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Intel Core M Notebooks Arrive, Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro Tested
MojoKid writes: Intel's 14nm Core M Broadwell architecture was announced a few months ago but to date, 2-in-1 hybrid devices and laptops have only trickled out to the market. Lenovo recently took the wraps off their Yoga 3 Pro 13-inch ultralight notebook and it's one of the few devices on the market right now that offers a glimpse of what Intel's Core M processor is capable of in performance and battery life testing. The 4.5 Watt TDP Core M 5Y70 actually keeps pace with 15-Watt previous generation Core i5 mobile chips in testing, but with significantly better battery life. It also enables very thin and light designs like the 2.6 pound Yoga 3 Pro, which is an interesting machine. Its watchband hinge allows it to contort into various positions for tablet, tent, stand and standard modes. The hinge is a "you love it or hate it" kind of thing, but does come with a 3200x1800 IPS display.
The Helix 2 is a more reasonably priced convertible 2-in-1 from Lenovo. The screen resolution isn't quite as high, but it's still a very reasonable 1920x1080 on an 11.6" display. I've run the thing on batttery for 8 solid hours doing standard office type work with wifi enabled and it performs very well.. and unlike the Yoga 3 it is truly a fanless design.
You might want to hold off until the "pro" keyboards that include the addtional battery become more widely available. Those should boost the battery life up to around 12 hours or so.
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the iPhone Galaxy 6
Uh, what? Samsung makes the Galaxy line, not Apple.
If they can [...] get some Linux drivers for the hardware and offer an Ubuntu version, I would totally leave Apple in a heart beat.
I would leave anything else in a heartbeat if they offered that.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Samsung makes the Galaxy line, not Apple.
I think it was joke vis-a-vis Apple making "phablet" phones after spending years insisting that people wouldn't like them because they can't use them with only one hand. Add to the fact that the iPhone 6 Plus looks kind of like a Galaxy S5 with less-rounded corners and there you go.
Or, to put it another way, "woosh."
I do not care about latest intel core whatever. What I care about is a usable keyboard and trackpad/point, redundant components and the ability to fix things up when something breaks.
This thing, by the looks of it, has a clickpad. Ergo, its garbage. Lets move on.
Thanks, point taken.
Actually, I think the iPhone 6 Plus was meant to be compared to the Galaxy Note 4, and the iPhone 6 to the Galaxy S5.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
One can be used as an actual computer while the iPad is slower by the actual benchmarks and is a consumption device for inbred neckbeards. Your move, mate.
Are there any such hybrid notebook/tablets that use AMD's CPUs? Or is AMD completely dead & out of the game?
At any rate, I don't think these are such great buys until Windows 10 is out - where we have the ability to make the interface Windows 7 like or 8 like as we please.
Pretty expensive: $1,299. Not a good investment.
Do any laptops count as 'investments'? I'm pretty sure I've had some toner cartridges last longer than some laptops.
According to ArsTechnica:
GeekBench 3: Multicore
Yoga Pro 3: 3981
iPad Air 2:4553
GFBench 3: Offscreen (Manhattan):
Yoga Pro 3: 23 fps
iPad Air 2: 33
GFBench 3: Offscreen (T-Rex):
Yoga Pro 3: 45 fps
iPad Air 2: 70.4
Obviously, I'm cherry-picking here, but still. The iPad Air 2 weighs much less than the Yoga, and gets better battery life. It should not be able to trounce it at any significant benchmark.
According to sales data, in North America Apple is correct - people are eschewing the iPhone 6+ in favor of the iPhone 6 (about 1:4 6+:6 sales ratio, or 20% 6+, 80% 6). In Asia, though, apparently bigger is better because the 6+ is selling in significantly larger proportions (1:2 or so 37% 6+, 63% 6).
So yeah, people in North America and Europe go for the more practically sized 6, while Asians go for the numerical bigger is better and buy on screen size.
AMD chips need a lot of juice for a given level of performance. Their Vishera chips that competes with Intel's high end desktop i5s in price and in some cases performance (depends on the benchmark, it is as fast in some, woefully slower in others) needs 220 watts to get that level of performance.
If you desire a power economical processor, Intel are your guys. AMD's architecture and lithography are just not up to Intel's level at the moment.
You also have to remember, with regards to lithography, Intel is WAY ahead of anyone else. AMD's chips are still 32nm, these new Broadwell chips are 14nm.
If you buy a Lenova you also get to do #Yoga for free. #Winning.
Intels continued tick-tock development is at this time only a play to the gallery. The 14nm core actually only has 1 component per 321 '14nm tiles'. This is 1% the density from 10 years ago. The performance has not improved very much over the last generations either.
Maybe it is time for Intel to use their enormous resources to go in a new direction and become competitive in a new world. Otherwise they will tick-tock themselves into fighting a sub 10nm battle with no enemies except Moore's law.
don't cut it off www.mgmbill.org
The intel Pentium M from 2004 with 130nm had a die size of 87mm2, and 140 million gates, or 35 per '130nm tile' so this make the current 14nm 10% the density relative the the technology size, not 1%
don't cut it off www.mgmbill.org
Anything that's over $1000 is an investment. Hell, anything over $100 is probably an investment. My phone was $199; I consider it to be an investment, and I've had it for almost two years. $200 laser printer? Investment. Now the $45 Raspberry Pi? That's not an investment, that's a toy, and it is priced accordingly.
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It has F keys, you just need to press a Fn modifier. My wife has one and she loves it. It replaced a Asus Tablet and Dell laptop for her.
Imagine how much better it would be as an actual computer if its graphics hardware was as fast as an iPad
Too bad the iPad's code signing policy means that unapproved apps have to go through the WebGL layer. Is the iPad's graphics hardware still fast in WebGL?
Assuming it's like my Yoga 2 Pro, which seems likely, you can toggle the default behavior of those keys from special-function mode to F-key mode (hold Fn to reverse that, of course). It's in the BIOS/UEFI setup, same place it has been on the last ~5 years (maybe longer?) of Lenovo hardware
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You can assert that the Broadwell chipset is a LOT faster than the A8X chipset all you want. You can even use all caps, but that doesn't stop the fact that the Yoga is faster at single core tasks (like browser rendering), slower at multi-core tasks, and a lot slower at graphics at least as measured by GeekBench and GFXBench. And it's probably a lot slower at long term operations where it will be more thermally throttled than an iPad. The question has always been, can Intel get more power efficient faster than ARM can become performant. As it stands now, it looks like ARM is answering that question.
Those models are defective, they're crazy.
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Perhaps what is "sensible" or not depends on usage patterns. It could very well be that Asians want a bigger phone because they use their device more and hence want something closer to a tablet. During train and public transit. As opposed to Americans who are mostly driving to work and are thus not using their phone as much every day.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...
Ars also gives the SunSpider results at 294/128 which is crushing while it gives a Octane scores of 9000/12000, which is a beating but not a crushing.
According to this review: http://www.ultrabookreview.com... the 3DMark values you are touting here fall apart on repeated running because of thermal throttling. Now, this is not necessarily the chips fault, maybe Lenovo did a bad job designing the cooling system, or is being too careful with overheating. An iPad Air 2 may throttle a bit, but not the 80% loss of CPU speed seen by the Yoga Pro 3.
My point here is that at this rate, Apple will be putting out a fanless device that is faster, uses less power, has less thermal throttling (so wins both sprints and marathons). As of now, they have a device that uses less power and is faster at certain operations and will win most marathons.
A $2 screen guard protects your $200 phone investment. The guard isn't an investment, it's a cheap and disposable item whose only purpose is to minimize damage to the much more expensive product it's attached to. Of course a $200 lavish dinner is not an investment; if you've got $200 to blow on one meal, your threshold for what is a disposable item and what is not is higher than that of an average person.
An "investment" in colloquial usage within the context of retail goods is obtaining something that you need to remain working for a significant period of time. If something is relatively very cheap, the financial barrier to replacing it is low, thus if it breaks you just go get another one. If something is relatively expensive (let's say a $1200 computer which you had to save money for three months to afford) then you can't replace it easily if it breaks, so you purchase carefully and with greater importance placed on long term reliability. That's the only reason the purchase of a consumer good that will only ever depreciate in market value is called "an investment." Contrary to your assertions that "price based definition makes no sense, does not fit reality, and is totally stupid," it does in fact make perfect sense, is based entirely in reality, and is quite correct.
There's a radio ad in Beijing for one of the big phones in which a woman boasts that she hasn't lost any weight but her friends all think she has because her face looks so thin next to her giant new phone.
The phone isn't just for use, it's a fashion statement.
Perhaps that attitude extends to other Asian countries?