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Detritus From Cancer Cells May Infect Healthy Cells

bmahersciwriter writes Tiny bubbles of cell membrane — called exosomes — are shed by most cells. Long thought to be mere trash, researchers had recently noticed that they often contain short, regulatory RNA molecules, suggesting that exosomes may be one way that cells communicate with one another. Now, it appears that RNA in the exosomes shed by tumor cells can get into healthy cells and 'transform' them, putting them on the path to becoming cancerous themselves.

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  1. Watch and Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If true, kind of makes you worry about the prostate cancer "treatment" called watch and wait.

  2. Long thought to be mere trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    By who? Idiots? Why are the biological sciences filled with pretentious arrogant twats who are unable to grasp the fundamental information processing nature of chemistry?

    Yeah, guess what, that molecule is a snippet of code you dumbfuck!

    And since you clearly understand neither the architecture or the opcodes, how can you assume what is trash and what isn't?

    Fucknuts!

    1. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by Wild_dog! · · Score: 2

      And you published your own research into the subject when exactly AC? It is easier to criticize the bus driver from the back of the bus.

    2. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

      These "pretentious arrogant twats" have known that exosomes can carry mRNA and miRNA and what exactly as early as 2007. Further, we knew that tumor cells used them to manipulate its environment and how as early as 2010.

      And we've known about them since a study published in 1987. It seemed to just carry obsolete proteins from cells called reticulocytes. But we've known for well over a decade that they're used as a form of intercellular transport, especially within the immune system. No legitimate scientist was going, "Hey this does this one thing for this specific type of cell under certain conditions, I bet it does that exact same thing for all other cells in the body."

      In fact scientists noticed that platelets were also using exosomes and it was a mystery as to why.

      It's funny because you're the one who doesn't seem to be understanding basic microbiology, like the difference between a protein and mRNA.

    3. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      At risk of feeding the troll, biologists would most likely be the first to tell you that they do not know everything in their field, nor that the field answers any of the fundamental questions, since that's what just about every story related to biology seems to be about lately - new understandings of something previously not considered or even dismissed, much as this case. Biology's understanding at the current time is much like giving you windows 10 today and asking you about it. You understand some of the externally visible pieces, but you don't have a clue how the library dependency structure works exactly, nor what will happen if you replace or remove this one particular file. In any case, understanding yet one more piece of the puzzle should be exciting, not a time to demean those working hard to solve the puzzle.

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    4. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, these are the things people claimed were the alternative explanation for Montangier and Gallo's original images of "HIV".

    5. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I can still tell if the roast is burnt!

      It's called the Maillard reaction, you twit! You can't cook and the chef knows how to get a delicious crust on your roast.

    6. Re:Long thought to be mere trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She did attempt to publish. However, because her parents (Mr. and Mrs. Coward) thought it would be funny to name her Anonymous, the journals don't take her submissions seriously. Very sad to ignore such an intellect but part of the problem is that she is afraid to challenge the journals' assessments so her research is doomed to obscurity. She should "man up" and be more aggressive.

  3. stop poisoning ourselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    free the innocent stem cells? 1000s of our genuine spiritual & physical allys continue dying daily from 100% preventable starvation, rockets red glare, babys bursting in air etc... still no one is responsible,, or even aware..

  4. Cell-level "Radicalization" process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Tiny bubbles of cell membrane â" called exosomes â" are shed by most cells. Long thought to be mere trash, researchers had recently noticed that they often contain short, regulatory RNA molecules, suggesting that exosomes may be one way that cells communicate with one another. Now, it appears that RNA in the exosomes shed by tumor cells can get into healthy cells and 'transform' them, putting them on the path to becoming cancerous themselves

    In other words, the exosomes from cancerous cells work very much like Islamic State recruiters in the Western world --- via the process of radicalizing healthy cells to turn rogue

    1. Re:Cell-level "Radicalization" process? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to go that far and outside of biology for an analogy. It is simply like a virus.

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    2. Re:Cell-level "Radicalization" process? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Which itself can be simply RNA.

    3. Re:Cell-level "Radicalization" process? by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Well, I think usually they require some kind of cell-breaching machinery as well. I think it's unusual for cells to swallow up random strands of pure RNA floating around outside their walls- but I could be entirely wrong.

    4. Re:Cell-level "Radicalization" process? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      OK- well, nothing that the exosomes don't have.

  5. Assumptions... by curious.corn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't it great when decades old assumptions are challenged and new research and understanding avenues open up? Can't beat science...

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    1. Re:Assumptions... by gunner_von_diamond · · Score: 2

      "Yeah! Science Bitch!" -Jesse Pinkman

  6. Does this say that Cancer may be mildly contagious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    " Five of the 11 exosome samples from the patients induced tumour growth when mixed with normal cells and injected into mice"

    Seems unlikely, there would be some statistical evidence in caregivers by now.
    Which says that probably have a ways to go before really understanding what they have seen here.

  7. Blocking exosomes by kammermusik · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    "But trying to slow cancer by blocking exosomes is a difficult proposition, says Al-Nedawii. It is unclear how that would affect normal cells, he notes, and some exosomes from healthy cells have been shown to contain proteins that prevent cancer"

    Too bad. I wonder whether they differ enough from non-malicious exosomes that they could be targeted/inhibited specifically with a different kind of chemotherapy drug to silence 'malangelizing' tumor cells.

    1. Re:Blocking exosomes by L'Ange+Oliver · · Score: 1

      The exosomes will be similar, only the content will differ. Also, its still not clear how much these exosome travel. They might end up far from any tumor cell, making it impractical for targeting.

    2. Re:Blocking exosomes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't differ anymore than the membrane of the cancer cell already does, so antibody therapy wouldn't work any more than it would on the cancer itself. If you got lucky it'd work on both but you'd have already cured yourself if your immune system could readily identify the cancer.

  8. Biopsy "contamination"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Decades ago someone told me it seems like cancer growth accelerates when air hits it. I think she meant exploratory surgery.

    I wonder what this research could mean in regard to common types of diagnostic procedures?

  9. There is no "trash". by digsbo · · Score: 2

    Either in the DNA or any other part of the body's systems. We just made a lot of simplifying assumptions to get a handle on some extremely complex systems (i.e. genes are the only place inheritable traits are carried). Now we have to start addressing the complexity behind those simplifying assumptions.

    1. Re:There is no "trash". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course there is... you have many cellular systems that exist solely to destroy all of the trash and cellular excrement. The DNA is full of broken pseudogenes, too, that's just entropy for you. Some things we thought were junk turn out to do things, but yes, everybody poops.

    2. Re:There is no "trash". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people who work in these fields don't make such simplifying assumptions and they question and analyze everything.

      What you think of as "simplifying assumptions" are simplifications used to teach non-experts like you a little bit of science before you go off doing whatever it is you're doing.

      There is no "we". You are not part of the group that works in these areas.

  10. How is this different from a virus? by pz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A small encapsulatory structure containing a fragment of RNA. I'm not a microbiologist, so can someone tell me how these things are different from a virus?

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    1. Re:How is this different from a virus? by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      Probably because they don't self-replicate?

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    2. Re:How is this different from a virus? by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Viruses don't self-replicate, but they cause themselves to be replicated by cells they have infected.

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    3. Re:How is this different from a virus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RNA viruses contain reverse transcriptase to allow their reproduction.

    4. Re:How is this different from a virus? by pz · · Score: 2

      And that should have been part of my posting above that asked the question -- these fragments dock with other cells, inject the RNA, and that RNA causes the cells to become cancerous, which, in turn creates more of these little RNA capsulettes.

      I'm sure there are some differences between these and classical virus structure, in some way, but given my ignorance of the subject, they walk and talk like viruses.

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    5. Re:How is this different from a virus? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are some differences between these and classical virus structure, in some way, but given my ignorance of the subject, they walk and talk like viruses.

      And, who knows, might actually be how viruses originated.

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    6. Re:How is this different from a virus? by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Viruses by definition contain genetic code from outside the host organism. They're invaders who hijack natural reproductive cellular processes, so of course you're going to be able to point to things that cells do that viruses also do. That doesn't make them the same. Proviruses may employ a very-superficially similar mechanism to what is outlined here but lytic viruses work totally differently, i.e. basically exploding the cells they infect by their rampant copypasta.

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    7. Re:How is this different from a virus? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      People can't self-replicate either, without consuming resources as they do so.

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  11. May I be the first to say.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge.....

  12. Re:Does this say that Cancer may be mildly contagi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "statistical evidence in caregivers by now"

    Has anybody bothered doing such a study?

  13. Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction by Scot+Seese · · Score: 1

    .. This finding is not entirely surprising, as the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction has been understood for quite some time, particularly relevant to treatment of bacterial infection.

    Nutshell, antibodies, natural or pharmaceutical, kill bacteria, causing them to dump endotoxins contained within the bacteria into the bloodstream, often causing the patient to feel significantly worse for a period of time.

    Not unlike taking a large garbage bag out of the dumpster, throwing it into your swimming pool, then cutting it open with a box cutter.

    Chronic inflammatory or bacterial illnesses like rheumatoid arthritis or Lyme disease are particularly notorious for the "Herxing" patients feel during treatment.

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  14. Re:Does this say that Cancer may be mildly contagi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has been documented as spreading through sex partners, not sure about care givers.

  15. Re:Does this say that Cancer may be mildly contagi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you'd have to be inbred with the cancer 'donor' to not reject their cancer as readily as you'd reject an organ transplant from them. There are a few transmissable cancers in tasmanian devils and dogs. The former because they're inbred, the latter I believe has immunosuppressant properties.

  16. Hory Clap ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if things weren't bad enough already

  17. Not necessarily. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    No, you'd have to be inbred with the cancer 'donor' to not reject their cancer as readily as you'd reject an organ transplant from them.

    Not necessarily.

    These things aren't carrying the full-blown genome. They're carrying little bits of it - like regulatory switches (or something that functions like that). They ought to be able, occasionally, to covert another person's cells JUST FINE without also marking them as any more foreign than an equivalent cancer naturally arising in that person.

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  18. But I bet it's descended from a virus. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Viruses by definition contain genetic code from outside the host organism.

    On the other hand, just as some organelles (i.e. mitochondria, chloroplasts) are apparently the remnant of a microbial infection or ancient symbiosis that became integrated, there are several cellular mechanisms that are apparently remnants of an ancient retrovirus infection, where the bulk of the viral genome was lost but one of its mechanisms was retained and adapted to perform some useful new function.

    I'd be willing to bet this is another example of such an

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  19. Should be VERY USEFUL for gene & stem cell the by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    This should be REALLY USEFUL - for gene therapy and stem cell therapy.

    One of the big problems with such therapies is how to deliver the modified genes or regulators to the target cells, without converting them to something that would be rejected or otherwise have unintended markers or modifications.

    One approach is to deliver genes or regulatory chemicals via a modified virius or using viral capsid proteins to construct an "injector". (A family of methods for turning harvested somatic cells into toti/pluri/multi/unipotent stem cells consists of inserting four regulatory proteins - by inserting about four GENES THAT CODE FOR THEM via a modified virus.)

    Now here we have a a method, already used by the body, to transport RNA signalling snippets and other factors from one cell into another, by a sending cell creating virus-like carrier particles that destination cells readily accept and absorb.

    THAT looks like an IDEAL basis for building a carrier for regulatory factors to switch cell modes on and off, or to tote new genetic material into a target cell for incorporation, to correct genetic errors or supply lost genes:

      1) Make fake exosomes carrying the message you want to deliver.
      2) Inject them into the tissue you want to affect.
      3) Rewrite the state or code of the target cells.
      4) Cure disease (or otherwise augment the patient's health).
      5) PROFIT!

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  20. Query by mangamuscle · · Score: 1

    Does anybody knows if exosomes would be removed from the blood stream if the "biospleen" is used? http://www.nature.com/news/art...