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A Production-Ready Flying Car Is Coming This Month

cartechboy writes It's 2014. Where the heck are our flying cars? We were promised flying cars. We should be living like The Jetsons, right? Well, we aren't, but we are about to take one step closer: a production-ready flying car is debuting this month. Slovakia's Aeromobil is planning to unveil its "Flying Roadster" at the Pioneers Festival in Vienna, Austria on October 29. The latest iteration is called the Aeromobil 3.0, and work on it dates back to 1990. The Aeromobil 2.5 prototype made its first flight about a year ago. The Aeromobil transforms from plane to car by folding its wings behind the cockpit. Supposedly, the Aerobmoil will fit in a standard parking spot and run on pump gas. In less than a month, our dreams could become a reality.

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  1. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And I'll cook with radar to-night.

    1. Re:Right by Teresita · · Score: 3

      A car with wings, saw a Bond villain make off with one in 1975. Been there, done that.

    2. Re:Right by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Even more unbelievable, it was an AMC Matador.

    3. Re:Right by ralphsiegler · · Score: 2

      And those of us born long before then have seen the 1949 Aerocar, which every keeps reinventing, badly.

    4. Re:Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cars, I don't know, but a flying bus, just go the "airport", they will fly you just about anywhere.

    5. Re:Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they 'fly' the way most people drive, I'm definitely staying out of the 'skyways'.

    6. Re:Right by hodet · · Score: 1

      This is not a flying car. It is a car that transforms into a plane. It is one or the other at any given time. My childhood dreams were of a car that lifted of the ground and landed where it needed. Not driven to the airport to fly to another airport and drive to where you are going from there. This is cool stuff though, but I can never equate this with the childhood dream of flying cars (like the jetsons) no matter how unrealistic that might have been.

    7. Re:Right by st0nes · · Score: 1

      I saw a movie called 'Fantamas' which featured a flying Citroen (I think). Must have been late 60s.

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  2. Crash Test? by weilawei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bet you'll not see this in the US any time soon. I wonder what its crash test ratings would look like.

    1. Re:Crash Test? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Moller's Air Car is "production ready" and flew something like 10 years ago, but hasn't got either FAA or NHTSA/EPA certifications. So it's illegal to fly, illegal to drive, but has flown and is production ready.

    2. Re:Crash Test? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Has he ever flown it off of the tether?

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Crash Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while hostile to the idea, it's not that it's "illegal", but that it's experimental, and can only be flown in a small sandbox. Similarly, it's not illegal to drive, it's illegal to threaten people's lives with on the public streets.

    4. Re:Crash Test? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Simple truth is that it would be a bad airplane and a bad car.

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    5. Re:Crash Test? by jigawatt · · Score: 2

      Moller doesn't have a flying car of any kind. He has a camera, some editing tools, and a hat turned upside down.

    6. Re:Crash Test? by richlv · · Score: 1

      of course you won't see it any time soon. if it's presented in the nonexistent city of "Vianna", it's clearly a scam.

      (or more like an indicator of the extreme intelligence of some)

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    7. Re:Crash Test? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I don't think so.

    8. Re:Crash Test? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      He has flown it in front of independent people.

    9. Re:Crash Test? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

      What a load of BS. Moller's "flying car" is a joke -- a bit like Stan Meyer's water-powered car was. It's always easy to create a conspiracy to cover up a complete lack of substance when you're busy trying to milk gullible investors!

      As for the flying car referenced in this article/video -- it's just like all the others and will never "fly" from a commercial perspective because:

        - it's a crappy car (too many compromises in order to make it fly)
        - it's a crappy plane (too many compromises in order to make it drive)
        - it's a death-trap (because of the two points listed above)
        - it's probably going to be *way* overpriced -- such that you could buy both a *good* car and a *good* plane for less money and without the compromises.

    10. Re:Crash Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HEY BOBBY CHECK THIS OUT!

      - Famous Last Words by a Redneck

      6 months later on Fox News...

      FBI expands terrorist watchlist to all southern states

    11. Re:Crash Test? by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. We don't have the technology to make a flying car that is both a good car and a good plane. You just end up with all-around suckyness.

    12. Re:Crash Test? by tibit · · Score: 1

      We definitely have the technology to do that, but you need a lot of capital to make it. Think of a scale of endeavor somewhere between Tesla and Space X. When you look at all the flying cars so far, they're all designed like if they were kit planes. That kind of a design doesn't work for cars, and even for planes it's not what you need for production - it's very inefficient. For a decently performing plane-car, we're likely talking of STOVL or somesuch, and it'd definitely need a completely custom drivetrain - as in you need to design everything, including the engine, you can't just buy a Rotax and call it a day. For one thing, the drivetrain would likely have to be structural, like on modern F1 cars. For another, you need to design the maintainability and diagnostics from the get-go. None of this is cheap. I'd fully expect a decent road-worthy, well-performing flying car to weigh around 2.5 tons with a couple of passengers, and it wouldn't exactly be a gas sipper during the typical short commute where the vertical thrust is applied for a large fraction of it.

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    13. Re:Crash Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moller has had every opportunity to come out with his Skycar and has failed. You can't blame it on the FAA/NHTSA/EPA in this regard. Where is the car, demonstrate it untethered. The FAA could and would give him permission for test flights. Why hasn't he done it? Because the car doesn't work. I really rooted for him too because the essence of a flying car is in it's VTOL capability and he looked like he had the best chance of making it happen. Instead he relies on his muffler business, The Moller SuperTrapp to fund Moller Skycar. Also, the Moller Skycar design is a human Cuisinart deathtrap. Go ahead, land on an unsuspecting person as you VTOL down into a parking space while they are walking underneath you. Not to mention the downwash created by the damned thing.

    14. Re: Crash Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For it to be practical you need to use a laser power transmission network, with low energy guide beams and short bursts of high energy.

  3. Flying Cars by mythosaz · · Score: 1

    ...as disused by Dante and Randall.

    http://youtu.be/YsSCBxzlDbU

    1. Re:Flying Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We had a flying car back in 1979. It was called the "General Lee". Didn't fly very far though, and the landings were a bit rough but its horn played a catchy little tune.

    2. Re:Flying Cars by weilawei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Flying cars. From Wiki:

      Although the estimated number of General Lees used varies from different sources, according to Ben Jones ("Cooter" in the show), as well as builders involved with the show, 256 General Lees were used to film the series. Others claim about 321 were used in the series. Approximately 17 still exist in various states of repair. On average, more than one General Lee was used up per show. When filming a jump, anywhere from 500 to 1,000 pounds (230 to 450 kg) of sand bags or concrete ballast was placed in the trunk to prevent the car from nosing over. Later in the series the mechanics would raise the front end of the car to keep it from scraping against the ramp causing it to lose speed, thereby providing a cushion for the driver upon landing. Stunt drivers report enjoying the flights but hating the landings. Despite the ballast, the landing attitude of the car was somewhat unpredictable, resulting in moderate to extremely violent forces, depending on how it landed. On many of the jumps the cars bent upon impact. All cars used in large jumps were immediately retired due to structural damage.

  4. You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In case you don't drive much, its already too scary with cars on the ground. Can you imagine some of these idiots flying around? The horrendous crashes? Care to think about what it would be like when someone careens into the top floor of an office building and explodes into a fireball? Thankfully flying tech has not progressed to reality.

    1. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only it required some sort of license to operate an aircraft!

    2. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, ok, you have a point I guess, but adding a third dimension gives one a lot more room to maneuver, and it would seem that it would reduce the chances of collision. Visualize, you're not flying at 70 MPH less than 20 feet behind another hurtling piece of metal on exactly the same vector, just a few feet from similar hurtling pieces of metal at exactly the opposite vector. Where air traffic gets dangerous is around the choke points, usually airports.

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    3. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In case you don't drive much, its already too scary with cars on the ground. Can you imagine some of these idiots flying around? The horrendous crashes? Care to think about what it would be like when someone careens into the top floor of an office building and explodes into a fireball? Thankfully flying tech has not progressed to reality.

      Obviously manual controls would only work outside of restricted airspace; within restricted airspace, you'd be under the guidance of the airspace control computer.

    4. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Sounds like job openings. Just watch unemployment sink!

    5. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      It requires some sort of license to operate a regular car, but that doesn't prevent many crashes...

    6. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough I think flying cars could be a better target for automation than those disastrous ground-based driverless cars.

      The problem space is much more defined in the air than on the ground and, given that it's difficult for a human to look in all directions at once or judge distances of rapidly approaching objects, should probably be mandatory.

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    7. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough I think flying cars could be a better target for automation than those disastrous ground-based driverless cars.

      The problem space is much more defined in the air than on the ground and, given that it's difficult for a human to look in all directions at once or judge distances of rapidly approaching objects, should probably be mandatory.

      With a reserved airspace that has no manually controlled vehicles whatsoever, it's definitely a better target for automation (assuming quadrotor style manueverability). The thing that makes the ground hard is the manually controlled vehicles, the people, trash cans, road surface damage, and other mobile obstacles. Take that away, and you no longer need vision systems or any of it.

    8. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      When you increase density, the laneless becomes vastly more dangerous. And a cheap and accessible flying car would increase air traffic density greatly.

    9. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by FreeRadicalX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually it prevents a shit ton of crashes.

    10. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Obviously manual controls would only work outside of restricted airspace; within restricted airspace, you'd be under the guidance of the airspace control computer.

      I love the aviation consultants on this forum...

    11. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      You're right, my wording was inaccurate. Still, there are many crashes it doesn't prevent.

    12. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "Funnily enough I think flying cars could be a better target for automation than those disastrous ground-based driverless cars."

      Well for one thing there are very few pedestrians and stray dogs wandering across the aerial 'streets'

    13. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by richlv · · Score: 1

      "In case you don't ride horses much..."

      there was surely somebody with the same views when cars just started :)

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    14. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People would still just fly up and block you if they saw you coming at a high rate of speed and in a hurry.

      Everyone knows you aren't allowed to be in a hurry on the road. Retired old simpletons have nothing to do and nowhere to be and you should really just put-put along like they do because everyone is the same.

      I have recently ran into old people who drive 30mph in a 40mph zone blocking the fast lane who then drive very aggressively because I passed them and got around the slowness. It's intentional I'm quite sure.

      I'm now rigging up my car to record such encounters because uploading videos of Grandpa flooring his Lincoln up to 70mph in a 45mph zone to try to block me after successfully passing will surely get me a *lot* of ad revenue on Youtube. I drive a souped up 4 banger with a big wing and they just *hate* me and my foreign car. I'm simply not allowed to ever pass them no matter how fast I try to go. They block the road doing less than the speed limit and the instant a spot opens where I could get by they floor it and "race" to the next obstacle. Sooooo I downshifted to 1st gear at 30mph and rocketed past with turbochargers screaming and got in front. Now this 70yr old guy is pissed I beat him at his "game" and keeps gaining so I keep accelerating. I had him going nearly 80mph in a 2 lane city street with a 45mph speed limit. My turn was coming up so I let him get back in front to see what he'd do and sure enough he flew in front of me and started slamming on the brakes..... So I called 911 and reported him for aggressive driving and then showed up to provide a statement. Next time I'll have video :)

    15. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by lazarith · · Score: 1

      I can't decide if a stray dog is more dangerous to a car than pigeons are to an airplane, but here you go.

    16. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Obviously manual controls would only work outside of restricted airspace; within restricted airspace, you'd be under the guidance of the airspace control computer.

      I love the aviation consultants on this forum...

      You do realize that we are no longer talking about Cessna's with Hemi's and whitewalls, we are talking about VTOL craft at this point, right? And some of us do have pilot's licenses, so we realize how ridiculous this particular vehicle is, right?

    17. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by opusman · · Score: 1

      So you mean you were doing 80mph in a 45mph limit as well?

      I'm not sure taking video of that and putting it on youtube is that good an idea.

    18. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Just never ask it to open the pod bay doors.

    19. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are talking about problems decades WAY past the point of inception. Its like saying in 1900 that we certainly cannot have cities full of horseless carriages. People would drive into each other, run over one another, etc. These were problems they already had with horse and buggies, extrapolated to the worst extreme. Yes it can and would happen, but not to everyone and not everywhere you go.

      The idea that there would be even a million people flying a very expensive vehicle tomorrow is absurd, even if they had the money to do so. There would be a few people who would do that, like they do now with helicopters. They would, for the most part, avoid each other and really only be able to fly in fair weather. Cell phone towers could easily keep an on-board mutual proximity adjuster to identify, predict, and decide where nearby flying cars are going, when they will be there and adjust the speed, altitude, and direction. If that was not workable, then GPS would do that.

      I am glad some of you Luddites were not around at inception of horseless carriages or we'd still be walking or riding a horse!!! The fact that there are so many of you fainting Frannies will certainly KEEP our vehicles on the crowded ground for at least your lifetime. Don't worry your little paranoid head about it one bit.

    20. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since ya'll truly believe that somehow everyone and their grandmother would suddenly be in a flying vehicle tomorrow with no training and no idea what they are doing, I suggest a flying taxi for starters. It could be driven by professional pilots at first and then slowly as people recover from their shock and awe at the strange flying craft (where are we in time now, the late 1800s???), they could train certain people with good eyesight to fly their own vehicles once they were properly trained and licensed. Some of ya'll really need to get out more.

    21. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Add to that, the low-density is mostly true when you get away from the ground. Aircraft density around airports is already sufficiently high that you need a very alert team of air traffic controllers to ensure that there aren't collisions and stories of near misses make the news every year. Flying cars would want to land in places that are convenient for people, so there would be similar density issues, no air traffic control (unless you require them to have an automated landing system that coordinates with other nearby vehicles) and far greater possibilities of killing people when they fall out of the sky (there's a reason why airports don't have buildings right next to the runways...).

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    22. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by AC-x · · Score: 1

      I think the licence to operate an aircraft might be just a teensy bit harder to get than the licence to operate a car...

    23. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Not this again.

      Of all the problems that flying cars actually DO have (relatively poor batteries, and terrible sound/noise pollution both to the occupants and surrounding neighbourhood), and you go on about safety.

      Ignoring that AI may drive instead of humans, or that we could create a lane system in the sky to keep traffic from colliding, another simple solution is to have a 'magnetic'-style repel, where if you get too close to another vehicle or object, your craft would repel and vice versa. This would allow immense freestyle fun flying and all the practicality of a real flying car.

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    24. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Two flying cars needn't get close though. The higher the speed, the less a car will be able to get close to another flying car or object. The repelling force will be proportional to the distance from that other object, and also both of their speeds (so you could go at 5mph at be very close to another flying car, and that would be okay).

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    25. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a driver's license.

      I also have a pilot's license.

      Why shouldn't I be able to operate a flying car?

    26. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Sique · · Score: 1

      People are talking about problems decades WAY past the point of inception. Its like saying in 1900 that we certainly cannot have cities full of horseless carriages. People would drive into each other, run over one another, etc. These were problems they already had with horse and buggies, extrapolated to the worst extreme. Yes it can and would happen, but not to everyone and not everywhere you go.

      This is a little bit ahistorical, as road signs and other traffic regulation is older than horseless cars. In the second half of the 19th century, London had the first road signs put up because of the increasing number of accidents involving bicyclists. When Carl Benz had his first horseless carriage ready, he immediately got handed down the first speed limits by the City of Mannheim: 4 mph within city limits, 8 mph outside. He later got the limits lifted by inviting some people from the city council for a ride on his carriage, and when even a milk carriage began to overtake his horseless one, they asked him to go faster, and when he objected because of the speed limits, they lifted it while still on the carriage.

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    27. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by rioki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good that you mention Karl Benz. The restrictions imposed on him, led to the first long distance driver being a woman. As the story goes, Karl Benz was only allowed to drive the car with prior police permission and only on closed off roads. He never drove the car himself, because of fear it would explode on him. So on 5 August 1888, when Karl was out, his wife Berta decided to visit her sister in Pfortsheim. As there where no other means of transportation she and her two sons took the car on the 106 km trip. This was without the permission of her husband and the police. They had to refuel on the way and bought the ethanol in a pharmacy. This story was a PR wonder that got many restrictions lifted.

    28. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      Birds aren't as dangerous to low speed propeller driven craft. So long as the windscreen can handle a decent impact then the plane shouldn't be disabled by a bad strike.

    29. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

      I'm glad /you/ won't be driving/flying one.

      Because anyone with intelligence would realize that in order to fly these vehicles you would still be required to take it to an airport and have clearance to take off if it's a controlled air port, and a license to fly, and filed a flightpath.

      The main perk of vehicles like this are in rural areas where distance between cities isn't that far by air, E.G over moumtains / water crossings, places with no roads.
      Then once you land, you can drive it to your final destination, and not have to pay for storage, arrange alternative transportation etc.

      These are not things that people are going to 'get to speed ' on an open road and just start flying around the fucking city.
      You should have just been marked troll.

    30. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Anti-gravity generators aren't common yet. Maybe in another 500 years.

    31. Re:You mean our nightmare could become a reality by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      How is flying a car sized plane into the top floor worse than driving a car into the ground floor?

  5. Still a fail by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    There's no way that can take off or land in a city.

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    1. Re:Still a fail by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Even so, the promise of one day soon, theoretically at least being able to get from a parking spot in LA to a parking spot in Seattle in less than 18 hours without having to get groped by the TSA or even get out of your vehicle is something that will turn the heads of a lot of wealthy travelers.

    2. Re:Still a fail by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a wealthy traveler just go to their local private airport and take a towncar at their destination?

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    3. Re:Still a fail by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Sure, if they were that wealthy, but my thought is that this would suit a lot of people in the range of wealth somewhere between "rich enough to own a private jet" and "just well-off enough to afford regular commercial airline flights." Imagine having enough money to buy a small aircraft (and time to get a license to fly it) OR a new luxury car, but not really feeling rich enough to justify buying both. Now, in theory, you wouldn't have to choose between having one or the other. Plus you get the geek points of being an early adopter of a real-life version of something that has been a science fiction mainstay for decades.

    4. Re:Still a fail by maeka · · Score: 2

      Imagine having enough money to buy a small aircraft (and time to get a license to fly it) OR a new luxury car, but not really feeling rich enough to justify buying both

      Except for the fact this car has the performance characteristics not of a private jet, but of a $40,000 used Cessna with half the seats removed and rocks in one of the fuel tanks. Anybody who can afford this can afford a comparable fixed-wing aircraft easily.

    5. Re:Still a fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a train? I took one this summer, about 500+ kilometers traveled in only four hours.
      That ended a trip with about 600km done on bicycle over ten days.

    6. Re:Still a fail by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There are piles of small airports in cities. Well, not Manhattan, but in Dallas and others, it's not that hard.

    7. Re:Still a fail by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Not if they have only one parking spot...

    8. Re:Still a fail by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed by the TGV too, but trains in the US don't go nearly that fast. Its actually *much slower* to travel the US Pacific coast by train than it is to simply drive I-5.

    9. Re:Still a fail by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, that's actually not far over the speed limit on the I5, but the distance from Los Angeles to Seattle is 1827.09 kilometers ... significant enough orders of magnitude greater than your trip that flight does become a viable time saver.

    10. Re:Still a fail by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It's hard to imagine someone who can afford to buy a small aircraft but can't afford to rent a car at the airport.

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    11. Re:Still a fail by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      125km/h is much slower than the TGV. The British Intercity trains can run at 125 miles per hour, which is 60% faster than that. Even our crappy commuter trains have a cruising speed of around 120km/h (at least, that's what my phone's GPS told me last time I was on one). The TGV held the record for the fastest average speed for a conventionally scheduled train in 2007, at 280km/h (which would have managed the grandparent's journey in just under 2 hours).

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    12. Re:Still a fail by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      if they were that wealthy,

      I don't think it is all that expensive to keep a plane at a private airport. And a towncar fom Uber is not much different from a taxi, cost-wise. Looking at my local airport (Wings) in the Philly burbs, tie-down fees for visitors are $20/day and heated hanger fees are $55/night.

      If you can't afford $20-55/night, then we have to downgrade you from "wealthy".

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    13. Re:Still a fail by rioki · · Score: 1

      I think the 500km / 4h figures are with stops included. So an average of 125km/h is not bad; even though it may be better. In most areas the problem is not the train, not even the track, but restrictions because of noise. (One of the primary reasons the German railway sucks.) On the other hand high speed train service in the US, especially in almost empty mid west should work quite well.

    14. Re:Still a fail by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The 280km/h figure for the TGV is including stops - the peak cruising speed is a fair bit higher. Averaging 120km/h isn't bad, but it's still about what I'd expect from cheap '80s rolling stock.

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  6. Humans can't drive NON-flying cars reliably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I can hardly wait for the average driver to have another dimension to deal with.

    Get the popcorn.

  7. Rules for aircraft are much stricter by warewolfsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can drive with a bent fender, but if you bend an aircraft it is instantly grounded until repaired, this may entail x-raying the superstructure etc. So a small bingle in a flying car means it instantly becomes just a car until repaired and approved for flight. Personally I cant see flying cars becoming a reality any time soon.

    1. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      That's under current law. Given that the populace have voted that it's okay to fail the driving test 59 times as long as you pass the 60th, and you can be half-blind and senile and still drive, current law may very well be revised.

      Of course we're dealing with FEDERAL bureaucrats, who are less accountable to the public than STATE ones, but democracy still works in the long run. Right now only rich weirdos fly their own planes, so we're okay f*ing them in the ass with safety regulations. If everyone, or a lot of people, realized they could potentially own and operate a flying car but for "red tape", we as a society will get the balance between safety and accessibility we choose.

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    2. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You can drive with a bent fender, but if you bend an aircraft it is instantly grounded until repaired,"

      While thats true for airliners or any other aircraft flying under part 119... for personal aircraft the rules a a little more lenient.

      --has flown many dented aircraft.--

    3. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by weilawei · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity (I'm not a pilot), what do the rules look like for personal aircraft? What level of damage is permissible/when do you need to break out the x-rays?

    4. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's all defined by the manufacturer and the FAA, who basically work together on airworthiness - the key word. You can only fly an airworthy airplane, so anything that affects the airworthiness of the airplane must be signed off on by a certified mechanic before further flight. The manufacturer has extensive and highly detailed rules (which they're required to enumerate for certification) relating to exactly what kinds of damage, wear, and modifications affect the airworthiness of the airplane. A bent fairing might not require anything at all. A popped tire probably requires inspection of the wheel and brake as part of the tire replacement procedure. There's all sorts of "must check X while fixing Y" rules, and everything has a lifetime - including the prop and engine. Furthermore, the FAA occasionally publishes "airworthiness directives" (ADs) which, usually in response to some sort of accident or failure pattern, must be addressed in a timely fashion (at next inspection, within 100 hours, before further flight, etc - whatever is specified). Non-compliance with an AD means that the airplane is unairworthy.

      Most small planes will never need an X-raying - I think the reason that the big boys use it is because they have more exotic and high-stress components (e.g. compressor turbine blades in a jet engine) or they're trying to take a more evidence-based view of failure than "replace after 2000 hours".

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    5. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by jandersen · · Score: 1

      So a small bingle in a flying car means it instantly becomes just a car until repaired and approved for flight.

      Oh, no, because it will be unambiguously proven that flying your car around is a fundamental right guaranteed by the constitution.

    6. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by tibit · · Score: 2

      Being half-blind, a.k.a. blind in one eye, shouldn't be a problem. I know that it's illegal to drive half-blind in some European countries, but that is IMHO just one of the many overreaching, stupid regulations. One thing I like about the U.S. is that being half-blind is not a problem here and you can certainly legally drive a car that way. Binocular vision isn't really necessary for driving a street car.

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    7. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      You mean, someone MIGHT then use a turn signal? This modern world is so amazing!

    8. Re:Rules for aircraft are much stricter by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      "Half-blind" was intended to mean, "poor, uncorrectable vision in both eyes". Not being an eye doctor, I have no opinion on whether being blind in one eye but having perfect or perfectly correctable vision in the other eye would be an issue. It seems like it would because the second eye is what gives you depth perception, but maybe not, and, in any case, denying someone the right to drive, especially in the United States, is a very serious infringement on liberty by the state, so I'd probably agree with you that someone with one working eye should be allowed to drive if he is still able to demonstrate competence behind the wheel.

      I wasn't necessarily saying I agree or disagree with lax regulations for driving. Since you brought up the topic, my main issue with driving in the US is lax penalties for intentionally doing unsafe things while driving. This includes driving while intoxicated (with alcohol or drugs), speeding, going so slow in the left lane as to cause a hazard because people try to pass you on the right, street racing, talking on the phone while driving, doing lipstick while driving, doing X while driving, etc. These violations, on a second offense at least, should result in at least a temporary license suspension. People can't control whether they're blind in one eye. People can control whether they talk on the phone.

      But, back to the topic, all I was saying is that, as a society, we're likely to vote ourselves less safety and more freedom regarding the privilege of piloting airplanes if flying cars become a reality. Because that's what we've done with normal cars.

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  8. Seen this before. by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It looks kind of like your average multipurpose tool.

    Sure, it does both both things.

    Just not as good as individual tools it replaces.

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    1. Re:Seen this before. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Of course, however, like the average multi purpose tools, you need to carry around only one instead of two. That's a great advantage in itself. So even though it doesn't drive as easily as a car and it doesn't fly as well as an aeroplane, it still beats having to lug an aircraft around on a trailer behind your car.

    2. Re:Seen this before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But just like a multi-tool, it has great uses that would endear it to a great many people. No, it would never replace a jet flying overseas. But with many people having commutes to work more than 40 miles 1 way, it would greatly enhance travel while decreasing travel time, reduce frustration, and generally help with a great number of things. It could not fly in bad weather. Even pros have a bad time with very airworthy craft in bad weather. And yet in fair weather it would be something that, once everyone got used to it, would say "why didn't we do this sooner????"

      People could live far out in the country, far away from the overcrowded city without worrying of being so far that they can't get groceries, emergency medical care, and other necessary services within 10 minutes.
      People could simply fly over cities that they don't have to stop in, thus reducing the amount of thru-traffic many places have to deal with now.

      People could visit friends in cities an hours drive away more easily than now. Because an hour on the ground would = about 15 minutes in the air.

      The blessings are almost limitless when you really think about it.

    3. Re:Seen this before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people need to carry around an AIRCRAFT?

    4. Re:Seen this before. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      This "flying car" (actually a roadable plane) is most likely to be a toy for private pilots. As such it is better than the sum of its parts.
      First it solves the problem of parking space. Getting hangar space in your local airfield may be difficult and/or expensive.
      Second it solves the problem of what to do after you land. Unless the place you want to go is in the airfield itself, you are likely to need a car to move around.
      Third it offers an alternative in case of bad weather. Unlike airliners many small aircraft can't fly in poor weather conditions, and not all private pilots have the required IFR certification. Also, many small airfields are not equipped to allow instrument landing. As a result it is good to know that you can simply drive back home if you are stuck.

      I am an ultralight pilot (LSA in the US) and I faced all three of these problems. They are bad enough to make flying little more than a hobby.

  9. Perhaps misnamed by MouseR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't so much of a flying car as it is a drivable plane.

    1. Re:Perhaps misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried that it might be a decepticon.

    2. Re:Perhaps misnamed by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Exactly! The promised flying car is for when you are sitting in traffic and you hit the big red button that jumps you ahead of the blockage, not this delicate thing.

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    3. Re:Perhaps misnamed by MouseR · · Score: 1

      Precisely. Driving out of town to get to the nearest airfield usually mean you're out of traffic and thus the whole thing is mute.

    4. Re:Perhaps misnamed by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The linked video shows that while it looks more plane than car, it has much more car-properties than plane-properties.

      It flies, but it doesn't look very stable when in the air, and it is only shown flying low above a runway. As this is a promo video, this means to me that this is the best they can do, and that they're not able to fly it above more interesting landscapes - be it due to licensing, or capabilities, or other reasons.

    5. Re:Perhaps misnamed by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Precisely. Driving out of town to get to the nearest airfield usually mean you're out of traffic and thus the whole thing is mute.

      Of course it's mute. Who wants a back-talking flying car?

    6. Re:Perhaps misnamed by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Just wait until Tesla / Elon Musk tries to create a flying car. He's the only person I'd trust to get the qualities the average person would expect in a flying car (pure electric, low noise/sound and excellent maneuverability control, as well as VTOL).

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    7. Re:Perhaps misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The linked video shows that while it looks more plane than car, it has much more car-properties than plane-properties.

      It flies, but it doesn't look very stable when in the air, and it is only shown flying low above a runway. As this is a promo video, this means to me that this is the best they can do, and that they're not able to fly it above more interesting landscapes - be it due to licensing, or capabilities, or other reasons.

      The FAA defines this (and other similar concepts) as a "roadable aircraft" not a "flying car".
      More to the point, when people talk about the Sci-Fi vision of a flying car, it's not using wings, jets, balloons, props, etc. It's using some type of magnetic or 'anti-gravity' levitation mechanism. THAT is the technology we were promised by the sci-fi visionaries, not VTOL craft which have been around for a long time.

    8. Re:Perhaps misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      David Hasselhof?

    9. Re:Perhaps misnamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er moot, mute is not the same thing

  10. Still decades away from Hollywood "flying cars." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This concept is just "roadable aircraft" - basically light planes you drive to and from an airport. And even if the FAA allowed you to takeoff and land on roads, that would be totally impractical since the roads aren't designed for it. Nor would it be safe for human pilots to land in and takeoff from other traffic. So we'll need (1)robocars, (2)redesign of the roads to allow takeoff and landing in some parts, (3)a radical overhaul of the regulatory and air traffic control system to accommodate a drastic expansion in low-altitude air travel directly over cities, and (4)changes to the licensing process for both aircraft and ground cars so that drivers/pilots can deal with the intersection of the two modes. I don't see much motivation for such a radical change, so it'll have to happen excruciatingly slowly.

  11. sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it stop.

  12. What's wrong with helicopters? by kylemonger · · Score: 1

    Or quadracopters, if you prefer. We have already have these cheapo drones that will basically fly themselves with the operator only telling them in a rough sense where to go. Why can't something like that be scaled up to carry people, with a similarly simple interface? I'd much rather see that than any kind of fixed wing flying car that you would need to drive to an airport just to take-off.

    1. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by suutar · · Score: 1

      This is a job for Moller!

    2. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Something like this?

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    3. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      I was hoping for something smaller. Something between sedan sized and this thing. But if I could ride somewhere in this thing, get out of it and have it fly off and park itself elsewhere, then fine. Otherwise parking is going to be too much of a hassle.

    4. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. That thing looks very cool. Thanks for the pointer!

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    5. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by weilawei · · Score: 1

      That's pretty awesome, but the website is incredibly sparse on pictures. Like a souped-up quadcopter for humans. With an exercise ball for a seat.

    6. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      Yikes. I don't think I'd want to be in the line of fire if one of those many rotors decides to let go.

    7. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by jcr · · Score: 1

      The rotors are small enough that if one hits you, you get a nasty bruise instead of a life-threatening laceration. Smaller rotors also means much less noise, since higher frequencies don't carry as far.

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    8. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if I could ride somewhere in this thing, get out of it and have it fly off and park itself elsewhere, then fine.

      Exactly.

      Flying cars need to be fully robotic to catch on. If they can be safely used by a child or a drunk, and they can navigate by themselves to pick people up, drop them off, and park somewhere, then their advantages over ground cars become compelling.

      -jcr

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    9. Re:What's wrong with helicopters? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The problem with helicopters is that maintaining your altitude in one consumes a lot of energy. Ideally you want something more like some of the gyrocopter designs that can take off like a helicopter but fly like an autogyro or a fixed-wing aircraft.

      Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because we can make small drones we can make human-sized carriers equally easily. If physics worked that way, then we'd have flying suits based on flies or sparrows that could be powered purely by human muscles.

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  13. What's wrong with you people?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flying cars are cool! These are early days, and whining about no vertical takeoff, poor range, or whatever else you find horribly wrong with it is silly.
    If you just hate the idea of flying cars, then please turn in your geek card. Your hatred of all things with an internal combustion engine, means you're some kind of activist for some some cause or other - cool technology has long since stopped being what you're really interested in.

    1. Re:What's wrong with you people?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flying cars are cool. But THAT thing is not what we mean when we say "flying car". That's just a plane that you drive out of the city to a local airport and then take off.
      When we say flying car, we mean a car you get into, press a button, up it goes and flies away. Not one that needs a runway to take off and land.

    2. Re:What's wrong with you people?!? by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      It isn't early days for this anymore. There were similar things built in the 50s. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/...
      Lots of companies have gotten to the prototype phase of a roadable aircraft. None of them worked liked the cars seen in the Jetsons.

  14. Pipe Dreams by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bet you'll not see this in the US any time soon. I wonder what its crash test ratings would look like.

    It could be licensed like an experimental aircraft.

    But... "I'll believe it when I see it."

    Folks, we have heard this before, and "flying cars" have been around since the 50's. It's not practical in any sense of the word. Blade Runner is a fantasy that will not be realized for many, many years. It this point in time, "flying cars" solve no problems and create man oth

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    1. Re:Pipe Dreams by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Experimental aircraft don't get to ride on the roadways.

      I think that is one of the biggest problems. In order to be street legal, it would be almost too heavy to take off.

    2. Re:Pipe Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be licensed like an experimental aircraft.

      It can't be licensed as an experimental unless they sell a kit and the buyer assembles 51% of it.

    3. Re: Pipe Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, you would have to have a pilots certification to operate it, and I doubt most US citizens are willing to invest the time or roughly $10000 dollars it costs to obtain said certification.

    4. Re:Pipe Dreams by jc42 · · Score: 2

      Folks, we have heard this before, and "flying cars" have been around since the 50's. It's not practical in any sense of the word.

      Actually, out in the wide-open rural spaces of the western US and Canada, "flying cars" are rather common and quite practical. Of course, they're usually called small planes, typically 2- or 4-seaters with some cargo space. And you'd usually want a ground car, too, since aircraft can be somewhat impractical on days of high winds, thunderstorms, etc. It's common for small-town shopping strips in that area to have a runway that's parallel to the main street, with stores in between, for the benefit of people using their small planes.

      The reason so many people are complaining that most people live in urban areas nowadays, and having all your neighbors getting into the air during morning or evening rush hours is clearly impractical in the extreme.

      I wonder where else in the world this is common. I've read similar comments from Australia, but I don't recall any info about other parts of the world. I'd think that such small planes could be practical in many other rural farming areas.

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    5. Re:Pipe Dreams by Motard · · Score: 1

      If this thing can drive on roads in Slovakia, that's plenty good enough for me at this point. After all, even if I had the money, pilot skills and desire for such a thing, I certainly wouldn't be the market for the first version.

      I'd just like to see someone, somewhere give it a go. And on the surface, the claimed specs of this thing would be adequate to be potentially useful - presuming it's not all bullshit.

      That's what I want to know at this point. Do the range and speed numbers even pass a cursory BS test?

    6. Re:Pipe Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, out in the wide-open rural spaces of the western US and Canada, "flying cars" are rather common and quite practical.

      Yeah, um, bullshit.

    7. Re:Pipe Dreams by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      We will see transit services in rural areas before we see flying cars.

  15. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want this in my sky or on my roads.
    Last thing I want is a bunch of drunk idiots flying around and crashing into a house.

    1. Re:Nope by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, the only flying cars will hit mainstream is if they are exclusively computer-driven. Average people can't be trusted to fly.

  16. In other words... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    "A Production-Ready Flying Car Is Coming This Month"

    No, no it will not.

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    1. Re:In other words... by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      That it is "production-ready" doesn't necessarily mean it's being produced.

    2. Re:In other words... by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      If it's not produced, then technically it isn't "coming".

    3. Re:In other words... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      That it is "production-ready" doesn't necessarily mean it's being produced.

      Based on your definition, even a "concept car" is "production ready", if that's what you want to produce.

      But in a realistic sense "production ready" means you have all the design features set and are ready to build production dies and molds, have the production wireing peg-board and jigs designed, and have suppliers lined up, and a factory space ready to accept the machines required to build this thing.

      Not the case here.

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    4. Re:In other words... by drkim · · Score: 2

      If it's not produced, then technically it isn't "coming".

      OK. It's not "coming" ...but it's breathing really fast.

    5. Re:In other words... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      It's not so much my definition - it's more my interpretation of marketing-speak.

  17. It's 2014!! by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Where's my FLYING CA.... oh, ok then.

    Still waiting for that jetpack, though.

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    1. Re: It's 2014!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... And I'm still waiting on my handheld laser gun that I can point and fire at preteen girls that will make them want to have sex with me.

    2. Re: It's 2014!! by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yeah... And I'm still waiting on my handheld laser gun that I can point and fire at preteen girls that will make them want to have sex with me.

      I don't think that's a thing.

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    3. Re: It's 2014!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course that is: Necrophilia. It just kills them, so they can't refuse.

  18. No. Just no. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Production-Ready Flying Car Is Coming This Month

    No.

    Slovakia's Aeromobil has planning to unveil its "Flying Roadster" at the Pioneers Festival in Vianna, Austria on October 29.

    They will unvailed a prototype .

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    1. Re:No. Just no. by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      A solution in need of a problem. We have airplanes, we have cars, and we have the information superhighway.

      We don't need flying cars, we just need a different kind of software.

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    2. Re:No. Just no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm starting to think that people on this site are mixing up vain/vein/vane and vail/veil/vale on purpose just to annoy me personally. For years I notice nothing, and then suddenly it's everywhere! Read a book once and while, people.

    3. Re:No. Just no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Read a book once and while, people.

      Ultimate irony.

  19. Very Cool by dontbemad · · Score: 1

    Despite the prevalent cynicism in the comments, I am simply floored by how cool this thing is. Sure, it may not be a perfect airplane or a perfect car (or a perfect flying car, for that matter), but this is an awesome proof-of-concept. Watching a vehicle travel down the road, pull over to unfurl its wings, and then accelerate down a straight, open lane only to lift off the ground... well, I just think that's downright neat.

    1. Re:Very Cool by Teresita · · Score: 1

      So it's a plane that looks like a car. Some kids take the chassis of a radio-controlled car an build a humaniform body for it, and then everyone goes, ooh, ahh, a robot! No, it's not a robot, it's a radio-controlled car that looks like a robot.

    2. Re:Very Cool by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Then watching it be intercepted by a fighter jet and escorted to safety will be all the more neat.

  20. "Roadable aircraft" by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

    This isn't a "flying car", it's a "roadable airplane", just like the Terrefugia Transition: http://www.terrafugia.com/airc...

    It is licensed as an airplane, with many, MANY exceptions when licensed as a ground vehicle. The idea is that you drive it a short distance to an airport, then take off and fly as an airplane. Then drive a short distance to somewhere at the other end. It's not meant to be driven even as much as a high-end sports car on the ground. It's mean as "get to airport, fly, get to destination."

    As for "production-ready", Terrefugia claims theirs is "production-ready," too...

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    1. Re:"Roadable aircraft" by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Friend did about the same with a Cessna put a couple ultra portable mopeds in the cargo, drove there few and drove the last bit. Not like you need much more when you can get within 10-15 miles of where you going in the northeast and have a small airport.

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    2. Re:"Roadable aircraft" by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      Yup, for a while, it has been my retirement dream to buy a couple "touring motorcycles", and a 6-place, twin-engine airplane modded with a cargo door/ramp (Cessna 421 Golden Eagle or the like,) and tour the world.

      It would be great if the Terrefugia TF-X is ready by the time I'm ready to retire. (And, of course, to have the money for either option...)

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  21. Deja vu... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Googling on 'site:slashdot.org "flying car"' turns up numerous references to flying cars, ALL in very advanced stages of development and ready for production, flying your way soon.

    Terrafugia... "Flying Car Passes First Flight Test..."

    PAL-V One, "Finally, a flying car for the masses" made its first maiden flight...

    M400 flying car "more economical than SUV"...

    "the SkyCar, an invention by Moller International" was to be "Ready by end of year." And that year was 1999.

    1. Re:Deja vu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that sense, its kind of like global warming and Bigfoot: they'll get here next year, you can guarantee on that, really really mean it this time, on and on. If you don't allow them to at least take off and land on the roads they'll be not much more useful than regular airplanes now.

  22. I think it's a power and propulsion issue by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Helicopter-like flight is the right idea, but I think it's a power and propulsion problem. Helicopters are hideously mechanical and have maintenance schedules that would scare even a Ferrari owner.

    I think you do need helicopter-like flight -- vertical takeoff and landing, forward and backward flight, side-side flight, etc. No flying car concept would seem to work without these. If you could get this in some kind of package that would work on a car the size of a full-size sedan, you'd only need the advanced aviononics that let you program in a desintation it will fly you to, avoiding all hazards.

    Maybe they could have some kind of guided manual mode where you could fly it wherever you wanted but a set of safety and guidance systems kept it from crashing into objects or other cars (probably with active coordination with other cars) as well as obeying specific flight rules (height, speed, etc). Something like the go carts at an amusement park where you can "drive" within a set of constraints but without the restriction of a fixed course.

    But the guidance and safety seem trivial next to the propulsion system that gives you six degrees of freedom in the size of a sedan.

    1. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Helicopters are hideously mechanical and have maintenance schedules that would scare even a Ferrari owner.

      That's why quadcopters win. Sure, you're dependent on four engines, but each engine can be hilariously simple. What with the accelerated maintenance schedules it might be a good place to actually use those 1.3 liter rotary engines.

      However, cars have the advantage that you don't need to spend any energy to keep them from crashing into the ground, only effort in keeping them from crashing into other stuff. And planes have the advantage of more efficiency. VTOL takes a lot of energy, and you need to haul around a lot of mass to enable it. So there's reasons not to use a 'copter.

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    2. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Do they fly (well) with only three engines?

    3. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      An autogyro (that's a helicopter where the rotor is not powered, instead using a prop or jet or so for forward propulsion) would get really close. Especially if you add an engine to spin up the rotors for extra lift at take-off, and even (near) vertical landing is feasible. Forward speeds of such vehicles are low for an aircraft, so a more regular car body shape could be aerodynamic enough.

    4. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Do they fly (well) with only three engines?

      You should be able to at least slow your descent substantially on any two opposing engines. (*research*) yes, a quadcopter with the proper software can fly on three engines, surprisingly well. Also, google is my friend. It can be yours.

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    5. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could have some kind of guided manual mode where you could fly it wherever you wanted but a set of safety and guidance systems kept it from crashing into objects or other cars

      You're on the right track. This is the second or third time I've said this in the thread, and I've said it numerous times elsewhere, but it's worth emphasizing again.

      Flying a car using AI to drive would be great, but how much more enjoyable would it to drive by yourself? A solution to the safety problem is to have a repelling motion inversely squared proportional (or cubed maybe?) to the distance between your car and another object (whether it be a building, or another flying car.), and also inversely squared proportional to the relative speed of the objects (so if you're going slow, you can be quite close to another flying car, and if you're going fast, then the repelling motion would be much greater, and if you're both going fast in the same direction, you can be quite close again, because the relative speed is almost zero).

      This would allow for safe, and immensely fun, freestyle flying - we'd just need decent maneuverability from the flying car.

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    6. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by swb · · Score: 1

      I think the key to decent maneuverability would be a propulsion system capable of providing great amounts of directional thrust, like having pairs of turbofans that could be rotated in any direction.

      The problem of course with this idea is the fuel and mechanical complexity involved in something like that.

    7. Re:I think it's a power and propulsion issue by Tom · · Score: 1

      Frankly speaking, the whole thing is total bogus.

      If you fly your car from airport to airport anyways, why not use the car transport train concept? Drive your car into a transport plane together with 20 other cars, fly to your destination, drive off. And yes, the chances of a terrorist attack (50 dead on average, few terrorists would bother) are much lower than the chances of crashing on the highway while driving the old way.

      But no, we have our "personal transport". All for the glory of having total freedom - of standing in a traffic jam. But hey, at least you sit in your own car instead of a bus or train...

      Meanwhile, in the real world, the trend is rapidly moving away from personal transport vehicles. Short-term rental cars that you pick up in the street next door are already replacing cars for people living in the center of cities. Now if the regular rental companies would stop being total fucktards, I would use them a lot more often, too.

      As someone living in the city, I barely see the need for a personal car anymore, why would I want a personal plane?
      Put the money into improving car rentals and air traffic. When you fly in a private jet, you arrive at the airport 10 minutes before take-off, drink a coffee and walk straight into your plane. If you are unlucky, the metal detector is in use that day and it adds 30 seconds to your boarding time.

      Comfortable, convenient air traffic is absolutely possible. Airlines simply haven't figured out how to manage it, mostly because we as customers are fucked up in the mind and accept all the torture. Someone who figures out how to satisfy all the regulations while providing an experience more like private jet travel, at a price not too much above regular air fare would instantly destroy the airline business world.

      Flying car, on the other hand, was a revolutionary idea in the 50s. Today, it's worth a yawn.

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  23. Flying Car for Sale by Jonathan+A · · Score: 2
  24. Pedants... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

    I'm starting to think that people on this site are mixing up vain/vein/vane and vail/veil/vale on purpose just to annoy me personally. For years I notice nothing, and then suddenly it's everywhere! Read a book once and while, people.

    I regularly interchange It's and Its, There, Their, and They're, Were and We're, as well as my favorite, "I could care less" just to give the pedants heart palpitations. and for extra points, i often forget my keyboard has a shif key.

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  25. Re:Still decades away from Hollywood "flying cars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it is currently legal to takeoff and land helicopters in fields and/or parking lots (with the property owners permission of course).

    So really all thats needed on top of this prototype is VTOL capability.

  26. Too Funny! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see the typical American soccer mom, with her fag in one hand, cell phone in the other trying to fly! They can't even drive within two lines let alone know going up and down!

  27. Why by koan · · Score: 1

    Last week my father was almost killed walking through the parking lot to his car, just seconds prior to that a young woman was almost hit by the same driver.
    That driver was looking at their phone while driving through the parking lot.

    Why would anyone think a flying car is a good idea?

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    1. Re:Why by luther349 · · Score: 1

      lol flying cars need i would think at least a sport pilot liance.

    2. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last week my father was almost killed walking through the parking lot to his car, just seconds prior to that a young woman was almost hit by the same driver.
      That driver was looking at their phone while driving through the parking lot.

      Why would anyone think a flying car is a good idea?

      Good. Honestly, good. I'm sick to death of pedestrians walking across the parking lot not looking, walking diagonally and slowly (maximizing their time in harm's way), and rarely in the designated crosswalks with painfully pointless stop signs. I see families do it too dragging children into the path of moving cars without looking.

      This isn't a walking versus driving thing. All these dumbfucks arrive and leave in a car and face the same quagmire of blind, aimless pedestrians.

      Tell Daddy to pay attention.

    3. Re:Why by koan · · Score: 1

      Engrish plz...

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    4. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was a flying car trying to land in the parking lot? He could have at least gone out to the main road!

  28. You cheater, you. by DiegoMartinez · · Score: 2

    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

  29. so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're saying that an American socccer mom can drive ok as long as she keeps her hands off of her phone and any gay male passengers?

  30. baaaah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unless im allowed to recklessly lumber through the air with complete disregard for lane dicipline i want no part.

  31. Right. Yet another, "There ought to be a law..." by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2

    Lots of things are against the law and yet people still murder, rape, kidnap, steal, etc., etc. What makes you think some idiot will follow a law that says they can't fly their flying car if it has a bit of a bend? I followed some jerk whose brake lights didn't work last week. I'm sure that's illegal, too.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    Ben
  32. Re:Still decades away from Hollywood "flying cars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are going to have to redesign cities!

  33. What about the Terrafugia Transition? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Like this vehicle, it folds the wings away for driving on the road. But unlike this vehicle (at least from what I can see), they have both a weight exemption from the FAA so it can be classified as a "light sport" aircraft and flown on a "sport pilot license" (which is much easier to get than a full regular pilot license) AND an exemption from the NHTSA to use lightweight motorcycle tires and a lightweight polycarbonate windscreen to keep weight down instead of the heavier automobile tires and safety glass windscreen normally required on cars.

    It may not be shipping to customers yet but they have shown actual production-intent models as part of their flight testing and drive testing.

  34. Agreed. As long as humans control them.. by Hackysack · · Score: 2

    As long as humans control the flying cars, they will never become a reality; and thankfully so. Most people who have licences to drive shouldn't have them, but at least when they prove their incompetence in piloting their car the damage is somewhat limited (compared to a Cesna falling out of the sky). I'm all for flying hovercraft cars, but only as long as ONLY ME gets one. The rest of the idiots I meet on my bike ride home shouldn't be allowed to drive in two dimensions, much less three.

    More seriously, the only way we should (will) allow flying anything is when proven computers control the piloting. We're still 10 to 20+ years away from accepting computers controlling our cars (it's a matter of personal freedom!) so add on a few more years to extend it to the 3rd dimension.

    And seriously, stop driving like a f*cking tool. Failure to signal should be a capital offence, it goes up from there.

  35. Call it a "Driving Plane" not a "Flying Car" by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Somehow it sounds cool to have a flying car, but kinda stupid to have a driving plane. This was an observation made by Tyler Cowen on his blog. It's a good point. It reminds me of a survey of priests that emphatically showed priests are ok with praying while smoking, but not with smoking while praying.

    1. Re:Call it a "Driving Plane" not a "Flying Car" by Kariles70 · · Score: 1

      Again, it will not serve much purpose until people are allowed to take off and land on roads. It is not just possible it is feasible for competent pilots. I have seen crop-dusters do it successfully since this old man was a little kid. Notice I said competent pilots, not someone with a DUI record as long as your arm. There would only be certain roads that could be used. They would have to be straight and flat and unoccupied. Many roads would fit that bill and many sections of interstate would be perfect.

    2. Re:Call it a "Driving Plane" not a "Flying Car" by AC-x · · Score: 1

      There's already a word for them, "Roadable Aircraft"

  36. Just rolled into the shop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and this,

    http://www.reddit.com/r/justrolledintotheshop

    is why I don't think flying cars are going to happen.

    Of if they do, FSM help us.

  37. So what? by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    Someone proposes a flying car every now and then. As they are all only interpretation of past concepts, which did not work or were impractical. There was recently an article on why there will never be an practical realization. I hoped that will be the end of it. But obviously /. still did not get the message and now another lame story on the topic appeared.

  38. Pipe Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If 'Blade Runner' is the fantasy of choice I'd prefer we never get there, thanks.

  39. "Our dreams" are for an all white country - again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not for stupid flying cars.

    Most white people want to live in an all white country - AGAIN. Like our grandparents used to.

    Strangely enough, the insane cretins of Slashdot don't want to discuss it. It's 'verboten'. Nobody is allowed to even TALK about the ongoing genocide against white people, after all, the TV told you not to!

    Aren't you ashamed that you are so stupid and brainwashed that you actually worship a television, and its Jewish programme makers? You can't even question the most basic thing: why are millions of non-whites flooding into white countries every year? Presumably because THEY believe white people make better countries than the third world shitholes they come from. Therefore they are 'white supremacists'.

    Your own country is being destroyed from within by cretins like you, and you are going along with it!

  40. Vaporware by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

    Much like Duke Nukem Forever, I'll believe it when I can buy it.

    I noticed they don't have a pricetag anywhere. I suspect this toy will be one of those toys that most normal people can't afford.

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    1. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you go:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Duke-...

      Now... I want my flying car ;-)

    2. Re:Vaporware by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      You can get one, but it will be delayed by years. :)

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  41. Application by arnero · · Score: 1

    Flying cars are great if you drive 200 km/h on the autobahn and suddenly someone cuts you off or behind a corner everything is red. Radar detects obstacle, map knows that there is no bridge or high voltage line => jump. Typically in these cars there is only one person with lightweight cargo. One needs props, lifting body, but no wings. On the car shown in the link I cannot see many compromises. Pusher prop may be not that ideal, but not that bad either. Folding wings are standard on carriers. Aerodynamics and a good suspension are good for road and air.

  42. Roadable aircraft aren't "flying cars" by AC-x · · Score: 2

    I wish they'd stop calling roadable aircraft "flying cars".

    Flying car: Something that allows you to take off from your home and fly directly to your destination.
    Roadable aircraft: An aircraft that you can drive to and from local airports.

    It's good for people who already fly light aircraft (no more worrying about transport once you fly to your destination), useless for the rest of us.

    1. Re:Roadable aircraft aren't "flying cars" by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      It also entails all of the safety issues of an airplane; the platonic ideal of a "flying car" is as safe and intuitive as a road car.

  43. Everyone must read this by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    Never forget why we don't have flying cars already. After all, strapping wings to a car is not particularly difficult. Doing so and not dying in the process is another matter.

    http://world.std.com/~jlr/doom/blake.htm

  44. What's an Aerobmoil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see they fixed the "Vianna" typo, but Aerobmoil still is laughable...kind of crappy copy editing, guys!

  45. Re:Right. Yet another, "There ought to be a law... by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    I followed some jerk whose brake lights didn't work last week.

    You would become that jerk if your lights failed mid-way through a drive, or you didn't check them every single journey.

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  46. Fail by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    It is a lovely design, from an aesthetic point of view, and as automobile, it's no worse than some conventional cars in many respects (probably not crash worthy at all, but that's a given in flying cars). As an aircraft, however, it's a recipe for disaster. It appears to be extremely short coupled, making it more than a little twitchy in pitch and yaw, as is obvious in the video. In an aerobatic aircraft, again, that's not a bad thing, but in something aimed at this (supposed) market, it's a killer.

  47. some how dissapointing by funkymonkjay · · Score: 1

    I was seriously into flying during high school and college. Enough to get a private pilot license and study aerospace engineering. I imagine if I saw this news back then it would have blown my mind.
    Over 20 years later, it seems... blase(accent!). Maybe it's the thought of all the regulations and restrictions it'll be mired in for the next decade. Maybe it's the awkward design. Maybe it's the unimpressive range. Maybe cause it'll be insanely expensive. Maybe it's because of high fuel cost and environmental issues, joy flying seems irresponsible.
    I think a smaller design would pique my interest. Imagine a ride, small as a motorcycle or scooter. It would mean cheaper and fuel efficient. Which would also grant it a more relaxed ultralight rating.

  48. Re:Agreed. As long as humans control them.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And seriously, stop driving like a f*cking tool. Failure to signal should be a capital offence, it goes up from there.

    I rarely see people on bikes signal turns or stops, even though legally they're required to. And I also frequently see them steer onto the sidewalk to bypass cars stopped at a light, and use the pedestrian crossings illegally.

  49. It's been done before... by whizbang77045 · · Score: 1

    Flying cars have surfaced many times since at least the 1950s, and several have made it to production. The problem is, everybody thinks its a good idea, but almost no one will actually buy one. Molt Taylor's "aerocar" is a prime example.

  50. no way.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    that's not flying car.... that's just an airplane with retractable wings...

    A real flying car wouldn't need an airplane strip..

  51. Aftermarket Parts by MagickalMyst · · Score: 0

    Perhaps (in time) a flux capacitor after market add-on could be installed to prevent drivers from exceeding 88 mph.

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  52. Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    customers

    Seems unlikely

  53. hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your flying car just crashed into a government drone. hope you have insurance

  54. Student Pilot Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I haven't been flying very long, about 40 hours, but let me tell you: it's not trivial. And it's not just the grind of training your muscles to maneuver the plane correctly. The three biggest issues with learning to aviation are weather, weather, and weather.

    You are flying around in this turbulent mass of air that's always trying to kill you if you don't respond the correct way. Learning how to do this safely requires YEARS of study and practice. Don't even bother thinking about learning to fly unless you're prepared to also learn everything you can about the weather. And of the those pilots that receive their private certificate, only a fraction go on to learn how to fly by instruments in conditions of reduced visibility or in the clouds.

    In addition to the weather, learning the airspace rules can be daunting and requires study and practice. If these vehicles ever make it to the under $40K price point, the FAA isn't just going to let people buy one and fly the next day due to the many many safety issues connected with amateur pilots flying around in controlled airpspace.

    These flying cars or road-test planes, whatever you want to say, don't really improve on any of these issues. There are and will certainly be technical solutions for these, but it will be a LONG time before they become fool proof enough to replace years of dedicated study and training.

  55. Easy-to-get license or it's a non-starter by davidwr · · Score: 1

    If your typical non-flying-car-driver can't upgrade to a "flying car" license without a bunch of hassle and cost, this will be a niche market at best and likely an economic failure.

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  56. Re:Right. Yet another, "There ought to be a law... by adolf · · Score: 1

    I'm not the person you're replying to, but: My (almost 20-year-old) car tells me when I have a brake light bulb out, and/or a failure in the brake light wiring and/or the mechanical switch that activates said lights.

    When it tells me that something is wrong with the brake lights, I stop where it is safe to do so and fix the problem. I do this because I recognize the importance of showing the people behind me that I am, in fact, slowing down. (I also tend to have spare bulbs and a proper toolkit.)

    I'm not suggesting that everyone would be so anal about their brake lights, but they should at least be informed.

    With modern automobiles, where a network of microcontrollers is cheaper than a maze copper wires and multi-purpose LCD displays are standard fare, much of this functionality could probably be implemented in software alone.

    And it should be. So people are at least informed that they're being jerks.

  57. fear factor by Tom · · Score: 1

    Look at the takeoff video. It looks tiny compared to a fucking Chessna, and it looks a lot more fragile. Flying that thing is for the very daring. From what I see in the video, how it's moving shortly before taking off, even a moderate crosswind will make it the most dangerous flight experience you've had in your career.

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  58. Roadies are safer by averageanomaly · · Score: 1

    Where would you find the space to take off or land? Does this require a flying license? Do people really think this 90's dream is still going to happen? Driver-less cars seem to be a more viable (and sensible) option than this. Having a roadie sounds safer than a couple of idiots in the sky. But statistically speaking, flying cars have a pretty solid track record in terms of accident rates. Maybe we should keep it that way

  59. Driveable Airplane, Needs Airport by billstewart · · Score: 1

    It's not so much a flying car as an airplane that you can also drive. It's useful if you're a private pilot and want to be able to fly to a small airport and drive your plane from there instead of renting one. But it's still airplane physics, not cartoon physics, so you still need to take off from an airport instead of from your driveway like the Jetsons Flying Car my generation always wanted.

    Any bets on when the first one gets to Burning Man?

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  60. PAL-V by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PAL-V anyone? This definitely isn't the first "car" to "fly"...

  61. This wont work by teknosapien · · Score: 1

    We have a hard time driving in two dimensions and now we're adding a third?
    This can't end well

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