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Microsoft, Facebook Declare European Kids Clueless About Coding, Too

theodp writes: Having declared U.S. kids clueless about coding, Facebook and Microsoft are now turning their attention to Europe's young 'uns. "As stewards of Europe's future generations," begins the Open Letter to the European Union Ministers for Education signed by Facebook and Microsoft, "you will be all too aware that as early as the age of 7, children reach a critical juncture, when they are learning the core life skills of reading, writing and basic maths. However, to flourish in tomorrow's digital economy and society, they should also be learning to code. And many, sadly, are not." Released at the launch of the European Coding Initiative — aka All You Need is Code! (video) — in conjunction with the EU's Code Week, the letter closes, "As experts in our field, we owe it to Europe's youth to help equip them with the skills they will need to succeed — regardless of where life takes them."

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  1. Apparently by Rinikusu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only competent coders in the world are the ones who will work for $8/hour.

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    1. Re:Apparently by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, why not teach them plumbing, cost me a hundred bucks to have a tap fixed the last day. If everyone was a plumber I'm sure I could have gotten it done for ten.

      This is nothing less than for-profit corporations attempting to interfere with the education system for their own financial gain.

    2. Re:Apparently by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And just like you can't simply pump more people into med school to end up with more doctors, you cannot pump more people into computer schools to get more programmers. Programming isn't middle management, you can't simply take any simpleton and expect them to be able to learn how to do it.

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  2. Is anyone buying this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Translation: We need to flood the job market so we can hire cheaper workers. Is anyone actually buying this?

    1. Re:Is anyone buying this? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. Politicians.

  3. early age influences by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe we should explain how social structure works, and how human desires come into play when mixed with it - rather than teach them how to operate machines.

    ...oh yeah, the adults have to learn that first...

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  4. Is the oposite true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a former European kid, can I declare Microsoft clueless about coding too?

  5. Consumer based economy. by krotscheck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't exactly nurture a consumer based economy to support your profits, then complain that it's not producing enough builders.

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    1. Re:Consumer based economy. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but paying your employees anything beyond poverty wages is SOCIALISM!!!!!

      Or, you know, it's simply smart business as Henry Ford found out. He made his money back and then some by paying his workers wages higher than he had any necessity to do.

  6. Total bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear Europe and America ...

    From the Christian Alliance for World Dominance: Your young ones need to learn our stuff.

    From the Muslim Alliance for World Dominance: Your young ones need to learn our stuff.

    From the Fossil Fuel Alliance for World Dominance: Your young ones need to learn our stuff.

    From the Science Alliance for World Dominance: Your young ones need to learn our stuff.

    From the Welding Alliance for World Dominance: Your young ones need to learn our stuff. ...

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  7. Fundamentals by clifwlkr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever happened to teaching the kids the fundamentals of math and logic, never mind reading comprehension? Guess what? All of that is far more important to learning to code than the actual code itself. I find it ironic to imply that the kids are lost if they don't start to learn actual code that young. When I started programming, computers weren't even really available to anyone. I had good knowledge of math and logic, and was able to figure it out on my own over 35 years ago, and keep up with 'all of the latest trends' and have quite a successful career.
    What I learned that help me do this, was how to learn. Start teaching that, and you will find they are prepared for whatever comes down the line in the future. Stop making automatons.....
    Jim

    1. Re:Fundamentals by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If people grew up literate, numerate, and capable of logic then our existing society would have no hope of survival. There'd be riots in the streets, and legions of politicians and corporate executives impaled on rebar as if Vlad Tepes had risen from Hell to claim revenge upon the world.

  8. Re:Read: IT wages in Europe rising by Layzej · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think the MIT Lifelong Kindergarten Group is doing more to address this issue than MS or FB: http://scratch.mit.edu/

    With Scratch, you can program your own interactive stories, games, and animations — and share your creations with others in the online community.

    Scratch helps young people learn to think creatively, reason systematically, and work collaboratively — essential skills for life in the 21st century.

    Scratch is a project of the Lifelong Kindergarten Group at the MIT Media Lab. It is provided free of charge.

    If you have kids, you should introduce them to scratch!