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Profanity-Laced Academic Paper Exposes Scam Journal

Frosty P writes: A scientific paper titled "Get Me Off Your F****** Mailing List" was actually accepted by the International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology. As reported at Vox and other web sites, the journal, despite its distinguished name, is a predatory open-access journal. These sorts of low-quality journals spam thousands of scientists, offering to publish their work for a fee. In 2005, computer scientists David Mazières and Eddie Kohler created this highly profane ten-page paper as a joke, to send in replying to unwanted conference invitations. It literally just contains that seven-word phrase over and over, along with a nice flow chart and scatter-plot graph. More recently, computer scientist Peter Vamplew sent it to the IJACT in response to spam from the journal, and the paper was automatically accepted with an anonymous reviewer rating it as "excellent," and requested a fee of $150. Over the years, the number of these predatory journals has exploded. Jeffrey Beall, a librarian at the University of Colorado, keeps an up-to-date list of them to help researchers avoid being taken in; it currently has 550 publishers and journals on it."

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  1. The Source Document by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course I didn't use the word "F******" in my submission, but I suppose Slashdot must be couth.

    Anyway, here's a link to the actual paper (warning: PDF) - http://www.scs.stanford.edu/~d...

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    1. Re:The Source Document by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      And dig! They're afraid to post your full nick...

      Which can be confusing since "Frosty Piss" is my actual name that I use when publishing all my papers, but "Frosty P" is the name I use when I'm scratching rare vinyl at the clubs - I know most dj's just queue it up in their MacBooks, but I'm old school.

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    2. Re:The Source Document by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Nice flowchart. I like how diagrams the structure clearly. With such clean diagrams, I understand why it got accepted.

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    3. Re:The Source Document by alvinrod · · Score: 1
      Remind's me of a similar case where a physics professor submitted what amounted to meaningless expressions or general nonsense to a journal. You can read the article in question if you're interested. It has some rather funny bits and some humor sprinkled in occasionally:

      Mathematically, Einstein breaks with the tradition dating back to Euclid (and which is inflicted on high-school students even today!), and employs instead the non-Euclidean geometry developed by Riemann. Einstein's equations are highly nonlinear, which is why traditionally-trained mathematicians find them so difficult to solve.

      In the 1980's a very different approach, known as string theory, became popular: here the fundamental constituents of matter are not point-like particles but rather tiny (Planck-scale) closed and open strings. In this theory, the space-time manifold does not exist as an objective physical reality; rather, space-time is a derived concept, an approximation valid only on large length scales (where ``large'' means ``much larger than 10^-33 centimeters''!).

      As Althusser rightly commented, ``Lacan finally gives Freud's thinking the scientific concepts that it requires''. More recently, Lacan's topologie du sujet has been applied fruitfully to cinema criticism and to the psychoanalysis of AIDS. In mathematical terms, Lacan is here pointing out that the first homology group of the sphere is trivial, while those of the other surfaces are profound; and this homology is linked with the connectedness or disconnectedness of the surface after one or more cuts.

    4. Re:The Source Document by rmstar · · Score: 1

      Of course I didn't use the word "F******" in my submission, but I suppose Slashdot must be couth.

      I hope you don't come to regret your bravado.

      Not because there will be any retaliation (they don't give half a rat's ass, as you very clearly demonstrated) but because what you did was the proverbial wrestling with pigs - with the inevitable result of ending up covered in shit. Now you stand there, and it is not unlikely that people will remember you first and foremost for publishing a paper filled with foul language in a crap journal.

      And what have you won? Certainly nothing for academia nor for you academic career.

    5. Re:The Source Document by Pablew+Nopl · · Score: 1

      I think it's more likely that people won't remember this at all than it is that they'll remember someone submitting some paper with words some people arbitrarily deem to be bad.

    6. Re:The Source Document by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They're worried about the word "piss"? Heck, piss (or its variant, pisseth) appears at least half a dozen times in the King James Bible.

      Oh well ...

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    7. Re:The Source Document by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I didbn't publish this paper. I submitted the story to Slashdot.

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    8. Re:The Source Document by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the rock-solid references. That is one quality paper!

    9. Re:The Source Document by Wootery · · Score: 2

      You realise Slashdot accounts aren't issued at birth, right?

  2. Not bad, but... by Blrfl · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's no Chicken Chicken Chicken , but it'll do.

    1. Re:Not bad, but... by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just me, but I really want to know what that Chicken vs Chicken plot actually is. Also the more I look at that paper, the more I think "is that really how chicken is spelt?" - it just doesn't look correct when written so many times.

    2. Re:Not bad, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks. I had never read the actual paper before, only seen the presentation.

    3. Re:Not bad, but... by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      This is just wonderful. I've had a crappy day (literally, my sewer line backed up). Just got cleaned up and found this. All is well.

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    4. Re:Not bad, but... by steveha · · Score: 1
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  3. Predatory? by jamesl · · Score: 1

    Over the years, the number of these predatory journals has exploded.

    If the journal is the predator, who or what is the prey? Pray tell.

    1. Re:Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      Those who write the documents, clearly as indicated in TFS.

      I have been approached myself by several journals, all of which I have rejected because they ALL wanted ME to pay THEM to publish my work. I would sooner give it away than pay(!?) to have it published, particularly given the subject matter of my most important research into the trafficking of foreign children by the British State.

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    2. Re:Predatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The prey are the authors who want to get published, and are willing to pay money to do so.

      If you even bothered to read the summary, that would have become obvious.

    3. Re:Predatory? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      the trafficking of foreign children by the British State

      Historical, or contemporary?

      Linky?

    4. Re:Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      it's very much a current issue: https://www.academia.edu/57099... (I'm listed as report drafting, I basically did the analysis) [PDF].

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    5. Re:Predatory? by will_die · · Score: 1

      It does not sound like the prey are those that write the documents but those people the authors are using the published articles for some form of benefit.

    6. Re:Predatory? by the+phantom · · Score: 1

      While I agree that there are predatory journals out there and that authors need to be wary of them, I am not entirely sure that requiring authors to pay for publication is quite the correct criterion for determining whether or not a journal is predatory. Peer review, editing, and publication cost money. Traditionally, this cost is paid by subscribers to the journal, and these subscriptions can often be quite expensive (consider how Elsevier prices its journals). If the goal is to disseminate information, then an extremely costly subscription service is very likely detrimental to that goal. Hence the existence of open access journals which charge authors for publication but provide access to the material at no cost.

    7. Re:Predatory? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Dumb researchers they can bilk publishing fees out of.

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    8. Re:Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      The current trend is through adclicks. The content is a side dish, like GMail, G+, Google Search, OK Google and Facebook Newsfeed. The real content as far as the likes of Zuckerberg and Google's shareholders are concerned, is the ad space. The actual user data, however it is used or not by the respective companies, is merely a means to a targetted end.

      For THE definitive demonstration of this in action, check Million Dollar Script. This was a social experiment, covered on Slashdot in September 2005, to sell a million pixels for advertising space for a Dollar each. It made Alex Tew VERY rich literally overnight.

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    9. Re: Predatory? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Whenever I see the juxtaposition "predatory scientific journals", I'm immediately reminded of the unforgettable Monty Python archeology sketch.

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    10. Re:Predatory? by Livius · · Score: 1

      The one who has less money at the end.

    11. Re: Predatory? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      It is a fair point that generally kids are taken in to care due to unfit parents, but that is not the purpose of the paper is it?

      The UK signed the Convention in 1964. Signatories have the following duty, without exception, under Article 37 (b) of the Vienna Convention of Consular Relations 1963: Article 37 (b):
      âoeIf the relevant information is available to the competent authorities of the receiving State, such authorities shall have the duty:
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        to inform the competent consular post without delay of any case where the appointment of a guardian or trustee appears to be in the interests of a minor or other person lacking full capacity who is a national of the sending State.â

      Thats pretty clear, if you take a kid into care you are obligated to inform the consol for that childs country that you are doing so. The Consol may or may not intervine but they should be informed.

      while you do get circumstances where parents are unfit, there are also cases where familys have been made homeless after losing jobs and having no recourse to public funds have ended up on the streets and the kids have been taken in to care.

      Consul assistance could be quite essential to the outcome of such cases even if it is limited to informing family back home or enabling assistance from ex pats within communities in the UK. From providing some sort of housing maybe even the use of a spare room or help returning home. It depends on the case and the nationality and circumstances as to what can be done.

      While some consuls will not lift a finger to help while others will but without being informed they can do nothing
      at all and the UK has obligations under the Vienna Convention of Consular Relations 1963.

      Going by the numbers of children affected this report should be noted and acted upon.

       

    12. Re: Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      there are 114 countries affected by the research. All 114 Embassies have been made aware of the situation. To date 27 have gotten back to me through personal communications, and so far a grand total of three have stated their intent to bring a case against the British Government through their spokesperson (who will be whoever occupies the centre seat) in the ICC. Those three being Italy, Slovakia and Nigeria.

      Incidentally, London Borough of Haringey have refused to answer the FOI even now, though they have publicly denied having abducted any children, I have first hand witness (me) who can tell you that that is exactly what they have done to the seven children of one family after fraudulently claiming that the parents weren't the biological parents and that they had entered the UK with the intent to sell the children to the sex trade - which was accepted by the judge even in the face of conclusive DNA marker evidence which proved with practically zero margin for error that all seven children were not only biologically the woman's, they were also all biologically the man's. Three of those children have disappeared, one of whom has actually disappeared without trace within hours of her birth, for four years (on the British mainland and last seen in the company of four social workers and six armed police officers in a hospital maternity unit) and counting.

      By the way, AC: the information is a matter of public record since the raw data was gathered by way of Freedom of Information enquiries (which would have been made clear to you had you actually bothered to read the report instead of picking grammatical errors, you probably wouldn't even realise that Mr. Randle-Jolliffe is dyslexic had I not just told you) via the whatdotheyknow website as specified in the report.

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    13. Re: Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I live in England, you twat.

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    14. Re: Predatory? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      London Borough of Haringey ?

      http://www.theguardian.com/soc...

      might be of interest to you, Obviously I don't know about the case you bring up I can believe that the children and parents were shown to be related by DNA although it doesn't mean that automatically disqualifies the child sex trafficking charge.

      You might think that there should be some existing evidence to backup the presumed intent. If the parents were not criminally charged and convicted then it would make the councils grounds for their actions very shakey.

      You seem convinced that the case was groundless and I wish you luck in persuing the matter, maybe there is some chance of involving the investigation of Harringey social services in your case. Its going to be tough for them to be fair especially after the death of a 17 month old child where they didn't do enough after which there must have been an attitude change and a desire to not make any more mistakes.

      good luck with it, I hope it ends well.

      On the positive side those children in care should be safe and fostered and adopted into happy homes, it is there well being that matters above all else.

    15. Re: Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      the family had moved to England for the children to go to school, the parents are both church Ministers (Gloria and Chiwar Musa). LBH, as pretty standard these days, viewed two adults entering the country with six children on shared passports as not normal (I'm thinking why?? Usually when they abduct children they put them down as unaccompanied asylum seeking children - which means THEY DO NOT HAVE PASSPORTS. How easy would it be then to make a child in that situation disappear? Answer: VERY). They fabricated evidence, including claims that the mother was administering drugs to the younger children, in the face of hair test evidence from St. Thomas' *and* Great Ormond Street that showed the contrary (ignored by the judge as was the DNA evidence from GOSH), they then (LBH and GOSH) fabricated psychological reports (none of the family were seen by psychologists yet the parents were labeled as MSbP/FII (a long debunked shot of pseudoscientific bullshit)), and to top that off the entire case was closed-door, in camera and sealed under a D Notice. Including the juryless criminal tribunal that saw Gloria and Chiwar imprisoned on trumped up charges not of sex trafficking but of drugging their children (which had already been proven to be completely and utterly untrue) with the extra bit at sentencing that on release they were to be immediately deported (as in put on the first aircraft out of the country, no arguments).

      Fuck public interest immunity, this shitty behaviour by the judiciary and by local authorities needs to be exposed.

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    16. Re: Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      oh, update: Gloria and Chiwar have been deported.

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    17. Re: Predatory? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      i haven't a clue as to how to proceed , if you can proceed with this.
      I wish you luck and hope you can persevere maybe it can be fought in the european court of human rights, although finding the financial support to do so and a legal procedure that can be applied ...

      good luck and I hope they have some success

    18. Re: Predatory? by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      Right now it's a case of finding an Embassy with the balls to stand up to the UK Government.

      It's like herding cats...

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  4. Re:Beall's list not neutral by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mr. Beall's list has been criticized as being not neutral...

    Not by Science Magazine... From Wikipedia:

    In 2013, Science published the results of a "sting operation" in which a scientifically flawed spoof publication was submitted to open access publications.[11] Many accepted the manuscript, and a disproportionate number of the accepting journals were on Beall's list. The publication, entitled Who's Afraid of Peer Review?, stated that "The results show that Beall is good at spotting publishers with poor quality control: For the publishers on his list that completed the review process, 82% accepted the paper."[11] Beall agreed, saying that the author of the sting, John Bohannon, "basically found what I've been saying for years."

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  5. Random sample from one paper by paiute · · Score: 1

    "The University of Siegen in Germany working in the research and development of an autonomous unmanned ground vehicle (DORIS) project as in figure 1. As it is still a work-in-progress, a problem has been identified in the de- signing and implement a speed control system for DORIS_1 and DORIS_2 where a mechanical transmission and Hydro- static transmission used. An electro hydraulic servo system developed for DORIS_3 [1]." They do not waste monies on grammar the editing.

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    1. Re:Random sample from one paper by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also note the "Editorial Board" for this illustrious publication: http://www.ijact.org/eb.htm

      I suspect that this "journal" not only provides these guys with extra income, but also serves publication destination for their own dubious science papers.

      Of course what keeps these "journals" in business is the fever pitch that academics must publish just to stay relevant in their professional / social strata (and who cares what they publish as long as they do), and their quest for tenure...

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    2. Re:Random sample from one paper by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Your spell-checker ruined the fun or did you not notice that they have an editorial borad?

      Than it should be fine for submission to the above mentioned "journal" as well as many others and Slashdot!

      I'm not trying to tar and feather Indian technologists, I know that the who subject feeds into our US domestic politics and the whole H1-B quagmire. But have a look at the "editorial board" of this and other simular fraudulant "journals, and than remember a recent Slashdot story:

      https://politics.slashdot.org/...

      Over the last 25 years of my adult employment, I've worked with many gifted people from many countries including India, Eastern and Western Europe, and a fair number stereotypical North American bone heads. But things seemed to have changed in the last few years We lost all of our Blue Collar jobs the NAFTA (thanks, Bill Clinton), and we are now losing all of our white collar jobs. Soon we will all be Wal-Mart greeters or asking if you want fries with that. Of course, pumping gas went away except in a few states years ago.

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    3. Re:Random sample from one paper by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Your spell-checker ruined the fun or did you not notice that they have an editorial borad?

      I would be much more supportive of an Editorial Borat.

    4. Re:Random sample from one paper by weilawei · · Score: 1

      That's no fun; I'm going to build my own journal! With blackjack and editorial broads! In fact, forget the journal and the blackjack! Ah, screw the whole thing...

    5. Re:Random sample from one paper by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      I have not been keeping up with video games. What can you tell me about Quest For Tenure?

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  6. AGW? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this is where all the anti, and all the pro AGW "studies" are done

    What I mean is has anyone actually sourced out all the sources on both sides of the isle? does one side use these shady journals to "prove" the other side wrong? Do both do it? or do the studies we get side come from mostly reputable sources

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  7. Re:There must be a way to get revenge... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    poison their databases with crapfloods of bogus documents much as the submitter did. One the pollution reaches a certain threshold, mentality will reach the dizzying heights of the anti-Torrent crowd who claim that Torrents are only used for pirating movies and the journal will make the list of "avoid this shithole, it's full of literal nonsense" sites.

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  8. Chicken chicken chicken, chicken! by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    Thank you for that! I haven't laughed like this at an academic paper in, well, a really blooming long time.

    And as a bonus, I've given the folks here at the coffee shop something to stare at. :)

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    1. Re:Chicken chicken chicken, chicken! by Kojiro+Ganryu+Sasaki · · Score: 1

      What?

  9. Re:A plus by lgw · · Score: 1

    Nice job. At first I thought the references at the end of the paper weren't used, but upon closer examination they were cited within the paper.

    If I were in Academia, I'd be looking for the slightest excuse to cite this paper at every opportunity!

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  10. There are two problems here... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    There are two problems with the situation, one is easy to solve and the other less so.

    The first problem is that occasionally researchers (usually junior) will submit actual meaningful work to these journals, likely driven at least in part by the exceptionally low publication charge. Publishing in a top-tier journal is expensive, and even the reputable open-access journals (such as PLoS ONE) can easily be over $1000 to publish. As junior researchers don't have the larger budgets of their senior colleagues they may be tempted to try this route. The solution to this is of course to encourage these people to shy away from the "cheap" open access journals like this one and if need be seek out assistance in covering page costs in reputable journals instead.

    The second problem is the volume of garbage traffic that these rags generate. Trying to auto-junk their email with spam filters is not necessarily wise as it could end up decreasing the overall signal-to-noise ratio of said filters and hence increase the false positive rate. These guys excel at hitting just the right mark of spaminess. You could of course try to just blacklist the from addresses but with the rate at which they register new domain names that is a losing battle as well. Then there is also the deluge of invitations to crappy conferences that they send out as well to untold thousands of unsuspecting victims. You can't really win this one, and they aren't breaking any laws either so you can't turn the authorities against them.

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    1. Re:There are two problems here... by davydagger · · Score: 1
      I think the solution is a FOSS(Free Open Source Science) journal. Moderated by a community, for the benefit of the community.

      After vicious attacks by the outside world against FOSS, I think its time we demand the new standard for all learned fields that describe scientific, engineered, and otherwise proccess oriented objective knowledge, to be Free.

      We could have an organization like debian, that instead of publishing a distribution of other people's software, publishes an online journal, of other people's papers. Run, and reviewed in the same manner.

    2. Re:There are two problems here... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      And how would you fund that?

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    3. Re:There are two problems here... by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      I am a staff engineer at a university, so I receive most all the spam that is sent to the university's professors. I get many invitations to conferences. I assume that most, if not all, of them are bogus, since I'm not a researcher and most of them are for fields that I don't work in.

      When I have looked into one or two of them out of curiosity, I went down a rabbit hole of internet weirdness (SEO, lack of citations, etc.)

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    4. Re:There are two problems here... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      We could have an organization like debian, that instead of publishing a distribution of other people's software, publishes an online journal, of other people's papers. Run, and reviewed in the same manner.

      That is a great idea. The problem though is that it takes money to do it. You need editors to review the papers. You need a web page that can handle traffic for distributing the papers. You need a physical space to store the hardware. You need a communication system for editors and reviewers to communicate with authors and with each other.

      Even if a faculty member at a research university were to propose to do this, they would still need to dedicate money from their grant or their salary to fund it. Universities charge faculty for physical space, for internet access, for hardware, for electricity, for security, etc. Even if you push the hosting out to a cloud service that is only a small part of the cost. A lot of universities are also increasing the precision to which they track faculty time (both during the "regular" 8am-7pm work day and beyond) which means they would crack down on faculty who were spending time working on such a project if it was beyond the scope of their established funding.

      I would love to see someone propose a solution to those problems. Don't get me wrong, I wish that publishing costs were lower for the legitimate academic journals, but I'm not sure how to lower those costs. I've published research articles in a variety of different formats and I know their costs to the PI.

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  11. Re:There must be a way to get revenge... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    I think it unlikely that they'll simply ditch papers that don't get paid for (maybe they keep hold of them and wait till one hits the big time and file a vexatious copyright claim or something equally as likely but equally as improbable), which means that they have to be a. stored on a database and b. referred to in an abstract form somewhere, like an academic website or a nerds newsboard, to lend weight to whatever claim they think they might have.

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  12. Blown their impact factor by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Now they're going to put this esteemed journal out of business and their paper will never receive the sort of impact factor needed for tenure.

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  13. Uh-oh by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    So, you're telling me the $300 I paid to the Journal of Experimental Onanism to publish my findings was a waste of money?

    Damn. I've already printed up my CV and that paper is at the top of my list of publications. I suppose I should have been suspicious when I saw that the editors that were assigned to peer review my paper were Jack Meihoff and Richard Gazinya.

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  14. Reject by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 1

    As a reviewer, I would have rejected the paper because I don't see where either of the references given are cited in the text. However, they would get a point for being up-to-date in citing RFC2821 rather than RFC 821.

    1. Re:Reject by sk999 · · Score: 1

      The references are cited in the text on p. 2 - look for [1] and [2].

      However, good catch r.e. the RFCs. That must be the reason the paper was accepted. This journal doesn't let just anything in.

  15. Re: They must have some really low standards by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Obviously, they're using the advanced computer technology to do reviews for them.

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  16. Re: They must have some really low standards by s.petry · · Score: 1

    If you are assuming a completely new definition for the word "advanced" I agree. I picture poo flinging monkeys landing a steamer on a button for the submission process.

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  17. one of my favorites by cstacy · · Score: 1
  18. Happens in Engineering All the Time... by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

    Behold the Turbo Encabulator

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  19. so what? by silfen · · Score: 1

    There are sham politicians, sham journalists, sham non-open-access-journals, sham universities, sham scientists, even sham-poo. Why shouldn't there be sham-open-access-journals? What are these people trying to prove?

    1. Re:so what? by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Sham poo for my real friends, Real poo for my sham friends.

  20. Re:They must have some really low standards by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny
    And there's your explanation:

    This includes blind review by three or more members of the international editorial review board

    Possible "failure modes":

    1. Blind review: The reviewers are blind, so as long as the paper passes the "sniff test" ...
    2. International editorial review board: Their first, second, whatever languages aren't english ...

    Obviously a scam, though I want to know - did he mange to get off their mailing list?

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  21. Re:You aren't paying attention. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    In other words, it's the old vanity press / subsidy press scam.

    Or those "poetry contests" where you (and many other suckers) "win" and now have to shell out big bux for a book of crappy poetry that you couldn't pay people to read.

    Of course, that's where their review process fails - even they can't pay a real editor to read the submissions. Hmm ... where have I heard that before ....

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  22. two people? by PhoenixBurn · · Score: 1

    It took two computer scientists to write up this document? I fear for the future

  23. Vulgarity, not Profanity by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The paper isn't mis-using religious concepts or entities or terminology for secular and negative purposes, it's using vulgar terms instead of more polite ones. People keep f******* mistaking the two concepts.

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  24. This is nothing. I got a +5 on /. which was just by russotto · · Score: 1

    /unsubscribe
    fucking /unsubscribe

  25. Re: You aren't paying attention. by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    I know it is not the same but sounds like an ex of mine who submitted poetry. And of course the poetry was accepted, and you will want to buy this book of poetry for an outrageous price will you not?

  26. Re: You aren't paying attention. by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    Did not see the post right above mine. It is the same as that.... of course she did not believe me.

  27. Re: You aren't paying attention. by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    Or the who's who among american high school students... same concept.

  28. Re:A plus by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

    Not that it would be enough to have an appreciable affect, but it would increase the impact factor of the journal. That would be contrary to the point of such papers.

  29. So... you actually gave them money? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Because, that's what SPAM is intended to do, only a fraction of a percentage of the people have to give them money (even if it's as a joke, opposite research or any reason whatsoever) for them to be profitable.

    These sites are literally auto-generated for any field you can think of (I work in association with physicists, biologists and neurologists, they have at least a dozen journals across these fields). I get daily spams from at least 5 of them. The websites are identical (replacing the $field), the journals look identical and they're auto-generated. It is potentially a one-person operation having these half-wit professors publishing close to $3000/month/journal + advertising pages for what is an entirely electronic "journal".

    There are similar sites offering help writing your papers, offering help getting NIH/NSF/whatever funding. A small team could easily lift close to $1M/month in a self-enclosed, self-propagating ecosystem of 'products and services'; everything from the creation to the publishing of an entire study.

    The problem is not necessarily that these people are doing that (after all, it's a great idea to create an entirely fake ecosystem), the problem is that our public resources (in the form of government and tuition sourced grant money) are being used to publish these professors in fake, non-peer reviewed journals. Universities and government institutions actually accept these fake journals as 'credentials' because being published in a number of official-sounding journals trumps quality research for the beancounters.

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  30. Re:They must have some really low standards by Minwee · · Score: 2

    Possible "failure modes":

    1. Blind review: The reviewers are blind, so as long as the paper passes the "sniff test" ...
    2. International editorial review board: Their first, second, whatever languages aren't english ...

    Obviously a scam, though I want to know - did he mange to get off their mailing list?

    You missed one.

    3. The reviewers would appreciate it if the journal would stop mailing them papers without asking first.

  31. Re:remember this.... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    And we also know that the GW "skeptic" crowd doesn't bother to send papers even to scam journals. Remember that the next time a skeptic claims the reason there are so few skeptic papers published is because they get rejected.

  32. Re:Beall's list not neutral by johanneswilm · · Score: 1

    Not by Science Mag, but by others. Had you included the link to your cited text this would have become apparent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J... Also I have sent my draft in to a journal on Mr. Beall's list and received a reasonable, although not super-informed response, so I let the text be published in that journal. Of course expensive western journals and editorials would prefer if everyone only accepted them and was willing to continue financing their own scheme. If one open access journal has published crap, it is proof that this particular journal doesn't have the right procedures in place, not that this is the case for all open access journals, or even all open access journals from India or from the third world. It seems like an extension of cultural and economic imperialism to insist on first world journals being the only thing valid.

  33. Re:Beall's list not neutral by johanneswilm · · Score: 1

    Check out the list of reasons for why certain publishers are on the list: http://scholarlyoa.com/other-p... They include things such as: "Very few editorial board members from the west despite claiming to be International'" "Much of the authors’ guidelines is copied from other sites." "The journal has a very broad coverage to attract more author fees, and there are already many journals with a similar coverage — there is no authentic need for this new journal. It’s just being done for the profit." "There no indication of the journal’s digital preservation policies." Just to mention a few.

  34. Re:remember this.... by gewalker · · Score: 1

    Not to burst your bubble ... O what the hell.

    Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

    Report: 1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against Man-Made Global Warming Alarm

    No reason to mention the pro-AGW impending doom papers, no one doubts their existence.

    My thoughts -- Yes, some GW is related to CO2, at least some fraction of the additional CO2 is due to man's activity, in particular burning of carbon fuels. It may even be a serious problem. BTW, what is the optimal level of CO2 anyway, be sure to show your work.

  35. Re:remember this.... by raxx7 · · Score: 1

    You should dig a little deeper.

    For the first link:
    - The survey was made only among geo-scientists and engineers in the province of Alberta, Canada (where the oil industry is a major employer), it's a world wide survey of experts in climate.
    - The actual results of the survey were "27.4% believe it is caused by primarily natural factors (natural variation, volcanoes, sunspots, lithosphere motions, etc.), 25.7% believe it is caused by primarily human factors (burning fossil fuels, changing land use, enhanced water evaporation due to irrigation), and 45.2% believe that climate change is caused by both human and natural factors".

    Put simply, the article you linked in it outright lying.

  36. Re:remember this.... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    There are prefectly respectable climate science journals. The really top articles might even find their way into "nature" or "science".

    Simply making up lies isn't going to bring anyone to your cause, but, I do admit it is the denialist way, so that fits.

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  37. One could say the scam journal was... by counterplex · · Score: 1

    IJACT'ed from the community of honorable journals?

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  38. The paper is fine by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    While the scientific merits of their approach are indeed somewhat questionable, their article addresses a topic of widespread public interest and they make a valid point. I suppose it has entered the journal not under the category "original research" but rather under "discussion and critical commentaries".

  39. That reminds me of by mlkj · · Score: 1

    http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scig...

    SCIgen, an automatic CS paper generator, which got several "authors" accepted to talk at conferences !

  40. Re:A plus by gerddie · · Score: 1

    Not that it would be enough to have an appreciable affect, but it would increase the impact factor of the journal. That would be contrary to the point of such papers.

    Actually no. It would only show (one more time) that the IF is no useful measure. While this may not be the original intent of the paper, it would be a nice addition.

  41. Re:Beall's list not neutral by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    Check out the list of reasons for why certain publishers are on the list...

    Sounds reasonable to me.

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  42. Re:They must have some really low standards by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I posted a comment on Computer World web site in the '90s, and was sent two books to review. Got to keep the books.

  43. Re:I find it a bit disturbing by Megane · · Score: 1

    I find it more disturbing that these so-called "Australians" achieved a profanity density as low as 0.14!

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  44. Re:They must have some really low standards by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    well, they do say "blind review"

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