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Julian Assange Trying To Raise Nearly $200k For a Statue of Himself

Rei writes Julian Assange, from his refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy, has recently taken to Twitter to try to raise nearly $200,000 for a life-size bronze statue of himself. The statue would have him standing front and center between Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning (with Manning pictured as male); the art piece would be then shipped around the world on tour.

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  1. I'll donate some onions for the cause... by flowerp · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Christ, what an egomaniac.

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    1. Re:I'll donate some onions for the cause... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hope Snowden sends a note telling Assange to leave him the hell out of his egomaniacal delusions. God, how embarrassing it would be to be associated with that guy for all eternity - and literally as his "right hand man", of all things?

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    2. Re:I'll donate some onions for the cause... by brxndxn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Holy shit what a fucking insightful opinion. Mod parent to 5! Nobody else thought this initially and had the bold cavalier mental fortitude to just fucking post it... without wondering if there's really any truth to this.

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  2. hell no by x181 · · Score: 2

    if someone else suggests it, that's fine. you don't go around asking for people to literally 'idolize' you.

    1. Re:hell no by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I recently visited the lookout tower in germany built by my great, great grandfather. He put a bronze of his head up with his name, profession, hometown and date of construction. It's a cell tower now.

      Building monuments to yourself looks very strange to American eyes. But places are different and times change. Perhaps it was advertisment. Germans still like to just give their small businesses their names (e.g. 'HornWumpus Troll Service')

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  3. And men will ask why... by MSG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps someone should introduce Julian to Marcus Porcius Cato.

    1. Re:And men will ask why... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Who was Marcus Porcius Cato, and how is he at all relevant to this situation?

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    2. Re:And men will ask why... by HBI · · Score: 4, Informative

      If he's referring to Cato the Younger, he's referring to integrity and Assange's lack of same.

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    3. Re:And men will ask why... by Opyros · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nah, the reference is to Cato the Elder. He was once asked if he minded the fact that there was no statue to him; he replied that he would rather have no statue and people asking "why not" than have a statue and people asking "why".

    4. Re:And men will ask why... by novium · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see some love for Cato the Elder. (I'm writing my PhD thesis on him, and yet when people ask what I'm studying and I tell them, no one ever knows who he is).

    5. Re:And men will ask why... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In contrast, I think he was a hidebound asshole whose dedication to making money helped destroy the middle class of the time and hence the Roman Republic. He had the traditional Roman virtues in spades (like honesty and endurance), and so got away with it.

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    6. Re:And men will ask why... by novium · · Score: 1

      You're making a lot of assumptions there that are on quite shaky ground. That the mid-Republic *had* a middle class, that the destruction of that middle class lead to the fall of the republic, that it was the pursuit of money that did so, that Cato was in favor of that...?

      What you're missing out a lot on is how much Cato was outside the traditional power system in Rome- he's a lot closer to that 'middle class' (that didn't really exist) as a non-Roman (as in he was Sabine) pleb, and he built most of his career attacking the power base of the nobles, which is part of the reason he stressed anti-luxury (luxury was assumed to be the underpinnings of greed and corruption) and conspicuous consumption, and it was his anti-luxury positioning that get most often read by modern readers as money grubbing. Luxury and conspicuous consumption were two ways the patrician class set themselves apart, so when he attacks that - like his attacks on the fad for hellenism - it's really part of a program of an attack on the nobility. He's setting himself up with the farmers (thus De Agricultura) as being the kind of true Romans who are productive with their estates, rather than wasting them away on frivolities and conspicuous consumption.

      Thus also the positioning on virtue- the reason he harps on that stuff so much was, among other things, it was being descendant from the great virtuous Romans of the past that the patricians used to justify their right to rule. So he was basically usurping their claim to the virtue of the past. That's also part of what's at play with the statue thing, and the fact that he omitted the names of the great generals in his Origines- the nobles especially were always trying to outstrip each other by physically dominating the memory of the past by erecting monuments (actually, that's part of the reason that it was illegal to build permanent theaters, because that would give whoever built it (For whatever festival) kind of a permanent hold over the glory associated with sponsoring eg the festival of apollo). It's an attack on the traditional signs of power of the nobility, and it would have been very well understood by the romans of the day. And you could argue that a lot of this was about playing to his audience. He came to power over the objections of the nobility, which is saying something considering the make up of the comitia centuriata...which puts his support group squarely in the realm of the not-so-middle class you're talking about.

  4. Re:class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Shut the fuck up!!!!

    -J.Assange

  5. Re:These are the men we want to memorialize? by vandelais · · Score: 2

    It's like what Jeffrey Dahmer said to Chelsea Manning...

    "Well, you gonna eat that?"

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  6. Pleasing the unwashed masses is not my task. by hessian · · Score: 1

    Pleasing the unwashed masses is not my task. Yes, that means you, with the mod points.

    This is great. The Crowd has the greatest pretense of all human things, and turning up your nose at it debunks its assumption of moral superiority.

  7. The Trojan Assange by TechnoGrl · · Score: 1

    This is a Brilliant idea!
    The Assange part of the statue will, of course, be hollow and when the thing makes it's way to Venezuela - out pops Julian and ... Asylum!

    That THAT Mi5 !

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    1. Re:The Trojan Assange by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he would have used a Trojan, he wouldn't be in the trouble he is now.

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  8. Re:class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Classy. I'm really glad for wikileaks and all, but christ, what an asshole."

    Nice job on getting the first comment (score: 4).
    Too bad it means you didn't take the time to look into what's actually going on.
    Then you would've found out The Independent is just making stuff up.

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/542760505082142720
    sums it up:
    @Independent A retweet by WikiLeaks does not equal Assange "spear heading" a funding drive--but you knew that.

    And, of course, Slashdot 'retweets' this, because it gives lots of clicky-di-clicks (= ads = money).

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  9. Flamebait headline, TFA says different by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA says the statue is being donated, the money is for transportation.

    More accurate headline: "Artist proposes, donates personal time and money to make statues, Assange hosts fundraiser to transport and display works."

    Maybe Assange would have been more circumspect to remain completely out of the mix. But that's his call, maybe he liked the idea.

    Maybe all the flamers here would like the idea too if someone offered to make a bronze statue of them. But no-one did. ;)

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    1. Re:Flamebait headline, TFA says different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No.

      No No No No No No No.

      He agreed to have his visage transported around the world for everyone to see. Everyone who knows of wikileaks already knows his name. Agreeing to a dick move like this is nothing but egotistical.

    2. Re:Flamebait headline, TFA says different by replicant108 · · Score: 2

      Since both Slashdot and the Independent pointedly avoid linking to the Kickstarter page in question, here it is:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

      It would be a nice irony if this story helped the project get funded.

  10. Re:class act by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously this is his method of escape. He will conceal himself inside the statue, and then it will be shipped to Russia, among other places.

  11. Re:class act by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Classy. I'm really glad for wikileaks and all, but christ, what an asshole.

    He's basically been under house arrest for the last two years, I wonder if it isn't starting to take its toll.

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  12. Nothing like a good Assange bashing by psinet · · Score: 5, Informative

    .....so I truly regret drawing your attention to paragraph 7 of the article:

    "The idea for the statue came from Mr Dormino and Charles Glass, an American author, journalist and broadcaster. British journalist Vaughan Smith, with whom Mr Assange stayed while he was on bail in 2010, is organising the Kickstarter campaign."

    Furthermore, Mr Smith added:

    “If you look at the statues we do have, they’re mostly of people who've done various things during our past in conflict and killed rather a lot of people. I think it’s refreshing to have a statue that’s perhaps owned by the public a little bit more.”

    Shame...........um Assange. Shame.

    1. Re:Nothing like a good Assange bashing by joe545 · · Score: 1

      That'll be the county-estate owner and multi-millionaire Vaughan Smith that started the kickstarter fundraiser, yeah?

    2. Re:Nothing like a good Assange bashing by Rei · · Score: 1

      Yep. But apparently he doesn't want to do it with his own money. Hence the need for Assange to use the Wikileaks twitter feed to promote the kickstarter.

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  13. Re:class act by msauve · · Score: 2

    Carbonite, FTW!

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  14. Something tell me... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    This story is not going to be covered by Valleywag.

  15. Re:class act by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

    a large wooden badger was considered, but then rejected.

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  16. I think Julian is starting to crack by stox · · Score: 1

    How long has he been holed up in that embassy? I know I would be losing it by now.

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  17. Re:class act by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    FTFA:

    The idea for the statue came from Mr Dormino and Charles Glass, an American author, journalist and broadcaster. British journalist Vaughan Smith, with whom Mr Assange stayed while he was on bail in 2010, is organising the Kickstarter campaign.

    It's a dumb idea on the face of it. And if the intention is to "honor" or otherwise commemorate the three, they're doing it wrong:

    Mr Dormino faced a difficult decision over how to depict Ms Manning, who was known as Bradley Manning when convicted of espionage for passing classified documents to WikiLeaks. The former soldier will be shown as she appeared "at the time when the facts took place", the organisers wrote in reply to a question on the Kickstarter page. "This is also motivated by the fact that the artist could not get enough portraits of her actual look to make a realistic portrait."

    What, as an artist he couldn't just extrapolate, or use the pic on wikepedia on how manning perceives herself?

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  18. Re:Huh by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1
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  19. Re:class act by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't particularly see how Manning "perceives himself" has anything to do with this. The statue is about how we perceive Manning, and it's as the man who released important information about US corruption to the world, no matter how insane Manning may have gone since being illegally held in solitary.

    First, if the statues were to be about how we perceive the protagonists, the voting would probably have Assange cast as a horse's rear end.

    Second, the American Psychiatric Association now no longer labels transsexuals as having a "gender identity disorder". Only took them 40 years to give transsexuals the same consideration they gave the rest of the LGBT. Also, even if this were not the case, there's a difference between having a mental disorder and being insane. Or do you consider everyone with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as insane?

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  20. Re:class act by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's why most customs stations now feature a special security check. An agent taps lightly on every statue going through customs, whispers "we're here", and then waits a bit to see if anything happens.

  21. Re:class act by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Is there a significant difference between Assange and Wikileaks? There used to be but then there was a falling out and nasty accusations tossed around. If this were a corporation that decided it would be a swell idea to make a statue of the chairman of the board, one would think at the very least that there was a lot of ass kissing going on and probably that the CoB was in on the plan.

  22. Re:These are the men we want to memorialize? by Rei · · Score: 1

    Careful with your terminology - "rapist" means a conviction; you should use other wording. "Rape fugitive"? Yeah, that's accurate. "Guy with a court finding of probable cause of rape"? Yep. "Thin-skinned combattive prick who calls himself a god to women on his blog and can't even manage a chat with his ghostwriter without leering at 14-year-old girls and giving commentary on whether he thinks they're hot or not"? Yeah. But without a conviction, saying "rapist" is something that could get you sued for libel.

    Beyond that: Manning is the opposite of cissy. Manning is trans, not cis.

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  23. Flame-bate by locketine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How does one vote the OP as flame-bate? Julian isn't raising the money, he isn't even promoting it. He just re-tweeted about it. This has to be the most purposefully misleading post I've ever seen on slash dot.

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    1. Re:Flame-bate by Rei · · Score: 1

      Right, because using the official Wikileaks feed to tweet a kickstarter page whose goal is to build a statue of him isn't in any way, shape or form trying to raise money to build a statue of him?

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    2. Re:Flame-bate by Xest · · Score: 2

      Yes that's right, you finally figured it out, well done.

    3. Re:Flame-bate by pantaril · · Score: 2

      The statue is already build, they are raising money for transportation. Maybe you should get your facts right before posting misleading opinions.

    4. Re:Flame-bate by Rei · · Score: 1

      From the kickstarter page:

      We need your help to make a monument to courage. There is no room for compromise today and art is called upon to make choices and show a direction. We want to create a life-size bronze statue of Assange, Manning and Snowden standing on three chairs with an empty fourth chair next to them. It is not a simple homage to individuals, but to courage and to the importance of freedom of speech and information.

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    5. Re:Flame-bate by locketine · · Score: 1

      I considered posting a link to the wikileaks article specifically about the CIA plan to discredit wikileaks through ad-hominen attacks against the organization and the individuals running it but then I would have been labeled a conspiracy theorist.

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    6. Re:Flame-bate by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      And to top it off, it does not even mention how great it is to live in the Ecuadorian embassy, the world's nicest embassy.

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    7. Re:Flame-bate by strikethree · · Score: 1

      This has to be the most purposefully misleading post I've ever seen on slash dot.

      Oh please. There have been far more misleading posts on Slashdot. This one is bad, but not even close to the most misleading.

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  24. Re:Madame Toussads by Rei · · Score: 1

    So using the official Wikileaks Twitter account to encourage people to donate to it is merely an "I won't sue you"?

    Meanwhile, how about that Chelsea Manning defense fund after Assange milked the Manning case for fundraising for years....

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  25. Re:Mah Freedoms by Rei · · Score: 1

    Right, such "constant surveillance" that when Assange left Sweden nobody bothered to tell the Swedish Prosecutors' office? And then when he jumped bail and beelined for the embassy of a country whose president he'd previously been chumming it up with on RT, nobody bothered to tell anyone to stop him, because...? Is this what you call "surveilance", and if so DAMN are spooks ever incompetent these days...

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  26. Re:class act by arth1 · · Score: 1

    IMO though, Chelsea should be depicted as a girl IRL. Also. I played a game with a nerd who use to go by the name Chelsea.

    What I don't get is that she changed from a first name that was a surname to a place name which by definition is unisex in nature. It's like changing your first name from Davis to Islington.

    Anyhow, the point of a statue would, I presume, be to depict what people remember and recognize. We don't see many statues of Rosa Parks, Elvis, Jo DiMaggio and Neil Armstrong from their latter years, for example.

  27. Re:class act by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Stir crazy is the answer.

  28. Re:class act by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    Obviously this is his method of escape. He will conceal himself inside the statue, and then it will be shipped to Russia, among other places.

    First statue on Mars?

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  29. Re:class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, it's a good thing you didn't get a vote then. Assange is a hero no matter what you think.

    ...

    He can still be a horse's ass, even if he is a hero, no matter what you think.

  30. Re:These are the men we want to memorialize? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    well yeah, since nowadays if you out that one government branch is lying to another, then you're a traitor if you out that information.

    which seems kind of fucked up - get your fucking agencies in a leash, you're bleeding money to fuckups who ruin your reputation and provide you with no service whatsoever.

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  31. I'll believe it when I see it by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    My first reaction was, too, "my, how much of an ego can one single man have?"

    Then I was pondering who we're talking about. And who he pissed off.

    And then I was pondering whether I can actually trust anything I hear about him. I mean, if I was a country with more funds than dear God himself, would I be above slander?

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    1. Re:I'll believe it when I see it by pantaril · · Score: 2

      My first reaction was: how many stupid slashdoters would label Assange as egomaniac, rapist and criminal based on totaly misleading informations in summary, how many slashdoters would rather side with opressive practices of U.S. (and other) governments instead of Assange and wikileaks, which are trying to fight it?

      The answer is predictably and unfortunately: quite a lot.

  32. Re:class act by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

    It's not quite nothing--he did retweet it to give it some attention--but I thought it was iffy myself, and I am certainly no fan of Assange. I keep him on one of my Twitter lists just because his delusions amuse me (and because he sometimes posts something interesting). When something this unusual pops up, it's best to look into it a bit further.

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  33. Re:class act by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    A statue on world tour of Manning, Assange and Snowden, should also likely include some random figures of 'Anonymous' as a greater indicator of behind the scenes efforts. The nature of the statue should of course be as irritating and annoying as possible for those who oppose the ideals of freedom of information and the need for the electorate to have full access to the truth when it comes to actions of it's government as well as those corporations and organisations who have a major influence upon the actions of that government. Size would likely work well is this regard, perhaps cast metal might not be the best choice. An inflatable printed display could be made quite large and attract considerably more attention as it could be located in far more opportune temporary locations and of course in more than one location at once, just a reminder that we not only know where they live, we also live where they live.

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  34. Re:class act by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Maybe the CIA are thinking the same thing. They send the "artist" and his helpers into the embassy to make a cast of Assange, freeze him in carbonite instead and smuggle him to the USA that way. He'll end up as the favourite decoration in John Brennan's office.

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  35. Assholes by AlvySinger · · Score: 1

    "First: research your topics. Don't believe every click-bait (but you *wanted* to believe that, didn't you?)." You could post this on more or less any story on Slashdot. No, the entire internet. Good luck.

  36. Re:Mah Freedoms by Rei · · Score: 1

    *Whoosh*

    The Swedish government had no force measures against him because they believed his attorney that he was still in Sweden getting ready to voluntarily come into the police station for an interview, up to several days after he had left the country, because apparently this "constant surveillance" didn't see fit to bother to mention to them that he was gone. They also believed his attorney's lies for about a month that Assange was getting ready to return to Sweden because this "constant surveillance" didn't even bother to mention that Assange was shopping around for a permanent address. Then when he was under force measures in the UK, and yes, out on bail (ankle tracking bracelet and everything), this "constant surveillance" didn't see fit to mention when he left his court-imposed house arrest and walked into the embassy of a state whose president he'd been recently palling around with on Russian TV.

    How F'ing incompetent is this "constant surveillance"?

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  37. Re:Assholes by Rei · · Score: 1

    What he's "paying a high price for" is F*ing a sleeping girl to work around her repeated refusal to consent to his preferred form of sex, then running from the charges.

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  38. Re:class act by Rei · · Score: 1

    Horses' asses can still serve important functions from time to time. Just ask a horse.

    Of course, that notwithstanding, even a horse probably wouldn't want a statue of their ass made and sent on a world tour.

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  39. Re:Assange is funny! by Zocalo · · Score: 1

    I think you are overestimating his worth. Clearly even the man himself only thinks he's worth his weight in bronze. :)

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  40. Re:class act by Rei · · Score: 1

    Sic semper stupratoribus.

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  41. Re:class act by goarilla · · Score: 1

    Or do you consider everyone with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as insane?

    Yes, they have a mental disorder and thus are classified insane.
    Just because you take offence of the word doesn't mean it has changed or should change its meaning.

  42. Re:class act by goarilla · · Score: 1

    Of course, that notwithstanding, even a horse probably wouldn't want a statue of their ass made and sent on a world tour.

    I guess you haven't met many horses then.
    They are totally asspeople !
    Twerking all the time, subscribing to the Kim Kardashian mailinglists, reading popular proctologist media, etc ...

  43. Re:class act by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    ....But I am always seduced by Miss Information!

    She is soooo irresistible that I can't control myself!

    I believe everything she says because she says all of the right things!

    And she wants me all the time....

  44. Re:class act by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Thus always to rapists? He's wanted for questioning on something doesn't quite match rape and hasn't even been charged with a that yet FFS.
    It's all so obviously political opportunism that people who take it seriously are just making themselves look stupid. He pissed off a "tyrant" in that one of the things he published makes Hillary look very bad, then suddenly he's seen as being worth dragging from country to country for questioning while bail skipping child rapists like Polanski are left alone.

  45. Re:These are the men we want to memorialize? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Careful with your terminology - "rapist" means a conviction

    Not at all. You can be falsely convicted of rape, then you are not a rapist. Or you can be wrongly set free, then you are still a rapist. "Rapist" is about the fact that someone has committed the crime. "Convicted rapist" is someone being convicted for the crime.

  46. Re:class act by Xest · · Score: 2

    You'll have to excuse the grossly misleading headline and summary, I just noticed it's posted by Rei.

    Rei turns up on Slashdot every time an Assange story turns up. She's mentioned before that she was a victim of assault, and so has basically decided to make it her life long internet crusade to ensure that any man accused of rape is determined to be guilty, and fuck the law and all that.

    She likes to sound intelligent by throwing in random Swedish words like the Swedish version of "the accused" as if it somehow makes her sound more intelligent, but honestly it just comes across as plain weird, I really to this day cannot understand why you'd write out a paragraph in English and just throw in a few otherwise directly translatable words in Swedish other than to try and pretend you have more of a clue than you actually do.

    But don't take my word for it. She's already spreading her bile in this discussion already:

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    "Rape fugitive"? yeah sure Rei, that doesn't sound like a loaded description of someone who has neither been found guilty of rape, nor even been charged for rape, but merely wanted for questioning. Oh let me guess, the tired old "but Sweden can't charge someone without doing it on their soil!". Bollocks. Completely false. Sweden can do this and have done this. They haven't done it because they're not far enough along in their investigation yet. Sweden isn't far along enough in it's investigation yet because it refuses to question Assange anywhere other than on it's soil even though it can and has done this for many other suspects in the past. All of this is mentioned black and white in places like this, by journalists that have actually done their homework, unlike propagandist man-haters like Rei:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...

    In fact, Sweden's own courts recently criticised Assange's prosecutors for not being willing to move the case forward by simply questioning him in the UK or via video link:

    http://www.svea.se/Om-Svea-hov...

    To quote:

    "The Court of Appeal notes, however, that the investigation into the suspected crimes has come to a halt and considers that the failure of the prosecutors to examine alternative avenues is not in line with their obligation â" in the interests of everyone concerned â" to move the preliminary investigation forward."

    Honestly I've not bothered before, but it's getting tiresome seeing the same old biased hatred filled trash coming from her. It's become impossible to have a rational discussion on Slashdot about the whole Assange thing with her bile and random nonsensical insertion of an arbitrary selection of Swedish words. Yes it sucks what happened to you Rei, but that doesn't mean that we should just throw all semblance of justice and reason out the window just for you.

    It's basically become Rei's own personal bitch the fuck out of Assange space. Go away Rei, Slashdot isn't yours, you don't get to unilaterally set the fucking agenda and shame on the editors for allowing it in this case.

    Of course we, the UK tax payers, stuck in the middle are footing the bill for this Swedish prosecution caused farce that people like Rei are so quick to defend because of their own personal issues:

    https://govwaste.co.uk/

    Rapists should be hung, drawn, and quartered, and the widespread failure by authorities globally to deal with sexual assault and obtain convictions in cases where they should is a major problem. Conviction rates seem to be from a statistical standpoint unrealistically low, and it needs to change. But when a prosecution can't even be bothered to determine that someone is one and actively avoids doing so then it doesn't instil confidence that they gen

  47. Life-size by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    That's supposed to mean the size of his body, or the size of his ego?

  48. Re:class act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have you ever noticed that horses all get to have asses, but it's rare to find an ass with its own horse? #HorseAssEquality

  49. I am also trying to raise by sabbede · · Score: 1

    $200k for a statue of myself. Where's my story slashdot!?

  50. Re:class act by ultranova · · Score: 1

    quite why we're assisting Sweden in this farce I have no idea

    The UK is not assisting Sweden. Both you and Sweden are assisting the US, which is trying to get revenge on Assange for exposing its dirty secrets.

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  51. Re:Huh by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    Those are trophies. I'm asking if there's a statue of a horse's rear! Maybe the Assange statue will be the first one?

    I did find this however: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wpyK... It's close but not quite right.

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    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  52. Re:class act by Rei · · Score: 1

    Ah, Xest, you grace us with your presence and personal attacks. Thanks for predictably showing up.

    She likes to sound intelligent by throwing in random Swedish words like the Swedish version of "the accused" as if it somehow makes her sound more intelligent, but honestly it just comes across as plain weird, I really to this day cannot understand why you'd write out a paragraph in English and just throw in a few otherwise directly translatable words in Swedish other than to try and pretend you have more of a clue than you actually do.

    Because it's one of the standard Assange fanboy tactics to say "he's not been charged with anything". Except that that's just a linguistics games. Swedish has two words which one can translate as "accused", "charged", or "indicted" - anklagad and åtalad. Neither corresponds 100% directly to the English equivalent of "charged". Anklagad is to get someone into custody, åtalad is to get them to trial once in custody. Now, if I were to say "the things Assange was charged with...." then I'd be harrassed by a bunch of Assange fanboys playing this dumb linguistic game where they call åtalad "charged" and call anklagad absolutely nothing. So I just simply use the Swedish terms to avoid this.

    Note that the UK court system has at every level ruled the fact that Assange is anklagad as being equivalent to being charged for the purposes of the EAW.

    "Rape fugitive"? yeah sure Rei, that doesn't sound like a loaded description of someone who has neither been found guilty of rape, nor even been charged for rape, but merely wanted for questioning.

    1) You know damn well that he is not "merely wanted for questioning". From the signed statement of the prosecutor to the UK lower court, point #10: "Subject to any matters said by him, which undermine my present view that he should be indicted, an indictment will be launched with the court thereafter. It can therefore be seen that Assange is sought for the purpose of conducting criminal proceedings and that he is not sought merely to assist with our enquiries."

    It's a ridiculous notion that someone who has already been found by a court of law and repeatedly upheld on appeal to have probable cause of having committed rape is "merely wanted for questioning".

    2) Gee, what a shock, you're playing the anklagad/åtalad word game. How predictable could you possibly get?

    3) A person who runs from the police is known as a fugitive. That is THE word for it. When the cause that the police want them for is rape, then they're a rape fugitive. Period. If you don't like the English language, don't speak it.

    Oh let me guess, the tired old "but Sweden can't charge someone without doing it on their soil!". Bollocks. Completely false.

    Once åtalad, there's a time limit for when the trial must begin. Pray tell, how are they supposed to manage that with a person who refuses to turn themselves in?

    I'll reiterate: the process of having someone åtalad is to bring someone in custody to trial. Assange is not in custody. Hence this is not the stage to åtala him.

    Sweden can do this and have done this.

    And your example is...?

    They haven't done it because they're not far enough along in their investigation yet.

    Right, "not far enough along in their investigation"! Over half a dozen court rulings including formal findings, upheld by other courts, of probable cause of rape, but "not far enough along in their investigation". How do you work that one?

    propagandist man-haters like Rei

    Come on, you can do better than that. Tell me that I eat kittens and torture seal pups for fun!

    Sweden isn't far along enough in it's investigation yet because it refuses to question Assange anywhere other than on it's so

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    "We consider that six courts and an asylum claim are a rather odd way of returning to Sweden within a month."
  53. Re:class act by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    But when a prosecution can't even be bothered to determine that someone is one

    The issue of whether Julian Assange is a rapist or not would have been settled years ago if he had not skipped bail. He would have been taken to Sweden and interviewed about the accusations. Maybe as a result of that, there would have been a trial and hopefully he would have been found guilty if and only if he did rape somebody.

    Right now, he's a fugitive from justice, which makes me think that he is not confident that he would be acquitted of the rape allegations. You can talk about the danger of extradition to the USA, but he was in the UK for a while before he ran away and the USA made no move to extradite him. I don't think that is a real danger.

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    All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
  54. Re:class act by Rei · · Score: 1

    something doesn't quite match rape

    The entry listed on the EAW checked as rape:

    4. On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state. It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party’s sexual integrity.

    Which is F'ing rape - in Sweden, in the UK, in the US, pretty much bloody everywhere. As it very well should be. And people like you who try to say that that's not really rape should be ashamed of yourselves.

    while bail skipping child rapists like Polanski are left alone.

    Wait, you think the US hasn't tried repeatedly and with great effort to get Polanski and bring him to trial?

    . He pissed off a "tyrant"

    Wow, great to know that we have the Amazing Kreskin here who knows more than all of the police investigators, the Swedish prosecutor's office, the Swedish lower court judge that issued the Swedish warrant and the EAW, the Svea Court of Appeals that found Assange for probable cause of rape, the Swedish Supreme Court who refused his appeal, the British lower court who ruled against him, the British high court which ruled against him, the British Supreme Court which ruled against him, and now the Svea Court of Appeals once again ruling against him. Nope, we don't need any damn judicial system - we have the Amazing Kreskin here to tell us how the girls are clearly just lying sluts and how F*ing a sleeping girl to work around her refusal to consent to one's preferred form of sex isn't really rape!

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    "We consider that six courts and an asylum claim are a rather odd way of returning to Sweden within a month."
  55. Re:Assholes by Rei · · Score: 1

    Which is why he's surrendered to police custody and stood trial, right?

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    "We consider that six courts and an asylum claim are a rather odd way of returning to Sweden within a month."
  56. Bye by Voline · · Score: 2

    And so, after many years. Slashdot is being removed from my bookmarks bar. This bit of poorly-sourced, shameless click-bait is the final straw. It was fun for awhile.

  57. Re:class act by Rei · · Score: 1

    In fact, he'd be safer in Sweden than the UK. EAW regulations require that extradition to a third party requires the sent of both the sending state (UK) and the receiving state (Sweden), rather than just the sending or receiving states alone. And Sweden has among the most restrictive extradition treaties in Europe, with a flat-out ban on extradition for intelligence or military crimes - which is why Assange was applying for a residence permit and moving Wikileaks' main base of operation there in the first place (he repeatedly called Sweden his "shield" in interviews.. right up to when he became wanted for rape, when suddenly Sweden transformed into an evil US lackey... funny how that works!). Sweden is home to hundreds of US defectors and is the country that sheltered Edward Lee Howard (highest profile CIA defector to the Soviets during the Cold War) from the US. In fact, their prime minister back then is the same foreign minister (Carl Bildt) that Assange rails against.

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    "We consider that six courts and an asylum claim are a rather odd way of returning to Sweden within a month."
  58. Re:class act by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    Then you would've found out The Independent is just making stuff up.

    Independent isnt making anything up, their headline is actually accurate. If you havent figured it out yet, theres a 50-50 chance that any particular slashdot headline is utter nonsense. The game is to figure out which each headline is.

    Either way its still not socially appropriate to encourage people to financially support a statue honoring yourself.

  59. Re:class act by Xest · · Score: 1

    If you can't even stop pretending that "Anklagad" and "Ã¥talad" are these weird mystical Swedish concepts when in fact they simply map directly to the accused (Aklagad) and charged (Ã¥talad), then what's the point even trying to debate the rest of your points directly? You'll only read what you want to read, twist what does suit how you want to twist. It's all pointless.

    There's a certain irony that you feel that by digging back 2 years you've managed to find five whole posts on the topic of Assange by me, and think that I'm therefore a vehement defender of Assange whilst failing to realise that you've largely confirmed my point, my point was simply that I hadn't bothered to respond to your recent posts until now, and in searching as desperately as you have you seem to have confirmed that given that you've not found a single post in 2014, and barely a handful going all the way back to what, 2011? You say I bother "every bloody time", yet apparently I haven't bothered this year at all.

    Now let's compare and contrast this to your posting record on the situation, well it turns out that in the last 6 months alone we can find what, the best part of 100 posts from you on the subject? Have you hit 20 yet on this one single story? I imagine you're close by now.

    So just step back and consider this, whose posting record on the topic is probably relatively normal? Whose is rather disturbingly obsessive and abnormal? When you've answered this for yourself, tell me, am I an Assange fanboy? Or are you so obsessively filled with hate for him that anyone that doesn't agree with you is simply in your mind an Assange fanboy? Would an Assange fanboy not even bother to post on a topic about him for a year? to not bother defending him in the face of your many tens, possibly over a hundred posts? Now extrapolate this with your comment, you claim I'm one of the most extreme Assange fanboys on this site, and if the most extreme Assange fanboys on this site are therefore, by logical extension, posting an order of magnitude less than those posting to attack Assange, then which side is most extreme really?

    So you see Rei, this is the problem. You're so caught up in your distortions that you have nothing in your mind but distortions. You think a handful of posts across a few years is evidence of fanboyism, yet you think the best part of a hundred posts in less than a year is perfectly healthy. Have I posted more frequently in the past going back even more years? possibly, but if I did it probably wasn't really healthy either.

    Whilst I think the case is all a little odd, and the odds don't seem in the prosecution's favour given the way they're misbehaving, as the Swedish courts agree, I'm still perfectly open to the possibility that he will eventually stand trial and be found guilty, not be extradited on to the US, and be out of jail after probably a relatively short sentence. I'm happy with the idea that if I'm wrong, that a few posts I made on the subject were misguided. What about you? are you open to the idea that he may well be innocent? if the case is dropped would you be willing to accept a lack of guilt or would you simply say he cheated his way out of it with political games? if it goes to trial and he's not found guilty, will you not feel a little silly that you spent many hours making hundreds of posts attacking him? or will it just be a miscarriage of justice to you?

  60. Re:class act by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Informative

    Unlike members of the LGBT, pedophiles who act on their urges cause lasting harm to their victims, who are by definition incapable of consent.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  61. Re:class act by goarilla · · Score: 1

    I suffer from some mental issues (agorafobia, social anxiety). And I do consider myself a little bit insane !

  62. Re:class act by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

    It's worth remembering that during the Edward Snowden revelations, the Independent tried its hand at a bogus leak, lying to make it appear as if it had come from the Snowden documents and leaking the sort of information that could have had serious implications for people's safety (which the Guardian/Greenwald had taken care not to do). Greenwald at the time revealed that no such information had come from them, and the Independent were exposed with their pants round their ankles and their cock in the family dog (so to speak).

    I view them as a newspaper that's quite happy to whore iteself out to spread black and grey propaganda for the UK/US powers that be.

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    Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
  63. Re:class act by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    I suffer from some mental issues (agorafobia, social anxiety). And I do consider myself a little bit insane !

    Neither of those mental disorders qualifies as insanity.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  64. Re:class act by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    There's legally insane. That's decided in court.

    Then there is insane and unsane. Been a long time since I took psych, IIRC insane means you can't deal, unsane means you're nuts, but your bills mostly get paid.

    Based on that standard I'd put the line between unsane and insane at if the heshe was paying for it's own insurance and out of pocket costs.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  65. Re:class act by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    They weren't tricked. There is no surgery to fix man hands. Just closet cases.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  66. Re: Huh by tobenemo32 · · Score: 1

    Every statue with a historical figure on horseback, includes the horses ass, therefore statues of horse ass exist.

  67. Re:Why is this funny? Do condoms prevent rape? by PPH · · Score: 1

    You can commit rape with, or without a condom.

    But if it is consensual conditional on the use of a condom and then none is offered, or it breaks and you don't pull out when prior authorization is rescinded .....

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  68. Re:class act by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Neither psychiatry nor psychology recognizes any mental condition called "unsane."

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  69. He hasn't even been charged by dbIII · · Score: 1

    He hasn't even been charged so your assertion of what you think he's done is a bit of a case of presuming guilty before the police prosecutor has even got something together, let alone the court.
    On the other hand Polanski was found guilty by the court, yet was left alone for decades due to no political reason to get him.

    You've been conned by the unscrupulous aiming directly for your emotions and making you blow up on this issue. Your final paragraph is irrelevant since most of it relies on supposition and the major witness has had a change of heart. That doesn't mean it's not true, it just means that the case has had a vast amount of international effort for something where it is not normally the case. The reason it blew up into such a situation is very obviously political.
    So since Assange is getting all this unexpected attention is he paranoid to run and hide or saving himself from anal rape by third rate CIA goons? The report that came out last week and all those people in power in the US who have been calling him "traitor" and equating him with terrorists shows us why he is hiding. The CIA have already dragged people out of Sweden with the assistance of Swedish Intelligence, there was, and may still be, a very real risk that Assange could face the same fate.

  70. I'd better sum up by dbIII · · Score: 1

    When a government that has an almost medieval attitude to rape starts making a big deal of a case overseas that does not involve it's citizens then it is very obvious that it is just being used as an excuse.
    We are being played and the reality is somewhere under ten levels of highly crafted PR disinformation.