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OS X 10.10 Yosemite Review

An anonymous reader writes: With the release of OS X 10.10 Yosemite, Ars Technica has posted one of their extremely thorough reviews of the OS's new features and design changes. John Siracusa writes that Yosemite is particularly notable because it's the biggest step yet in Apple's efforts to bring OS X and iOS together — new technologies are now being added to Apple's two operating systems simultaneously. "The political and technical battles inherent in the former two-track development strategy for OS X and iOS left both products with uncomfortable feature disparities. Apple now correctly views this as damage and has set forth to repair it." Yosemite's look and feel has undergone significant changes as well, generally moving toward the flat and compact design present in iOS 7 & 8. Spotlight and the Notifications Center have gotten some needed improvements, as did many tab and toolbar interfaces.

Siracusa also takes a look a Swift, Apple's new programming language: "Swift is an attempt to create a low-level language with high-level syntax and semantics. It tackles the myth of the Sufficiently Smart Compiler by signing up to create that compiler as part of the language design process." He concludes: "Viewed in isolation, Yosemite provides a graphical refresh accompanied by a few interesting features and several new technologies whose benefits are mostly speculative, depending heavily on how eagerly they're adopted by third-party developers. But Apple no longer views the Mac in isolation, and neither should you. OS X is finally a full-fledged peer to iOS; all aspects of sibling rivalry have been banished."

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  1. Wait, what? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the summary:

    OS X is finally a full-fledged peer to iOS; all aspects of sibling rivalry have been banished."

    Excuse me, but the only way for OS X to become a "peer" to iOS would be for iOS to become a whole lot better (e.g. to gain better multitasking and multiuser support, the ability to freely install software without a walled garden, a command line, etc.) or for OS X to become a whole lot worse!

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by Kenshin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been using Yosemite for a couple of months.

      It's not turning into iOS. It's just working alongside iOS better. On the surface, de-glossification aside, it's more or less the same as Mavericks.

      But of course, let's whip ourselves into a frenzy without even trying it out. This is Slashdot, of course.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From what I can see of Yosemite, Apple is doing the same thing with Mac OS X.

      Can you be more specific as to what you're referring to? The biggest difference in the UI is that they reskinned things and change the icons and whatnot. You might not like the changes, but it's hardly the same thing as Windows 8's problems. The only things I can think of that make it more like their mobile OS-- at least this is all I can think of off the top of my head:

      1) They added "Launchpad", which was done a couple of versions ago and is completely optional. Remove it from the dock and you never have to see it again.
      2) They expanded the functionality of the notification area, and I don't really see there being a lot of grounds for complaints
      3) They have a controlled "App Store", which again, was added a few versions ago and is optional.
      4) They added an application for Maps...? I guess this makes it more like a mobile device. Again, optional.
      5) Their chat/messaging application has increased support for SMS messages, which is additional functionality, and at least sort of optional.

      I'm not seeing the problem.

    3. Re:Wait, what? by bailey34 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure that's correct. I think the apps you distribute via OS X Server to mobile devices have to be signed with a enterprise dev certificate, which will cost you $299/year

    4. Re:Wait, what? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you look at Apple's profit statements, the iOS App Store is break-even for them and they're not pushing profitability in that area.

      So I really don't think that's why they don't let users break down the walled garden. I think it's because the nature of modern computing, breaking down the walled garden also means breaking down things about iOS that make it so nice. Thread safety, sandboxing, etc kind of break when you've got free reign to run whatever you want on the phone.

      Also, who would really want a command line on their *phone*? Are you upset that iOS doesn't support CP/M apps too?

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    5. Re:Wait, what? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Informative

      including things like their version of Androids Intents (that they call "extensions")....notifications pane from iOS (stolen from Android, natch)...

      Right, so you're upset that Apple is using plugins, extensions, and notifications because all of those things were invented by Android developers. Sure.

      They're making it possible to make and receive phone calls on the desktop.

      So they've added functionality. I don't' think anyone is complaining about Windows 8 for added functionality.

      They're changing a bunch of apps to more closely mimic the cellphone UI. According to the review itself, this is resulting in UIs with excessive whitespace...

      You might need to point that out in the review. I don't doubt what you're saying, I just need context, and skimming the review for a second, I didn't see anything specific about that.

      Having used Yosemite for a while, I don't see there being a lot of extra unused space due to "mimicking the cellphone UI". It actually seems like, in a lot of cases (e.g. Safari), they've cut down on "wasted space" in a way that may have been inspired by the cellphone UI, but not in a way that sacrifices functionality. I definitely haven't had the experience of noticing that things are spaced out strangely as though it were optimizing OSX for touch interaction.

      Mostly it seems like they just re-skinned it. The textures and colors are different, with almost the same spacing.

    6. Re:Wait, what? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're wrong.

      Apple did not strip the major sematics of the UI that their users have enjoyed for 14 years for something that makes absolutely no sense on the hardware you've loaded it on, in the name of "one common [shitty] experience."

      Apple has not completely hidden settings and configuration options - they are all still where you expect them to be. In fact, they moved some that were completely in your face for no reason into System Preferences where they should have been 10 years ago (I'm looking at you, Dock Settings).

      Apple still gives you a fully functional terminal with real shell options and built-in standard scripting languages. Perl, Ruby, Python, and Bash are all there ready to go. You can even paste into the terminal without touching the mouse!

      This is nothing like Windows 8. This is actually better than what came before.

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    7. Re:Wait, what? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The usual user case for this scenario is a company making specialized applications for the iPhone. In which case, the roughly thousand dollars required to gain this functionality is just a sneeze, not even a sniffle. Just because it doesn't fit your particular fantasy (and it doesn't appear you'd be interested in iOS at any price) doesn't mean it's not priced correctly.

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    8. Re:Wait, what? by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

      once you install a Start Menu replacement (e.g. ClassicShell)

      In other words it's only different if you change the new UI for the old one.

      It looks like Apple is doing the same thing

      Not even slightly. There's no new UI that is like iOS, nor any "classic" UI to go back to.

      Apple is flattening the graphical elements of the OS

      Yes they are doing that. But that isn't enough to make OSX look anything like iOS.

    9. Re:Wait, what? by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The App Store icon in the Dock displays a numbered badge when there are any updates - OS or App Store apps. When there as OS updates, you get a popup-notification.

      These are both far superior then having to remember to check Software Updates from time to time, as in days of yore. (And it's several versions ago that that was the primary update point.)

      Removing obsolete menu items is a good thing.

    10. Re:Wait, what? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      The necessary foundation to make scripting work would break process and application isolation.

      Making portable OSes more and more like desktop OSes would make them worse, not better.

      I've yet looked at my phone and went, "Gee, I wish I could just do this with curl instead of safari."

      The only thing that would make iOS even better would be some way to add media from inside apps. Apps can already write to the available movies. Just wish they could add podcasts and music.

      (Which is odd because movies are DRMed on the iTunes store, and music is not; but audio is the one place they won't let you fiddle with)

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    11. Re:Wait, what? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes.

      But once upon a time Apple used to ship a specific server OS called, predictably, OSX Server.

      Nowadays they don't create two seperate OS packages, they use only one, but they additionally sell a bunch of admin tools which you can install on top of the ordinary OSX. This package is called OSX Server and sells for $20.

    12. Re:Wait, what? by MikeMo · · Score: 2

      It's free for anyone running 10.6.8 or better. You might have to go through a few upgrades to get there (I haven't looked) but all the OS's between here and there have been free.

    13. Re:Wait, what? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want to program on an iPad download/install one of the many programming environments and stop bitching.

      The iPad is not marketed as a 'computer' every one knows that. The fact that it is not easy to. 'compute' directly on it is well known.

      Take it or leave it.

      To install your 'own' software you only need a 'normal' developer account, to sign the software. An Enterprise account is not needed, AFAIK the distinction between OS X Server and OS X does no longer exist since 10.7.

      And I don't get your bitching anyway. If you want a nice device to hack on buy a Nook or even more a Kobo, the later one even runs a more or less standard _linux_

      However you can not connect your bluetooth keyboard to a Kobo/Nook.

      So: get an android device and be done with it. The i
      ad I have right now is my last one as well, the fact that it does not mount as an USB drive on my Mac basically gave it the cupe de grace over the years ... being forced to use iTunes simple pisses me off.

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    14. Re:Wait, what? by berj · · Score: 2

      The purpose of a computer -- as opposed to some other tool -- is that it has the flexibility (by being programmed) to do many different things, including things conceived of by nobody but the user. A computer that can't be programmed is fundamentally not fit for purpose. Apple is selling devices that they have intentionally broken.

      So that's the *purpose* of every single computer you own? Bully for you. That is not the purpose of every single computer *I* own. And I guarantee you it's not the purpose of every single computer most people own. What's more your statement is false on its face. iPads, etc *can* be programmed -- by anyone with the skill and tools to do so. You just need specific hardware and software and services in order to do so. Just because you're not willing to tool up for the task doesn't make it Apple's problem. It's your problem and nobody else's. I'm sure there are many tasks I can't make my iPad do even with all the effort and knowledge in the world.. but hey.. I can't make my car fly like and aeroplane either. That's life.

    15. Re: Wait, what? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      I mourned Spaces for about a day until I started actually playing with Mission Control, with the goal of Trying Things Their Way. I now like MC much better than I ever liked Spaces. It works like I'd expect it to without any of Spaces's dumbnesses.

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    16. Re:Wait, what? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      Your analogy is completely wrong.

      By "dangerous" I mean, "How badly will this go wrong if I shoot myself in the foot?"

      I'm not saying you shouldn't use a screwdriver to pry open paint cans and used to drive screws. I'm saying you shouldn't use a nail gun as a TV remote.

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    17. Re:Wait, what? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      The browser would have to trigger the script somehow, the script would have to read the contents of the browser, etc. etc.

      You can probably find a scriptable browser in the App store, but I'm shocked you can't understand why this isn't a priority for Apple.

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    18. Re:Wait, what? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      I really, really hope this fascination of the global design community with "flat and ugly" disappears soon. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with gloss, shine, transparency and gradients? I actually *like* those things, and every UI designer seems to be tossing those out and saying "Nonono, you don't actually want that. Here's what hip and trendy, even if you don't like the way it looks! It's modern! It's clean! It's the FUTURE!"

      I'm actually fine with the anti-skeumorphic trend in general. After all, there's no purpose in a book-organization app to look like a wood-paneled bookshelf. That's just silly and needless over-design. But there are some design elements that have evolved beyond their real-world counterparts. Designers keep wringing their hands about how we need to find a new "save" icon rather than a floppy. Guess what? No, we don't, because the entire world knows and understands that as a universal symbol now, even beyond it's roots as a real world device.

      Likewise, the visual language of a button are well known. We probably press 100x more virtual buttons than real, physical buttons in our daily lives at this point, and so the beveled button is a design metaphor that doesn't need changing. I don't care if designers think it's ugly. It provides a 100% unambiguous declaration as to what it is and how it can be used. Designers have decided to strip that away and simply replace it with a clickable region and simple text (see Windows 8). This provides no clue to the user that the button is any different than a label, and actually sacrifices usability on the alter of design, which is inexcusable.

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    19. Re:Wait, what? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're typing the name of the program, of course there's little difference, except that Windows 8 covers your current workspace completely, yet doesn't even give you any visual indication that you can immediately start typing. This is endemic of the entire Windows 8 experience. There are no visual cues for *many* of the important things you have to do, and that's just a horrible design for a form factor with lots of real estate and a highly accurate pointing device.

      I personally think the start menu is simply easier to use for a mouse user, especially when you don't remember exactly the name of what you're looking for (this can happen for rarely used programs or documentation, for example), because everything is logically grouped. You simply walk up the menu tree until you find what you're looking for and click it. Frequently used programs are pinned to the taskbar or perhaps populate the desktop.

      However, it's a bit more than that as well. The start menu provides a logical anchor for nearly everything you can possibly do on a Windows machine. That's really, really important. There are shortcuts, but if you don't remember those shortcuts, you can simply click on the start menu and find it by browsing through the tree structure. It was an unbelievably stupid mistake, because MS completely discounted the psychological factor of removing a safe, always-visible fallback method for users to do whatever they needed to do on their computer.

      From a design perspective, the Windows 8 start screen (well, the modern UI in general, actually) was also extremely intrusive for the user as well. This is fine for small form factors, because there's not enough screen real estate to do otherwise, but completely unacceptable for people with extremely large form-factor screens. You're unnecessarily blocking all other relevant information that the user is currently processing. After all, this isn't a phone, and so there's a high probability the user is working on or monitoring something else in another window (or many windows), and by removing those from view, you're creating a discontinuity in the workflow. The process is simply visually uncomfortable for large form factors.

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  2. Re:Windows 8 by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope, no Windows 8 tiles, thank Jeebus. I've been using it since an early DP release and have been fairly impressed with the look/feel compared to past versions. A little buggy at first but that was to be expected being an unreleased OS and all. Even that first copy I installed was better than any iteration of Windows 8, and I'm primarily a Windows user.

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  3. Minimalism Overkill by nucrash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really wish this sad trend of minimalism would go away.

    In a way, I feel minimalism reflects the decline of our society because let's face it, we aren't putting all that much effort into our designs at this point.

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    1. Re:Minimalism Overkill by slapout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you! Apple keeps trying to take things away, but they've gotten to the point where it hurts functionality.

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    2. Re:Minimalism Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Minimalisim requires *more* effort, not less. Which is more of a design challenge: 1) expose every setting for every aspect of a system, pick reasonable defaults, and trust the user to learn enough to figure out how to adjust every setting, or 2) greatly narrow the choices, pick a very few settings to expose, get it right at design time.

      You may personally prefer one or the other, but minimalism puts a lot more work on the designer than the kitchen sink approach does.

  4. Cut the Crap by puddingebola · · Score: 3, Funny

    Look, Apple couldn't have developed this technology themselves. This came from the UFOs they have at Area 51 and the alien flying saucer technology from the Roswell crash. Do some basic research before you post these stories.

  5. Swift must be a good programming language... by mlts · · Score: 4, Funny

    Swift must be really in demand. In the past few weeks, I've gotten at least five recruiters with positions open, but with requirements of at least five years work with the language.

  6. Out of context... by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everyone's taking that snippet waaaay out of context.

    OS X and iOS work better together now, they don't work the same.

    As in, for example, you start typing a document on your desktop, like you normally would, and you can continue it on your phone seamlessly and automatically if you have to go out. Both with different, and appropriate, interfaces.

    This isn't about making your desktop work LIKE a phone. It's about making your desktop work WITH your phone.

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  7. Interesting they keep doing lengthly reviews... by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These Ars OSX reviews have always been really impressive things, full of technical examination and as you can see, very long to write...

    It made more sense to me back when you had to pay for an upgrade though, so you could see if it was worth getting. Now that it's free, the need for long technical examination seems to diminish...

    That said I hope they keep doing them because it is nice to have a deep technical examination of what is new.

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    1. Re:Interesting they keep doing lengthly reviews... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now that it's free, the need for long technical examination seems to diminish...

      I dunno about that. These reviews always show me features I've never known were in the OS and some of the thinking and history behind them. Do you need to read these? Of course not, my wife uses OSX and wouldn't understand every fifth word, nor would she care. I look forward to his disassemblies. Just takes me a while to get through them ....

      I don't spend a whole lot of time dithering with the OS. I use a computer for it's applications. But the more you know, the more work you can get out of the machines. Still and all, I can't get too wound up about missing a few pixels here and there. Glad somebody does.

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  8. First taste of Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I recently started a new role, where we predominately use Macs. As a long-term Linux user, I thought this would be a good opportunity to try out Macs, in case one day I decided to switch. Initially, I was very impressed, but after a few days, I find the whole thing to be dumbed down, unnecessarily.

    • Compared to Dolphin, I find Finder far too limited, especially the inability to show hidden files. I've got no idea why there is no such menu toggle built into it. What are Apple afraid of? This is especially annoying when I have to look for .m2 and .git files. Sure, I can use the command line, but it's not as intuitive.

    • The mouse scrolling was odd; the whole concept of "accelerating" while operating the wheel doesn't feel as natural as moving 2-3 lines with each movement. I had to download an app to get it the way I wanted (or, the same as it works in Windows and KDE).

    • It took me ages to realise that Command-Tab cycles through open applications, but not the windows. I found several windows all hidden behind one another that had been there for days, because OS X's window manager didn't present them to me. Apparently, I have to use Expose or something like that to see all of them.

    • Oddly, most things on Mac are Command+. However, on the command line, Ctrl+C is still used to break a program.

    • My Mac has been set up to be case insensitive. LS, GrEp, cAT, TAIl all behave as if they had been typed lowercase.

    • Pressing home and end take me to the top and bottom of the document, rather than the line I'm edit, making me have to do some finger gymnastics when I want to highlight an entire line I'm working on. That's probably just personal preference, though.

    • I'm not entirely sure why, when I click on the green plus, some windows will resize to fill the whole screen, while others will just get a little larger. Is that configurable somewhere..?

    Maybe KDE has spoiled me, with its lashings of customisation options, but I can see if I were to switch to a Mac, I'd spend a lot of time downloading hacks and scripts to bring back the features I like to work with, and other scripts to do away with those that I don't. Can't see myself switching to a Mac any time soon, if I'm being totally fair.

    1. Re:First taste of Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Compared to Dolphin, I find Finder far too limited, especially the inability to show hidden files. I've got no idea why there is no such menu toggle built into it. What are Apple afraid of? This is especially annoying when I have to look for .m2 and .git files. Sure, I can use the command line, but it's not as intuitive.

      defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE
      killall finder

      The mouse scrolling was odd; the whole concept of "accelerating" while operating the wheel doesn't feel as natural as moving 2-3 lines with each movement. I had to download an app to get it the way I wanted (or, the same as it works in Windows and KDE).

      The scrolling behaviour is designed to work with touch pads, because they're the primary analog interaction device on OS X, I'd strongly suggest you grab one.

      It took me ages to realise that Command-Tab cycles through open applications, but not the windows. I found several windows all hidden behind one another that had been there for days, because OS X's window manager didn't present them to me. Apparently, I have to use Expose or something like that to see all of them.

      Correct, exposé is the right tool for this job. You can also use cmnd-` to cycle through windows within an application.

      Oddly, most things on Mac are Command+. However, on the command line, Ctrl+C is still used to break a program.

      That would be because there are well established unixisms at the terminal. This has the substantial advantage that even in a terminal window, you can still use cmnd-c to copy things without losing ctrl-c to kill applications. Note, a lot of common terminal shortcuts like ctrl-a and ctrl-e for start and end of the line work throughout the OS.

      My Mac has been set up to be case insensitive. LS, GrEp, cAT, TAIl all behave as if they had been typed lowercase.

      So? Why is this an issue?

      Pressing home and end take me to the top and bottom of the document, rather than the line I'm edit, making me have to do some finger gymnastics when I want to highlight an entire line I'm working on. That's probably just personal preference, though.

      As I said above ctrl-a and ctrl-e. Also cmmd-left arrow and cmnd-right arrow.

      I'm not entirely sure why, when I click on the green plus, some windows will resize to fill the whole screen, while others will just get a little larger.

      This was changed in Yosemite, the green plus now full screens all apps. The reason for the odd behaviour is because of a lot of windows devs failing to understand what that button was meant to do. The original behaviour in Mac OS was to make the window exactly big enough to hold the content in it, and no bigger. Lots of people implemented it as maximise though.

      Maybe KDE has spoiled me, with its lashings of customisation options, but I can see if I were to switch to a Mac, I'd spend a lot of time downloading hacks and scripts to bring back the features I like to work with, and other scripts to do away with those that I don't. Can't see myself switching to a Mac any time soon, if I'm being totally fair.

      So what you're saying is that on Linux you're willing to install the appropriate software to make the machine behave like you want it, but on Mac OS, having to install software is unreasonable?

    2. Re:First taste of Mac OS X by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cycle through windows: Command + `

      Move cursor to beginning/end of line: Command + Left/Right

      Case insensitivity: You can enable this, but there might be repercussions

      Green plus: Only maximizes windows in Yosemite. Schizophrenic behavior is gone. The original idea was that it would resize the window to be exactly as large as it needed to be in order to show all its content, but it was often confusing.

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    3. Re:First taste of Mac OS X by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      Green plus: Only maximizes windows in Yosemite. Schizophrenic behavior is gone.

      The review disagrees. In windows that don't support full screen, the green + still does whatever it is that it does, and if for some reason you want to do that on windows with real fullscreen support, you can Option-click the green dot.

      Which means that in Yosemite, clicking on the green dot will either take you into fullscreen mode or do who even knows when it's a plus and not a pair of arrows. I'm not sure that's really an improvement if you want to remove "schizophrenic behavior."

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  9. Re:Windows 8 by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

    Nope. The failed Microsoft experiment of the same GUI on desktop and mobile was not and will never be done by Apple. They are aligning technologies, not UIs.

  10. Re:Sad that the technical stuff goes last by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative

    You DARE denigrate the OS X God that is John Siracusa*? You miserable infidel!.

    How can you NOT bow down to the man who must have spent every waking minute of his life since 10.10 was released in alpha form working on this magnum opus? How can you NOT revel in his insights as to the amount of white space needed to click on a menu bar? How can you NOT bask in the glory of a 25 page Ars article (thank His Noodliness for Adblock).

    Philistine.

    * Thanks John, I mean really. I've followed you since BYTE Days (not that I understood half of what you were saying). But 25 pages?

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  11. Re:Desktop is dying we need a good Workstation OS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue I have with Windows 8, and OS X.10 is the fact that they are trying to make the OS into the next tablet/mobile OS.

    No, they aren't. At least, not Apple.

    They are making your Mac work with your iDevice more seamlessly. There's a pretty big distinction there.

    Anyone claiming this is akin to Windows 7 -> Windows 8 isn't paying attention. For one, Apple has never (and still doesn't) ship a touchscreen Mac, so it would be quite ridiculous to put a touch-centric UI on OS X. OS X is still clearly ruled by the mouse / trackpad and keyboard, and will be for the foreseeable future for one very good reason - OS X is where the content for iOS is made, and iOS is where the content made on OS X is consumed.

    That is the business model for Apple, and very close to what Google is doing too if you haven't noticed. They haven't exactly been whipping people to get Android onto laptops - that's what ChromeOS is for.

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  12. Re:Windows 8 by bigman2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not a failed experiment.

    'Success' does not need to mean, "Everyone universally enjoys this XXXX".

    I'm a Windows Phone user as well as a Windows 8 user. I like both of them. I like that they've combined them. It works very well for me.

    The interface needs to be refined in order to appeal to more people, but that does not mean it is a failure. It just means that Windows 8 was the first iteration of something that could/should/can be very, very good.

    Taking the first steps toward a goal is not failure- it's building a foundation.

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  13. Re:Planned obsolescence by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm with you on the eye rolls. I'm not sure how a free upgrade with new features, to an already purchased product constitutes planned obsolescence. I realize language shifts, but planned obsolescence to me is when a product you purchased has a given shelf life where it loses the capability to do what you bought it for. This is a product that still does what you paid for it and actually increased utility, just some features that you didn't pay for anyway you can't use.

    Did anyone buy the MacBook in 2011 and say "you know, when they stop charging for OS upgrades, and give out free updates and dozens of new features to the mac and iPhone, i won't be able to use this one new free feature they both get 3 years from now, curse you Apple!"

  14. Re:Windows 8 by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personal likes can be subjective. But the failure of Windows Phone & Tablets in the market and the need of Microsoft to backpedal on the desktop is objective, The same Windows UI everywhere failed. A failure is not a foundation. It could be a learning exercise from which they'll recover. But in no way was it not a failure.

  15. It runs a program internally by Brannon · · Score: 2

    that implements the application of cooking something--why don't you expect to be able to re-write that program? Why don't you expect that you can re-write the code on the dozen micro-controllers in your car, or your refrigerator. What about your cable box? your DVR? your DVD player? How about that PS3 your kids play?

    You probably own a few dozen processors which are similarly handicapped by the manufacturer to function as an appliance.

    Your ethical criteria is arbitrarily created to castigate Apple for doing the same thing that hundreds of other manufacturers have done over the last 100 years. The point of technology is not "to let you tinker"--the point is to perform a specific function. Enabling tinkering is valuable and there are lots of computers made for that purpose (including Apple's entire Mac line)--but it is hardly the only valuable thing out there.

  16. Re:Windows 8 by pubwvj · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I'm a Windows Phone user"

    WOW! Finally, I've 'met' one. According to the sales states there was someone who bought a Windows Phone but I didn't expect to actually make contact with you. Hey, how's it working out?

  17. Re:Windows 8 by unixisc · · Score: 2

    I too have no problems with Windows 8.... on my Lumia. On my laptop, however, it was such a bitch that I replaced it with PC-BSD

  18. Re:Windows 8 by gumbi+west · · Score: 2

    I've met one too, in person. They worked for MS.