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Intel Core M Notebooks Arrive, Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro Tested

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MojoKid writes: Intel's 14nm Core M Broadwell architecture was announced a few months ago but to date, 2-in-1 hybrid devices and laptops have only trickled out to the market. Lenovo recently took the wraps off their Yoga 3 Pro 13-inch ultralight notebook and it's one of the few devices on the market right now that offers a glimpse of what Intel's Core M processor is capable of in performance and battery life testing. The 4.5 Watt TDP Core M 5Y70 actually keeps pace with 15-Watt previous generation Core i5 mobile chips in testing, but with significantly better battery life. It also enables very thin and light designs like the 2.6 pound Yoga 3 Pro, which is an interesting machine. Its watchband hinge allows it to contort into various positions for tablet, tent, stand and standard modes. The hinge is a "you love it or hate it" kind of thing, but does come with a 3200x1800 IPS display.

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  1. I recommend the Helix 2 by CajunArson · · Score: 2

    The Helix 2 is a more reasonably priced convertible 2-in-1 from Lenovo. The screen resolution isn't quite as high, but it's still a very reasonable 1920x1080 on an 11.6" display. I've run the thing on batttery for 8 solid hours doing standard office type work with wifi enabled and it performs very well.. and unlike the Yoga 3 it is truly a fanless design.

    You might want to hold off until the "pro" keyboards that include the addtional battery become more widely available. Those should boost the battery life up to around 12 hours or so.

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    1. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by Sephr · · Score: 1

      and unlike the Yoga 3 it is truly a fanless design

      The Yoga 3 Pro doesn't have any fans. What are you talking about?

    2. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been teardowns that do show a small fan in the Yoga 3: http://www.laptopultra.com/guide/lenovo-yoga-3-pro-disassembly/

      I'm not 100% sure if those were prototypes and maybe not the final version of the Yoga 3, but you can clearly see a fan.

    3. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by Sephr · · Score: 1

      Sorry, apparently I was wrong. Apparently they do have a fan (though I'm not sure if it's actually used), according to the disassembly linked below.

    4. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they bothered to put it in, they are using it (at least under some conditions).

      If they were not using it, they wouldn't put it in. Placing a fan is much like populating a possibly unused (or used in testing) portion of the motherboard. If it is not needed in the final product, you pull it out because it makes the shipped unit cheaper.

      Not sure if it's actually used?!?! What do you think of hardware engineers? They're not kids in high school that add fans internally just because it might be cool.

    5. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by markass530 · · Score: 0

      The Helix 2 is more expensive

    6. Re:I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starting at $979 it's less expensive than the Yoga 3.

      http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Helix-2-starts-at-979-USD.130255.0.html

    7. Re: I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> What do you think of hardware engineers? They're not kids in high school that add fans internally just because it might be cool.

      He was probably thinking that they are like kids in high school that add fans internally just because it might be HOT.

    8. Re: I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does. This is old news.

  2. This Product Makes Sense by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 0

    Having this week bought a new 13" MacBook Pro (tiny and light) and deciding to pass on the iPhone Galaxy 6 because it's form factor is so huge that it borders on being a mini-tablet -- I have been thinking if Apple could come out with a 10" Air and a standalone iWatch, I'd be completely fulfilled. So when I read about this Lenovo product yesterday, I was a bit jealous. If they can come out with a smaller display sized version and get some Linux drivers for the hardware and offer an Ubuntu version, I would totally leave Apple in a heart beat.

    1. Re:This Product Makes Sense by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      the iPhone Galaxy 6

      Uh, what? Samsung makes the Galaxy line, not Apple.

      If they can [...] get some Linux drivers for the hardware and offer an Ubuntu version, I would totally leave Apple in a heart beat.

      I would leave anything else in a heartbeat if they offered that.

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    2. Re:This Product Makes Sense by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      Samsung makes the Galaxy line, not Apple.

      I think it was joke vis-a-vis Apple making "phablet" phones after spending years insisting that people wouldn't like them because they can't use them with only one hand. Add to the fact that the iPhone 6 Plus looks kind of like a Galaxy S5 with less-rounded corners and there you go.

      Or, to put it another way, "woosh."

    3. Re:This Product Makes Sense by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Thanks, point taken.

      Actually, I think the iPhone 6 Plus was meant to be compared to the Galaxy Note 4, and the iPhone 6 to the Galaxy S5.

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    4. Re:This Product Makes Sense by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think it was joke vis-a-vis Apple making "phablet" phones after spending years insisting that people wouldn't like them because they can't use them with only one hand. Add to the fact that the iPhone 6 Plus looks kind of like a Galaxy S5 with less-rounded corners and there you go.

      According to sales data, in North America Apple is correct - people are eschewing the iPhone 6+ in favor of the iPhone 6 (about 1:4 6+:6 sales ratio, or 20% 6+, 80% 6). In Asia, though, apparently bigger is better because the 6+ is selling in significantly larger proportions (1:2 or so 37% 6+, 63% 6).

      So yeah, people in North America and Europe go for the more practically sized 6, while Asians go for the numerical bigger is better and buy on screen size.

    5. Re:This Product Makes Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they just compared the old iPhone size to a big middle finger pointed at the fans of its size.

    6. Re: This Product Makes Sense by asliarun · · Score: 1

      Perhaps what is "sensible" or not depends on usage patterns. It could very well be that Asians want a bigger phone because they use their device more and hence want something closer to a tablet. During train and public transit. As opposed to Americans who are mostly driving to work and are thus not using their phone as much every day.

    7. Re:This Product Makes Sense by brm · · Score: 1

      There's a radio ad in Beijing for one of the big phones in which a woman boasts that she hasn't lost any weight but her friends all think she has because her face looks so thin next to her giant new phone.

      The phone isn't just for use, it's a fashion statement.

      Perhaps that attitude extends to other Asian countries?

  3. clickpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not care about latest intel core whatever. What I care about is a usable keyboard and trackpad/point, redundant components and the ability to fix things up when something breaks.

    This thing, by the looks of it, has a clickpad. Ergo, its garbage. Lets move on.

    1. Re:clickpad by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The one nice thing about the crap that Lenovo sells is that it (only sometimes, not always, alas) provides them with space to express their bad ideas without fucking up the Thinkpad line.

      They can make all the freakjobs and plastic toys they want; but if the day comes when I can't get a decent thinkpad it's going to be very, very, bad.

    2. Re:clickpad by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Au Contraire!

      At work the lease on my T410 was up and replaced with a Thinkpad T440. It's alright, but it has a clickpad (that I hate), and it only has 2 USB ports (my old Thinkpad had 4).

      The vertical screen resolution also shrank from 1280x800 to 1366x768. The RAM is the same 4GB as my 3 year old thinkpad, and the CPU isn't appreciably faster.

      On a positive note the battery life is good. I was at an 8 hour session running entirely on battery, and still had 33% left at the end of the day.

    3. Re:clickpad by caseih · · Score: 1

      But the clickpad has been in the Thinkpad line for years now. And it sucks there too. I don't mind the clickpad on OS X, but under Windows and Linux it's horrible.

      Running Mint on my X220, and I cannot get the clickpad to work worth a darn It's jumpy, and the clicking part always moves the mouse cursor when I hit it. Also I can't rest my thumb on the pad while moving my index finger. The cursor just won't go anywhere. It's extremely annoying. I'm not sure whether this is Linux at fault or the pad itself. It might be the latter because I think Windows has the same problem. But either way the clickpad needs a lot more Linux developer love. At least the X220 has real buttons above the trackpad, and the trackpoint.

  4. Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty expensive: $1,299. Not a good investment.

    1. Re:Price by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Pretty expensive: $1,299. Not a good investment.

      Do any laptops count as 'investments'? I'm pretty sure I've had some toner cartridges last longer than some laptops.

    2. Re:Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the spec and form factor it is actually a pretty good price.

    3. Re:Price by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Anything that's over $1000 is an investment. Hell, anything over $100 is probably an investment. My phone was $199; I consider it to be an investment, and I've had it for almost two years. $200 laser printer? Investment. Now the $45 Raspberry Pi? That's not an investment, that's a toy, and it is priced accordingly.

    4. Re: Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An investment is anything where you give up something today, usually money, to gain some reward in the future. A $2 screen guard on my phone is an investment, while a $200 lavish dinner is not (usually). Your arbitrary price based definition makes no sense, does not fit reality, and is totally stupid.

    5. Re: Price by nctritech · · Score: 1

      A $2 screen guard protects your $200 phone investment. The guard isn't an investment, it's a cheap and disposable item whose only purpose is to minimize damage to the much more expensive product it's attached to. Of course a $200 lavish dinner is not an investment; if you've got $200 to blow on one meal, your threshold for what is a disposable item and what is not is higher than that of an average person.

      An "investment" in colloquial usage within the context of retail goods is obtaining something that you need to remain working for a significant period of time. If something is relatively very cheap, the financial barrier to replacing it is low, thus if it breaks you just go get another one. If something is relatively expensive (let's say a $1200 computer which you had to save money for three months to afford) then you can't replace it easily if it breaks, so you purchase carefully and with greater importance placed on long term reliability. That's the only reason the purchase of a consumer good that will only ever depreciate in market value is called "an investment." Contrary to your assertions that "price based definition makes no sense, does not fit reality, and is totally stupid," it does in fact make perfect sense, is based entirely in reality, and is quite correct.

  5. Re:Worse Graphics and Multicore than an iPad Air 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    One can be used as an actual computer while the iPad is slower by the actual benchmarks and is a consumption device for inbred neckbeards. Your move, mate.

  6. Any AMD equivalents out there? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Are there any such hybrid notebook/tablets that use AMD's CPUs? Or is AMD completely dead & out of the game?

    At any rate, I don't think these are such great buys until Windows 10 is out - where we have the ability to make the interface Windows 7 like or 8 like as we please.

    1. Re: Any AMD equivalents out there? by slaker · · Score: 1

      AMD is completely out of the game and the thrust of their current design work seems to have entirely ceded low power x86 to Intel in favor of better performing hybrid CPU/GPU products.

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    2. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      AMD theoretically has parts that target reasonably similar power envelopes (lower-powered 'Kabini' APUs, 'Temash' APUs, and 'Mullins' APUs, go here and play with the wattage filter if you want the actual model-number-soup); but design wins appear to be..sparse...at best.

      Zotac put an A6-1450 into a little fanless desktop/HTPC thing; but AMD parts seem to be damn rare outside cheap desktops and the churn of big-n'-awful 15ish inch Best Buy shelfwarmer laptops.

      I'm not familiar enough with the benchmarks, and definitely not familiar enough with what OEMs actually pay, to say how much of this is due to objective inferiority, and how much is due to Intel's rather 'generous' pricing of their low-end, low-TDP parts to break into the tablet game.

      Compared with something like the J1900 ('Bay Trail' celeron ~10w) the A6-1450 can hold its own, and likely has a punchier GPU; but reports are that Intel is practically giving Bay Trails away, while AMD just doesn't have anything that matches Haswell parts.

    3. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by edxwelch · · Score: 3, Informative

      AMD will probabably leave the tablet market:
      http://www.pcworld.com/article...

      The tablet market is in a price battle and profit margins for chip makers are minuscule, said Kevin Lensing, senior director for mobility solutions at AMD.

      âoeWeâ(TM)re evaluating [tablets] closely. Itâ(TM)s not our priority,â Lensing said.

    4. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by guises · · Score: 1

      There isn't anything this thin and light, there aren't any AMD CPUs that can run at a decent speed at such low power, but on larger notebooks they're competitive at the low end if you factor in the GPU. An A10 is both faster and cheaper than Iris Pro.

      Trouble is, most people who care about that want something discrete. But for a cheap notebook which is actually gaming-capable an A10 is a good choice.

    5. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I want a ARM hybrid. Put android on it and make it easy to put Linux on it.

    6. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Google could do a Chrome hybrid that has Chromium OS in laptop mode, and Android in tablet mode. Just like Microsoft plans to do w/ Windows 10

    7. Re:Any AMD equivalents out there? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      AMD has spend a lot of time and money building low power SoCs. Tablets use low-power SoCs. That they can't make money in that market is a pretty clear admission they've bet on the wrong horse. High end desktops and servers died with the FX line and you know their laptop line is in trouble when they have to advertise this: Introducing mobile systems with AMD's highest performing APUs, exclusively at Best Buy. It can't be long until they're waving the white flag and pulling out of mainstream x86 processors altogether, they're losing on all fronts. They got lucky in "graphics" for a while with AMD card being far superior for cryptocurrency mining, but that's over and nVidia is now selling as many graphics chips as AMD does total, including the APUs. I expect the Q4 numbers to be worse as nVidia launched the GTX 980/970 and AMD isn't due for a new production until 2015. What's carrying AMD is now the console business, if they didn't have that to prop up volume they'd be done for. The way things are going they need to find money in the ARM business and fast.

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  8. 3200x1800 IPS display. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the one time I will be grateful that the CEOs and executives at the major OEMs (the sort of people who could not find their own asses with both hands and a map much less figure out what customers want) are copycatting Apple, specifically their Retina display. 1366 x 768 displays are an abomination.

  9. so close to perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a Y3P in my cart, but abandoned it. Why? It doesn't have F-keys. It's the same reason I didn't buy the New X1 Carbon (and its horrible mouse) to replace my x230 or original X1. I'm OK with well-done click pads (original X1 being the minimum bar, Chromebook Pixel being the champion) but the recent fiddling with keyboards had made it hard to buy a computer.

    13â MBP may be my next computer, but I have never liked MacOS. But I like it more than I like bad keyboards.

    1. Re:so close to perfect by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      It has F keys, you just need to press a Fn modifier. My wife has one and she loves it. It replaced a Asus Tablet and Dell laptop for her.

    2. Re:so close to perfect by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Assuming it's like my Yoga 2 Pro, which seems likely, you can toggle the default behavior of those keys from special-function mode to F-key mode (hold Fn to reverse that, of course). It's in the BIOS/UEFI setup, same place it has been on the last ~5 years (maybe longer?) of Lenovo hardware

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    3. Re:so close to perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find the biggest problem with the consumer variants of the Lenovo laptops is that they butcher the right-shift key into a useless little square all so they don't have to shift the arrow keys down. I so vehemently hate the right-shift being chopped down that I immediately cross off any laptop that has that feature. This includes a wide array of laptops on the market.

      Furthermore their business variant of the keyboard (such as on Thinkpad Yoga) preserves the right-shift but then swaps the left-side function and control keys, a nearly equally infuriating arrangement.

      If they ever learn to keep the standard arrangement then I might consider them again, but I doubt it will happen.

    4. Re:so close to perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not good enough. Sharing number-keys and function-keys is less productive than having dedicated keys. I use the F-keys all the time.

    5. Re:so close to perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly false. Check out this photo.

  10. Lenovo ruining productive keyboard layout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why must Lenovo ruin the keyboard layout? The keypad looks like a small island in a sea of black. It is anti-productive. There is ample room for F keys and other dedicated buttons. Lenovo mucked up the Carbon X1, too. The trend is not good.

  11. GeekBench & GFXBench by glennrrr · · Score: 2

    According to ArsTechnica:
    GeekBench 3: Multicore
    Yoga Pro 3: 3981
    iPad Air 2:4553

    GFBench 3: Offscreen (Manhattan):
    Yoga Pro 3: 23 fps
    iPad Air 2: 33
    GFBench 3: Offscreen (T-Rex):
    Yoga Pro 3: 45 fps
    iPad Air 2: 70.4
    Obviously, I'm cherry-picking here, but still. The iPad Air 2 weighs much less than the Yoga, and gets better battery life. It should not be able to trounce it at any significant benchmark.

    1. Re:GeekBench & GFXBench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't an Apple to Apple comparison, but an Apple to Lenovo comparison...

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    2. Re:GeekBench & GFXBench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      iPads can't run Windows 7.

    3. Re:GeekBench & GFXBench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, considering how craptacular Geekbench is, I take it as a COMPLIMENT to the Lenovo that it lost.

  12. I recommend the Helix 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what I don't like about Lenovo's 'yoga' obsession. It struck me as a straightforward cost effective way to get the 'convertible' capability in a pinch, notable for the relative low cost it could be done with. Now Lenovo trumpets the approach at the expense of others. Helix 2 is a better experience since you can ditch the keyboard weight and even with the keyboard attached, the keys aren't under the fingers when folder up. Without some convoluted scheme to retract the keyboard, but still obviously be a keyboard (the thinkpad yoga).

    As a result, I can't get my hands on a helix 2 to evaluate because the only products that make it to brick and mortar are the super cheap or yoga branded....

  13. For low power? None by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    AMD chips need a lot of juice for a given level of performance. Their Vishera chips that competes with Intel's high end desktop i5s in price and in some cases performance (depends on the benchmark, it is as fast in some, woefully slower in others) needs 220 watts to get that level of performance.

    If you desire a power economical processor, Intel are your guys. AMD's architecture and lithography are just not up to Intel's level at the moment.

    You also have to remember, with regards to lithography, Intel is WAY ahead of anyone else. AMD's chips are still 32nm, these new Broadwell chips are 14nm.

    1. Re:For low power? None by nctritech · · Score: 1

      That 220W CPU beats most of Intel's high-end consumer grade offerings in everything but finding prime numbers and pi digits once you start dividing the real-world performance numbers by the cost of the chip. If you absolutely need to get maximum performance from a single die (in which case you're probably looking at server processors anyway), the massive price premium of Intel chips may be worth it, but the 220W AMD chip is a much better deal. I constantly read arguments stating that Intel is better than AMD because of their superior processes and lower power consumption. While impressive and certainly helpful if you're looking for a low-wattage CPU for a laptop or tablet (I chose a ULV i3 for my laptop), on a desktop I just want to process some video and crank some data through 7-Zip, and AMD's offering costs way less while offering the same effective performance. https://nctritech.files.wordpr...

    2. Re:For low power? None by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. HardOCP did a test with the new Haswell E series, as well as normal Haswell and Ivy Bridge chips, and then the AMD FX-9590. In every case, the AMD chip lost. Sandra Drystone, Sandra memory bandwidth, Hyper PI, Cinebench, POV Ray, Handbrake, LAME, WinRAR, and games, in call cases it scored below the Haswell chip. In most cases it scored below the Ivy Bridge chip, sometimes substantially. For example in Cinebench the Haswell-E 8 core scored 19.31, the normal Haswell 4 core scored 9.93, the AMD scored 7.93. Also the AMD chip was clocked 500 MHz higher than the Intel chips (all were OC'd, HardOCP is a performance site).

      Also please remember that normal Haswell has a TDP of around 90 watts.

      Right now, AMD chips just are not a very good showing in terms of power per watt. Intel also is able to be price competitive because their more midrange chips compete with AMD's higher end. The Bulldozer architecture has not proven to be efficient, and Intel also gets to lean on their lead in lithography. All Intel's lines are on 22nm these days and they are rolling out 14nm chips for sale now. AMD is still using a 32nm process.

      http://www.hardocp.com/article...

    3. Re:For low power? None by nctritech · · Score: 1

      The article uses a bone stock FX-9590 against very heavily overclocked (around 150% of factory maximum specs) and water-cooled Intel setups, plus saddles the AMD chip with high RAM latencies even compared to the Intel chips using the same frequency of DDR3 RAM. I'm aware that the 9590 is essentially an FX-8370 that binned very well and got a clock boost from the factory because of it, but AMD has had these chips up to 8.7 GHz and HardOCP tested it at bone stock with poorly configured RAM. They could have at least given the AMD chip some overclocking, fancy cooling, and the same RAM latency figures. That would have been more apples-to-apples.

      Here's a review that tested all the chips at stock settings with more typical RAM configurations. It's also the article from which the price-to-performance bar chart was derived (compared against Newegg retail prices) and is representative of what a typical system builder who is not taking the risks involved in overclocking can expect from the hardware. Here are a few more benchmarks of x264 which is what I cared about when buying a desktop CPU.

      Until the stock performance numbers divided by the price come out higher on the Intel side, the AMD is the better value if you don't want to heavily overclock your chip and void your warranty. Intel has always had faster CPUs available than AMD, but they have always carried a significantly higher price tag. I'd prefer to have that money to buy something else like an SSD or more RAM. For other people, low power consumption or higher maximum performance may matter far more to them than the price tag, and I don't begrudge their choice to get Intel chips because that's what meets their needs.

  14. Lenovo is Healthy by SarfarazJamal · · Score: 1

    If you buy a Lenova you also get to do #Yoga for free. #Winning.

  15. Low power CPU's are in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately my experience with low powered mobile CPU's from Intel are not very good. I bought a Acer E11 with a N2940 Intel BayTrail and yes 7 watt average draw is great ! So is the fact its a quad core running at 1.83 Ghz burst to 2.16 I believe. But it sure don't respond like you would think. Maybe these new M Mobiles will be better? But I think probably not. We are taking performance hits to cheapen PC's and today a $400 laptop probably runs a slower CPU then a $400 laptop just a couple years ago. I am all for saving energy in mobile but not at a significant expense of performance. I had to return that Acer E11 because its performance reminded me of the netbooks that first came out. Same issues, still plague these low powered CPU's. I can already see a lot of these cheap laptops being returned after people begin to experience the laggy performance of the N2000 series Intel's. I doubt the M series will be a lot better. Windows 8 is a shade better but its still a OS that needs something more then a Atom based processor.

  16. Intels tick-tock strategy is a play to the gallery by viking80 · · Score: 1

    Intels continued tick-tock development is at this time only a play to the gallery. The 14nm core actually only has 1 component per 321 '14nm tiles'. This is 1% the density from 10 years ago. The performance has not improved very much over the last generations either.
    Maybe it is time for Intel to use their enormous resources to go in a new direction and become competitive in a new world. Otherwise they will tick-tock themselves into fighting a sub 10nm battle with no enemies except Moore's law.

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  17. Re:Intels tick-tock strategy is a play to the gall by viking80 · · Score: 2

    The intel Pentium M from 2004 with 130nm had a die size of 87mm2, and 140 million gates, or 35 per '130nm tile' so this make the current 14nm 10% the density relative the the technology size, not 1%

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  21. WebGL by tepples · · Score: 2

    Imagine how much better it would be as an actual computer if its graphics hardware was as fast as an iPad

    Too bad the iPad's code signing policy means that unapproved apps have to go through the WebGL layer. Is the iPad's graphics hardware still fast in WebGL?

  22. m core performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardware.info (dutch site) has tested the lenovo yoga 3 pro and concluded that it's much better than the older laptops with intel y processors but performs worse than the lenovo yoga 2 with the i7 4510u processor (same price range as the 3 pro). Battery life and weight are almost the same. I would buy the old version!

  23. Re:Worse Graphics and Multicore than an iPad Air 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet it still roasts the iPad Air 2 in performance. Seriously, are you actually trying to compare an ARM CPU and some shitty PowerVR crap to an actual PC?

  24. Re: Worse Graphics and Multicore than an iPad Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The PowerVR GXA6850 in the iPad Air 2's GPU is slower than the Iris Pro 5300 in the Yoga 3. The A8X is a LOT slower than Broadwell.

  25. Re: Worse Graphics and Multicore than an iPad Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The PowerVR GXA6850 in the iPad Air 2's GPU is slower than the Iris Pro 5300 in the Yoga 3. The A8X is a LOT slower than Broadwell.

    Yes, it absolutely is, but I suspect that OP must be trolling, no-one technically inclined could really believe otherwise.

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  27. Assertions versus Facts by glennrrr · · Score: 1

    You can assert that the Broadwell chipset is a LOT faster than the A8X chipset all you want. You can even use all caps, but that doesn't stop the fact that the Yoga is faster at single core tasks (like browser rendering), slower at multi-core tasks, and a lot slower at graphics at least as measured by GeekBench and GFXBench. And it's probably a lot slower at long term operations where it will be more thermally throttled than an iPad. The question has always been, can Intel get more power efficient faster than ARM can become performant. As it stands now, it looks like ARM is answering that question.

    1. Re:Assertions versus Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can assert that the Broadwell chipset is a LOT faster than the A8X chipset all you want. You can even use all caps, but that doesn't stop the fact that the Yoga is faster at single core tasks (like browser rendering), slower at multi-core tasks, and a lot slower at graphics at least as measured by GeekBench and GFXBench. And it's probably a lot slower at long term operations where it will be more thermally throttled than an iPad. The question has always been, can Intel get more power efficient faster than ARM can become performant. As it stands now, it looks like ARM is answering that question.

      You do know that the Geekbench result from primatelabs that have been linked around was using the Core M-5Y10, the Yoga here use the Core M-5Y70 which is quite a bit faster. Also, they used a 32-bit version of the benchmark on the Core M against a 64-bit version on A8X, and the good A8X scores on multicore is very heavily influenced by the SHA part of the test -- which is part of a general criticism of the Geekbench test, but lets instead look at also other tests:

      A8X has a Sunspider score of around 300 ms, and Core M-5Y70 absolutely crushing it with 100 ms (3 times as fast). A8X has 3Dmark IS score of around 21.000, Core M-5Y70 is more than twice as fast with 45.000.

  28. Re:Gay Wigger Association of DICE* by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Those models are defective, they're crazy.

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  29. ArsTechnica link by glennrrr · · Score: 1
    I don't know what's being linked around. The numbers I got for the Core M-5Y70 were from this article on arstechnica:
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...
    Ars also gives the SunSpider results at 294/128 which is crushing while it gives a Octane scores of 9000/12000, which is a beating but not a crushing.
    According to this review: http://www.ultrabookreview.com... the 3DMark values you are touting here fall apart on repeated running because of thermal throttling. Now, this is not necessarily the chips fault, maybe Lenovo did a bad job designing the cooling system, or is being too careful with overheating. An iPad Air 2 may throttle a bit, but not the 80% loss of CPU speed seen by the Yoga Pro 3.

    Regardless, the hardware throttles aggressively and there’s little one could do about that. For instance, when trying to play games, both the CPU and the GPU drop to very low frequencies. In fact, I wasn’t able to run properly any of the titles I’ve tried on this laptop, not even older ones like Dirt3 on HD resolution with very low details. I did got somewhat better results when playing the game in Window mode, as you can see from the pictures below (look for Average CPU and GPU frequencies), but switching to Fullscreen resulted in an average of 6-8 fps. The same happend when trying Metro Last Light and I just gave up after that.

    My point here is that at this rate, Apple will be putting out a fanless device that is faster, uses less power, has less thermal throttling (so wins both sprints and marathons). As of now, they have a device that uses less power and is faster at certain operations and will win most marathons.

    1. Re:ArsTechnica link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really is irrelevant because...wait for it...iPads can't run Windows 7.

  30. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you expect from social justice warriors (SJWs)?
    Same thinking of debian vis a vi systemd opponents.
    Same thinking of debian and vis a vi male programmers who oppose feminism:
    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi...