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IoT Is the Third Big Technology 'Wave' In the Last 50 Years, Says Harvard

dcblogs writes: The Internet of Things (IoT) may be more significant in reshaping the competitive landscape than the arrival of the Internet. Its productivity potential is so powerful it will deliver a new era of prosperity. That's the argument put forth by Michael Porter, an economist at the Harvard Business School and James Heppelmann, president and CEO of PTC, in a recent Harvard Business Review essay. PTC is a product design software firm that recently acquired machine-to-machine firm Axeda Corp. In the past 50 years, IT has delivered two major transformations or "waves," as the authors describe it. The first came in the 1960s and 1970s, with IT-enabled process automation, computer-aided design and manufacturing resource planning. The second was the Internet and everything it delivered. The third is IoT. That's a strikingly sweeping claim and there will no doubt be contrarians to Porter and Heppelmann's view. But what analysts are clear about is that IoT development today is at an early stage, perhaps at a point similar to 1995, the same year Amazon and eBay went online, followed by Netflix in 1997 and Google in 1998. People understood the trend at the time, but the big picture was still out of focus.

196 comments

  1. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shill says shilled product is the "next big thing," let's listen!

    1. Re:Really? by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now I have a TWO phrases to despise. "The Cloud" and "Internet of Things"

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    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I swear, every time I hear somebody says "Internet of things" I immediately want to punch them in the face. What was wrong with the old word for it. "Networked". Hell, I'd be fine with "Internet enabled". Those make more sense than that horrible, horrible catch phrase.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In which case it sounds like a better name for IoT would be The Networked Internet of Interconnected Networks, but only when the internet of interconnecterated networks is connectified and networkerised by serial CloudTubes[TM].

      Smithers, call the trademark office!

    4. Re:Really? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Only two? I got a boatload. Although now I just look at those phrases as tools in a game played to separate fools from money. In the end, they're only Rorschach ink blots showing the con men the fastest path between the marks' hopes and fears.

      As usual, normal technology caveats apply. Don't discard wheat needlessly, but do your best to look in places where the wheat/chaff ratio is relatively high. And that ain't IoT.

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      That is all.
    5. Re:Really? by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't get it. IoT is a shorthand for the idea of having lots of networked sensors and actuators. In layman's terms: setups such as self-driving cars that warn each other about road hazards.

      If this is the shape of things to come then there will obviously will be plenty of work for security experts.

    6. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear, every time I hear somebody says "Internet of things" I immediately want to punch them in the face. What was wrong with the old word for it. "Networked". Hell, I'd be fine with "Internet enabled". Those make more sense than that horrible, horrible catch phrase.

      Well, that one is easy... because it's a new phrase for it and marketing likes that.
      People wouldn't think it's something 'new and exciting' and race out to buy it if you just called it 'networking' or 'internet enabled', that's old boring stuff. Just wait, in a few years it'll be the "IOT 2.0" to help revitalize sales. :-P

    7. Re:Really? by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      Oh we get it, it's just kind of silly. IP cameras have been around before this terminology was in use, and there was never any confusion within the surveillance industry about what made them distinct from traditional surveillance cameras, even among amateurs doing DIY setups. And they haven't adopted this new terminology either, because a "Internet of Things Camera" sounds retarded.

    8. Re:Really? by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      "Today I bought one of those new Internet-Of-Things-Thermostats, and installed a Internet-Of-Things-Outdoor-Thermometer." Things friends and relatives will now say to us and expect us to pretend to be impressed with.

    9. Re:Really? by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah and there were virtual machines talking to other virtual machines and abstracting away resources long before anyone thought of the word "cloud".

      Simple shorthands like "cloud" or "internet of things" are needed because the suit-wearing people who decide where money gets allocated often prefer fuzzy thinking.

    10. Re:Really? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I swear, every time I hear somebody says "Internet of things" I immediately want to punch them in the face.

      The good news is that you actually can punch people in the face over the Internet of things!

      (At least depending on what kinds of actuators those things have.)

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    11. Re:Really? by xaotikdesigns · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I hear "Internet of Things", I think, "Twitter Enabled Refrigerator"

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      XDInd
    12. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1994 as an engineering student in college, I connected a 120v relay to my internet connected computer and plugged it into a coffee maker. I did it as a proof of concept and learning experience. It was very simple and took me maybe a couple of hours. I'd never done anything like it before and most of the efor was in learning the software configuration (PPP and SLIP).

      The point was turning on a relay, not the coffee machine. Anything that could be plugged into an outlet was now controllable from anywhere on the internet. Once you grasp this fundamental concept, everything else turns into the next 'internet enabled software' marketing buzzword crap. There's no difference in turning on your blender in Texas from Singapore than turning it on from the next room while laying on the couch.

      And there aren't that many sensors or types of actuation. Servo and relay is a pretty exhaustive list of things you can physically control and if you can read a sensor value it can be transmitted over the network

    13. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so with you on this. It's as ugly as it is stupid.

    14. Re:Really? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I think Web 5.0 will be called The Cloud of Things or simply The CloudThingNet, or the ThingNet seeing as....

      Web 2.0 was about user feedback and social media; Web 3.0 was about application-rich web content, and Web 4.0 was about Cloud computing.

    15. Re:Really? by stridebird · · Score: 1

      ...and most of the efor was in learning the software configuration (PPP and SLIP)

      You missed HTCPCP/1.0
      https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc23...

      Abstract
            This document describes HTCPCP, a protocol for controlling,
            monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots.

    16. Re:Really? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      People have been talking about networking non-PC "things" together ever since people became acquainted with computers.

      IoT as a term represents nothing more than the beginning of the "Marketing of Things".

      At the same time, once marketeers get their hands on things, they have generally landed in some way. So, although the term annoys me, it may be a precursor of good things to come. Aside from the annoying sales and marketing babble that will be accompanying it, of course.

    17. Re:Really? by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      When I hear "Internet of Things", I think, "Twitter Enabled Refrigerator"

      It's that too, but that's not what the (more serious) suits are excited about. The suits are typically excited about increasing profits for stuff that already exists, or about new business to business inventions.

      Imagine for instance connecting everything in a factory in such a way that you can sit at a screen in a control room and detect or predict problems ahead of time. You could also have a risk function that quantifies risk. Sensors might for instance detect weak but unusual vibrations in a machine. Other sensors might detect that you only have spares in stock for one repair of that machine. The risk function has a model of how the factory works and the model shows that the machine is vital and that production will be significantly reduced if it breaks down, which means that you're looking at a fairly high economic risk. The system could then suggest potential fixes, like stocking up on more spares, or running the machine more slowly until the next scheduled maintenance.

      I think this sort of setup is already in place in many factories, but it will get more common and more advanced in the future.

    18. Re:Really? by NotSanguine · · Score: 2

      When I hear "Internet of Things", I think, "Twitter Enabled Refrigerator"

      It's that too, but that's not what the (more serious) suits are excited about. The suits are typically excited about increasing profits for stuff that already exists, or about new business to business inventions.

      Imagine for instance connecting everything in a factory in such a way that you can sit at a screen in a control room and detect or predict problems ahead of time. You could also have a risk function that quantifies risk. Sensors might for instance detect weak but unusual vibrations in a machine. Other sensors might detect that you only have spares in stock for one repair of that machine. The risk function has a model of how the factory works and the model shows that the machine is vital and that production will be significantly reduced if it breaks down, which means that you're looking at a fairly high economic risk. The system could then suggest potential fixes, like stocking up on more spares, or running the machine more slowly until the next scheduled maintenance.

      I think this sort of setup is already in place in many factories, but it will get more common and more advanced in the future.

      Actually, what I think have the "suits" excited is the ability to things like identify what's in your refrigerator at any given time so they can send targeted ads to your (tracked) mobile device to buy crap you don't want while you're buying stuff you need. And to monitor your video/audio consumption habits for similar reasons (seamless ad insertion, product placements, etc., etc.).

      When anything and everything can send data to the Internet, who do you think will be receiving such data?

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    19. Re:Really? by orasio · · Score: 1

      Networked is not the same. Internet connected or something like that might be better.
      Also, networked _might_ imply wired for some, while IoT is more in the line of wireless, standalone.
      Internet enabled is good, but already means other old, unrelated things.

      It is a new trend, that is actually gaining some momentum right now, cheap systems on chip, BLE, and stuff, and it needs a name, so others what you are talking about. IoT is as good a name as any other. It doesn't really bother me, even if it's silly.

      No reason to keep whining about it. There are possibly tens of thousands of tech people reading this today, if you have a better name, descriptive, not stupid, or whatever, please share it, below the line ----v , we might like it, start using it instead of IoT, and it just might catch on.
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    20. Re:Really? by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      Actually, what I think have the "suits" excited is the ability to things like identify what's in your refrigerator at any given time so they can send targeted ads to your (tracked) mobile device to buy crap you don't want while you're buying stuff you need. And to monitor your video/audio consumption habits for similar reasons (seamless ad insertion, product placements, etc., etc.).

      When anything and everything can send data to the Internet, who do you think will be receiving such data?

      That is mainly a problem if you sign up to get something for free. I don't expect that a company that makes 50 bucks net profit off of a fridge is going to risk their reputation in order to make a tiny bit more money by selling my data.

      I'm more worried that the NSA would hack into an accelerometer intended to detect vibrations of the compressor and use it as a microphone to spy on my kitchen.

    21. Re:Really? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IP cameras are an internet of servers. IoT is having your things talk to each other, and contact the human later. Your camera has motion sensing to trigger recording. Your recording trigger triggers lights. Your lights trigger your electric meter to do something. Your home server is notified of all the activity, and on Tuesdays between 5 and 6 turns on the oven, in preparation of the night's meal. But only if you come home between 5 and 6. If you are later than that, you did something else. If you were earlier, then you can get the damned oven yourself.

      IoT isn't the server-client model of your web-cameras. It's the 1995 idea of barcode scanners on every fridge that re-ordered milk when you ran out.

      If your things talk to you, it's server-client. If your things talk about you, then it's IoT.

    22. Re:Really? by NotSanguine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That is mainly a problem if you sign up to get something for free. I don't expect that a company that makes 50 bucks net profit off of a fridge is going to risk their reputation in order to make a tiny bit more money by selling my data.

      I'm more worried that the NSA would hack into an accelerometer intended to detect vibrations of the compressor and use it as a microphone to spy on my kitchen.

      If you think that manufacturers have such small profit margins, you're kidding yourself. And cross-licensing deals with big data aggregators could be huge money for that scum.

      Also, those scenarios aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, friend.

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    23. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Singularity takes customer complaints very seriously, and is pleased to announce IoT 2.0: now with 50% less automated murdering!

    24. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think Web 5.0 will be called The Cloud of Things or simply The CloudThingNet, or the ThingNet
      seeing as....

      Web 2.0 was about user feedback and social media; Web 3.0 was about application-rich web content,
      and Web 4.0 was about Cloud computing.

      After the singularity, it will be about killing all humans, so let's just go ahead and call it SkyNet.

    25. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shill says shilled product is the "next big thing," let's listen!

      With apologies to Mark Twain, rumors of the ascendancy of the IoT are, at best, premature and more likely highly exaggerated.

    26. Re: Really? by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      I'm sympathetic to the marketroids on this one. Most people think a "computer" is a thing with a keyboard and display (hence the strange confusion over whether a phone or tablet is a "computer"). And people do understand that a network is a way for computers to talk to each other.

      But the idea that you might have a microprocessor in a light bulb is plain weird to most people, hence the new name. And at least it's better than "the washing machine network". Now if only they would turn their thinking caps to the part where you actually think up uses for networked frogs that normal people care about....

      As for "cloud", yeah, that's a perfectly good technical term stretched and abused by marketards. At least it bears some resemblance to its original meaning (unlike, say, "broadband", much less "narrowband" -- you mean "baseband" you fuckwits).

    27. Re:Really? by AaronLS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your effort to specify the internet-of-things as a well defined set is noble, but I wouldn't give the term that much credit. It's already a mushy buzzword that spills over into other technologies, and despite anyone's best efforts will never be used in any consistent manner. It overlaps everything from home automation, to remote crowd sensing, to simple devices that act as their own servers.

      Your definition takes things touted as an internet-of-things and places them outside of that. The thermostats being called part of the internet-of-things are nothing more than a server that you can connect to remotely and control, and include some "smart" functions to make energy use more efficient. Many of them do not implement any standard home automation protocols that would allow the integration you speak of. In this respect they are just a standlone server you connect to with your phone/computer as a client.

      Your definition basically narrows it down to things that communicate in a peer to peer fashion, no different than what existing home automation protocols do. "Internet-of-things" is just a buzzword that is popularizing what has already been possible for quite awhile. Oh yes, your camera senses motion and triggers lights? Guess what, there's already a standard for that that predates the internet-of-things concept.

      Additionally, your definition of IP cameras either falls into or out of your definition of internet-of-things depending on how you use them. Yes they can act as a standalone server, not different than remotely accessible thermostats. Often you network them to a server and manage/monitor them remotely through the server. Otherwise it would be maddening to access every single device separately.

      Additionally some support home automation protocols such as X10, which places them squarely into your definition of IoT because that allows them to be integrated with other devices in exactly the way you describe. Some cameras are poor at motion detection, and so you can rig recording/notifications of the cameras based on a dedicated motion sensor device.

      IoT will fall into the same trap as a cloud computing. The terminology will be vastly misused to market things which cover very different paradigms.

    28. Re:Really? by AaronLS · · Score: 2

      You're certainly right. If anything that's why they're bad, because now those same suit wearing people are spending money on anything/everything called "cloud" even though many of those things aren't within the strict definition of cloud computing, and thus don't offer the actual benefits that true cloud computing offers.

    29. Re:Really? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Exactly! IoT is a terminology for suit-wearing people so they can agree on almost what they are talking about when they decide to invest some money in a startup. I don't know why everyone seems surprised, upsetted or annoyed by this new terminology. This is the whole story of the Information Technology since the ages. Why are they expecting something different here?

      My mayor loves IoT because he can talk about something he doesn't understand but have a fuzzy image of what it is and how it could help improve management of certain city services. It is handy for him, he doesn't need to try to explain anything, those who really understand IoT know this is just a convenient terminology.

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      Hop!
    30. Re:Really? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Your effort to specify the internet-of-things as a well defined set is noble, but I wouldn't give the term that much credit. It's already a mushy buzzword that spills over into other technologies, and despite anyone's best efforts will never be used in any consistent manner. It overlaps everything from home automation, to remote crowd sensing, to simple devices that act as their own servers.

      You are confusing the definition of the word with the use of the word. They can be directly conflicting and still both be valid. Ask an Electrical Engineer working on signal processing the definition of "broadband" and the answer will be directyl contradictory to the FCC's definition. I've used a 100Gbps connection that was "technically" baseband, not broadband. And I've used a 14.4 kbps modem that was technically "broadband" (both by the EE definition), while the FCC would reverse those definition.

      IoT is defined as internet connected things talking to eachother, without needing a human or central server to poll them. IoT is "new" because it is neither a client, nor a server. The IoT O2 sensor in your car will be a server when a problem is detected, and a client when the daily maintenance is performed.

      This is not unlike the IP cam example, where it's a client if a human logs in to look live, and a server when it FTP offloads the footage to the NAS for later review. But in practice, the NAS is a part of the camera, not part of a larger network for this function, and could (theoretically) be directly attached with no change in functionality. And the human is required to manually log in to use it remotely. The level of connectivity to things is what makes the difference. With the "old" device-connected Internet, you had to log into every individual device to do anything with it or use it in any way. You log into the camera to see live feeds. You log into the NAS to view stored footage. The camera isn't tied to an alarm system (I saw some that were alarm capable, all hard-wired, none IP-connected to alarms). The IoT cam would have an open API and would be able to notify any arbitrary system directly on event. Motion sensor triggers, turn on lights, ask the locks if they are locked, open the garage door, lock the pet doors, turn on the spa pool, whatever. Tying an old IP cam (from 10 years ago), you could hard-wire it to a home automation server, but then the home automation server did all the work. The things didn't talk to each other. The things were sensors to a server.

      The IoT is a minor change in that the sensors are now their own servers. This allows a flexibility that before wasn't possible.

      IoT will fall into the same trap as a cloud computing. The terminology will be vastly misused to market things which cover very different paradigms.

      Just because it's misused doesn't mean it isn't real. The first "cloud" was called "mainframe". The second was called "Citrix". The third, "hosted web services". The fourth "Virtualization". Then, someone decided that coming up with new terms for the same thing over and over was confusing. Call it a "cloud". Cloud isn't new. It's a 50 year old idea with a new name. I've managed to sell cloud services by stating it that way (no, I'm not in sales, but I work for a networking company that also hosts servers and services).

      Your definition basically narrows it down to things that communicate in a peer to peer fashion, no different than what existing home automation protocols do. "Internet-of-things" is just a buzzword that is popularizing what has already been possible for quite awhile. Oh yes, your camera senses motion and triggers lights? Guess what, there's already a standard for that that predates the internet-of-things concept.

      The IoT was first coined when someone talked about applying the home automation model to everything. Why not do that on a factory floor? In a car? For an entire city? This Internet of Things could

    31. Re:Really? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that would be descriptive, and descriptiveness has never been all that compatible with buzz.

    32. Re:Really? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Like 'cloud', it is not that people don't get it, it is that many are annoyed about a trendy new term for an existing pattern. It reeks of marketing rather than engineering, designed to play on ignorance and poetic imagery then be descriptive.

    33. Re:Really? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There's no difference in turning on your blender in Texas from Singapore than turning it on from the next room while laying on the couch.

      Unless the connection goes down before you turn the bugger off.

      Dead-man timeout, you say? LOLELEVENTYONES! What's that burning smell?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    34. Re:Really? by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      "The level of connectivity to things is what makes the difference."

      I made that distinction already in the different deployments of IP cameras. They are perfectly capable of this and have been used in this way utilizing automation protocols.

      "IoT is defined as internet connected things talking to eachother, without needing a human or central server to poll them"

      Many automation protocols are peer-to-peer and do not require polling. Some IP cameras can be deployed along side other protocol compliant devices in this matter. Again, as I said before, IoT is just a broad term for a specific type of deployment of devices that have been around long before IoT.

      "IoT is "new" because it is neither a client, nor a server"

      If that's what you are saying makes IoT new, then it is not new. There are already non-client/server home automation devices that integrate in a peer-to-peer fashion using home automation protocols.

      At one point you say it's distinct concept because it's being applied outside of the home. Then here you make the statement that it is new and distinct simply because of the lack of a client-server architecture.

      "You are confusing the definition of the word with the use of the word."

      No I'm not. I clearly demonstrated my awareness that the strict definition of the phrase versus the general usage of the word are different. We simply differ in our opinions of whether this discrepancy is bad or not. You sir, are confused on the distinction between having an understanding of something, and simply differing in the opinion of whether that distinction is potentially bad. I understand the difference, I just think the huge gap between how it is used and what it truly means will result in it being a mushy buzzword that will be misused. Even among academia, I'm sure if you asked for a strict definition of IoT, you will get vastly different answer tailored to whatever pet project that professor is working on.

      The bottom line:
      When there is a gap between strict technical definition, and general usage, within this gap are included things which do or do not fall within the technical definition. Thus you have parasites that are being unwittingly promoted, but which have none of the actual benefits that true IoT would have.

      It will be no less cringe worthy than hearing some non-techy rambling about cloud computing, all the while lumping in things that are in no way part of that paradigm and thus carry none of the benefits.

      "The IoT was first coined when someone talked about applying the home automation model to everything. Why not do that on a factory floor? In a car? For an entire city?"

      Never once did I argue against the actual implementation of any of these things, not to mention that it's already been going on for awhile in some factories in the absence of talking heads rambling on about IoT. To take your approach, you are confused about the distinction between arguing the legitimacy of terminology, versus arguing the actual implementation of a pre-existing concept by a new name.

      Some of your other points would merit a response, but the above is just a sample of how this discussion is bound to just go in circles. You are ignoring points I made, saying I'm confused about things I already demonstrated a distinct understanding of, and trying to introduce entirely unrelated arguments. Any more of this just looks like two people talking at each other with their hands over their ears.

    35. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laymans don't understand it, experts understand and don't need it. It doesn't need to exist. Shorthand fail.

    36. Re:Really? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      But I don't have any IP cameras. I don't want anything triggering the lights except me turning on the switch. I don't have a home server, and if I did have one, I certainly wouldn't want it turning on the oven. I know whether I plan to bake something, and it doesn't. Barcode scanners on refrigerators were a silly idea in 1995, and the idea hasn't gotten any less silly just because it's now wireless.

      This all sounds like a solution in search of a problem. It doesn't make my life better. The default for any product should be that it isn't networked unless there's a really good reason that it needs to be. At least that way I don't have to worry about hackers breaking into.

      --
      "I'm too busy to research this and form an educated opinion, but I do have time to tell everyone my uninformed opinion."
    37. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buzzword bingo. There used to be "clicks" vs "bricks and mortar" to refer to online sellers vs. traditional shops
      "snail mail" to refer to physical delivery of items, "thinking out of the box", "24/7"

      Back in the 1980's, it was only workstations and servers that had LAN/WAN cards. Then PC's got NIC's as well.
      That became standard on laptops. Then they got wi-fi, and that chip logic became embedded on SoC's.
      Thus the IoT becomes a reality.

    38. Re:Really? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So you will be dragged into the future kicking and screaming. Got it. The only curiosity is why you are so proud of being a Luddite? Are you also the guy who constantly tells everyone that he doesn't own a TV?

    39. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet Cloudy Tuby Thingy

    40. Re:Really? by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      That's right, no TV and proud of it! I only watch what I can stream over the internet. :) Which these days is almost everything.

      (Actually I do own a TV, but not to watch TV programs. The only things connected to it are various game consoles.)

      You know, just because someone sees no value in the particular technology you're trying to hype, it doesn't automatically follow that they're a "Luddite" who has to be "dragged into the future kicking and screaming." Sometimes it's because the hype really is just hype. The burden is on you to present reasoned arguments for why your shiny new technology really will be useful to me, and not just resort to name calling.

      --
      "I'm too busy to research this and form an educated opinion, but I do have time to tell everyone my uninformed opinion."
    41. Re:Really? by Livius · · Score: 1

      The Internet of Things really *is* the next big buzzword.

      In real life, there's nothing impressive or even interesting about it, but....

      Actually, no, even as a slogan it's already got old.

    42. Re:Really? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There's no burden on me to present any reasoned arguments. I'll just present the truth. Just because you don't like the truth (that you grew into a grumpy old Luddite) doesn't mean that I'm required to prove any specific points.

      The amusing thing is that if you aren't really a Luddite, you will soon own an IoT item, if you don't already, and even if you are a Luddite and avoid anything that might be IoT-ish, you'll still use the IoT items of others. Some of the doors on stores are already IoT, so you may have already used them, even without knowing.

  2. Lord, save me from buzzwords by halivar · · Score: 2

    Yeah, bluetooth is cool. Everything's connected. I can control my toaster with my Harmony remote. But this is NOT bigger than the internet.

    1. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      My favourite thing with Bluetooth connections is when you connect all you get are codewords. Holding a phone and a speaker. Go to pair them and suddenly the speaker is actually a 947842v.2. WTF?

    2. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lord save me from dimwitted economists and "analysts" who haven't got a fucking clue...

    3. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by boristdog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I have had a coffee maker for 20 years that will make my coffee 10 minutes before my alarm goes off and I will have hot coffee in the morning.
      I rarely use that feature, even though it is awesome and only requires me to dump in coffee grounds and push a button at night. Otherwise I have to do that and wait 10 minutes for my coffee in the morning. Big whoop.

      So why would I use 95% of the promised IoT benefits, most of which are not as awesome as having hot, fresh coffee first thing in the morning. How lazy am I supposed to be?

      Yes, there are some cool things which I will use in the IoT, but most of what is touted as revolutionary is just stuff that isn't hard to do anyway.

    4. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The internet of things is not about you talking to your fridge. Why they trot out that tired old bad example...

      It is about eliminating blue collar worker jobs. These are some of the highest paid union jobs (think 150 an hour). Basically these dudes drive out to the middle of nowhere open a panel then do one of two things. They plug in a laptop to it and read some data out. Then call it in. Or the read the data off a panel write it down and drive it back to home base where someone looks it over. Then hopefully go back out with the right part. If not rinse and repeat.

      Instead it is about eliminating 4-8 hours of wait time for the guy making 150 an hour. If possible eliminate their position as now 1 guy can do the work of 3.

      How do I know this? I know the guy who invented that term. I am the one who put the twinkle in his eye with my software. It was pretty flexible but it was not built to do what they are trying to do. It was built to do exactly the use case above. He somehow extrapolated that I could write a conversion system from any databus into another one that the internet of things was 'right around the corner'.

      If you see the big carriers spouting it off? Then they are trying to sell datalines. As at the end of every one of those internet things is a dedicated data line for each thing. They get confused when you talk about consolidators. Then they start talking about consolidator connection fees.

      They are totally missing that the IoT has the potential to implode the way they are doing things today. But they are desperately trying to do it the exact same way 'but with remote computers'.

    5. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by sycodon · · Score: 2

      "Corinthian Leather"!

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      When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    6. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by mlts · · Score: 1

      Of course, there are all the oddball ways of pairing items. Some just pair with the nearest device that is discoverable, some will demand you use "0000" or "1234" for a pairing code.

      Ideally, if the device isn't too small (pairing a BT headset for example), it would be nice to have some form of e-Ink display where when pairing, the device could show its name discoverable by BT as well as a random six digit PIN. Once paired, the display would blank. Ideally, some way of both devices having PINs entered on each, so there is no way a third party could spoof either device.

      Done right, Bluetooth can be decently securable. However, the level of security used in pairing most gewgaws is laughable at best.

    7. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Hi! I'm from $InsertFavoriteBoogymanHere!

      I just pwned your system from a coffee shop in $InsertFavoritePrefix_STAN.

      Thanks for making my day!

      Now you need five while collar workers to secure your blue collar destroying system.

      Progress as promised!

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    8. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I have had a coffee maker for 20 years that will make my coffee 10 minutes before my alarm goes off and I will have hot coffee in the morning.
      I rarely use that feature, even though it is awesome and only requires me to dump in coffee grounds and push a button at night. Otherwise I have to do that and wait 10 minutes for my coffee in the morning. Big whoop.

      So why would I use 95% of the promised IoT benefits, most of which are not as awesome as having hot, fresh coffee first thing in the morning. How lazy am I supposed to be?

      Yes, there are some cool things which I will use in the IoT, but most of what is touted as revolutionary is just stuff that isn't hard to do anyway.

      I bought my house in 1991, and looking to 'populate' it with some furniture (I had been renting before, so had some stuff) I went to some yard sales - one thing I picked up was an original MrCoffee for $1 - no timer, no 'features' other than it brewed coffee. It lasted me 10 years, hard to beat that. When that died I picked up a 'new' one (newer model, same carafe - so I had a spare carafe from my old one) for $20 at Sears... that only lasted 8yrs. So I went back to look and they no longer made the ones using my old-style carafe anymore, everything now has timers and alarm clocks and 'gee whiz' features I could care less about and 'hourglass' shaped carafes and the like, for $50+... nah, I went on ebay and bought 3 old style ones for like $8ea, and put 2 in the attic as spares. They do just what I need them to do, make coffee - c'mon, in the morning I gotta s**t/shower/shave and whatever else, I can't wait 5 minutes for a cup of coffee?

      Of course, probably part of my ongoing effort to slow my life down; cheap nokia 2G cell phone that I'll have to replace one of these days (with 2G going away), but isn't charged 1/2 the time, you need me call my land line and there's a machine; yup, regular coffee maker I have to wait 5 mins for, nbd; got rid of the TV 4 years ago - the little bit I watch, and news, I can do on the computer; rarely play games (RTCW was the last game I played, years ago now); looking to expand my little garden next spring so I can spend more time outdoors, away from 'technology'. I want to enjoy life, not let technology run it; I want to talk to real human "beings", not text/email/etc while constantly "doing".

    9. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1

      Michael Porter graduated first in his mechanical engineering class at Princeton, and has a PhD in economics from Harvard. His book on Competitive Strategy is one of the few texts from my MBA program that I refer to on a regular basis. Your characterization of him as "dimwitted" is laughable.

    10. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Corinthian Leather"!

      That's the *finest* Corinthian Leather, or "quality" Corinthian Leather. It's never to be used without an adjective. ;)

    11. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dumbass. When they talk about increasing productivity, they're not talking about you controlling your toaster with your remote. They're talking about an army of connected sensors on the production floor, delivery trucks, planes, etc and all talking to each other. They're talking about more accurate weather forecasting from distributed barometers in smartphones and other sensors. Thing bigger. Yes, this is going to be big, but not technically bigger than the internet, since it's part of the internet.

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    12. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lord save me from dimwitted economists and "analysts" who haven't got a fucking clue...

      Fortunately or unfortunately Michael E Porter is a huge big deal in academia and outside, being responsible for much of the notion of competitive advantage.

    13. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because he's infallible and not trying to sell you something? More importantly does he have some peer reviewed research to support that premise or is he just pushing a book? Reading this does not instill confidence that he is making any great insights or than spouting more nonsense buzz words. https://hbr.org/2014/11/how-sm...

    14. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 0

      Not dimwitted is not the same as infallible. By your standard, everyone is dimwitted, which is just dimwitted.

    15. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by halivar · · Score: 1

      The Flatheads were well known for spreading their seed about; I would not be surprised if there was a little bit of Lord Dimwit in all of us.

    16. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      part of my ongoing effort to slow my life down

      Maybe try drinking less coffee? /sarcasm>I try not to give advice that I won't follow myself...

    17. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How lazy am I supposed to be?

      Just wait until you drive your personal mining operations by a network of autonomous heavy machinery, like Rio Tinto does.

    18. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.target.com/p/mr-coffee-12-cup-programmable-coffeemaker-black/-/A-14024619?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=google_pla_df&LNM=14024619&CPNG=Appliances&kpid=14024619&LID=3pgs&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=14024619&kpid=14024619&gclid=CMr2tZ3PqsICFcI-MgodaUkAQA

      $24 at Target which matches 2001 pretty well.

      Maybe you need to shop around more. It's probably $20 or less at Walmart.

    19. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.target.com/p/mr-coffee-12-cup-programmable-coffeemaker-black/-/A-14024619?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=google_pla_df&LNM=14024619&CPNG=Appliances&kpid=14024619&LID=3pgs&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=14024619&kpid=14024619&gclid=CMr2tZ3PqsICFcI-MgodaUkAQA

      $24 at Target which matches 2001 pretty well.

      Maybe you need to shop around more. It's probably $20 or less at Walmart.

      I don't need a "programmable" coffee maker, just one more thing to break. And it doesn't take the same glass carafe I now have 2 extras of (would have been 3 but I broke one the other year, first time ever). I shopped around just fine, nothing new I could find will take my existing carafes and/or *didn't* have "programmable" features.

    20. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convince.

      Pretty soon your alarm will track your REM cycle only waking you up at the optimal time, making your day 10% better every day just like that. The alarm will talk to the coffee pot so your steaming hot cup is ready to do the second you walk into the kitchen. Knowing you are running 10 minutes early and you were looking at pictures of the sunrise over the hills a couple days earlier and checking the weather, the system orders your automated electric taxi to pick you up early and take a small detour to provide you with nice scenery. Because you are taking a surface road the traffic system is updated and the entire thing becomes .0001% more efficient.

      You end up showing up to work a bit early bright eyed and bushy tailed with a smile on your face impressing your boss, all because of the internet of things and you only just got started.

    21. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by boristdog · · Score: 1

      But we already do that. I work in a highly automated factory and I've been doing that for the past 15 years.

    22. Re:Lord, save me from buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC here. Yeah we totally do this at my factory too and have been forever. It's one of the simplest ways to guarantee production flow. We've been doing this since the mid 90's

  3. IoT to know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know, too?

    1. Re:IoT to know! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      # It's like raiaiain on your wedding day...

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  4. Simpsons by catchblue22 · · Score: 2

    I for one welcome our new food cooling overlords.

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    This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
  5. ZeniMax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that Carmack and all the other legends have left, ZeniMax should repurpose Id Software as an IoT company.

  6. Right, the IoT by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I did not read the article, I quit reading the IoT articles some time ago. Seems they all revolve around the wonderful new advertising and data collection methods that arise as people adopt the IoT.

    The day my toaster tells me about the great new pop tarts I could be eating, is the day I take a large axe to it and give it a reprogramming it will never forget.

    1. Re:Right, the IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else is there left to do? Technology and resources have solved all major problems and we could easily have 50% unemployment with no negative consequences for anyone. Oops, except for the sociopaths in power who need to see the worms squirming and running around.

    2. Re:Right, the IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but, but, we can put drm on your washing machine!

    3. Re:Right, the IoT by fredrated · · Score: 1

      But what if it tells you the pop tarts you are about to eat have been recalled due to salmonella poisoning?

    4. Re:Right, the IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else is there left to do? Technology and resources have solved all major problems and we could easily have 50% unemployment with no negative consequences for anyone. Oops, except for the sociopaths in power who need to see the worms squirming and running around.

      When the market reaches saturation and pretty much everyone already has everything they really need, you have to either cheapen the products so they break more often (we've already mastered that one, if they broke any more often it'd piss off too many people) or convince people they need the latest and greatest model of the same thing they already have, usually involving new 'features' that don't really do anything all that important but gives them bragging rights that they have the newest/greatest/coolest thing.

      I keep hoping people will stop buying into it all - I still have the washer/dryer that came with my house (been here 23yrs)... they wash/dry clothes - until someone comes up with the robot to separate whites/colors, and swap them from the washer to the dryer, and fold them when they're dry, I don't see much reason to spend money replacing things that work (and are fairly easy to repair, I've replaced the drain pump on the washer and the belt on the dryer in that 23yrs, for maybe $60 total and a little work - not that most people can be 'bothered' to learn how to repair things anymore, they're too 'busy' responding to texts and cell calls and the like).

    5. Re:Right, the IoT by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Still stuck in the (18)90s with that boring old log splitter? You need a new SmartAxe by Spishak! It keeps track of your swings per minute (SPM), live tweets your rain of destruction, and presents you with a curated ad experience for products to replace the ones you've destroyed. The SmartAxe, by Spishak! Because Fuck Cavemen (tm).

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    6. Re:Right, the IoT by stridebird · · Score: 1

      What would happen is that you will ignore the toaster, on account of the number of false positives it has already spewed out in the past.

    7. Re:Right, the IoT by xaotikdesigns · · Score: 1

      Then I will wonder where the RFID tag in the poptarts is located, and what it is going to do in my colon...

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      XDInd
    8. Re:Right, the IoT by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      They are already putting RFID tags on pills, and RFID readers on wastebands.

      Edible RFIDs are old, where have you been? They are also for old people. Gotta make sure the dementia-seniors take their meds.

  7. What is this "IoT"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how does it differ from the Internet currently?

    1. Re:What is this "IoT"? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Funny

      The internet of things has toasters.

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    2. Re:What is this "IoT"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's no punch and pie, I'm not interested. And god help you if you claim there will be punch and pie, and then fail to deliver.

    3. Re:What is this "IoT"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not want to go to the toaster-dailyhaha. They have a sick, sick humour.

  8. Cloud 2: Electric Boogaloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am already sick of hearing about it

  9. Odd by koan · · Score: 1

    I'm going the other direction, being less connected.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Odd by DShard · · Score: 1

      Now I have a hundred devices that are easily hacked because they are never once updated? Yeah, sounds great. Now I can have so random hacker own my house and set it on fire.

    2. Re:Odd by DShard · · Score: 1

      Hell I don't even want smart devices. My fridge has lasted 16 years with zero issues. It's as dumb as a stump.

    3. Re:Odd by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      But Grandpa, you can turn the ice maker on and off with your iPad. Can't you see how much awesomer this is?

    4. Re:Odd by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, it would be nice if my fridge would automatically re-order things I'm running out of and want always stocked.

    5. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the world will start going senile because they don't do these "boring" mental tasks. They'll actually be spending money on fancier devices that do things for them. Dodge that game, and you'll actually be able to enjoy retirement with the money you save while they rot at the Alzheimer's care center.

    6. Re:Odd by Himmy32 · · Score: 1

      As a consequence, you'll have to enter into it how much milk you drank each time and you'll get email and to house advertisements for Chocolate syrup. Your insurance company will give you a discount if you've ordered your veggies 3 times a month. Plus your fridge could get a virus and dispense ice in the middle of the night.

    7. Re:Odd by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      As a consequence, you'll have to enter into it how much milk you drank each time.

      Nonsense, my milk will come in a smart package that automatically reports to the fridge how much is left in the package and an RFID tag so that the smart fridge and smart garbage can will know when I've thrown it away.

      Of course all of this is open to a variety of legal and illegal forms of abuse, but I was only commenting that there is a desireability for some features of the IoT.

  10. IdIoTs by some+old+guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, an article hyping a fork of the internet that is all...hype!

    Let's say 2-10% of the total population use devices to actually control or monitor web-connected appliances. That's not where the market is.

    It's all about the 100% of the population are subjected to an unending bombardment of ads on their refrigerator and microwave screens, based on personal data profiles garnered from same-said appliances associated with other known user info. Universal real-time context-based marketing. SCORE!

    This isn't about technology. It's about marketing, pure and simple.

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    Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
    1. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about all those "a 3D printer will pay for itself in a year" stories and private space colonies and Mars nanotech fuel factories?

    2. Re:IdIoTs by mlts · · Score: 1

      Nail, head, hit.

      As for the "third wave" after computers and the Internet, I can strongly speculate on what that will be... and that will be a run from the Internet on a large scale.

      WANs that are air-gapped from the Internet will be something that is coming our way. Right now, the technology is nascent because previous networks were designed to get stuff connected with security as an afterthought. However, we will be seeing various items split from the Internet, similar to the US's SIPRNet and NIPRNet. Some countries are doing this now -- Cuba, North Korea, China, and Iran all have internal country networks that have firewalling from the Internet.

      This is a good and bad thing. Obviously the bad is censorship, but the good thing is that if a bad guy can't get access to a WAN [1], they can't hack the machines on it.

      A good example of this would be banks and large businesses using a dedicated, leased line topology between their centers. If a company isn't a bank, there will be no access to this backbone WAN. Not to say this is 100% secure, as a blackhat could probably get access somehow, but it is a lot more secure than what is present now, and likely would require a physical presence to create an intrusion.

      As it stands right now, an attacker anywhere in the world has can get to a lot of internal networks... all they have to do is drop internal firewalling or create the right tunnels. By separating WANs fron the Internet, an attacker then has to find an entry point onto that WAN, beat the WAN's security (most likely if two machines are not prearranged to communicate with each other, they will be blocked from doing so), then obtain access to the remote site.

      IoT just doesn't have that ring to consumers. Already, there is pushback and concerns about privacy, even by the people who put their lives on Facebook. A device that is always on and Internet connected will be scrutinized.

      [1]: Especially if it uses actual connections and end to end encryption.

    3. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot of money to be made in marketing. If you want to cash in then pay attention to the IOT. If not then go on your merry way and don't buy a fridge that tells you to drink smooth, wholesome, Welch's brand grape juice.

      Just saying "this is about marketing" and then throwing it in the trash can is the kind of short-sightedness that makes you miss opportunities.

    4. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If home automation can be seamlessly integrated into both your household electronics and your phone, then it could become quite essential (in the same way the internet is). It could be as simple as having your phone always listening to you and you just saying "turn on the TV" or "shut off the lights" and it automatically does it. The technology is very immature right now, so we have to look at it in the same way cell phones were 20 years (solid bricks that only do calls) to what they are now (handheld computers).

    5. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so we have to look at it in the same way cell phones were 20 years (solid bricks that only do calls) to what they are now (handheld computers).

      Or, in other words... they WERE useful and are now a menace to society... especially on the roadways. Good analogy!

    6. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once every house has a 3D printer, imagine the convenience where instead of getting a cheap plastic toy in your cereal, once you put your RFID-enabled cornflakes to your IoT-enabled cupboard it'll automatically connect to your MakerBot account and instruct your 3D printer to make the cheap plastic toy for you. No more dropping cornflakes all over the floor searching for the toy or fumbling around trying to open the cellophane!

    7. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that will not be reality in atleast a hundred years. Things that are supposed to work today do not work. Anything where 2 companies have to have compatible stuff is not compatible today.

      IoT will be frustrating fight to get things to work together and if something does, it'll only work with half the features it was supposed to which means it's not worth the fight. Even if it all worked together perfectly, the reward is pretty small.

      For a home owner it's a little more automatic home, a nice thing to have, but will not happen until it's not a propietary system and is cheap and works perfectly and does not break when you buy that new tv etc. So many features that current tech has goes unused, because of the difficulties using the features and the reward being so small.

      Not to mention all the security problems.

      Calling IoT the 3rd tech wave in 50 years is bullcrap.

    8. Re:IdIoTs by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Except it's not just about marketing, it's also about influence and control of agencies over every aspect of your life. Think of all the doors this opens for control. Example: You can use a web cam to see the contents of your Fridge to know what to order. Someone else wishing to portray you as an alcoholic can look in your fridge and see you have beer and use this for evidence (even if it's not true), and the now mandated Government Health insurance can use the contents of your fridge to deny payments due to your diet.

      Oh I know, that would never happen in the USA where we have already seen internet communications hijacked by governments and mega-corporations right?

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    9. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nail, head, hit.

      Funny, I heard a big whoosh.

      This is a good and bad thing. Obviously the bad is censorship, but the good thing is that if a bad guy can't get access to a WAN [1], they can't hack the machines on it.

      Yeah? Try telling that to the Iranians.

      IoT just doesn't have that ring to consumers. Already, there is pushback and concerns about privacy, even by the people who put their lives on Facebook. A device that is always on and Internet connected will be scrutinized.

      The real pushback (actually, more like a dying, gasping whimper) will come when people stop posting personal information on Facebook et al. Right now, though, it's just too cool for people to tell the world all about themselves on teh interwebz!

    10. Re:IdIoTs by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      IoT isn't about home automation. Home automation has been stagnant since the '90s. The tech was always there. People just didn't want to pay for it. Unlock your door from work because your neice dropped into town unexpectedly is easy, and 20 years old. IoT is about your O2 sensor in your car being linked not just to the engine management system, but the dealer and your smart phone. Have your O2 sensor tell you when you need spark plugs replaced, rather than running rough for a long time waiting for a needed maintenance, or performing maintenance that's not needed.

      The IoT is about saving you money by doing things more efficiently, not about selling you new things.

      Of course, the savings will start on the manufacturing floor first, then hit the homes and products 10+ years later, but the marketers are pushing hard for the home now, despite not having any demand or products for that market.

    11. Re:IdIoTs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^^THIS. MAINTENANCE is a huge ***cost*** in industry of all kinds and a major safety and performance determinant. Many parts have to be replaced before their predicted lifespan expires - just in case! With smarter networked sensor technology, maintenance can be optimized or at least improved.

    12. Re:IdIoTs by JimFive · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell the IoT is about home automation. The reason people don't use home automation is because it isn't easy to set up, it is pricey, and isn't desired, probably in that order.

      As for the car example, is this the O2 sensor that is in the same car that won't tell me why the service engine light just blinked on and off? And is this the same dealer that keeps telling me to change my oil every 3000 miles even though the car oil sensor doesn't come on until 6000 miles and the manufacturer says to rely on the sensor?

      The IoT is about selling people new things. Look at the NEST learning thermostat ads. Replacing your existing programmable thermostat with a retro looking thermostat that can be controlled from your phone and hopefully learns your habits well enough to replicate the programming of the thermostat you replaced.
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    13. Re:IdIoTs by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      As for the car example, is this the O2 sensor that is in the same car that won't tell me why the service engine light just blinked on and off? And is this the same dealer that keeps telling me to change my oil every 3000 miles even though the car oil sensor doesn't come on until 6000 miles and the manufacturer says to rely on the sensor?

      So your argument is that the IoT sucks because dealers lie?

    14. Re:IdIoTs by JimFive · · Score: 1

      No, actually, my argument is that this particular example won't happen because the car manufacturers and their licensed mechanics won't let it.

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    15. Re:IdIoTs by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The car manufacturers are already doing it. Tesla, OnStar and others. Though the ones in use are using closed proprietary call-home functionality, and haven't/won't open it up for the owner to access their own data.

  11. Fad by Himmy32 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I am too much of skeptic, but color me surprised if IoT products take off. What people really want is convenience and IoT devices currently provide less. When you walk into a room to turn on the lights you don't want to get your phone out of your pocket. What use would an IoT fridge or oven provide? I sure don't want to have to program my fridge every time I put in something or take something out, and if I am using my oven I am standing nearby. Do you really need text alerts when your popcorn is done?

    Don't get me wrong there are definite use cases, even if some have small audiences. But I think the suggestion that this is as big of a game changer as the internet is silly. Way back in the 90's when the internet was getting started even then people recognized the usefulness. Being able to have messages sent instantly and be able to give information on topics. No one is nearly as excited to have their remote tell them their lawn mower needs it's oil changed and that they burnt their poptart. Let alone be left in the dark for the night because their light bulb got a virus.

    1. Re:Fad by unimacs · · Score: 1

      No, but you might want to know that your sump just quit working while out of town on vacation. Or you might want a little alarm to go off on the phone next to your bed if it's midnight and the garage door has been left open since 10:00 pm. Even better if you could shut it via the phone rather than having to get out of bed.

      Personally, I'd want to know if 10 windows in the house are open and somebody turned on the AC, or a closet light has been left on since morning.

      I work in the energy efficiency industry and our ability to collect data remotely from sensors monitoring the performance of HVAC and lighting systems in large buildings has saved us a ton of money and time.

    2. Re:Fad by Himmy32 · · Score: 1

      None of these are bad things. But my point also aren't as big as the internet. Again there or some great use cases, sump pump/garage door are great ideas. But imagine your grandma maintaining wiring to all of her windows plus configuring the alerts. It is more time and money than if a window gets left open for an hour on accident, then for a contractor to come out and run cables through the walls configure some network appliance to send reports back to some company who will sell the information . I don't have the personal bandwidth to care about every time someone opens the window to talk to someone outside. Even further the energy that you are going to spend on a network connected closet light is way more than you are going to spend on a 6 watt bulb being on for the night. And I for one don't want to be woken up in the middle of the night if a guest in my house needs a towel and leaves the light on. The 10 cents isn't worth worrying over, it can wait until I walk by and see the light through the crack.

      I know at my work monitoring the systems has yielded some cost savings. Somethings make more sense at an industrial scale and a lot of the tools were there before the IoT fad. I also know that the consumer products will improve and there will be some good ones. Maybe a furnace that lets you know before it fails. Or in college I would have liked to know, if all the washers were in use before hauling my laundry there. But this is no where near as big of a game changer as the internet.

    3. Re:Fad by PaddyM · · Score: 1

      would you pay 1100.00 for a refrigerator without IoT or 900.00 with? how about car insurance for 800.00 a year without IoT or 500.00 a year with? and hey, how come himmy32's fridge never tells NYPD ^H^H^H^H aunt may what he's having for dinner? maybe he's storing something other than food, probable cause and defending society from malnourishment what not.

      I wish I were so wrong.

    4. Re:Fad by unimacs · · Score: 1

      The beauty is that there's no wiring, you don't need a contractor. The kind of system I'm looking at use devices that communicate wirelessly using zigbee or z-wave protocols (not wifi). There have long life LED bulbs with built in wireless capability today. You just screw them in like any other bulb. Yes they are expensive, but costs will come way down.

      I agree these are not something most grandmas are going to use anymore than they would have used a smartphone in 2005 or even today. That doesn't mean there won't be a huge market in the coming years as costs come down and ease of use improves. My mom died 5 years ago having never really used a computer let alone grasped the Internet, but the Internet was still huge and impacted her. Further, one thing that have could have helped her independence later in life was an Internet connected pill dispenser. She had a pill dispenser that we paid a service to keep track of. It would know for example if she hadn't taken her pills on a given day and call one of her family if she didn't. Let me qualify that. It would sort of know. A much better system would have allowed the family to monitor it directly and leave the service out of it. The thing was a bear to program because it had a clunky interface. A web interface would have been much nicer. Incorporating a camera that would capture her removing the pills would have been another improvement.

      That's just scratching the surface. There are all kinds of automation related things that could be done to help people with various disabilities stay in their homes.

      Then there's security. Think about it. People today spend good money on complex and expensive security systems that aren't very user friendly and don't provide near as much convenience as the newer "smart home" products that are becoming available. Home security is where many of these systems will get a foothold. Once they're in the home there is so much more potential.

      Back in the 90's when the public first started venturing out on to the Internet, I doubt many of us realized the potential it had and the ways in would change the world. Think about what something like twitter alone has done.

  12. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was my gut reaction and on more studied reflection - BULLSHIT!

  13. IoT is premature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as mass power outages are a thing, the IoT is pretty irrelevant at this junction. You can talk about wholesale connectivity and power savings of your house power profile with the IoT, when 99.9% of the US does not experience a power outage in terms of years or even a decade. If you tooked at the state of power and connectivity in US with a microscope, you'd laugh at just how fragile we, the US, really are. For all the money involved in these markets, across the US, it's quite a joke actually.

  14. Fvck Harvard, says I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Its productivity potential is so powerful it will deliver a new era of prosperity" -Powered by hype! -TM

  15. This is ridiculous. by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me go through each of the predicted applications of the Internet of Things and see how much, or how little, effect it will have.

    Environmental monitoring - Will protect you from a tsunami once a decade. Otherwise, makes no difference to your life.

    Infrastructure management - Will make your train run a couple percent faster. Barely noticeable.

    Industrial applications - Will let Walmart cut a few more cents off their prices and still make a profit. Barely noticeable.

    Energy management - Will cut a few dollars off your electric bill. Barely noticeable.

    Medical and healthcare systems - Will get you faster to the hospital when certain medical crises occur. May lead to better treatment of some chronic diseases, once a few decades of research is done based on the resulting data.

    Building and home automation - Will change the world just as much as X10 did. Remember them?

    Transport Systems - See infrastructure and industry above.

    Large scale deployments - May save a little money. Unclear what this category even means.

    Compare that to the effects of the internet on business on society. Here are a few of the first ones I can think of:
    - Internet purchases
    - Telecommuting and eased outsourcing
    - Almost replaces the newspaper, travel agent, and snail mail industries
    - Social media as a major activity for most people - formation of new geographically-dispersed communities

    There's just no reasonable comparison. Even the hype for the IoT is smaller than many of the demonstrable effects for the real internet.

    1. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Medical and healthcare systems - Will get you faster to the hospital when certain medical crises occur. May lead to better treatment of some chronic diseases, once a few decades of research is done based on the resulting data.
       
      You obviously have next to no understanding of the healthcare system.
       
      Why not just rail on about big pharma being the devil as you stuff ho-hos into your 300 pound face too?

    2. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that will happen, because advertising is for the benefit of the seller, not the customer.

    3. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are marketing assholes who actually believe they are adding value by solving the search problem for the customer by making their product easy to find. Most simply don't give a shit that they create a massive externality of offensive noise and distraction.

      captcha: Loathe

    4. Re: This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL and your just as guilty as the original poster is. I don't see anything in what you wrote that tells me you have a strong healthcare background. it looks to me as if your a paid shill.

    5. Re:This is ridiculous. by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Industrial applications - Will let Walmart cut a few more cents off their prices and still make a profit. Barely noticeable.

      Retail profit margins are razor thin as it is. The reason they make so much money is the volume. If they can shave a few cents off of each of the billion products they sell each year, that's tens of millions of dollars! That's very noticeable!

      Of all the possible applications for the IoT, industrial applications are by far the most promising for that reason. Some industries are so competitive that successful companies look at fractions of a percent improvements as major investment opportunities. Industries that don't have that kind of high volume, fiercely competitive market, won't invest in this technology. However, the logistics industry is currently investing heavily in this technology.

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    6. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Environmental monitoring - Will protect you from a tsunami once a decade. Otherwise, makes no difference to your life.

      If my life, and the lives of 15-20,000 other people are spared (see death toll of Fukushima Tsunami), then that makes a fairly large difference, economically speaking - if I'm killed when I'm 30, versus living to the ripe old age of 80, and that same pattern plays out across 15,000 other people? An extra 50 years on my life? That certainly makes a difference in MY life, and in the economic and industrial landscape.

      Infrastructure management - Will make your train run a couple percent faster. Barely noticeable.

      And when it makes EVERY train run a couple percent faster, and a couple percent more efficiently, the aggregate gains, again, are large. By focusing on the "individual" impacts, you ignore the very real systemic benefits.

      Industrial applications - Will let Walmart cut a few more cents off their prices and still make a profit. Barely noticeable.

      Energy management - Will cut a few dollars off your electric bill. Barely noticeable.

      And if every one of WalMart's 50 million customers saves a few dollars a year, you consider that negligible? If everybody saves $1 a month on their electric bill, that's a massive savings. Barely noticeable on the individual level, significant savings in the aggregate.

      Medical and healthcare systems - Will get you faster to the hospital when certain medical crises occur. May lead to better treatment of some chronic diseases, once a few decades of research is done based on the resulting data.

      You're thinking way too small. Ambulance and first responder systems that transmit your vitals to the hospital in transit, in real time - allowing the ER that's going to receive your dumb ass to have all the staff, equipment and other materials they need to treat you properly - speeding that up "a few percent" means thousands of lives saved every year. Automated dispensary systems that don't make "human error" mistakes and give you the wrong medication? Another few thousand lives saved. Real-time updated medical records that can be shared with experts around the world who specialize in your condition? Aggregated systems that researchers can mine to quantify best practices by actual observed outcomes? Millions of lives saved in the aggregate.

      Building and home automation - Will change the world just as much as X10 did. Remember them?

      Too early, not enough offered. When houses are built from the ground up to take advantage of automation tech, homes get more efficient, again - saving energy, time, etc. Don't forget the benefits to the handicapped and infirm as well.

      Compare that to the effects of the internet on business on society. Here are a few of the first ones I can think of:
      - Internet purchases
      - Telecommuting and eased outsourcing
      - Almost replaces the newspaper, travel agent, and snail mail industries
      - Social media as a major activity for most people - formation of new geographically-dispersed communities

      Internet purchases? We had mail-order purchases and over-the-phone purchases long before the internet. The internet just gave you a web page for submitting an order... the rest of it existed long before that.

      Telecommuting and outsourcing? Made slightly easier for some industries by the internet... but existed long before the dawn of the internet.

      "replaces" newspaper, travel agent, and snail mail industries? Really? Explain the continued existence of newspapers, travel agents, and snail mail, then.

      Your list of the wonders of the internet are pretty lackluster, friend. If you think about the possibilities of many connected machines interchanging information and yawn, I'd remind you that the Internet itself is really just a bunch of connected machines exchanging information.

    7. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the same thing for 3D printing and watch your karma melt...

  16. Security by Squiggle · · Score: 2

    How does the IoT handle security problems? That seems the biggest stumbling block.

    "Dumb" things have an important advantage in that they can't be hacked and remotely controlled - especially without your knowing.

    The current maintenance nightmare of securing networked devices is already overwhelming (me) and the effects of being hacked are already incredibly expensive. I'm not sure the value gained from IoT is worth it.

    Perhaps if the devices were not update-able and only sent and recieved particular commands... but then you lose some of the value that IoT promises?

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    1. Re:Security by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      The current maintenance nightmare of securing networked devices is already overwhelming (me) and the effects of being hacked are already incredibly expensive. I'm not sure the value gained from IoT is worth it.

      It's only a problem if you care. Just sit back, relax, let us worry about security.

      Sit back, it's OK, really it is. Would you like a nice message? There's an app for that you know.

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    2. Re:Security by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm beginning to think that there basically is no security on the Internet. What security there is is a facade only.

    3. Re:Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will the massage app cure boneitis?

    4. Re:Security by mlts · · Score: 1

      That's the rub... IoT sounds like 1990s thinking where the goal is to get stuff connected, and worry about security later.

      IoT -might- be useful, but what is needed is for a LAN/WAN approach, with a central monitoring device that handles all the local devices, with a hardened external interface, perhaps even an independent NIC that does the firewall rules [1]. The monitoring device would either poll or receive traps from the BlueTooth devices, then handle the info either by sending it to a preconfigured destination or just allow the user to remotely access the monitoring device via a system similar to GoToMeeting.

      With a hardened intermediary in place, the individual device security is less important (assuming they use Bluetooth standard pairing methods.) It is easier to harden a core device than it is to try to secure hundreds of little devices made from China at the lowest price point.

      [1]: A while back, some nVidia motherboard chipsets actually had NICs with firewalling rulesets built in. That way, if the OS got compromised, the NIC would still work at packet filtering (for example, dropping port 25 outgoing so that the machine could not be used for spam, blocking any incoming ports other than a few machines on the LAN, etc.)

    5. Re:Security by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      YEah, I'd prefer an IoT gateway approach too. Use low power radios for comms up to 100m or so, and then a hardened gateway to get you on the LAN or internet.

  17. More insidious than advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA:

    Every product becomes part of a service, and no product will have significance as an independent entity, said Fiona McNeill, global product marketing manager at SAS, an analytics software firm.

    Advertising? That's so 90s!

    No, notice the SAS there.

    What will happen is that your toaster, TV, refrigerator will not work unless they all use the same protocol and you have all three - turned on all the time.

    You will have to sign up for a subscription with a monthly fee and a two year contract - with the same terms you'd have with a cell phone or cable TV provider.

    And of course, it will create an even larger strain on our budgets for all the extra power it will require.

    But the app for your smartphone will be free.

    It's one thing if it's in a manufacturing area where machines can "talk" to one another to streamline production - and automated production lines already do this and have been for years - so, this IoT is nothing new.

    But, if ... when this makes it into the home (there are going to be many people who think it's cool to have their microwave tell their TV that their popcorn is done and flash the message in the corner because their surround sound drowns out the microwave beep.), it's going to further reduce our standard of living. Because while you're spending your money on that crap, your medical, school, fuel and food costs will continue their longterm upward trend.

    tl;dr: This will be used to drain more money out of people's pockets because of their incessant desire for new gadgets that offer very little to the quality of their lives.

    1. Re:More insidious than advertising. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you do popcorn in the microwave it should tell you that you're an utter fucking philistine, that's what.

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    2. Re:More insidious than advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is partially about revenue streams. If people are forced to pay $10 a month so their fridge continues to work, they will, and it also ensures that the end user must keep an Internet connection subscribed.

      It also is about constant tracking. Lets be real, IoT data sent up to a monitoring server will be sold, profiled, and analyzed, and there is nothing the end user can do about it unless the data is never uploaded in the first place, as the TOS/EULA was "signed" the moment that fridge was plugged in and turned on. Eventually there will be a case that hits the press about how a "smart" freezer detected a body put into it and called the cops, which would almost mandate that monitoring tech be in appliances.

    3. Re:More insidious than advertising. by xaotikdesigns · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if you aren't doing it in a giant copper kettle over a fireplace, it's just not good popcorn.

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    4. Re:More insidious than advertising. by Asmodae · · Score: 2

      XBOX Live account required for XBOX branded appliances (terms and conditions apply). Now connect with your friends in whole new ways! Achievement! You made toast today! Achievement! Dinner meals for the week planned. PLUS Voice control features available in any room with an XBOX branded appliance! *ALL XBOX branded appliances must remain connected at all times or your account may be voided.

    5. Re:More insidious than advertising. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Tastes like ash, and more prone to overseasoning. Movie poppers are the proper way.

    6. Re:More insidious than advertising. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Bollocks. Use a decent clean frying pan and stay awake while you're doing it.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    7. Re:More insidious than advertising. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yes, if I don't like it, it's because I did it wrong, not because I just don't like it.

      Care to assign me my favorite color while you are at it?

  18. I cant think of a single thing I own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That needs to be connected that already isn't.

    1. Re:I cant think of a single thing I own by bhv · · Score: 1

      It is about the 2 new refrigerators you will have to choose from when the need arises. Will you be willing to anti up for the model without adverts, even though it might cost you twice as much? Some undoubtedly will but I'm willing to bet that the majority will opt for more features or the cheaper price, feeling like they are getting more for the money.

      We talk a lot about privacy on /. but ultimately is has a price and most are willing to sell it to the highest bidder. (eg. Facebook, your access to it is far from free).

    2. Re:I cant think of a single thing I own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Coward here but my facebook access is Free! I don't use it. Now what they hold on me in a 'shadow' profile may be a different story

  19. 'Age of prosperity' - how? by jandersen · · Score: 2

    ... so powerful it will deliver a new era of prosperity. That's the argument put forth by Michael Porter, ...

    This is not 'an argument', it's a postulate. How does he actually imagine that this fabled 'IoT' (note the fancy capitalisation, an infallible sign that This Is True, for certain values of true). Let's go all the way back to the fundamentals of economy: value is produced by adding labour to natural resources, right? You dig iron ore out of the ground, heat it up and slap it with a hammer - now you have a tool, which is valuable (slightly simplified, I know). Where does the value come from in this IoT? Advertising? Outsourcing? Or does he just mean that the already wealthy will be better able to concentrate what limited wealth there is in their bankaccounts? Value, whichever way you define it, does not come out of thin air and communication.

    Let's hear some real arguments, please.

    1. Re:'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's hear some real arguments, please.

      It does need some concrete examples of how value will be created. Without these, it just sounds like more fad bollocks. Somehow my fridge telling me I'm going to run out of milk doesn't sound like a huge value creator, since I would buy that milk anyway.

    2. Re:'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otoh I can imagine that the iot will create efficiencies in say manufacturing, logistics and supply chain management. But is that really new value or is it just reducing costs?

    3. Re:'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it a pity that criticism of accumulating wealth cannot be sanitized of the moral (if not judicial) guilt of the deaths of tens of millions of people during the twentieth century. It's just as much a pity that selfishness has become a virtue.

      Rand is just as viciously atheistic as Marx, Lenin and Stalin. However, Rand lets you have sex and toys. Ooooh! (moralist hoot-owl style of church ladies)

    4. Re: 'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The value in the Internet of Things comes from the huge swaths of jobs it is intended to eliminate. It has little other purpose and no other value. If, of course, you define value the way a sociopathic business person does. I guess I was a little redundant in that last sentence since 'sociopathic' and 'business person' pretty much go together these days.

    5. Re:'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will buy the milk for you. Again and again, you will then be in debt so it will take out a loan for you , Being depressed about not being able to pay back your loan your self esteem will drop and your fridge will then buy a penis extension to compensate but you still wont be able to perform so you buy Viagra causing you to need another loan.

      It is a virtous circle of capitalism.

    6. Re:'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about frictionless commerce, or streamlining the production process, or some such thing. The TRULY exciting thing is that IOT enables BEFTA delivery. BEFTA stands for "Before you Even Fucking Thought About it". Sensors at your factory will inform sensors at your supplier's factory to deliver parts when your inventory gets low. Needless to say, this will also be cross-checked with sensors at the retail stores that will tell your factory about the products that are actually selling. Cross-checked with UPS and Fedex regarding which of your products have a high-return rate, and cross-checked with sensors in the consumers' homes to know which products are being heavily used (and therefore will need to be replaced soon). It's truly brilliant, and nothing could possibly go wrong!

  20. Will it be as big as Push or the Channel Bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or virtual reality? Maybe cold fusion? Real AI?

    Or maybe take any random cover topic from Wired in the last 15 years...

    1. Re:Will it be as big as Push or the Channel Bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3D printing? Private space colonies? Ooops, we must not mock the current geek "game changer" yet. How much longer until it's clear that we're back to business as usual?

  21. Unix is prepared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It already has an IoT trap.

    man 7 signal:

                  SIGIOT 6 Core IOT trap. A synonym for SIGABRT

  22. On a positive note by JimToo · · Score: 1

    A good portion of my current income comes from helping organisations simplify their data requirements to their needs, improving the performance of their systems as we go.

    The market for this sort of work is growing. Excellent!

  23. Wave, or buzzword bingo? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as I can tell, "Internet of Things" is at present a purely marketing term, and something bandied about by people who are telling us how awesome the future will be and what we'll be using.

    Is it a real thing? Is this what people actually want? Or is this just hype and bullshit?

    Me, I'm more thinking this falls into the category of most forms of prognostication, isn't as inevitable or desired as people think, and a whole bunch of people are making money by talking about "Interwebs of Stuff".

    It's hard not to see this as so much marketing crap, and something for the analysts to talk about that, as usual, they have no idea if it's real or not but need to sell their services.

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    1. Re:Wave, or buzzword bingo? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      The problem is that making a "smart" appliance adds too much cost in a market where most people can't take any advantage of it. As long as you need special everything, it's just not worth it. Part of the problem is that everything needs its own wireless module, which aren't trivial and instantly brings all sort of funny hacking scenarios into play. Ideally you'd have some kind of "smart wiring" which hooks everything straight to a home central, that way even a really cheap micro-controller could do the job and vendors could start throwing it in for free in all models. Particularly for the trivial tasks like a lamp letting you turn it on/off/dim it, an oven letting you set the power, the microwave and dishwasher and washing machine giving you a countdown for when it's done and so on, simple alerts like a refrigerator or freezer sounding an alarm if the temperature is too high.

      And it needs to be some kind of open, universal standard. Anything you plug into the system should just tell the central what API it exposes and can do, if it doesn't work seamlessly it's not worth doing. I'd have to be able to go to "my home" page on my smart phone and have everything listed. All the systems that are trying to be too smart just ends up being more effort, I don't want my refridgerator to keep inventory, or rather it'd force me to scan everything to keep its inventory. A smart washing machine still means I have to put the clothes in and take the clothes out, it's not worth trying to find more value that just isn't there. It's really just the ultimate remote control, but it's not more than that either really.

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  24. loT stands for Lot of Trolls? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

    Okay, I admit I replaced intentionally the I by a l to make this joke working. Neverthless, it seems obvious the IoT evades many of us. It is not about toasters, coffemakers and fridges on the Internet. It can be, but it is probably not where this will be useful to anyone. In fact, the article mentioned bad usage of IoT and warn readers against overengineering it into products. The mass market isn't probably the first market for IoT. Think about monitoring infrastructures and make them smarts after analyzing the data in real time. Can you make a better usage of the infrastructures to avoid the cost of building more infrastructures or costly infrastructures that will not have the expected impact? Provided the Western countries will have to spend litterally trillions of dollars on infrastructures in the next decades, it worth thinking about it and how they can be made smarter. The toy example of the toaster is not an appropriate one understand to potential impact of the IoT.

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  25. The only thing driving innovation now is the Internet of Pr0n.

  26. Oh it WILL have way more impact by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Way more than the internet, dot.com, the cloud and all that jazz combined. With idiots buying some new appliances 'cause they are now "all connected" and manufacturers not giving half a shit about making them secure in any way, with a government thrown in that wants to regulate everything and anything you do, say and think and just waiting for an excuse to regulate the living shit out of anything internet related, this WILL have way more impact on our lives than anything that came before.

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    1. Re:Oh it WILL have way more impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly my thoughts.
      Any so called 'connected' bits of kit that find their way into my house will just not be connected.
      If they won't work because of that I'll just get my money back.
      As Someone who has been automating stuff since 1976 I am fully aware of the risks and I'm just not prepared to take the risk.
      Plus, I don't want Google and the world that I've just removed a bottle of Chablis from my Fridge at 6pm of a Friday Night.

  27. Well, I think it's neat... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Imagine, a vast collection of Things connected electronically! Maybe next we can have an Internet of Itts!

  28. Responsibility by aaronb1138 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is all fine and dandy as long as a few simple requirements are well understood by the technology implementers.
    1) Legal liability for appliances and their cock ups is handled in much the same way as it is now.
    If my toaster starts a fire and burns down my house, the insurance cuts me a check immediately while they handle the legal battle with GE (toaster manufacturer) and UL (Underwriters Laboratory who signed off on the device safety). The same legal protections for technology in appliances should be in effect. If my dishwasher gets malware (or just includes it by default) and causes my refrigerator to stop working and spoil my food, the insurance cuts me a check for my losses and to replace the defective appliances, and handles the legal issues.
    2) Device interoperability needs to be as easy as antiquated analog systems.
    You could hook up a TV with RCA or coax connections and be watching off a VCR or DVD player in minutes. It's ridiculous that HDMI is rarely so straightforward (it occasionally works this simply). Resolution, aspect ratio, audio stream selection, and DRM phone home setup is retarded.
    3) Pick a device class to be the central hub, management, and gatekeeper. I suggest home wifi routers or a cheap, simple network bridge device.
    4) Full control of permissions and actions by devices with simple to understand language.
    If I don't want my washing machine downloading ads for Tide and Purex, it better f---ing not download ads. Same goes for usage tracking uploads.
    5) Power usage should not significantly go up. If anything, connected devices should be able to lend clues as to how little changes can make my home greener and/or lower utility bills. Example: washing machine suggests running wash cycle at 8 PM to get out of peak usage billing. It sends me an SMS if I select, to let me know to put the clothes into the dryer.
    6) Device electronics / control should be isolated to prevent the additional complication from increasing failure rate.
    It's stupid, bad engineering that the more features a home appliance has, i.e. the more premium it is, the more consumers see failures. If the toaster can't get online, it better still make my toast when I press the button.

    1. Re:Responsibility by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      I should clarify that although all of my examples stem from the perspective of consumer devices in the home, they should equally apply to the implementation of industrial, infrastructure, and similar commercial systems.

    2. Re:Responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's stupid, bad engineering that the more features a home appliance has, i.e. the more premium it is, the more consumers see failures. If the toaster can't get online, it better still make my toast when I press the button.

      Forget about your damn toaster! I have a new car with a keyless ignition. Lately it has been claiming that the key ID is incorrect (or "no key detected") and refusing to start the car. How about we fix that unholy abomination first?

    3. Re:Responsibility by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      I have an earlier model G35, and as much as I would like to have the push button start option, I fear exactly that. So far I think only a couple members of a local club have had to deal with it, though I hear it is more prevalent with some of the SUVs.

      This does coincide with the BMW and similar thefts due to remote hacking. It's unacceptable and either the manufactures should be footing the bill directly or paying an underwriter to take responsibility for security mistakes.

  29. Too early to tell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all the blurb should say "constraints" not "constrains". Second, its closer to 1985 with the rapid development and adoption of personal computers. That's what's similar to now. And Third, its too early to tell. You can't be at the beginning of something and say "this is the beginning of the wave". Because you don't know. If you look at the ocean, for every really huge gigantic wave, there are 1000 really big waves, 1000000 big waves, 1000000000 largish sized waves, and 1000000000000 medium/smallish sized waves. And at the beginning, they all look the same.

  30. lol by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Salesman says "This thing I'm selling is the next big thing!!"
    Slashdot editors fall for it.

    l

  31. Contraction not abbreviation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought "IoT" was was a contraction of "Id10T"
     

    1. Re:Contraction not abbreviation by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      It isn't?

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  32. obvious (ab)use case : by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    I have to admit, it would be nice if my fridge would automatically re-order things I'm running out of and want always stocked.

    I would not be nice if my fridge ordered 50,000 pizzas because the script kiddie down the block H@XX0R3D some NSA-mandated vulnerability.
    /IoT

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  33. it's netbooks and smartwatches all over again by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    This is just marketing nonsense. Everyone with a brain knew netbooks were NOT the biggest new thing and a shift in computers. Nobody wanted a laptop that had a higher failure rate, was slower, was harder to type on, and had a miniature screen that nobody could read. They died after about 2 years of being popular. Now every pawn shop is flooded with them.

    Smartwatches died after about 5 minutes of pretending to be popular for the same reason. They're neat and cheap and futuristic but OOPS nobody wants them.

    As soon as someone's smartfridge is hacked to send spam, their pacemaker is susceptible to getting hacked, and the a bad firmware flash bricks their toaster and someone drives off with their Lexus after 60 seconds of standing near it with a laptop, the alleged Internet of Things will turn back into the internet of actual computers. Oh wait, that last one is happening right now. And Sync is about to be illegal in cars in most states. Come to think of it, Slashdot covered a smartfridge that was hacked to be a spam server. Oh that's right, Dick Cheney had his pacemaker swapped out for a new one because it was susceptible to remote hacking. I'm sure a smart toaster got bricked somewhere too so kiss the IoT goodbye.

    1. Re:it's netbooks and smartwatches all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the tablet boom has been said to be over. Laptops are not going away.

  34. Thank God! ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Its productivity potential is so powerful it will deliver a new era of prosperity.

    ... Michael Porter isn't over-selling it. /sarcasm I imagine that his company has a vested interest in the IoT, so he's totally objective.

    Seriously, how did we, as a species, ever get by without an Internet-connected refrigerator that can track milk usage? Or a WiFi thermostat? Like a fool, I've simply set mine to a low of 70 and high of 78, letting my 16 SEER heat-pump auto-switch as needed. Curse my short-sightedness; I have been blinded by my comfortable room temperatures!!

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    1. Re:Thank God! ... by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      ... Michael Porter isn't over-selling it. /sarcasm I imagine that his company has a vested interest in the IoT, so he's totally objective.

      Well, to be fair, Michael Porter isn't selling anything. Didn't you read the headline? Harvard said all this stuff.

      I share your General Meh** for the coming <blink>Internet of Things</blink>, but I'm really excited for the coming era of ubiquitous corporate anthropomorphism.

      **You know, the legendarily indifferent warlord with the awesome chicken.

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  35. Michael Porter is always saying crazy things by gelfling · · Score: 1

    He must have a book to sell or a consulting gig with Obama.

  36. IoT = Internet of Trolls by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    The things that need sensors to operate properly and or safely already have them.

    Things that don't at best stand to benefit only marginally and at questionable ROI to their users.

    The only point of salivating over IoT is selling gimmicks and excuses to spy on everyone and everything for profit. To quote TFA "and after-sale service and by creating the need for new activities such as product data analytics and security."

    How does the customer benefit from that? They don't... was never the point.

  37. They're pushing it so hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're pushing it so hard. They've totally run out of ideas. They've dug to the bottom of the barrel, and all they've found is fascist surveillance and built-in obsolescence. We've seen the future, and it's foreign slaves pumping pollutants into their rivers while making products. It's Western slaves working 60 hours a week or putting off other things to afford said products. It's like Orwell said--a boot on your neck, that's the future. Fuck them and their IoT. Got to Hell and eat rotten fish.

  38. Killer app by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    I sure hope I can use the IoT to control a monorail!

  39. really? because I think it SUCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who wants an internet connected toilet that automatically retweets the color and consistency of your latest excretion and cross references it against WebMD? (ok maybe it would go OK in Japan)

  40. IoT is NOT new. by Chas · · Score: 1

    It's simply the latest wave of the "On the Internet!" fad.

    Viewing webpages ON THE INTERNET
    Watching movies ON THE INTERNET
    Banking ON THE INTERNET
    Buying dog food ON THE INTERNET
    Your car ON THE INTERNET
    Your refrigerator ON THE INTERNET
    Your thermostat ON THE INTERNET
    Your toilet ON THE INTERNET

    While the gear geek in me thinks "Cool! We can do that!"
    The rest of me really, SERIOUSLY questions other ramifications brought on by "Everything ON THE INTERNET". Like privacy. And security.

    Think of "Your security system ON THE INTERNET". Now think of a tech-savvy burglar. They basically use your own house to recon you. Figure out when you're out, then hit you by opening the doors for themselves.

    Or, if you REALLY wanna shit your pants, do the "Your pacemaker ON THE INTERNET" thought experiment.

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    1. Re:IoT is NOT new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why is your pacemaker directly on the internet? why is any of this stuff directly on the internet? Grandpa tapping his phone against his chest so the pacemaker can upload to his phone to send to his doctor would be neat. and make it so the pacemaker can only recieve instructions from a secure device at the Cardiologist's office.

      nobody is saying set your toilet to send a tweet everytime you drop a deuce and do a chemical analysis on it (though the chem analysis may be handy from a health perspective in a hospital)

    2. Re:IoT is NOT new. by Chas · · Score: 1

      why is your pacemaker directly on the internet? why is any of this stuff directly on the internet? Grandpa tapping his phone against his chest so the pacemaker can upload to his phone to send to his doctor would be neat. and make it so the pacemaker can only recieve instructions from a secure device at the Cardiologist's office.

      nobody is saying set your toilet to send a tweet everytime you drop a deuce and do a chemical analysis on it (though the chem analysis may be handy from a health perspective in a hospital)

      That's the thing, that's IS what they're saying. Everything online.

      Without really stopping to ask if the stuff BELONGS online in the first place, what data it could be bleeding, and what kind of consequences there are to security breaches.

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  41. What a bunch of Luddites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's hilarious how the next big thing in technology brings out the Luddites. If you think there are a lot of applications for the Internet, imagine increasing the number of connected devices by orders of magnitude. These will be connected securely and will enhance our quality of life. It's already happening. You guys are just too enamored with the latest gizmo or app to know it. When your car sends diagnostic data to the automaker (which it does -- now) and the car company uses this aggregated data to improve their product, you benefit. But whatever. Go back to thinking SnapChat is clever. The real brains will move the world forward for you.

    1. Re:What a bunch of Luddites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TWEET@101OMFG: OMFG, #AC has yellowish fluffy turds at an elevated temperature that suggest fever or illness RT #Smarttoilets #ACShit

  42. More accurate: PoT by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    the Panopticon of Things.

  43. I Have Doubts by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    In order for people in a nation to support a market place two things are required. The people must have disposable income and leisure time available. Sadly we are living in a time in the US where most people have less and less disposable income and either have way too much liesure time or way too little liesure time. We can assume the unemployed won't be getting "things" very much at all. And those that work anywhere near minimum wage won't be buying much either. And it is not a tax problem as politicians would have you believe. It is the cost of basic survival is too high and the wealth the rich have been allowed to accumulate has ruined the economy. Yes we do need a fair minimum wage and we also need a maximum wage and earnings limit as well. Failure to do this will result in some sort of revolution which may already be under way. Every crime has an element of rebellion against government in it and every arrest costs the tax payer more money. The downward path is chiseled in rock for all to see.

    1. Re:I Have Doubts by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      Also, the prosperity gains from the previous transformations seem to be pretty short lived. It's almost as if those at the top rig the system so they get all the benefits.

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  44. 'Age of prosperity' - how? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Porter's been blathering on for decades. Once a term makes it to the Harvard "Business School" you can be pretty sure there's no content in it.

  45. IoT security? by adameros · · Score: 1

    When all out electronic devices are online, will North Korea be able to turn off all our refrigerators and spoil a whole nations worth of food as easily as it stole Sony Pictures digital assets?

  46. IoT goes hand in hand with IPV6 by Dareth · · Score: 2

    Once everything can get a public IP, you can do cool things like ping your grandfather's pace maker....

    ping grandpa .... ...
    No response.

    "GRANDPA!!!!!"

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  47. Grrr, techno coffeemakers by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 2

    Bought a new coffeemaker last year, it has an oh-so-helpful alarm to let you know when the coffee's finished. Which can't be switched off. So when I get up early on Saturday to a nice quiet house, my frickin coffee-maker has to emit 5 piercing beeps to let all the sleepers know I'm making coffee. Really nice when someone is crashed in the living room.

    We need a coffee luddite movement.

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    1. Re:Grrr, techno coffeemakers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I use a French Press.

  48. Damn IoT by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

    Please stop the Big Data wet dream of sensors all over collecting information they have no business having. The security nightmare of millions of half-ass secured devices leaking data 24 hrs a day is not a good thing for society. There could be plenty of value in certain devices communicating, but on an intranet only and with very limited extranet access only if and when appropriate. The current model where things just get stuck on the internet with no limitations is the wrong approach for the consumer and the health of the internet.

  49. Porter Schmorter already by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I was going to say that his earlier stuff was OK, but then he went a bit bonkers. However I was getting confused Tom Peters.

    Nonetheless, I think his value chain diagram is a digram for a diagram's sake.

    As for competitive advantage, I think the notion of it has been around for a long time.

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    1. Re:Porter Schmorter already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the notion of it has been around for a long time.

      No you are wrong. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_advantage
      "Competitive advantage seeks to address some of the criticisms of comparative advantage. Porter proposed the theory in 1985."

      Porter's book is the definitive text and is widely cited by economists, business strategy researchers and n other disciplines. He is a heavyweight, like it or not.

  50. What a horror! by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

    I can't wait: We will all be surrounded by a sea of devices, all beta quality - as is the norm today - such that every single day will involve struggle with 5% of the devices not doing what they are supposed to do; and all will require constant software updates; and all will have security vulnerabilities. Nice. Please count me out!