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Anyone Can Now Launch Their Own Version of the Pirate Bay

An anonymous reader writes: Not satisfied with merely launching The Old Pirate Bay, torrent site isoHunt today debuted The Open Bay, which lets anyone deploy their own version of The Pirate Bay online. This is achieved via a new six-step wizard, which the group says requires you to be somewhat tech-savvy and have "minimal knowledge of how the Internet and websites work." The Pirate Bay, the most popular file sharing website on the planet, went down last week following police raids on its data center in Sweden. As we've noted before, The Old Pirate Bay appears to be the best alternative at the moment, but since The Pirate Bay team doesn't know if it's coming back yet, there is still a huge hole left to be filled.

81 comments

  1. I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think one of the most valuable features of the old pirate bay was its reputation system.

    To be able to tell between a (relatively) trusted contributor and a virus uploader.

    How can you duplicate that on a pirate bay clone.

  2. Why not decentralized ? by Lennie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would you create many centralized points if you can create a decentralized system ?

    They worked more than 9 years on Tribler might as well start using it, right ?:
    http://www.tribler.org/
    https://github.com/Tribler/tri...

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    1. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unrelated, but thanks for the insight. Never heard of tribler before..

    2. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To clarify, "they" is not the PirateBay, as one might assume from the context. "They" is the Tribler Team, which initially consisted of members from the universities of Delft University of Technology and VU University Amsterdam.

    3. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Lose · · Score: 1

      Because hosting your own instance of the old pirate bay (sort of) sounds more impressive and rebellious and has a better chance of getting mass adaptation in the moment than Tribler.

    4. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tried this - nothing happened. No connection. No real description of what might be going wrong or what should appear......just blank.
      Tiny icon at the bottom stated nothing received on a port? Do I need to get that port forwarded in my router? Should I have got something on that?

      uTorrent and clicking on magent links at the 'bay - just worked.......

      TL;DR -> They spent 9 years on this? really?

    5. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried tribler and compared to utorrent it's terribly lacking. the UI is unresponsive a lot of the time and is missing a lot of the options I would deem highly desirable. Add to that the fact that the anonymous part doesn't really work since there seem to be too few people currently using it, not to mention going through 5 hops seems very difficult as those nodes keep droping off the network constantly.

      If the UI weren't so bare bones and lagging I might use it but right now it's like switching to an inferior product for no added benefit (yet).

      Hopefully it gets there one day but that day is not today.

    6. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Agares · · Score: 0

      Thanks for sharing I am going to have to check this out.

  3. Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not all holes need to be filled.

    1. Re:Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've obviously never watched porn.

    2. Re:Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your argument is airtight.

    3. Re:Hole by Falos · · Score: 1

      Challenge accepted.

  4. Hole to be filled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Has no one heard of kickasstorrents? [kat.ph]

    1. Re:Hole to be filled? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      shhh!

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    2. Re:Hole to be filled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no such thing. Also, that's the old domain name.

      And shut up, some people are watching.

  5. Federated reputation by tepples · · Score: 2

    I guess Open Bay sites could associate reputation with an OpenID identifier, public key, or other identifier that remains constant from site to site. Have there been attacks on the Advogato trust metric yet?

  6. The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    It seems that KickassTorrents is the new main site people are moving to.

    1. Re:The next big thing by nblender · · Score: 1

      Two AC's posting about 'the torrent site that everyone is going to' ... yup... I totally want to go there for all of my entertainment media needs ... AC has never steered me wrong before.

    2. Re:The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been my piratebay backup for years. Anything I wanted was posted on both sites, so good to go.

      Just don't tell anyone!

    3. Re:The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, *anything* other than shell out a few bucks for the stuff you want to watch (or hear).

    4. Re:The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't tell anyone!

      Then why are you telling others? Because you're just a stellar guy and a liar or just a hypocrite?

    5. Re:The next big thing by aquabat · · Score: 0

      Why so angry?

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    6. Re:The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A few years ago, I missed the opportunity to see a show live. I tried and tried to watch it legitimately online. I was signing up for memberships and had my trusty credit card in hand, but it was impossible. After a couple days of trying to give someone money to see what most people had seen for free, I became angry with the system and decided to quit trying to follow what were obviously flawed rules. I downloaded what I wanted in minutes.

      Up until then, I'd never used bittorrent for anything illegal. I used it for getting Debian and I was impressed with how well it worked, but considered it exactly the wrong method for copyright infringment because it isn't anonymous. Fast forward to now, and I pay monthly fees to get a VPN to countries where the laws are different and watch what I want when I want with no BS.

      I'd rather pay monthly fees to watch what I want (and Netflix and Amazon help) but if I can't, I'll pirate. If you refuse to allow someone to pay you for copies of the thing you're getting special protection to sell copies of, (which is all copyright is) then it is moral and should be legal to copy without permission.

      Let me repeat this logic more clearly:


      •  
      • You don't have any right to keep people from copying things unless it is granted by the government for the greater good of the people
         
      • If you refuse to allow copies to be sold, then you are violating the intrinsic agreement that gives you that special right
         
      • The law may have a loophole you can exploit, but that doesn't make it morally justified and so I don't consider it immoral to break the other side of the agreement.
    7. Re:The next big thing by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Meh torrents are gonna go the way of emule, the future is media streaming sites hosted in dontgiveafuckistan.

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  7. The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how hard it'd be to take The Open Bay and turn it into a "LegitTorrent" site centered around works under a Creative Commons license or other licenses for free cultural works. Such a site would promptly respond to OCILLA notices to help discover uploaders that have been engaging in license laundering.

    1. Re:The Legit Bay by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would certainly be an exciting idea! A website about true sharing of free culture and entertainment. Sign me up.

    2. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How hard? Well on a scale of 2-8 with 12 being the highest and a handicap of 4, this would be a 9

    3. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Yeah! We could call it The Boring Bay!

    4. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't see how Creative Commons is so boring for artists practicing their craft in part by remixing other artists' work.

    5. Re:The Legit Bay by fat_mike · · Score: 1

      Please define "free culture"

    6. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 2

      Please define "free culture"

      If you got a certificate error when viewing the link that I posted above, here's another link to the definition of a license for free cultural works using cleartext HTTP.

    7. Re:The Legit Bay by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      Please define "free culture"

      Free means you don't pay. Among other things...

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    8. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Regardless of the comments from the peanut gallery, the vast majority of those using TPB today have no interest in "practicing their craft" or producing anything of their own in any form. Places like TPB would fall into disuse in about 30 minutes if the internet was somehow regulated in such a way that sharing would only be the artists original creations put into the creative common.
       
      It's about being a thief, first and foremost. If you could stop all non-public media from being released all P2P styled traffic would drop by 98+%. After that there would still be a trickle of CC media packages. The rest is legal software distribution such as Linux distros.

    9. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be incredibly boring because it would contain no commercially produced works from the likes of Marvel, Peter Jackson, HBO,etc. 99% of what TPB does is distribute the very very expensive to create commercial works like, for example "The Avengers" or "Game of Thrones"

      You can whine all you want about media needing to be free, but the fact of the matter is that if Robert Downey can't cash 7 figure paychecks, there will be no more Iron Man movies, no matter how much you pout about your right to either name your own price for media or just outright steal it by watching it for free and sharing it. And all those 3D artists, scenic artists, camera people, grips, electricians, etc. that depend on income from media aren't just going to work for free because you are too cheap and lazy to spend $11 to watch Iron man.

      So the Creative Commons Bay, although it will be super cool and awesome because, you know, freedom and shit, will be a barren wasteland that is 99.99% utter crap that nobody but a few film geeks will want to watch.

      The fact of the matter is that it takes TALENT and MONEY to make good entertainment and if you think you can just suck the MONEY out of the system and still get good entertainment, you will live a sad and horrible future full of shitty reality programming, rehashed garbage and "art" that appeals to 1% of the population. All you leeches just need to SUCK IT UP and chip in a couple hundred bucks a year to PAY FOR ENTERTAINMENT THAT YOU LIKE. By VOTING WITH YOUR WALLET you will get more of what you like and less of what you don't. This is one reason why we have decided to ditch cable TV--we are tired of supporting utter CRAP with our money. We will spend that money instead of legitimate streaming of content we like and seeing movies at the theater.

    10. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just too cool for us. I knew we should've asked what you thought first before we did anything.

    11. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly haven't figured out there's a subset of pirate who are presently voting with their wallets as well. Devalued media (ie: Media that takes 15+ minutes to actually get to the damn movie) isn't even worth the $2 rental price.

      As you already have experienced, no doubt, the majority of people do not agree with your opinion that piracy is theft. Thus the majority believe that if you can't offer something at the right price for what it is (The movie with 15 minutes of trash I have to wade through is worth about a payment of $1... to my wallet... for my time wasted) then a $0 alternative is great. If you don't like it, do as you believe Robert Downey will do--stop creating. We won't care. If all content disappears, we won't care. There's enough out there already to fulfill an entire lifetime of entertainment. The media industry could simply cease to exist tonight and I wouldn't care. But as long as they make new stuff, and don't charge the right price, people are going to pirate it, and they won't even feel bad no matter what ridiculous labels you apply to them.

      And no, I wouldn't steal a handbag.

    12. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Taking back the culture that copyright lawyers have locked down is not theft. You're thinking inside the box your masters made for you.

    13. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking "culture" that doesn't belong to you is theft. Hate copyright? Change the friggin' law. Theft is not a valid form of protest... as if most of the people "taking back the culture" care anything about the ethics of what they're involved with in the first place.

    14. Re:The Legit Bay by Minwee · · Score: 0

      Free means you don't pay. Among other things...

      Free means giving speeches about beer.

    15. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repeating how it is not "theft" is not helping the situation really. It's still freeloading.

      The content creators make an investment when they decide to produce the piece of art. They pay the recording engineers, actors, musicians, etc. After the product is finished, they expect to recoup that investment in form of sales. If there is not enough sales (we just keep making free copies), then making commercial entertainment ceases to be a feasible investment anymore.

      Pretty simple, eh?

    16. Re:The Legit Bay by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that it's only worth about $1 to you, but it's not being offered at $1, so fuck off, you don't get to watch it.

    17. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're thinking inside the box your masters made for you.
       
      Masters? They're only the masters if you still consume that slop. Even if you download it for free you're still answering to your masters more than I am. I don't see it in the theaters, I don't watch it on TV and I don't buy the disc. It's garbage and if you really thought it was garbage you wouldn't bother wasting the bandwidth on it.
       
      So go ahead and act smug but it doesn't take much to see who the slave is here.

    18. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do get to watch it, at the price we want. Namely, free. That's the reality. That you don't agree with that or it pisses you off makes it all the more worthwhile. I'd even pay a little bit per movie if it managed to piss you off further.

    19. Re:The Legit Bay by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The Artists Bay?

      What about one with deals with companies but where you either have to share up to a ratio of say n:1 (n=10 or 20 or whatever, hence fix their distribution) or pay say "more than the average" to not be forced to do that?

      With money going in being distributed to those who contributed their work (maybe over number of downloads but then again I guess people would cheat.. so - Yeah. Maybe not a good system after all?)

      Sure there must be a way to charge a reasonable "media fee" and then provide a competitive "media access"?

    20. Re:The Legit Bay by catmistake · · Score: 1

      if you think you can just suck the MONEY out of the system

      This isn't stealing bread from a starving family. The sales inventory at all the studios remains constant. Explain to me how all the non-enterprise copyright violators cost production studios or entertainers even one cent? Theft it is, but it is not the same as crime because the victim has NO DAMAGES.

    21. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 1

      Hate copyright? Change the friggin' law.

      How is that possible when all major TV news sources that cover candidates for federal office share a corporate parent with one of the members of the MPAA? Fox=Fox, CBS=Paramount, ABC=Disney, NBC=Universal, and CNN=Warner. A candidate for federal office who openly opposes the excesses of what copyright has become will draw smear campaigns from all five of these studios' co-owned news channels.

    22. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, hire me to make it. You -are- gonna fund it, yes?

    23. Re:The Legit Bay by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Hate copyright? Change the friggin' law.

      How is that possible when all major TV news sources that cover candidates for federal office share a corporate parent with one of the members of the MPAA? Fox=Fox, CBS=Paramount, ABC=Disney, NBC=Universal, and CNN=Warner. A candidate for federal office who openly opposes the excesses of what copyright has become will draw smear campaigns from all five of these studios' co-owned news channels.

      Don't believe this? Go back and look at ALL of the television networks coverage of SOPA. It was all how this is necessary to protect American jobs and such. Oh, and a few filthy pirates are against it.

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    24. Re:The Legit Bay by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 1

      Free means you don't pay. Among other things...

      Free means giving speeches about beer.

      Actually I think it means giving speeches about how no beer is truly free, and hence what ever you are speaking about shouldn't be free as in beer, but rather free as in Cuba Libre...... Hey wait a minute....

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    25. Re:The Legit Bay by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      It's still not theft. If you were stealing someone's creative work you would be going to where they keep their source materials and removing them, depriving the creator of access to their work. What you are doing when you pirate something is experiencing the work without remunerating the creator.

      These are two separate and distinct acts, with entirely different consequences. Not giving something to someone is not the same as taking something away from someone. Now you can argue that both situations are equally reprehensible if that is your judgement. But they are not synonymous. There are subtle but important differences that underpin the whole argument, and coherent discussion can't proceed unless you appreciate this difference.

      Precise use of language is important, as it reduces muddled thinking and enables a clear argument to be made. Banging out the word "theft" at every opportunity as an appeal to your own emotional response to the injustice you perceive is preventing you from understanding the other side of the argument.

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    26. Re:The Legit Bay by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Don't believe this? Go back and look at ALL of the television networks coverage of SOPA. It was all how this is necessary to protect American jobs and such. Oh, and a few filthy pirates are against it.

      Do you have a link to a site where I can download said television network coverage?

    27. Re:The Legit Bay by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      What?
      Don't you know you have to pirate that to get it?

  8. Recursion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Soon, The Pirate Bay will be a torrent on The Pirate Bay.
    The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

    1. Re:Recursion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Soon, The Pirate Bay will be a torrent on The Pirate Bay.
      The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

      It's pirate bays all the way down!

  9. Anti-paradox measure by tepples · · Score: 2

    The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

    Plus a mirror of a few of the torrent sites that do host themselves, for added protection against both hardware failure and paradoxes.

  10. Now anyone can get raided! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hooray! I've always wanted to go to jail!

  11. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a life, a family, a house and a job. I'd like to keep them, thank you very much. Challenging the MPAA/RIAA and some powerful lobbies is way out of my - and anyone with a brain's - league. I know geeks like to think they're invincible behind their keyboards but there are plenty of examples to show how they're wrong. You don't pick a fight with a grizzly bear. Ever.

    1. Re: No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well said citizen. Keep standing in line and be afraid to question authority.

    2. Re:No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't pick a fight with a grizzly bear. Ever.

      The Pirate Bay had completely opposite spirit when they begun operations. Remember their "Legal Threats" page where they showed copyright violation complaints they got from big companies, and the dicky responses that TPB guys wrote in reply?

      It seems that at this point the older generation of warez guys seem to be too old for that shit, and it remains to be seen whether the younger generation has equally big balls.

    3. Re: No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "old generation" operated in a very different environment: laws were obsolete and judges did not understand much about the digital world. The industry was slow. Governments were slow. It's different now: laws have been and are still being updated and governments do the industry's will swift and mercilessly. Don't blame the younger generation (which has a lot more to worry about, such as ever getting a job and keep it, something that a sentence for piracy would make all but impossible) for not wanting to commit suicide. Between life and "internet rights" which I wouldn't really miss, I choose life.

    4. Re: No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Questioning authority" is one thing, "openly defying financial juggernauts with armies of lawyers and the law on their side" is another. Stop deluding yourselves: you're not Martin Luther King. You're not Rosa Parks. You just want stuff for free because you can. This is not a cause worth suffering for.

  12. Interesting Redirect in place by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    After looking at some of the older links I had to the Original Pirate Bay, I noticed that there is a redirect in place from some of them.

    It points to This Site: http://thepiratebay.com.ua/

    Not sure if this is official, or simply someone managing to make a play for the domain, but I thought it was interesting that there are folks redirecting traffic to their websites already.

    Is this becoming more common, or is TPB in danger of becoming co-opted?

    1. Re:Interesting Redirect in place by paziek · · Score: 1

      Trying to switch view from "double" to "single" line in torrent list brings up custom 404 page. I wouldn't download anything from there.

  13. The Jedi Bay by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    In death, The Pirate Bay will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

  14. It would last by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    until it got popular then the media companies would sue oh behalf of the starving artists as your free music is making them poor now.

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    1. Re:It would last by tepples · · Score: 2

      then the media companies would sue oh behalf of the starving artists as your free music is making them poor now.

      What would be the grounds for such a suit, especially given the ruling in Viacom v. YouTube that OCILLA-compliant providers are not liable for their users' copyright infringement?

    2. Re:It would last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are the site operators going to vet every byte of every torrent that's uploaded?
      Because it only takes one blockbuster renamed as a Linux distro to give them grounds for a lawsuit.
      Heck, with all the money they have, they don't need grounds, they can just sue and stall, like they already did before.
      Or they can just tell their DEA buddies that they need this site removed from DNS...

  15. The next big thing by kortsen · · Score: 1

    When Napster fell there were lots of alternatives for peer-to-peer file sharing to fill the vacuum but The Next Big Thing was torrents. Maybe Tribler will be The Next Big Think and replace centralized torrent aggregators.

  16. Malware bay by ruir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The highlights of (old) pirate bay were the reputation as some already said, AND the user comments about the download. Without that, the usefulness of having the torrents replicated is so much less useful.

    1. Re:Malware bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, remember Limewire? Even when people knew the risks were high they'd still go there for free shit so... whatever

      There's a whole mentality that will spend time instead of money

  17. How to be sued by phorm · · Score: 1

    A few hours to get up, a few minutes to be sued into financial ruin.

    Seriously, starting up the site is the easy part. Dealing with traffic is an issue, but not getting sued into oblivion is probably more of a concern, as it has been the fate of many once-popular filesharing sites. Even TPB never solved that particular issue.

    At this point, a decentralized client with built-in encryption - maybe something that hooks into TOR - would probably be a better bet for people that want to engage in such activities.

  18. The Pirate Bay from Partido Pirata Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    We are working (at the Pirate Party of Argentina) on getting a complete backup of The Pirate Bay and getting it back without ads, free and for free. We have comments til february 2013, descriptions til june 2013 and torrents/titles til september 2014, you can help us scrapping a piece of the missing torrents. \n \nThe source code and tools for loading the backups and scrapping TPB as well as getting a copy of this site up and running is available on https://github.com/piratas-ar/piratesbey

    1. Re:The Pirate Bay from Partido Pirata Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      don't listen to this idiot. good luck argentina. fuck the copyright holders, fuck the naysayers who've never been poor, good luck.

  19. tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Visit the site and the first thing you'll notice is that it's referencing facebook connect. twitter and google analytics.
    How can one trust this source if their goal is to track your online activity in the first place?

  20. WP plugin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So where's a WordPress plugin for adding this as a feature to any existing site, with a checkbox to select it as being the home page?

  21. Lawsuit against whom? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Because it only takes one blockbuster renamed as a Linux distro to give them grounds for a lawsuit.

    Against the uploader of the torrent, not against the site. OCILLA shields compliant providers from liability for uploaders' actions.

  22. The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the paranoids would still be upset because it was bittorrent and able to max out an internet connection.

  23. Local copy + updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is to say everyone cant just run this locally, so you can do your own searches and have some sort of auto update from somewhere ( yes, that is the more tricky part, need a way to accept new torrents in a distributed/anonymous manner )

    Then you are no more exposed than you were before, and impossible to shut down.

    Or, we could just host it on I2P or freenet and be done with it :)

  24. Muzak by tepples · · Score: 2

    How can I avoid "consum[ing] that slop" if grocery stores play proprietary music over their speaker system, the royalties for which come out of the price of the groceries I buy?