the notion that they want to go out and kill people.

    The military's a place to serve one's country, get some occupational training, and rack up money for college. Maybe even find a lifetime career.

    There are over 1.4 million people on Active Duty with another million in Ready Reserve (includes National Guard).

    The vast MAJORITY of those troops are in military occupational specialties (MOS) that are NOT front-line combat (infantry).

    Nobody wants to have to be out there killing people. That usually means that pretty much every other option for negotiation (other than outright appeasement, and Vichy showed us how well THAT went over), has pretty much FAILED. And, even then, the objective of warfare by modern doctrine is NOT about body count. It's about removing the tools and resources necessary to successfully wage warfare against us.

    Does that mean we, eventually, wind up killing people?

    Yep!

    But better them than us.

    If YOU, in particular, don't happen to like it, TOUGH FUCKING SHIT. Find some way to serve this country that minimizes the future need for armed conflict and deployment of soldiers into combat that doesn't involve bending and spreading for a bunch of delusional fanatics. I can GUARANTEE you that the very FIRST people stepping up to thank you for your contributions will be the people you've just put out of a job.

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    Chas - The one, the only.
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  9. As in ~erinarian, not as in ~eran. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    "spay and pray" [correct this time]

    Only if you're a vet.

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