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Human Clinical Trials To Begin On Drug That Reverses Diabetes In Animal Models

Zothecula writes: A study at the University of Alabama at Birmingham has shown that verapamil, a drug widely used to treat high blood pressure, irregular heartbeat and migraine headaches, is able to completely reverse diabetes in animal models. The UAB team will now move onto clinical trials to see if the same results are repeated in humans.

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  1. Animal models by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

    What is the difference between an animal model and an animal used in scientific experimentation?

    1. Re:Animal models by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2

      What is the difference between an animal model and an animal used in scientific experimentation?

      Animal models are SUPER-thin and pout a lot.

    2. Re:Animal models by omems · · Score: 1

      Nothing really. The term "model" is used because an animal with a disease is not the same as a human with the same disease. It is, at best, an approximation that has many similarities.

      You can find more at wikiP .

    3. Re:Animal models by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 5, Informative

      An animal model is an animal which has been specifically engineered to resemble human disease. For example, there is a mouse model for melanoma which has a specifically engineered copy of the BRAF gene with a V600E mutation that occurs in about half of all human melanomas along with a knock out of the PTEN gene, also very common in human melanomas. These genes are fused to a tyrosenase promoter, which is only expressed in melanocytes in the skin, and a drug activator so that they can be turned on at a specific time and in the correct place. Melanoma is unknown in mice besides this model and previous cases created in the laboratory with chemical or ultraviolet mutagenesis. "Animal model" also implies some body of literature studying the engineered animal to verify that it really does resemble the human condition better than other practically available alternative experimental subjects.

    4. Re:Animal models by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Statistics.

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  2. Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are they talking about type 1 diabetes (lack of insulin production) or type 2 diabetes (insulin resistance)? I suspect it's type 2 because fixing a pancreas that's not producing insulin would be quite difficult if not impossible.

    1. Re: Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by thehiddenones · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's type 1. I beleive they're doing it by inserting insulin - producing cells that won't get caught by the immune system.

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    2. Re: Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by thehiddenones · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whoops, wrong group. They're doing it by inhibiting the buildup of a chemical that kills beta cells.

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    3. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA specifically says it's type 1 diabetes.

    4. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Type 1, actually. They've found a pathway that is involved in triggering beta cell death and a drug that supresses that pathway, leading to regeneration of beta cell mass in animal models. They're literally looking at a way of making the type 1 pancreas work again, which even if it's a little bit, will be able to do the fine-tuned control of insulin better than you ever can with a pump or injections. This is fantastic.

    5. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Are they talking about type 1 diabetes (lack of insulin production) or type 2 diabetes (insulin resistance)? I suspect it's type 2 because fixing a pancreas that's not producing insulin would be quite difficult if not impossible.

      Nope, the title of the trial is:

      the re-purposing of verapamil as a beta cell survival therapy in type 1 diabetes

    6. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Type II.

      I dunno about this who thing. Verpamil is a common drug. Diabetes is a common problem. There exists data sets from the big insurers, systems like Kaiser and those nasty socialists, the Scandinavians, who have had computerized medical records for decades. It would seem easy to ask the question 'Are the glucose (or better yet Hemoglobin A1c) levels) among patients taking verapamil and different from similar patients not taking the drug.

      You could get some pretty good data pretty quick. You would still need to do the prospective study, but you could get an idea if it made sense to go further.

      Of course, they could have done such a study - these puff piece articles aren't of the highest caliber.

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    7. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, type I, ONE you damned keyboard. ONE. 1.

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    8. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should have read the whole thread? He corrected himself 2 minutes before you posted.

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    9. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by kwiecmmm · · Score: 1

      The article states that it is for type 1 diabetes.

      Instead it is meant to lessen the amount of TXNIP to prevent the immune system from destroying beta cells. And it is only being given to folks who were recently diagnosed (last 3 months)?

      I think the title of this is all wrong, maybe I am misreading this, but it seems like it is meant to prevent body from destroying the few beta cells that are left. How can this cure diabetes? Is this treatment anything that can be used in folks (like myself) that have had type 1 for a while?

      The articles don't really answer these questions but seem to claim that it can cure diabetes, does anyone know the answers to these?

    10. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's type 1 (which I have). It it not necessarily impossible to fix a pancreas that is not producing insulin, because very often, even a type 1 diabetic will have at least a few beta cells. If something can be done to prevent beta cells from being destroyed, the body can produce more, and then a healthy level of insulin can be maintained.

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    11. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Zothecula should have put it in the post.

    12. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      They are talking about both, but the first clinical trial will only use type I subjects.

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    13. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Of course in /. tradition I didn't read TFA. It's information that should have been in the summary post.

    14. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by sjames · · Score: 1

      That is unknown for now. We don't know everything about the autoimmune reaction that destroys the beta cells in the first place.

      IF and it is an if, the autoimmune reaction is simply the starting trigger and the destruction is sustained by other follow-on effects, this might actually cure or lessen the disease in people who have been affected for a while.

      The thing is, the induced type I in mice is a very limited model, so all they can say for sure is that there is reason to believe it might be of some benefit to some patients.

    15. Re: Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      from the reading of the article, it seems to work for Type 2 too but their research for now only test for Type 1? Would anyone venture to think why this will or will not work for type 2? (try to see if this will help my folk who has type 2.)

    16. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You are missing that it might have to be given in a quite different regime and maybe quite different dosage. Other than that, how do you think they got the idea? Very likely there is a small, but statistically relevant effect in ordinary use of the drug.

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    17. Re:Type 1 or Type 2 Diabetes? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Type 1, actually. They've found a pathway that is involved in triggering beta cell death and a drug that supresses that pathway, leading to regeneration of beta cell mass in animal models. They're literally looking at a way of making the type 1 pancreas work again, which even if it's a little bit, will be able to do the fine-tuned control of insulin better than you ever can with a pump or injections. This is fantastic.

      It is, except that EVERY medication has side effects. Thanks, but I'm going to stick with insulin injections.

      Gastrointestinal side effects have included constipation (up to 11.7%), nausea (up to 2.7%), dyspepsia (up to 2.7%), and diarrhea (up to 2.4%). Nonobstructive, paralytic ileus (reversible upon discontinuation) has been reported infrequently. Diarrhea, dry mouth, gastrointestinal distress, and gingival hyperplasia have been reported.

      Cardiovascular side effects have included hypotension (up to 2.5%), new or worsened congestive heart failure (CHF) or pulmonary edema (negative inotropism; 1.8%), bradycardia (heart rate less than 50/minute; 1.4%), atrioventricular (AV) block (first-degree; up to 1.7%), AV block (total first-, second-, and third-degree; 1.2%), AV block (second- and third-degree; 0.8%), and postural hypotension (up to 0.4%). Symptomatic hypotension (1.5%), bradycardia (1.2%), and severe tachycardia (1%) have been reported with intravenous verapamil. In studies related to control of ventricular response in patients taking digoxin who had atrial fibrillation or atrial flutter, ventricular rate less than 50/minute at rest (15%) and asymptomatic hypotension (5%) were reported. Dizziness, hypotension, peripheral edema, and headache are not uncommon and are related to vasodilation of vascular smooth muscle. Verapamil may accelerate conduction of anomalous AV conduction tissue, as in the Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, which can result in worsened tachycardia, including malignant ventricular tachyarrhythmias or accelerated junctional tachycardia. Because of this potentially fatal side effect, verapamil is not recommended in patients with atrial fibrillation and premature ventricular depolarizations. Angina pectoris, AV block (second- and third-degree), atrioventricular dissociation, CHF, pulmonary edema, abnormal ECG, chest pain, claudication, hypertension, myocardial infarction, palpitations, and purpura (vasculitis) have been reported during open trials/postmarketing experience.

      CHF or pulmonary edema may be particularly important in patients with poor left ventricular function.

      Various conduction disturbances have been reported with verapamil therapy, including bradycardia, AV block, first-, second-, third-degree heart block, and left bundle branch block.

      Nervous system side effects have included headache (up to 12.1%), dizziness (up to 4.7%), lethargy (up to 3.2%), fatigue (up to 4.5%), sleep disturbances (up to 1.4%), paresthesia (up to 1%), and rare neurologic complaints (including paresthesias, sleeping problems, and tremors; less than 1%). Dizziness (1.2%), headache (1.2%), sleepiness, vertigo, and rare cases of seizures during injection have been reported with intravenous verapamil. Rare cases of muscle fasciculations in patients with underlying neuromuscular diseases, stroke associated with verapamil-induced hypotension, exacerbation of myasthenia gravis, and myoclonic dystonia have been reported. Cerebrovascular accident, confusion, equilibrium disorders, extrapyramidal symptoms, insomnia, paresthesia, shakiness, somnolence, syncope, and tinnitus have been reported during open trials/postmarketing experience.

      Other side effects have included flu syndrome (up to 3.7%), peripheral edema (up to 3.7%), edema (up to 3%), pain (up to 2.4%), fatigue (1.7%), accidental injury (up to 1.5%), ankle edema (up to 1.4%), and flushing (up to 0.8%).

      Immunologic side effects have included infection (up to 12.1%).

      Hepatic side effects have included elevated liver enzymes (up to 1.

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  3. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by thehiddenones · · Score: 1

    You do realize that diabetes is often a genetic disease linked in no way to obesity, right?

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  4. Re:What's the name of the drug? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Well, this isn't quite a new low in first posts. After all, Golden Girls, Gaping nether parts and blatant misspellings are just rampant in our attempt to be the first to reply to these important and challenging topics.

    But the drug's name, verapamil, is the 13th word in TFS. How long does that take to read?

    Slow down Cowboy! We're here all day!

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  5. Human models by Extremus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the drug is already in use (for other purposes), wouldn't we be able to see its effects on people already?

    1. Re:Human models by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      If the drug is already in use (for other purposes), wouldn't we be able to see its effects on people already?

      How do you think this all got started in the first place?

    2. Re:Human models by ssyladin · · Score: 2

      Anecdotal evidence, not scientifically controlled. A company seeks & the FDA has approve a chemical for the treatment of a specific condition. If they find additional uses, there is a whole additional battery of analysis on dosing, side-effects, etc. that needs to be done. 8mg of asprin a day to help improve heart health for some folks, but 400mg every 4 hours to treat clotting conditions. Same drug, very different uses, separately validated & approved.

  6. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    Yes, and TFA makes it clear that they are focusing on Type 1 patients, so lets all STFU about how fat people are to blame for all their own problems. M'kay?

  7. Re:US Gov't Corn Subsides by tomhath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Corn subsidies keep the price of Ethanol artificially low so people don't realize how expensive that silly attempt at "renewable" energy really is.

  8. Re:What's the name of the drug? by the_B0fh · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are missing OP's point, which is type II diabetes is typically a lifestyle/choice disease. Moderation as in, moderate eating, exercise, etc.

    However, OP missed something from the article, this isn't type II, but type I diabetes!

  9. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 1

    Right, the study is enrolling people with type 1 diabetes (juvenile onset) which is typically genetic or caused by infection or other damage to the pancreas. It's type 2 diabetes (adult onset) which is thought to have some environmental cause like diet, lack of exercise or some combination of the two. High fructose corn syrup has been specifically vilified in this regard but I don't think the evidence is convincing that it is any worse than any other sugar. IMHO, it fall into the category of correlation is not causation.

  10. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by bws111 · · Score: 1

    From the NIH:

    Genes play a significant part in susceptibility to type 2 diabetes. Having certain genes or combinations of genes may increase or decrease a person’s risk for developing the disease. The role of genes is suggested by the high rate of type 2 diabetes in families and identical twins and wide variations in diabetes prevalence by ethnicity. Type 2 diabetes occurs more frequently in African Americans, Alaska Natives, American Indians, Hispanics/Latinos, and some Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians, and Pacific Islander Americans than it does in non-Hispanic whites.

    Recent studies have combined genetic data from large numbers of people, accelerating the pace of gene discovery. Though scientists have now identified many gene variants that increase susceptibility to type 2 diabetes, the majority have yet to be discovered. The known genes appear to affect insulin production rather than insulin resistance. Researchers are working to identify additional gene variants and to learn how they interact with one another and with environmental factors to cause diabetes.

    Studies have shown that variants of the TCF7L2 gene increase susceptibility to type 2 diabetes. For people who inherit two copies of the variants, the risk of developing type 2 diabetes is about 80 percent higher than for those who do not carry the gene variant.1 However, even in those with the variant, diet and physical activity leading to weight loss help delay diabetes, according to the Diabetes Prevention Program (DPP), a major clinical trial involving people at high risk.

    Genes can also increase the risk of diabetes by increasing a person’s tendency to become overweight or obese. One theory, known as the “thrifty gene” hypothesis, suggests certain genes increase the efficiency of metabolism to extract energy from food and store the energy for later use. This survival trait was advantageous for populations whose food supplies were scarce or unpredictable and could help keep people alive during famine. In modern times, however, when high-calorie foods are plentiful, such a trait can promote obesity and type 2 diabetes.

  11. Type 1 vs Type 2 by Dynamoo · · Score: 1
    Type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes are really not the same condition at all, although often the symptoms and treatment are similar. Much of the recent research has been into Type 1.

    Incidentally, I have type 2 diabetes and my body/mass index is exactly where it should be, I'm not overweight and never have been. It doesn't just affect big people.

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    1. Re:Type 1 vs Type 2 by itzly · · Score: 1

      Body/mass index isn't necessarily a reliable indicator, though. Two people with identical weight and identical fat percentage can still differ in the place they carry the fat. Fat around internal organs can cause metabolic disorders, while the same amount of subcutaneous fat can be harmless.

    2. Re:Type 1 vs Type 2 by wcrowe · · Score: 2

      One of the greatest disservices that has been done to people with diabetes is the notion that being overweight causes the disease. It can certainly contribute to it, but the bottom line is that it is a genetic disorder. I personally know three type 2 diabetics who have fine BMIs and get regular exercise. Myself, I was diagnosed as a type 2. I began exercising and lost 110 pounds. And yet I kept getting worse. It turns out that I was mis-diagnosed, and that I am a type 1. It just hit me later in life than it usually does.

      Unfortunately, there is now this popular misconception that everyone who is diabetic is a fat couch potato. There was an SNL skit a couple of years ago where a Chinese character in a skit says, "What does America manufacture? Hmmmm. Diabetes?" Big laughs. Oh, har, har, har! Now we read that the largest number of diabetics in the world are in China.

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    3. Re:Type 1 vs Type 2 by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Isn't that used for gestational?

  12. Re:What's the name of the drug? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Oh, that kind of moderation.

    Would never occur to me to use the work in that particular context.

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  13. Re:What's the name of the drug? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You are missing OP's point, which is type II diabetes is typically a lifestyle/choice disease. Moderation as in, moderate eating, exercise, etc.

    However, OP missed something from the article, this isn't type II, but type I diabetes!

    But this isn't for Type 2. It's for Type 1... and it's been proven that moderation doesn't work for either. The disease creates the cravings that lead to the weight gain.

  14. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by geekoid · · Score: 1, Informative

    Type II is also genetic.

    You need to get caught up.

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  15. Re: The food pyramid screws you up and then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    6 liters of soda and half a dozen bacon cheeseburgers aren't on the pyramid you fat fuck.

  16. Re:What's the name of the drug? by armanox · · Score: 1

    Actually, if you're a type 1, continued eating without insulin will cause massive weight loss. Diabetic Ketoacidosis sucks.

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  17. Re:The food pyramid screws you up and then... by armanox · · Score: 1

    Clearly you don't understand how the disorder works.

    You can't 'cure' type I diabetes. Pancreatic transplants are the closest thing we currently have, and they are subject to the same trouble that the native pancreas suffers - destruction of the beta islet cells due to an autoimmune response.

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  18. Is there hope? by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

    This isn't a "cure" per say, as you'd still have to take verapamil on a daily basis. You'd just be replacing one drug (insulin) with another (verapamil). You'd need less insulin though, and the verapamil will probably help regulate glucose levels more closely. I'm sure verapamil comes with a nice list of side effects of it's own though.

    As someone with Type 1, I really want to be hopeful about this.....but it seems like we've been 5 years away from a cure for the last 30 years now.

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    1. Re:Is there hope? by kwiecmmm · · Score: 1

      Recently a Harvard doctor said he was able to get stem cells to turn into Beta Cells. http://hsci.harvard.edu/news/stem-cells-billions-human-insulin-producing-cells

      Maybe with this and the verapamil the body won't attack the Beta Cells...

      As a type 1 for a decade I understand the skepticism, but they seem to be closer these days. Also I would love to just take pills everyday for this rather than insulin injections and constant blood sugar monitoring.

    2. Re:Is there hope? by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      As someone with Type 1, I really want to be hopeful about this.....but it seems like we've been 5 years away from a cure for the last 30 years now.

      I remember when I was a kid they predicted a cure for diabetes at about 5 years. This was 30 years ago, at least. As the years roll by I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I don't believe they are looking for a cure. But are instead looking for other ways to treat it. There simply is no long term profits in a cure, but treatments are a different story. They can come up with new treatments every day.

      This maybe just a continuation of this cycle. Now they have one more drug they can get you on. Just another treatment.

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    3. Re:Is there hope? by kwiecmmm · · Score: 1

      I remember when I was a kid they predicted a cure for diabetes at about 5 years. This was 30 years ago, at least. As the years roll by I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I don't believe they are looking for a cure. But are instead looking for other ways to treat it. There simply is no long term profits in a cure, but treatments are a different story. They can come up with new treatments every day.

      While I understand the feeling, I think there are plenty of decent scientists out there with a personal stake in finding a cure. Also, while this may hold true for drug companies, pharmacies and some doctors, the insurance companies would rather that everyone was cured. So while there are profits in treatment, there is also profit in a cure as well.

    4. Re:Is there hope? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, one reassuring thing is the willingness of corporations to strangle the golden goose for short term profits. They totally would put out a cure and destroy a billion dollar a year market for short term profit.

    5. Re:Is there hope? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      It just is that actual breakthroughs like the one needed here require a lot of time. 50-80 years from first successful lab demo to actually reliably working general deployment are quite standard in the history of science and technology. They are indeed closer, but they still need quite a bit of time.

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    6. Re:Is there hope? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      It's also well worth a Nobel prize and the gratitude of millions of people worldwide.

    7. Re:Is there hope? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I posted the list of known side effects here. There is NO way that I'm swapping 4 shots a day for this. It's not like the shots are all that bad - it's the glucose monitoring that's the pain. If a dog can sniff my blood sugar level, why can't we have a non-invasive glucometer?

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  19. Re:What's the name of the drug? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah. Before insulin was discovered, Type I diabetes was a death sentence.

    You would effectively starve to death within a year of symptoms showing up, regardless of how much you ate. (IIRC, actual starvation could prevent/slow the progress in some way)

    However, once you've been on insulin therapy for a while, eventually you'll be in trouble within hours of insulin becoming insufficient. (An especially big problem for pump users - people using long-acting insulins like Lantus probably will have 1-2 days before they're in serious trouble after stopping administration of insulin.)

    This reminds me of rumors of studies a decade or so ago involving administering long-acting insulin to diabetics in their "honeymoon period" (After diagnosis and starting insulin therapy, in many cases a diabetic's requirements for injected insulin will drop to near zero after not too long, but this only lasts for a few months after it starts) - reducing load on the pancreas seemed to prolong the period, allowing them to rely on their pancreas to handle meals and such.

    Of interest is the "52 people between the ages of 19 and 45 that have received a diagnosis of type 1 diabetes within the previous three months" - That's a VERY rare category of people. The most interesting is that 3 months is typically within that "honeymoon period". Diagnosis of Type I diabetes that late in life is very uncommon (which is why Type I is often called juvenile diabetes). There's also the fact that this might be far less effective on diabetics who have had the disease for years, who basically have no remaining beta cells. (In most cases, Type I diabetes in mice is artificially induced - in humans the root cause is that the immune system attacks beta cells, however, this might allow at least some of the cells to survive the onslaught by preventing a failcascade due to the cells being overworked.)

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  20. Re:What's the name of the drug? by eneville · · Score: 1

    Yes, that's not healthy if you're diabetic. The opposite, having a high blood sugar for too long will cause major issues, blindness, gangrene etc.

  21. Re:The food pyramid screws you up and then... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    How does the food pyramid exactly cause type I diabetes?

  22. New trial required? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why not just find a bunch of diabetics with HBP who have been taking this drug and see if they really still have diabetes?

  23. Re:What's the name of the drug? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    TFA states this is for type 1.

  24. Re:What's the name of the drug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    20 year Type 1 diabetic (LADA) here.

    In short, the first poster didn't read the article and reflects the common level of ignorance on this topic.

    There is more than 2 types of diabetes,

    A lot of what is considered type 1 diabetes is a constellation of diseases that have a complicated relationship with blood sugar levels, beta cell death and the immune system.

    What is normally called "type 1 diabetes" occurs at birth and is an immune system defect that shares a mechanism in common with other auto immune diseases which include:

    1- Rheumatoid Arthritis
    2- Multiple Sclerosis
    3- Scleroderma
    4- Ulcerative Colitis
    5- sjogren's syndrome

    The above diseases along with "vanilla Type 1 diabetes" can happen to anyone and are not caused by any lifestyle choice.
    There is another clinical trial using adjuvant therapy to reverse type 1 diabetes using a drug that has been in common use to inoculate against tuberculosis and to treat bladder cancer (one of the most curable cancers) since the 1920s. The drug is cheap and would be a game changer for the above diseases once the dosing schedule is worked out to reverse the auto-immune component of the disease.

    There is another type of "type 1 diabetes" that occurs in adolescence and early adulthood that is very similar but has characteristics in common with type 2 diabetes:
    this is normally referred to as "Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adults" or LADA
    There is an autoimmune component, type 2 diabetes drugs that increase insulin sensitivity can help in early onset, but not enough to stop the patient from having to eventually inject insulin in order to survive. In a lot of cases doctors will prescribe insulin therapy and type 2 diabetes drugs such as Metformin to reduce insulin resistance and deal with some of the dangerous effects of such a disease on the body (kidney, retina, nerve and cardiovascular damage) that can be caused by chronic fluctuating blood sugar levels. The drug being investigated here (in the article) would probably be targeted at LADA, as it does not appear to address the auto-immune component of this type of diabetes. This still leaves out the problem of the auto-immune attack on the beta cells, so it would not be a cure, most likely but just another treatment that can save some beta cells.

    type 2 diabetes is a complex issue and can be caused by lifestyle, but also can manifest due to infections, Liver disfunction, And,believe it or not an overactive pancreas that secretes too much insulin over time causing a situation of fatty liver, high cholesterol, heart disease and eventually the other issues due to high blood sugar.

    I actually had a boss who, when I had hypoglycemia, walked up and snatched some of my emergency glucose treatment, out of my hand and gave me a self righteous attitude "You're eating candy! that is Why you have diabetes!" and he totally didn't understand when I filed a HR complaint against him and schooled him that,

    1- My blood sugar was low
    2- I take care of my disease and he is NOT educated on MY situation
    and
    3- He almost got punched in the face (I would have pleaded temporary insanity, per the twinkie defense)
    4- My diet, diet decisions and my food are NONE of his BUSINESS!

    There is SO much bad information out there concerning type 1 diabetes and so many ignorant individuals who just have no clue what is going on with this disease that get self righteous (Based on their little cartoon model of the world) about stuff they know nothing about.

    I have spent 20 years studying how to manage this disease out of a grave necessity to do so to facilitate my survival.

    People freak out when they find out that I workout 3 times a week, weight training and running.( I still can run a 5 minute mile at age 41!)
    They also give me attitude when they find out that, due to my high metabolism, I eat every 2 hours (yes I eat 8 meals a day) and consume close to 4000 calories a day. I have to do this to maintain a healthy BMI with my lifestyle activity (I am a

  25. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And, I hope you are NEVER my nurse!!!

    Go back to class and learn that Type 2 is not caused just by diet, but by metabolism and genetics and a funny thing called insulin resistance.

    I exercise every day, watch my diet, take medications for my Type 2 and STILL the A1C (and weight) keeps creeping up. It is a progressive disease which has some nasty effects on the body. I am wondering when I will be required to take insulin injections as goto drugs like Janumet and Metformin don't get the job done anymore.

    Now, go sign up for that continuing education class so you can learn about the disease instead of remaining ignorant about this disease.

  26. Re:US Gov't Corn Subsides by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hell, the fact that we're using corn-based ethanol at all is probably due in large part to the subsidies - there are far more efficient crops to produce ethanol from, even if a lot of them don't grow well in much of the US (sugar cane leaps to mind)

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  27. Re:now by tehlinux · · Score: 1

    Yeah, can you buy verapamil on silk road 2.0? Oh wait...

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  28. Re:What's the name of the drug? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    maybe it's the weight gain that leads to the hunger! (IE, due to hyperinsulemia the energy consumed is being partitioned to the fat cells, rather than being available for the rest of the body to use -- thus the constant hunger, despite eating more than enough calories)

  29. Re:What's the name of the drug? by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Diabetes mellitus type 1 (also known as type 1 diabetes, or T1DM; formerly insulin-dependent diabetes or juvenile diabetes) is a form of diabetes mellitus that results from the autoimmune destruction of the insulin-producing beta cells in the pancreas. Diabetes mellitus type 1

    Definitions change over time and new and more accurate diagnostic tests make assumptions of the past irrelevent. People often develope many auto-immune diseases later in life, the same thing in diabetes shouldn't be too surprising, likely many type I were confused with type IIs in the past simply because we didn't have tests to accurately differentiate them.

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  30. Re:What's the name of the drug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    fixing one of the feedback loops goes a long way to fixing type2 diabetes as well. All the pithy remarks doesn't help if your body is screaming at you "eat something damnit!!!" and starts undergoing the same sicknesses exhibited by starvation.

  31. Re:What's the name of the drug? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    maybe it's the weight gain that leads to the hunger! (IE, due to hyperinsulemia the energy consumed is being partitioned to the fat cells, rather than being available for the rest of the body to use -- thus the constant hunger, despite eating more than enough calories)

    Imagine being a heroine addict. Then imagine having to quit your addiction while there's a heroin vending machine 30feet from your desk that accepts quarters. That's the situation people with this disease are in.

  32. Re:What's the name of the drug? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

    I'm addicted to heroines too, my favorite is Elsa.

    (kidding.) Yes, I know the feeling. Mom: diabetic, Sister: diabetic. Grandparents: diabetic. Me:pre-diabetic.

    Zero carb dieting is the only thing that alleviates the constant panicky cravings for food when the hypoglycemia hits.

  33. Re:What's the name of the drug? by sjames · · Score: 2

    Of interest is the "52 people between the ages of 19 and 45 that have received a diagnosis of type 1 diabetes within the previous three months"

    I imagine minors are excluded based on the many legal issues of research on minors rather than an expectation that it can't work on younger patients.

  34. Re:What's the name of the drug? by sjames · · Score: 1

    Actually, it can be even worse. Unlike heroine addicts who can (from a medical standpoint) choose never to self-inject anything again, type II diabetics don't have the option of just not eating anything ever again.

  35. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and obesity can increase insulin resistance.

    as much as type 2's want to deny it, obesity is very much linked to their disease. increased insulin resistance due to obesity can make it progress faster and exhibit symptoms of diabetes sooner. you are right, by itself, obesity is not the cause but there is still a correlation to obesity.

    i am type 1. we also have to watch for insulin resistance. everyone also seems to think we are type 2's.

  36. What do you think of Dr. Fuhrman's approach? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2

    https://www.drfuhrman.com/dise...
    https://www.drfuhrman.com/libr...
    "Treating Type 1, Type 2, and Gestational Diabetes with Superior Nutrition ... With proper care, a type 1 diabetic can live a long and healthy life, with almost no risk of heart attack, stroke, or complications. Type 1 diabetics need not feel doomed to a life of medical disasters and a possible early death. With a truly health-supporting Nutritarian lifestyle, even the Type 1 diabetic can have the potential for a disease-free life and a better than average life expectancy. I find that when Type 1 diabetics adopt my high-nutrient dietary approach, they reduce their insulin requirements by at least one half. They protect their body against the heart attack promoting effects of the American diet style. They no longer have swings of highs and lows, their weight remains stable, and their glucose levels and lipids stay under excellent control. Even though the Type 1 diabetic will still require exogenous (external) insulin, they will no longer need excessive amounts of it. Remember, it is not the Type 1 diabetes that is so damaging, it is the SAD, the typical dietary advice given to Type 1s and the excessive amounts of insulin required by the SAD that are so harmful. It is simply essential for all Type 1 diabetics to learn and adopt nutritional excellence; they can use much less insulin, achieve a normal, healthy lifespan and dramatically reduce their risk of complications later in life."

    An important aspect is getting enough micronutrients and fiber, which were not mentioned in your post (but you may well do).

    He also has a book out on it:
    http://www.drfuhrman.com/shop/...
    "This New York Times best seller offers a scientifically proven, practical program to prevent and reverse [type 2] diabetes -- without drugs. Diabetes does not have to shorten your life span or result in high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney failure, blindness or other life-threatening ailments. In fact, most type 2 diabetics can get off medication and become 100 percent healthy in just a few simple steps. This book offers no compromises, it is the most aggressive and effective approach to reverse obesity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and heart disease; which typically accompany type 2 diabetes. The information about Type 1 diabetes is simply life saving. It is a must read for every diabetic, as well as any nutritionally-aware person wanting to understand the failure of conventional medical care for diabetic treatments and the "no-brainer" of using nutritional excellence, not drugs."

    Another aspect of this may be gut bacteria. You don't drink diet soda by any chance?
    http://www.prevention.com/heal...
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesa...

    Ongoing research on vitamin D deficiency and diabetes:
    http://www.nih.gov/news/health...

    BTW, in general, I've heard that exercise, while good for our health, does not help with weight loss because we just eat more afterwards to make up for it. What controls weight in the long term is what we eat, especially micronutrients and fiber, but also good fats and some other things.

    Anyway, thanks for the informative post! Glad you found an approach that works for you. Good luck. I helped manage my mother's diabetes for a time (including for a time after my father died giving her injections three times a day and monitoring blood glucose with finger sticks four times a day) and it was not easy (she had dementia and could not do it herself, and even denied she had diabetes sometimes). As you point ou

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  37. True-ish, but modded flamebait. Here's more on it: by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    "Get rid of corn subsidies and watch your obesity/diabestes epidemic grind to a halt."

    http://www.seriouseats.com/200...
    "The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine has posted an easy-to-understand visual on its site that shows which foods U.S. tax dollars go to support under the nation's farm bill. It's titled "Why Does a Salad Cost More Than a Big Mac?" and depicts two pyramids -- subsidized foods and the old recommended food pyramid. It's interesting to note that the two are almost inversely proportional to each other."

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  38. Re:US Gov't Corn Subsides & slashdot conservat by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Slashdot may usually be progressive technologically (sometimes even too progressive in some ways), but it can be backward/conservative in other ways (especially regurgitating mainstream medicine's party line, which is why your amusing-to-me over-generalization got modded flamebait). Obviously, there is still a lot of variety here, so this is just an observation on trends...

    A couple things on that tangent:
    http://www.disciplined-minds.c...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09...
    "They say they believe in freedom and share our values. They say a few bad apples shouldn't bring down judgment on their entire kind. Don't be fooled. Though they walk among us with impunity, they are, in the words of Henry Farrell, a political scientist at George Washington University, "a group that is notoriously associated with terrorist violence and fundamentalist political beliefs."
    They are engineers.
    Farrell, of course, was kidding. He posted that comment on a blog shortly after Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (confessed Al Qaeda operative and engineering student) tried to blow up an airliner over Detroit last winter. But the satire was rooted in a statistical fact: in the ranks of captured and confessed terrorists, engineers and engineering students are significantly overrepresented. Maybe that's a numerological accident. The sociologist Diego Gambetta and the political scientist Steffen Hertog don't think so. ...
    Gambetta and Hertog found engineers only in right-wing groups -- the ones that claim to fight for the pious past of Islamic fundamentalists or the white-supremacy America of the Aryan Nations (founder: Richard Butler, engineer) or the minimal pre-modern U.S. government that Stack and Bedell extolled.
    Among Communists, anarchists and other groups whose shining ideal lies in the future, the researchers found almost no engineers. Yet these organizations mastered the same technical skills as the right-wingers. Between 1970 and 1978, for instance, the Baader-Meinhof gang in Germany staged kidnappings, assassinations, bank robberies and bombings. Seventeen of its members had college or graduate degrees, mostly in law or the humanities. Not one studied engineering.
    The engineer mind-set, Gambetta and Hertog suggest, might be a mix of emotional conservatism and intellectual habits that prefers clear answers to ambiguous questions -- "the combination of a sharp mind with a loyal acceptance of authority." Do people become engineers because they are this way? Or does engineering work shape them? Itâ(TM)s probably a feedback loop of both, Gambetta says. ..."

    Much of medicine is filled with ambiguity (if you ignore nutritional missteps being at the root of much chronic disease that plays out in a variety of different symptoms). Much of the rest of disease is related to lifestyle or environment (e.g. leaded gas causing the past few decades of increasing crime, now dropping as leaded gas has been banned). As Dr. Fuhrman says, genes may give us weak links, but whether they get pulled on to the breaking point is a function of diet and lifestyle and environment. That is not the sort of thing engineers are going to like to here... They want a quick answer prescribed by an authority like a drug. Dr. Fuhrman calls prescriptions for drugs like blood pressure medicine or diabetes-related medicines for type II diabetics as "permission slips" by authority to continue with current bad behavior regarding diet, lifestyle, and environment. Likewise, getting the label of "bad genes" is another permission slip for misbehavior... Not saying some people don't get dealt a much worse hand of cards in terms of genes, family habits, and environment than others... Still, consider how so much of life is what we make of it:
    "An Afternoon with comedian Brett Leake '82"

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  39. Re:The food pyramid screws you up and then... by armanox · · Score: 1

    I am extremely aware of the post-transplant requirements and complications, as my father was post-transplant (kidney and pancreas) and towards the end of his life I was one of his main caregivers.

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  40. Re:Idiots. by sjames · · Score: 1

    Speaking of idiots...

    Diet has a 0% cure rate for type I (which they are talking about) and isn't nearly as effective as you seem to think for type II.

  41. Theory by DrYak · · Score: 2

    You would effectively starve to death within a year of symptoms showing up, regardless of how much you ate. (IIRC, actual starvation could prevent/slow the progress in some way)

    Well from a purely theoretical point of view:
    it could be possible to survive on a low-carb diet, eating only proteins and fats and avoiding sugar completely.
    Basically, eating only steak and salad, never bread.
    (The kind of diet that bodybuilders use).

    In that situation the body obtains most of its energy by burning fat and maintains blood sugar levels by gluconeogenesis.
    (This metabolic regime consumes some proteins, hence the increase need of meat to avoid starvation).

    But it's complicated to get correctly.
    Compensating the Type 1's lack of insulin is much simpler.

    That's what some think early human diet looked like before agriculture (the theory basis behind the paleo diet).
    That's also used by body builders to burn fat (as mentionned above).
    Before insulin that was the only way to keep Type 1 diabetics alive.
    It was also recently been mentionned as a insuline-free alternative treatment. Was mentionned on /. recently.

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    1. Re:Theory by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I had seen it mentioned that in practice, hypoglycemia and death was a possible/probable side effect of that diet.

  42. Re:The food pyramid screws you up and then... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    It does not. It causes type II.

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  43. Re:Type 1 Diabetes, geniuses by gweihir · · Score: 1

    This is slashdot. Functional illiteracy here is even higher than in the general population, and there are a lot of extreme Dunning-Kruger cases here.

    This is not a new effect, though:

        Whenever an obviously well founded statement is made... by a person specially
        well acquainted with the facts, that unlucky person is instantly and
        frantically contradicted by all the people who obviously know nothing about
        it. – George Bernard Shaw

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  44. Is there a cure? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Can there be a real cure for diabetes? The glucose eaten can only have a few destinations:

    • 1. Get burnt,but obviously the limitation is how much physical activity the subject has
    • 2. Glycogene storage, which is limited
    • 3. Fat storage, almost unlimited
    • 4. Stay in blood for the kidney to remove it, this is diabetes

    What can we expect from a drug? Moving more glucose to fat storage? It is better than diabetes, but still much less desirable result than eating less carbs..

  45. Re:Predated by Dr. Faustmann's work with BCG vacci by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    They say that the effect was transient. Are you really going to inject yourself with BCG vaccine for the rest of your life?

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  46. Re:What's the name of the drug? by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

    This drug treats a specific cause of Type-1 diabetes (inability to produce enough insulin). Type-1 accounts for about 5-10% of diabetes diagnoses and is not preventable. Type-2 is the other type, where the body can't properly use the insulin (also called insulin resistance). Type-2 can be usually be prevented or delayed with a healthy lifestyle, including maintaining a healthy weight, eating sensibly, and exercising regularly.

  47. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Genetic predisposition, with environmental triggers is how I've seen it described. I'm already 10 years past my father's diagnosis of diabetes. But he was an overweight alcoholic. HFCS is a red herring. Yes, everyone with it was exposed a lot. 100% also drank milk or formula as a baby.

  48. Re:The food pyramid screws you up and then... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    It doesn't even do that.

  49. Re:Idiots. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    What myth?

  50. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Zenin · · Score: 1

    We get it, you're just "big boned", it's not your fault.

    Thankfully your faulty genes also greatly reduce your likelihood of reproducing, reducing the burden on future generations of both your medical and mental genetic weaknesses. In many ways Type 2 is a self-correcting condition...it'll just takes a few generations to make a substantial correction.

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  51. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

    The first thing they teach you is to watch your diet and to exercise and monitor your glucose levels. When that approach fails, what other cause is there?

    The fact that YOU have patients that continue to eat poorly and don't exercise is not an environment thing - it's laziness or they are simply tired of nothing working and have a nurse that doesn't understand their disease but pretends they do. I bet you probably smoke also, right?

    Show me the "environmental" factors that can cause Type 2 to flair up. I exhibited no symptoms when I was 160 pounds at age 21. I am 6 ft 1. I fought semi-professionally, cycled, rock-climbed and ran long distance (trained for marathons). I developed the disease regardless. The only mitigating factor is that for four years, I led a more sedentary life onboard a navy ship where I couldn't do all that and performed the equivalent of shift work. Still it was another 20 years, after I got out, before I was diagnosed. I had regained a more active lifestyle.

    The only extraordinary environmental factors that I was exposed to might be nerve agents, depleted uranium and experimental vaccines during Desert Storm. When you can drop down 20 pounds in the first several months, monitor and control caloric intake, increase activity only to have it go back up a few months later? Let me tell you, pal, it's a pisser. And, it's not diet as you indicate.

    Short of sucking out the fat cells, there is little anyone can do to stop regaining the weight as the glucose that is not processed by the cells go straight to the fat cells and keep flooding the body with more glucose. So, yes, obesity and Type 2 go hand in hand caused by the cell's inability to utilize the insulin it produces - it's a Catch-22 type scenario called "insulin resistance".

    As somebody else pointed out, Type 1's on insulin can develop it also. Prior to insulin injections, these folks would just waste away. Now, they can have the benefits of both type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Lucky them.

  52. Re:What's the name of the drug? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Prevented my ass. It can be delayed at best. I have several people with Type-2 in my family and most of them never were fat to begin with and did a lot of physical exercise. Also it is possible to get diabetic from viral, bacterial, fungal, or parasitic induced diseases which cause pancreatitis.

  53. Re:What's the name of the drug? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure it is worse than that. The feeling of starvation is an extreme motivator.

  54. Re:What's the name of the drug? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    "One thing about diabetics - we are expensive."

    And this is the reason why we do not have a cure yet. Treating the disease is orders of magnitude more profitable than a cure.

  55. Re: US Gov't Corn Subsides by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    I'll agree, they are directly linked, but you have the cause and effect backwards. Insulin resistance causes you to get fat.

  56. Re:US Gov't Corn Subsides by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    Personally I have never met a vegan who could be considered even remotely healthy. Hell, most of the vegetarians I have met have been rather unhealthy.

    Face it, the human body evolved to eat primarily meat, some fruit and vegetables, and not bread. Unfortunately bread is delicious.