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Anyone Can Now Launch Their Own Version of the Pirate Bay

An anonymous reader writes: Not satisfied with merely launching The Old Pirate Bay, torrent site isoHunt today debuted The Open Bay, which lets anyone deploy their own version of The Pirate Bay online. This is achieved via a new six-step wizard, which the group says requires you to be somewhat tech-savvy and have "minimal knowledge of how the Internet and websites work." The Pirate Bay, the most popular file sharing website on the planet, went down last week following police raids on its data center in Sweden. As we've noted before, The Old Pirate Bay appears to be the best alternative at the moment, but since The Pirate Bay team doesn't know if it's coming back yet, there is still a huge hole left to be filled.

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  1. I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think one of the most valuable features of the old pirate bay was its reputation system.

    To be able to tell between a (relatively) trusted contributor and a virus uploader.

    How can you duplicate that on a pirate bay clone.

  2. Why not decentralized ? by Lennie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would you create many centralized points if you can create a decentralized system ?

    They worked more than 9 years on Tribler might as well start using it, right ?:
    http://www.tribler.org/
    https://github.com/Tribler/tri...

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    1. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To clarify, "they" is not the PirateBay, as one might assume from the context. "They" is the Tribler Team, which initially consisted of members from the universities of Delft University of Technology and VU University Amsterdam.

    2. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Lose · · Score: 1

      Because hosting your own instance of the old pirate bay (sort of) sounds more impressive and rebellious and has a better chance of getting mass adaptation in the moment than Tribler.

    3. Re:Why not decentralized ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tried this - nothing happened. No connection. No real description of what might be going wrong or what should appear......just blank.
      Tiny icon at the bottom stated nothing received on a port? Do I need to get that port forwarded in my router? Should I have got something on that?

      uTorrent and clicking on magent links at the 'bay - just worked.......

      TL;DR -> They spent 9 years on this? really?

  3. Hole to be filled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Has no one heard of kickasstorrents? [kat.ph]

    1. Re:Hole to be filled? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      shhh!

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  4. Re:Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You've obviously never watched porn.

  5. Federated reputation by tepples · · Score: 2

    I guess Open Bay sites could associate reputation with an OpenID identifier, public key, or other identifier that remains constant from site to site. Have there been attacks on the Advogato trust metric yet?

  6. The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how hard it'd be to take The Open Bay and turn it into a "LegitTorrent" site centered around works under a Creative Commons license or other licenses for free cultural works. Such a site would promptly respond to OCILLA notices to help discover uploaders that have been engaging in license laundering.

    1. Re:The Legit Bay by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would certainly be an exciting idea! A website about true sharing of free culture and entertainment. Sign me up.

    2. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't see how Creative Commons is so boring for artists practicing their craft in part by remixing other artists' work.

    3. Re:The Legit Bay by fat_mike · · Score: 1

      Please define "free culture"

    4. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 2

      Please define "free culture"

      If you got a certificate error when viewing the link that I posted above, here's another link to the definition of a license for free cultural works using cleartext HTTP.

    5. Re:The Legit Bay by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      Please define "free culture"

      Free means you don't pay. Among other things...

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    6. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Regardless of the comments from the peanut gallery, the vast majority of those using TPB today have no interest in "practicing their craft" or producing anything of their own in any form. Places like TPB would fall into disuse in about 30 minutes if the internet was somehow regulated in such a way that sharing would only be the artists original creations put into the creative common.
       
      It's about being a thief, first and foremost. If you could stop all non-public media from being released all P2P styled traffic would drop by 98+%. After that there would still be a trickle of CC media packages. The rest is legal software distribution such as Linux distros.

    7. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Taking back the culture that copyright lawyers have locked down is not theft. You're thinking inside the box your masters made for you.

    8. Re:The Legit Bay by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that it's only worth about $1 to you, but it's not being offered at $1, so fuck off, you don't get to watch it.

    9. Re:The Legit Bay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're thinking inside the box your masters made for you.
       
      Masters? They're only the masters if you still consume that slop. Even if you download it for free you're still answering to your masters more than I am. I don't see it in the theaters, I don't watch it on TV and I don't buy the disc. It's garbage and if you really thought it was garbage you wouldn't bother wasting the bandwidth on it.
       
      So go ahead and act smug but it doesn't take much to see who the slave is here.

    10. Re:The Legit Bay by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The Artists Bay?

      What about one with deals with companies but where you either have to share up to a ratio of say n:1 (n=10 or 20 or whatever, hence fix their distribution) or pay say "more than the average" to not be forced to do that?

      With money going in being distributed to those who contributed their work (maybe over number of downloads but then again I guess people would cheat.. so - Yeah. Maybe not a good system after all?)

      Sure there must be a way to charge a reasonable "media fee" and then provide a competitive "media access"?

    11. Re:The Legit Bay by catmistake · · Score: 1

      if you think you can just suck the MONEY out of the system

      This isn't stealing bread from a starving family. The sales inventory at all the studios remains constant. Explain to me how all the non-enterprise copyright violators cost production studios or entertainers even one cent? Theft it is, but it is not the same as crime because the victim has NO DAMAGES.

    12. Re:The Legit Bay by tepples · · Score: 1

      Hate copyright? Change the friggin' law.

      How is that possible when all major TV news sources that cover candidates for federal office share a corporate parent with one of the members of the MPAA? Fox=Fox, CBS=Paramount, ABC=Disney, NBC=Universal, and CNN=Warner. A candidate for federal office who openly opposes the excesses of what copyright has become will draw smear campaigns from all five of these studios' co-owned news channels.

    13. Re:The Legit Bay by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Hate copyright? Change the friggin' law.

      How is that possible when all major TV news sources that cover candidates for federal office share a corporate parent with one of the members of the MPAA? Fox=Fox, CBS=Paramount, ABC=Disney, NBC=Universal, and CNN=Warner. A candidate for federal office who openly opposes the excesses of what copyright has become will draw smear campaigns from all five of these studios' co-owned news channels.

      Don't believe this? Go back and look at ALL of the television networks coverage of SOPA. It was all how this is necessary to protect American jobs and such. Oh, and a few filthy pirates are against it.

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    14. Re:The Legit Bay by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 1

      Free means you don't pay. Among other things...

      Free means giving speeches about beer.

      Actually I think it means giving speeches about how no beer is truly free, and hence what ever you are speaking about shouldn't be free as in beer, but rather free as in Cuba Libre...... Hey wait a minute....

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    15. Re:The Legit Bay by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      It's still not theft. If you were stealing someone's creative work you would be going to where they keep their source materials and removing them, depriving the creator of access to their work. What you are doing when you pirate something is experiencing the work without remunerating the creator.

      These are two separate and distinct acts, with entirely different consequences. Not giving something to someone is not the same as taking something away from someone. Now you can argue that both situations are equally reprehensible if that is your judgement. But they are not synonymous. There are subtle but important differences that underpin the whole argument, and coherent discussion can't proceed unless you appreciate this difference.

      Precise use of language is important, as it reduces muddled thinking and enables a clear argument to be made. Banging out the word "theft" at every opportunity as an appeal to your own emotional response to the injustice you perceive is preventing you from understanding the other side of the argument.

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    16. Re:The Legit Bay by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Don't believe this? Go back and look at ALL of the television networks coverage of SOPA. It was all how this is necessary to protect American jobs and such. Oh, and a few filthy pirates are against it.

      Do you have a link to a site where I can download said television network coverage?

    17. Re:The Legit Bay by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      What?
      Don't you know you have to pirate that to get it?

  7. Recursion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Soon, The Pirate Bay will be a torrent on The Pirate Bay.
    The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

    1. Re:Recursion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Soon, The Pirate Bay will be a torrent on The Pirate Bay.
      The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

      It's pirate bays all the way down!

  8. Anti-paradox measure by tepples · · Score: 2

    The next step will be to build a torrent site that will host all the torrent sites that don't host themselves.

    Plus a mirror of a few of the torrent sites that do host themselves, for added protection against both hardware failure and paradoxes.

  9. Re:Hole by Falos · · Score: 1

    Challenge accepted.

  10. Interesting Redirect in place by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    After looking at some of the older links I had to the Original Pirate Bay, I noticed that there is a redirect in place from some of them.

    It points to This Site: http://thepiratebay.com.ua/

    Not sure if this is official, or simply someone managing to make a play for the domain, but I thought it was interesting that there are folks redirecting traffic to their websites already.

    Is this becoming more common, or is TPB in danger of becoming co-opted?

    1. Re:Interesting Redirect in place by paziek · · Score: 1

      Trying to switch view from "double" to "single" line in torrent list brings up custom 404 page. I wouldn't download anything from there.

  11. Re:The next big thing by nblender · · Score: 1

    Two AC's posting about 'the torrent site that everyone is going to' ... yup... I totally want to go there for all of my entertainment media needs ... AC has never steered me wrong before.

  12. The Jedi Bay by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    In death, The Pirate Bay will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

  13. It would last by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    until it got popular then the media companies would sue oh behalf of the starving artists as your free music is making them poor now.

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    1. Re:It would last by tepples · · Score: 2

      then the media companies would sue oh behalf of the starving artists as your free music is making them poor now.

      What would be the grounds for such a suit, especially given the ruling in Viacom v. YouTube that OCILLA-compliant providers are not liable for their users' copyright infringement?

  14. The next big thing by kortsen · · Score: 1

    When Napster fell there were lots of alternatives for peer-to-peer file sharing to fill the vacuum but The Next Big Thing was torrents. Maybe Tribler will be The Next Big Think and replace centralized torrent aggregators.

  15. Malware bay by ruir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The highlights of (old) pirate bay were the reputation as some already said, AND the user comments about the download. Without that, the usefulness of having the torrents replicated is so much less useful.

  16. Re: No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well said citizen. Keep standing in line and be afraid to question authority.

  17. How to be sued by phorm · · Score: 1

    A few hours to get up, a few minutes to be sued into financial ruin.

    Seriously, starting up the site is the easy part. Dealing with traffic is an issue, but not getting sued into oblivion is probably more of a concern, as it has been the fate of many once-popular filesharing sites. Even TPB never solved that particular issue.

    At this point, a decentralized client with built-in encryption - maybe something that hooks into TOR - would probably be a better bet for people that want to engage in such activities.

  18. The Pirate Bay from Partido Pirata Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    We are working (at the Pirate Party of Argentina) on getting a complete backup of The Pirate Bay and getting it back without ads, free and for free. We have comments til february 2013, descriptions til june 2013 and torrents/titles til september 2014, you can help us scrapping a piece of the missing torrents. \n \nThe source code and tools for loading the backups and scrapping TPB as well as getting a copy of this site up and running is available on https://github.com/piratas-ar/piratesbey

    1. Re:The Pirate Bay from Partido Pirata Argentina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      don't listen to this idiot. good luck argentina. fuck the copyright holders, fuck the naysayers who've never been poor, good luck.

  19. Re:The next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A few years ago, I missed the opportunity to see a show live. I tried and tried to watch it legitimately online. I was signing up for memberships and had my trusty credit card in hand, but it was impossible. After a couple days of trying to give someone money to see what most people had seen for free, I became angry with the system and decided to quit trying to follow what were obviously flawed rules. I downloaded what I wanted in minutes.

    Up until then, I'd never used bittorrent for anything illegal. I used it for getting Debian and I was impressed with how well it worked, but considered it exactly the wrong method for copyright infringment because it isn't anonymous. Fast forward to now, and I pay monthly fees to get a VPN to countries where the laws are different and watch what I want when I want with no BS.

    I'd rather pay monthly fees to watch what I want (and Netflix and Amazon help) but if I can't, I'll pirate. If you refuse to allow someone to pay you for copies of the thing you're getting special protection to sell copies of, (which is all copyright is) then it is moral and should be legal to copy without permission.

    Let me repeat this logic more clearly:


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    • You don't have any right to keep people from copying things unless it is granted by the government for the greater good of the people
       
    • If you refuse to allow copies to be sold, then you are violating the intrinsic agreement that gives you that special right
       
    • The law may have a loophole you can exploit, but that doesn't make it morally justified and so I don't consider it immoral to break the other side of the agreement.
  20. tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Visit the site and the first thing you'll notice is that it's referencing facebook connect. twitter and google analytics.
    How can one trust this source if their goal is to track your online activity in the first place?

  21. Re:The next big thing by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Meh torrents are gonna go the way of emule, the future is media streaming sites hosted in dontgiveafuckistan.

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  22. Lawsuit against whom? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Because it only takes one blockbuster renamed as a Linux distro to give them grounds for a lawsuit.

    Against the uploader of the torrent, not against the site. OCILLA shields compliant providers from liability for uploaders' actions.

  23. Muzak by tepples · · Score: 2

    How can I avoid "consum[ing] that slop" if grocery stores play proprietary music over their speaker system, the royalties for which come out of the price of the groceries I buy?