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How Apple Watch Is Really a Regression In Watchmaking

Nerval's Lobster writes Apple design chief Jony Ive has spent the past several weeks talking up how the Apple Watch is an evolution on many of the principles that guided the evolution of timepieces over the past several hundred years. But the need to recharge the device on a nightly basis, now confirmed by Apple CEO Tim Cook, is a throwback to ye olden days, when a lady or gentleman needed to keep winding her or his pocket-watch in order to keep it running. Watch batteries were supposed to bring "winding" to a decisive end, except for that subset of people who insist on carrying around a mechanical timepiece. But with Apple Watch's requirement that the user constantly monitor its energy, what's old is new again. Will millions of people really want to charge and fuss with their watch at least once a day?

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  1. How big a fuss is it, really? by daemonhunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    I take my watch off at the end of the day. I put it on in the morning. How big a difference is it to set it "on a charger on my nightstand", instead of just "on my nightstand?"

    Much ado about nothing.

    1. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by RevSpaminator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Years ago, when I wore watches, they had to be waterproof because I never took them off. One less thing to have to f' with in the morning.

    2. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a big enough fuss that people stopped using mechanical watches in the first place.

    3. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a big enough fuss that people stopped using mechanical watches in the first place.

      People stopped using mechanical watches because other watches were better. Also many
      high quality mechanical watches self-wind as long as you wear them. Not wearing them
      is actually a problem. They actually sell special cases to wind mechanical watches when
      not in use: http://www.rakuten.com/prod/4-...

      If the apple watch is better (in any sense of the word) then it has a chance. The only problem
      I see with nightly charging is that (at least with smart phones), that usually means that
      heavy users have to charge midday which IS a pain.

    4. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by neoritter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh there's a point to requiring a different charger. More money from you.

    5. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by eneville · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The watch should keep good time. If the battery requires a recharge, then should one forget and pull an all-nighter, does the timepiece become less accurate?

      I don't see why some of the functions could be sacrificed to provide longer battery. That'd suit most people I imagine. I welcome the day when all smart phones can go upwards of two weeks with normal use before needing a charge. The Moto G can go most of the week between charges and I use it a fair bit to ssh to my mail server to check mail, irc, web logs etc. So why should a simple watch require more frequent charging?

    6. Re:How big a fuss is it, really? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Take it off and give the strap a sniff. Turns out, you do need to take it off from time to time.

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  2. I really don't understand smart watches... by Hammeh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has there been some change over recent years that has made phones hard to get out of your pocket? Why would you want to do anything on such a tiny screen when a bigger one is within reach almost 100% of the time?

    1. Re:I really don't understand smart watches... by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Running, for one. Not having to carry a phone is useful. Yes, there are hundreds of fitness trackers. Why not a multi-purpose tracker that also lets me reply to the wife?

      You still have to have the phone on you. The watch talks to the phone.

    2. Re:I really don't understand smart watches... by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Smart watches fail on look good and discrete. They look gaudy and are designed to catch others eyes so they know how cool you are.

    3. Re:I really don't understand smart watches... by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That sounds like a design flaw in the specific smartwatch as opposed to a problem with the utility of such devices in general.

    4. Re:I really don't understand smart watches... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has there been some change over recent years that has made phones hard to get out of your pocket?

      Skinny jeans.

    5. Re:I really don't understand smart watches... by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      5) You can have class and style and look a hell of a lot better for a lot less money. You just won't look like a trendy fanboi.

      This.... Anyone attributing a smart watch from Apple, or any other company for that matter, to class or style just do not understand class or style. Some people easily confuse popularity or celebrity with class and style. It's been my experience that people who have true class and style do not wear gadgets or toys that can distract from enjoying people and the event, whether intimate or in public.

      Personally, as a geek I think that gadgets are cool but very few actually have class or style...

  3. Do you charge your phone every day? by mveloso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in the day, you didn't need to charge your phone every day. Now you do. Big deal?

  4. Bleh by Anrego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bleh

    This "article" could have just been jammed in the summary, hell Bennett writes larger blog posts in the summary all the time! I can also honestly say I thought to myself "well this is really lame" before noticing it was a shameless dice self post.

    I hate apple and have no interest in a "smart watch", but having to charge the damn thing all the time is a well understood problem, something which is weighed as a con vs whatever pros people find in these things. If I had any interest in the features, I doubt this would be a show stopper. It just becomes a slight addition to the list of things I do before going to bed. If value of that effort exceeds the annoyance of that effort, then it's worth it?

    This article doesn’t do anything besides point out the issue and make a fairly obvious correlation (something the author probably felt was way more clever than it actually was)?

    1. Re:Bleh by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      This "article" could have just been jammed in the summary

      Nerval = Dicevertisment

      That says it all.

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    2. Re:Bleh by Anrego · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wow, I assumed you meant like he suspiciously makes a lot of dice related posts, but it's not even subtle.

      Identified as "works for slashdot" and entire history seems to be nothing but dice.com posts. It's like this guys job is literally to post dice shit to slashdot all day.

  5. Don't wear a watch... by itzly · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wearing a watch in itself is already "is a throwback to ye olden days". I haven't worn a watch in decades, and I see a lot of people without them. When I need to see the time, I can glance at the corner of the computer screen, or check my phone.

  6. Re:Better question: by RevSpaminator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nerdlinger? Nothing nerdy about this device. A nerdy device would have an expansion port and, possibly, an open chip socket. The OS would be definitely be user-flashable. This is a wanna-be device all the way. Remember, real nerds play First Edition rules. :)

  7. Re:Are Apple watches the only ones? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do none of the other smart watches require to be charged?

    How is this a problem restricted to Apple?

    Because the Apple Watch is the only one that is expected to sell well. (Not because it's better, but because it's Apple.)

  8. Re:Better question: by idontgno · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Real nerds don't call it "First Edition."

    There was only one edition. Any assertion to the contrary will be vigorously ignored.

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  9. Confirms that Apple's strategy is correct by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mechanical watches were so ridiculously convenient and useful that people would gladly wind their watches once a day. Similarly, if the Apple Watch proves convenient and useful, people will gladly charge it once a day.

    Of course, the most myopic aspect of these articles is the unwritten presumption that today's state of the art will never improve. Yes, Apple Watch will need to be charged once a day for the next couple of years, but charge times are going to improve tremendously as Moore's Law continues to plug along. The Apple Watch will improve in a way analogous to the way mechanical and later quartz watches improved far beyond the limitations of the original pocket watches and wristwatches.

  10. cell phones and notepads by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Analogously, cell phones are a throwback to old crank phones because you have to charge them before you use them. We used to have perfectly good powered land lines. Cell phones with their short battery lives and constant attention are for eclectic hobbyists I'm sure.

    And don't get me started about notepads when a paper and pencil pad can store your information for a century or more with no format changes impairing data retreival. current ipads are the equivalent of undecipherable babelonian cuniform clay tablets. Ludicrous anyone would want to go back to such fragile formats for information storage

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    1. Re:cell phones and notepads by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Would people complain as much if Apple called it the Apple WristComputerWithTouchScreenAndBluetoothSpeakerAndHealthMonitoring?

      I mean, that's what it is. But Apple's marketing decided on a somewhat better name.

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  11. The airplane is a regression in train making by Old97 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a train, the airplane is pitiful. It can't haul as much freight or as many passengers. It costs more. It needs to land and be refueled more frequently. And who needs an airplane anyway? Trains are safer as you are less likely to die in an accident. Trains may not be as fast, but what's the hurry? I like sitting in the car and seeing the country go by at ground level. You can't see a damn thing from an airplane and what you do see looks like little toys. Yep, only an idiot would build or buy an airplane because I like trains.

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