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N. Korea Blames US For Internet Outage, Compares Obama to "a Monkey"

Posted by timothy on from the he-doesn't-have-a-monkey-dot-org-address dept.

Reuters reports that North Korea's government has publicly blamed the U.S. for the widespread internet outages that the country has recently experienced (including today), and taken the opportunity to lambaste President Obama, as well. From the article: The National Defence Commission, the North's ruling body, chaired by state leader Kim Jong Un, said Obama was responsible for Sony's belated decision to release the action comedy "The Interview", which depicts a plot to assassinate Kim. "Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest," an unnamed spokesman for the commission said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency, using a term seemingly designed to cause racial offence that North Korea has used before.

206 comments

  1. More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like North Korea is the paper tiger. And Kim Jong Un needs a new speech-writer - the republican base claims prior art.

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    1. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by twitnutttt · · Score: 0

      Ha ha. Prior art.

      I agree though. Monkeys are very reckless with their words. That's why I decided not to get one as a pet.
      Seriosly, who writes these things for them?!

    2. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meh, I blame LG for the whole affair.

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    3. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      In all fairness, we did make Un a sitcom character on "2 Broke Girls."

    4. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      the republican base claims prior art.

      Actually, Obama has probably been called worse by members of his own party. You can't muscle your way to the presidential candidacy of a major political party, without hearing a lot of low, nasty epithets. I would love to hear what Hilliary Clinton says about him in private!

      Obama is a tough guy. My guess, is that he just laughed the North Korean comment off, and said, "Is that the best they can do?!?!?"

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    5. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama is a tough guy.

      Thanks for the LULZ

    6. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a brief side note: Un is the second half of his first name. Kim is the surname. The Korean language (like most Asiatic languages) put the surname first. First names are almost always two syllables in Korean, and are hyphenated. They don't have middle names there. Here in the 'States, it would be like having the name "Sara-Jane Smith", or "Suzy-Beth Jones." So, if they were Korean, it'd be "Jones Suzy-Beth", or "Smith Sara-Jane."
      Unless you were just using the middle name to differentiate him from his father (like Americans do when they say "George W," In which case I'm just being a pedantic idiot.

    7. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You worthless fucking partisan freak asshole. Do you not remember people comparing Bush to a chimpanzee?

    8. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you expect of someone who feels the need to parade the status of their genitalia around in public like some kind of retard.

      "Look at me! Look at me! I paid someone to chop my johnson off!!! This post brought to you by fine surgical German steel and mental illness!! Look at me!!!"

    9. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Bush wasn't a shaved chimp?

    10. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your jejune post merits no response. Nonetheless, I thought I might encourage you to reach a little higher.

      It is a natural human tendency to obsess a bit about significant life-changing events. For example, all new parents go through a phase where their kids are all they talk about, whether anyone else cares or not. Similarly, a surgery that is this significant to a person's personal identity has a tendency to stay on their mind for a while, so they talk about it without realizing they are doing it.

      I notice BarbaraHudson made no reference to her gender in this post. Perhaps she is moving out of that phase and will be better able to keep subsequent posts on topic. And of course, when talking about transsexuals *is* on topic, it makes perfect sense that she would draw upon her own experience in those posts.

      I, for one, am willing to forgive minor missteps in topic selection. Perhaps someday, when you get a bit older, you will too.

    11. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Korean language (like most Asiatic languages) put the surname first.

      While that is completely true, usually the names get flipped when your audience excepts the surname last. Like Shigeru Miyamoto, and Nobuo Uematsu. Yes, in Japan, they would be referred to as Miyamoto Shigeru and Uematsu Nobuo respectively. But when your audience is American, the names get flipped.

    12. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I notice BarbaraHudson made no reference to her gender in this post

      Turn sigs on.

    13. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by khallow · · Score: 2

      Obama is a tough guy.

      Because being able to handle an empty insult from a bunch of idiots that nobody cares about or listens to is a solid indication of how tough you are.

    14. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kim Jong Un needs a new speech-writer - the republican base claims prior art.

      I think you need to take another look at the Democratic Party. They are the party of racism. In the 1800's they were the party of slavery. In the 1960's, Democrats were the party that celebrated KKK membership and openly voted against civil rights. Then they started to realize that the American people were becoming less racist, so the Dems started to do what politicians do: lie about themselves and their opponents. Suddenly, in the public's view, the Democrats weren't racist, the Republicans were, despite Democrat platforms seemingly always being about race division and keeping black people poor. Yes, Dem programs are intended to keep black people poor, and they're doing a bang-up job. When Obama was being groomed for candidacy, the Dems were making awful jokes about his racial heritage, just like the Sony execs (Democrats).

      This phrase used by North Korea is par for the course in Democrat circles, which nowadays are Communist circles.

    15. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Japanese can be hard to guess for non-speakers, and I would tend to agree with you. However, with Korean, surnames are almost never more than one syllable, and given names are almost always hyphenated 2-syllable names, so if you see the single syllable first, it's probably the surname. Also, the names will be flipped by the person writing the article; if the person is familiar with the language, they'll know to flip the names. While Japanese and Chinese are popular second languages in America, relatively few Americans speak Korean, so the names of Korean people rarely get flipped.

    16. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Informative

      One nitpick: The hyphenation thing is a Westernism and somewhat antiquated at that. None of the Chinese I know (including my wife and her relatives) use it when writing their names in Latin characters or Hanzi. Generally they just write their given name as one word. According to Wikipedia, this is standard and you should write "Wang Xuiying" and not "Wang Xiu-Ying" for a member of the Wang family named Xiuying when rendering his name in Latin characters.

      Chinese who travel generally give their family name last when speaking to Westerners, and many if not most of those who do so often or who live abroad adopt Western given names. Sometimes this is one that resembles their Chinese given name, sometimes not.

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    17. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to hear what Hilliary Clinton says about [Obama] in private!

      Oh, my! Mr. President! Bill has a much smaller



      amount of melanin in his skin.

      That's what she says to his face.

    18. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Eh...I'd say democrats do. They were referring to the president as being a monkey long before the current president's term.

    19. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps they spoke to the the one true Scotsman who employed an infinite number of monkeys to write the press release for him.

    20. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's where the Democrats claim prior art.

    21. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese who travel generally give their family name last when speaking to Westerners, and many if not most of those who do so often or who live abroad adopt Western given names. Sometimes this is one that resembles their Chinese given name, sometimes not.

      There is a Japanse practice (?) of upper-casing the family name that I've seen in mailing lists and Usenet, that way people know which is "first" and "last". regardless of order. For example, WATANABE Ken:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Watanabe

      I alway found it a neat solution to the problem (especially since there's usually no mixed case involved like M(a)cDonald, etc.).

    22. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also in South Korea, over 2/5ths of the entire population are either Kim, Lee, or Park. Surnames have a different meaning over there than in the West.

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    23. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not remember people comparing Bush to a chimpanzee?

      I should think that chimpanzees make for worse sockpuppets.

    24. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Do you not remember people comparing Bush to a chimpanzee?

      I remember that well. It was extremely insulting -- to chimpanzees. Chimps are highly intelligent creatures.

    25. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They don't like my .sig because it makes reference to what I am. As I've explained to others, this is one way I'm "paying it forward" for those who went before me and made it possible. I woudn't have even thought of it except one particularly repetitive troll kept posting about it earlier this year, so I figured this is the way to show that we should not be ashamed of what they are, just as we're not ashamed of who we are.

      It's also one way of "normalizing" us to others. Rather than being freaks, we're also human beings with our own opinions, and have pretty much 99% in common with what people think as "normal." Considering that one estimate that I saw on TV this fall put the number of trans individuals in tech at 2%, there are going to be plenty of people who are "in the closet" out of fear, both pre- and post-transition, or have been driven away, so it's also a way for those who are still in "stealth mode" to see that the general reaction is much better than a few stupid trolls.

      When I was outed on slashdot 9 years ago, I got a lot of support from the user base. So, in that sense, it's also another way to "pay it forward."

      But if nobody brings it up, it's only a .sig. The stories I've had on the front page deal with all sorts of stuff - it's hard to pigeonhole me. Like everyone, I am more than the sum of my genes. Just saying. :-)

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    26. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      You worthless fucking partisan freak asshole. Do you not remember people comparing Bush to a chimpanzee?

      Nothing partisan about it. Kim Jong Un didn't make any references to Bush this year, did he? And people didn't attack Laura Bush the way they've attacked Michelle Obama, including monkey slurs, claims she's a transsexual, and other crap.

      It's one thing to attack a politician, and quite another to attack his or her family.

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    27. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by meglon · · Score: 0

      You can't be as much of a fucking idiot as your post makes you look, can you? Are you so stupid you think that a label defines people?

      The democratic party of Lincolns time was the rural conservative party who were opposed to the idea of a "United" States. You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to compare the democratic party of today with the democrats of Lincolns time. Those same-minded conservatives fled the democratic party in the 60's to join the republican party....are you too damn stupid to have even a basic understanding of history?

      You might also buy a dictionary and use it... you clearly do not have a basic understanding of "communism" either. Your anti-intellectualism is on full display.

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    28. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by jhantin · · Score: 1

      TV Tropes found some cute prior art for the spokesperson's snarky comment; it's the page image for Cross-Cultural Kerfluffle, since not every culture sees the monkey comparison as racist.

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    29. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by jhantin · · Score: 1

      It doesn't stop at 'name endianness'. It's probably less confusing, in print at least, to use the convention of all-capping the surname while leaving the full name in its native order. I imagine such a convention would be especially handy when trying to wrangle elaborate names carrying a whole syntax tree laden with titles, adjective phrases, and prepositional phrases, leaving the surname somewhere in the middle. Such names tend to be found in Europe and the Middle East at least.

      The downside to smashing case is that it loses information, such as whether 'VON FOO' is properly cased as 'von Foo' or 'Von Foo'. Where possible it's probably better to use an inline tag or something, but plain text doesn't leave room for such niceties.

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    30. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      /. userbase is so easy to game over and over and over again.

    31. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese who travel generally give their family name last when speaking to Westerners, and many if not most of those who do so often or who live abroad adopt Western given names. Sometimes this is one that resembles their Chinese given name, sometimes not.

      Would Chloe Bennet be an example, sort of?

    32. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by baegucb · · Score: 1

      Well, generally true. I seem to recall some things being said about Margaret Trudeau back in the 70s. (I've lived in both Canada and USA).

    33. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an overinflated sense of importance.

    34. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look! Someone is campaigning for a Social Justice Trophy.

    35. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by readin · · Score: 1

      Obama is a tough guy. My guess, is that he just laughed the North Korean comment off, and said, "Is that the best they can do?!?!?"

      I don't know. Obama may not care if Americans hate him. He may not care if America's friends hate him. But he sure seems to put a lot of effort into making sure America's enemy like him.

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    36. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by readin · · Score: 1

      I don't remember the Bush kids getting attacked (though if they were I would have ignored it unless it came from high-level Democrats). I didn't hear about Obama's family getting attacked except from one low level staffer who merely criticized clothing in a not-very-public forum. But again unless the attacks came from high level Republicans I don't think it is worth much consideration. Chelsea did get some insults that were beneath contempt from some conservative radio personalities, and those radio people were roundly criticized by other conservatives. The only serious insults against family members that I remember are those that were leveled against Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton. With Hillary Clinton I would have to say it was fair game because they talked about a "co-presidency".

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    37. Re: More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Little Kim-Jong-Fun is foaming because first playstation network was down, now he can't even get porn because of their internet connection and his sister is not allowing him any whores until he loses weight and gets his Great Leader act together.

    38. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      You mean like that playboy comic that showed the Bush kids running a meth lab?

      Sorry but this "my party is better than yours" crap is just that: crap.

    39. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by colinb8 · · Score: 1

      From a previous post: "First names are almost always two syllables in Korean, and are hyphenated." - Yes and no - see below.

      "One nitpick: The hyphenation thing is a Westernism and somewhat antiquated at that. None of the Chinese I know (including my wife and her relatives) use it when writing their names in Latin characters or Hanzi. Generally they just write their given name as one word."

      That's true (but see below) for Chinese names, but for Korean names using or not using hyphens seems to vary. For example, on London's Korean Cultural Centre (KCC) website none of the given names of the staff have hyphens, and none are separated. But on the current front page a film director is "Bong Joon-ho" and the violinist is "Kyung Wha Chung" (surname Chung). The Korean newspaper Chosun website uses hyphened given names in its English pages, as does the Korean Film Archive (based in Seoul) database. Note that in my experience typically a hyphenated Korean given name is like this BAE Doo-na" and MOON So-ri (two rather good Korean actors): that is the second part of the given name is not capitalised.

      That said, to "confirm" all this I just looked at two calling cards I have in my wallet. The Korean one (from a KCC staff member) does not have the given name hyphenated, but the card from a Chinese-American assistant professor at a major London university *does* have a hyphenated given name, with both parts of the given capitalised.

      So the polite thing to do is use a name as a person themselves uses it, no matter how you or I consider it should be spelled.

    40. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      The first lady has always been a target with every president. SNL and MadTV both frequently ran sketches that made Barbara Bush look dumb and/or get trash talked by other people. Though recently Michelle Obama made herself a really bad target. She was at a store when some random customer who didn't recognize her asked her if she could grab something off of the top shelf (Michelle is my height, 5'11", and I get asked that kind of thing often) and so she later made a stink about it in the media saying that it was an example of racism.

    41. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      oooo you sound clever...... you managed to capitalize 2 words and swear at the same time

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    42. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of what *I* think. Pinyin is a standard.

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    43. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You can see this done by lots of folks from lots of different countries, and it's not confined to the 'Net.

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    44. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Looks to me more like she transliterated her English name using Chinese characters. Maybe you should ask her.

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    45. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your reply to be a bit rude.

      For those who are too lazy to use Google...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloe_Bennet

      Chloe Bennet was born on April 18, 1992, in Chicago, Illinois. She is the daughter of Stephanie and Bennet Wang.[4] Her father is Chinese American and her mother is caucasian. She has six brothers: three biological brothers, two African American foster brothers and one Mexican-Filipino foster brother. She attended St. Ignatius College Prep.[4] At 15, she moved to China to pursue a singing career.[5] She changed her name to "Chloe Bennet" to appeal more to Western media.[6]

    46. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You have an overinflated sense of importance.

      Well, I do think it's important to open up the discussion for those who are willing to talk about it but can't for various reasons, as well as trying to explain to our critics that maybe their perception of us is a little bit off. However, I only talk about it when someone brings it up in response to my sig. If you have a better way, I'm listening.

      Now, if you meant "an overinflated sense of self-importance", all I can say is "I wish." The last few years have destroyed any such delusions I may have had. Enjoy your health while you have it. Oh, and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you.

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    47. Re: More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      There's some truth to that. The elites in NK enjoy many of the luxuries that the rest of the world has to offer, and that their people can't even imagine. So, today the kids of the elite can't use their playstations or text each other with their smartphones because the 3g network is down too. It's time to "think of the kids", in the sense of the royal pain in the butt that many of them, used to privilege, have their toys shut down, and are whining like spoiled brats to their parents. If you're among those elite, you're not going to be happy with how your leader is handling things.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    48. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I didn't see that, but I'm not part of the "my party is better than yours" crap. In Canada, even the Democrats would be seen as too right-wing.

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    49. Re: More moaning and groaning for nothing. by gregsim · · Score: 1

      Even though I am a member of the Republican base and I disagree with you remark, I have to give you kudos for a clever turn of words.

    50. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by readin · · Score: 1

      It should depend on what the first lady is doing. If she does an interview on a topic of substance (like racism) or makes a lot of noise pushing a policy iniative ("Just say no", controlling fat, etc.) then it's fair to make fun of them based on those subjects. Barbara and Laura Bush were both pretty quiet. I don't see how it was fair to make fun of either of them. Are you saying that because SNL did it, it must be ok? SNL made fun of the first lady, so making fun of the first lady is ok, but SNL didn't make fun of the first daughter so making fun of the first daughter isn't ok?

      But actually SNL did make fun of first daughters. A quick search of "SNL Jenna Bush" came up with this: http://www.imdb.com/character/...

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    51. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      According to Wikipedia...

      Never rely on Wikipedia as a primary source. In Singapore and Malaysia, where English is widely spoken as a first or second language, and the latin alphabet official for government forms etc, it is common for Chinese to write their personal name separately (one word per Chinese character), after their surname, just as it is written in Chinese. If they are Christian, they will often have a Christian name in addition to their Chinese personal name, which they write before their surname. In most everyday cases they will use either their Christian name or their Chinese personal name, but when they have to write their full name for official documents, their surname ends up in the middle.

    52. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      In Canada, even the Democrats would be seen as too right-wing.

      The problem with that statement is that it is so non-descriptive that it is just meaningless.

      Take me for example, I'm a huge mishmash of opposing spectrum:

      I'm in favor of legalizing almost anything drug related, gambling related, and sex related (including legalizing prostitution) and I'm also very much atheist. Many will describe that as being very left wing.

      However I'm also very pro-second amendment, pro-capitalism, and very supportive of freedom of association (including allowing religious establishments to refuse to provide contraception, allowing people to smoke in places open to the public, allowing private businesses to refuse service to anybody for *any* reason.) Many will describe that as being very right wing.

      Yet neither description seems to work in my case.

      Narrowing political viewpoints into a one dimensional spectrum is likewise dumb. When I hear somebody say x is right or left of y, my first thought is: On what subject?

      I mean shit, if you look at this political compass (which is at least two dimensional, but still a very bad way to label political viewpoints as IMO there are easily hundreds of different dimensions) Adolph Hitler is pegged pretty damn close to being a centrist on the left/right scale, yet Milton Friedman is pegged as far right:

      http://www.politicalcompass.or...

      Like I said, meaningless.

      And before somebody says I'm an anarcho-libertarian on that two dimensional compass, that is also false. I very much support the rule of law and prefer a government to establish order so that everybody can have a common set of enforced rules that permit commerce (capitalism just isn't possible without the rule of law and/or a set of guidelines to make sure that transactions occur in a fair and just manner in addition to having a robust system for dispute resolution -- something that anarchy cannot have.)

    53. Re:More moaning and groaning for nothing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that because SNL did it, it must be ok?

      No, just saying that I can't recall any period where the first lady has ever been exempt from public lampooning.

  2. So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by jlowery · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are more facets to Mr. Poopypants than I imagined..

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    1. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Leader DO NOT Poop!

    2. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Not? Does he explode when he turns 40?

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    3. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he just keeps expanding.

    4. Re:So Ted Nugent is their propagandist? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Oh! Now his whole build makes sense. He's not fat. He's just full of shit.

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  3. Didn't they announce it? by morcego · · Score: 1, Funny

    Didn't the US say they were going to try and get North Korea's internet access cut?

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    1. Re:Didn't they announce it? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

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    2. Re:Didn't they announce it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation?

    3. Re:Didn't they announce it? by morcego · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

      Isn't Comcast already doing exactly that?

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    4. Re:Didn't they announce it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

      Well, they just need to go ahead with the Comcast/Times-Warner merger.

      One net to rule them all, one DNS to find them, one link to bring them all and into dark ports bind them in the land of dollars where the politicians lie.

    5. Re:Didn't they announce it? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Cutting North Korea's Internet access is just a trial run, the real objective is to cut Internet access to everyone in the U.S.A.

      Trial run? Every single person on the USA is cut off from the glorious North Korean Kimternet. Mission accomplished.

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    6. Re:Didn't they announce it? by tlambert · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't the US say they were going to try and get North Korea's internet access cut?

      It was suggested by "security researchers".

      Sadly, it took more candy than they had on hand to bribe the 12 year old in Des Moines, Iowa to stage the BGP attack against the 4 routers necessary to take North Korea of the Internet, so it was several days until the attack went forward.

    7. Re:Didn't they announce it? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Once the Trans Pacific Partnership goes through, the North Korean government can be sued by Comcast for failing to honor the company's right to throttle bandwidth across the North Korean border. There will be a "fast lane", but also an "extra fast lane" which will allow Kim Jong Un to watch The Interview through a gateway that uses TWO 56K modems instead of just one. If North Korea does opt for a fast lane, the NSA will have only half the time to flag his tweets as Inappropriate before they finish uploading.

  4. That is an insult to monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Subject says it all.

  5. He called a black man a monkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Dat so velly lacist.

    1. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are all essentially monkeys... blacks,white's, eskimo's and north koreans

    2. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

      We are all essentially monkeys... blacks,white's, eskimo's and north koreans

      Maybe you are; most of us are apes.

    3. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by dhaen · · Score: 1

      There is something disturbing about your selective use of apostrophes. Which part of me isn't a monkey? - Said the Eskimo...

    4. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 98% chimp, thank you very much.

    5. Re:He called a black man a monkey? by magarity · · Score: 1

      Chimpanzees are apes.

  6. Release all the data you didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the hackers say they had a bunch more data to release? And they wouldn't release it if The Interview was never shown? Well, it was. So release the data already. Put your money where your mouth is.

    1. Re:Release all the data you didn't by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Yep, until more hacked releases of Sony Pictures movies show up, this starts to smell like a publicity stunt.

    2. Re:Release all the data you didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except SPE would have violated federal laws if they were the ones leaking that data.

    3. Re:Release all the data you didn't by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Will they be prosecuted? Perhaps they got indemnity first.

      The story I build around this has the Sony episode as a bit part in something centered around South Korea's nuclear piles. And Obama *was* talking to some diplomats from China right before this started, and China is N.Korea's Internet supplier.

      I *know* that my version is just a story. But I also realize that that's all everyone's version is, except those with inside information. Most of the latter aren't talking, and the ones that are have a reputation for lying.

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    4. Re:Release all the data you didn't by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Yep, until more hacked releases of Sony Pictures movies show up, this starts to smell like a publicity stunt.

      I'm not sure that is how it started, but it sure got that way way pretty quick.

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  7. Prediction: by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many of the same slashdotters who accept "experts" who claim NK didn't hack Sony will readily accept as truth that it was "obviously" the US that attacked NK, even though there is even less objective proof of that, and could just as easily be some Anonymous offshoot, or any number of other organizations, or even North Korea itself.

    See the logical disconnect, here?

    For those now jumping on the "North Korea didn't hack Sony" bandwagon that some security "experts" are leading for their own political or ideological reasons, including using rationales as puzzling and pedestrian as source IP addresses of the attacks being elsewhere, some comments:

    Attribution in cyber is hard, and the general public is never going to know the classified intelligence that went into making an attribution determination, and experts -- actual and self-appointed -- will make claims about what they think occurred.

    With cyber, you could have nation-states, terrorists organizations, or even activist hacking groups attacking other nation-states, companies, or organizations, for any number of motives, and making it appear, from a social and technical standpoint, that the attack originated from and/or was ordered by another entity entirely.

    That's a HUGE problem, but there are ways to mitigate it. A Sony "insider" may indeed -- wittingly or unwittingly -- have been key in pulling off this hack. That doesn't mean that DPRK wasn't involved. I am not making a formal statement one way or the other; just saying that the public won't be privy to the specific attribution rationale.

    Also, any offensive cyber action that isn't totally worthless is going to attempt to mask or completely divert attention from its true origins (unless part of the strategic intent is to make it clear who did it), or at a minimum maintain some semblance of deniability.

    At some point you have to apply Occam's razor and ask who benefits.

    And for those riding the kooky "This is all a big marketing scam by Sony" train:

    So, you're saying that Sony leaked thousands of extremely embarrassing and in some cases damaging internal documents and emails that will probably result in the CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment being ousted, including private and statutorily-protected personal health information of employees, and issued terroristic messages threatening 9/11-style attacks at US movie theaters, committing dozens to hundreds of federal felonies, while derailing any hopes for a mass release and instead having it end up on YouTube for rental, all to promote one of hundreds of second-rate movies?

    Yeah...no.

    1. Re:Prediction: by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reporting on the hacking seems to be missing something... what hole did they use, or was this just a password leak? What were the other movies (We know about "The Interview"...) that were affected by this hack?

    2. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korea lies.
      The U.S.A. lies.
      The MPAA and RIAA lies.
      Sony lies.

      Trust no one.

    3. Re:Prediction: by Nyder · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not sure what you are going on about, but here is the reality.

      North Korea didn't hack Sony.
      The President was quick to publicly blame North Korea. Said we would retaliate in some way.
      North Korea's internet goes down.

      What I see is a bully nation, the USA, blaming someone without the facts, saying they'd retaliate, which then someone did retaliate, so the USA is to blame because they incited others, or possibly they themselves are responsible for the internet downtime.

      Either way, the USA is the jackass in this whole scenario.

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    4. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although the hack would be a stupid way to drum up publicity using the aftermath to push a crappy movie wouldn't be too surprising.

    5. Re:Prediction: by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, you say, "North Korea didn't hack Sony," as if it is an indisputable, known fact. It is not -- by any stretch of the imagination.

      The fact is, it cannot be proven either way in a public forum, or without having independent access to evidence which proves -- from a social, not technical, standpoint -- how the attack originated. Since neither of those are possible, the MOST that can be accurate stated is that no one, in a public context, can definitively demonstrate for certain who hacked Sony.

      Blameless in your scenario is the only entity actually responsible, which is that entity that attacked Sony in the first place.

      Whether that is the DPRK, someone directed by the DPRK, someone else entirely, or a combination of the above, your larger point appears to be that somehow the US is to blame for a US subsidiary of a Japanese corporation getting hacked -- or perhaps simply for existing.

      As a bonus, you could blame Sony for saying its security controls weren't strong enough, while still reserving enough blame for the US as the only "jackass".

      Bravo.

    6. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, the USA is the jackass in this whole scenario.

      What kind of Bizarro world do you live in?

    7. Re:Prediction: by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At some point you have to apply Occam's razor and ask who benefits.

      At some point... Yeah, the very first thing to ask would be that.

      So, you're saying that Sony leaked thousands of extremely embarrassing and in some cases damaging internal documents...

      Or anybody shorting the stock... It took a dip for a while and is now rebounding.

      Please, people, get the silly politics out of your heads. This is strictly business. Could be some soap opera between Sony, Samsung, and LG, who knows, who cares, aside from the drama and intrigue for somebody's next movie.

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    8. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called extrapolation. Look it up.

    9. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of the same slashdotters who accept "experts" who claim NK didn't hack Sony will readily accept as truth that it was "obviously" the US that attacked NK, even though there is even less objective proof of that, and could just as easily be some Anonymous offshoot, or any number of other organizations, or even North Korea itself.

      See the logical disconnect, here?

      No, the problem here is that you are so narcissistic that you can't see that they were completely different people.

      Newsflash! The people you see posting on internet forums isn't a mindless single group of sheeple. Everyone who posts is different. It takes a certain kind of narcissism to to disregard so many people as a group.

    10. Re:Prediction: by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite right. In summary: none of us here in the peanut gallery have any real way to know who did what. Most of the opinions I've seen here seem to reflect whatever biases each opiner may have. The known facts are few and far between. Of course, I have my own opinions but I won't share them because they reflect my own biases.

      This thing is a bit like an Agatha Christie mystery. You may be certain who did it, but you don't really know until Christie tells you. Then you invariably find out you were wrong. Even the strategy of picking the least likely culprit doesn't work. Unfortunately, in this case, we don't have the author to tell us the "truth", so we likely will never know.

    11. Re:Prediction: by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The governments lie, the media lie. That's normal. That's the same in dictatorships and democracies.

      The difference is that in a functioning democracy, they tell different lies.

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    12. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is nearly a requirement that a Sony employee permitted the attack, in the sense that a system admin didn't have a box patched, or a security policy wasn't applied to a critical machine, or a security auditor didn't update a security policy, or that lack of sufficient management (in the process space, but personnel too) didn't see the policies carried out in a timely manner.

      With that said, it still doesn't say much about the purportrator, and countries generally allow people to visit from other countries, so a simple geo search is typically useless.

      If a security expert tends to think it's from NK, odds are that they are using a toolset (or leaving behind traces particular to a toolset) that NK is known to use. It's funny, but in some cases, the bugs in a penetration tool kit might be more interesting in determining the cracker than one might initially consider.

      I'm not in security, per se; but, it is on the corporate mindset enough that eventually you get some security training. However, I am in software development, so I can easily see how a not-reported, unfixed defect in such a toolkit can be very useful in knowing what technique was used to break into a computer. Also, it would be pretty easy to buy your way into having copies of such items if you had the money and motivation. You would just then need to match up the observable defects to the obtained tools, and that's (without much knowledge of the true details) probably how these people sourced the hack. It's likely a toolkit from NK (hence the credit).

      Remember that NK actively funds hacking toolkits. I'll wager they're not the only country that does so, but they openly brag about it.

    13. Re:Prediction: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should save that comment. I think you could use it in at least 80% of stories and be bang on-topic.

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    14. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also blameless is Sony. Who produced one of the worst movies Evar. Whoever hacked them deserves a lot of blame too, it would have disappeared in weeks without a ripple if they hadn't turned it into a First Amendment Issue. Who could possibly gain from publicising The Interview, and had just the right inside knowledge to expose it? hmm

    15. Re:Prediction: by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      Obama said he would retaliate, so it's a natural assumption, though for all we know Best Korea broke something while fortifying its defenses against this imminent attack. And while Sony may not have hacked itself, making itself look like an innocent victim of a powerful adversary rather than a negligent fool brought to its knees by teenage pranksters certainly is to its advantage

    16. Re:Prediction: by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      What kind of Bizarro world do you live in?

      Welcome to Slashdot!

    17. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Many of the same slashdotters who accept "experts" who claim NK didn't hack Sony will readily accept as truth that it was "obviously" the US that attacked NK, even though there is even less objective proof of that, and could just as easily be some Anonymous offshoot, or any number of other organizations, or even North Korea itself.

      Uhh, no, I don't hold both beliefs. I question NK hacking Sony because I question their competence among other things. An insider seems most likely and it's not as if NK wouldn't co-opt this. You talk as if we've never had good reasons to be uncertain before: remember the yellowcake? Yeah... Also, the cultural tells of this hacking group show them to be part of US culture, especially some of the political references. That doesn't mean they couldn't be affiliated in whatever way, but at some point, you lose much of any meaning in having NK "behind" the attack? Does NK support it? Yes, they've said so. Can they get hackers to do something like this again? That's what I wonder about.

      That said, I don't think the US government knocked NK offline or ordered others to do it. That makes zero sense. They seriously have like one router and most major companies have more internet presence than them. If you google it, you can find out about their IP space. Most experts have indicated that taking out NK is within the capabilities of nearly any decent hacker, so attribution here is quite hard. They may have even been taken out by multiple people. But they have barely any links to the internet to begin with (and mostly use their own internal net) so taking it offline is really pointless for the US and I don't believe our government did so. They gain much more benefit by monitoring it so DDoS is just a lot of annoying noise.

      But, as you say, there may be a lot we don't know.

    18. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bully nation? The US doesn't make threats about personally bombing Kim and his people back to the Stone Age every year or so.

      Hasn't it occurred to you that it just might not be the US? Any country could have knocked DPRK offline, and it would benefit them because people would blame the US, since there is no real way to find the true culprits. In fact, I've seen scenarios where some organization hacked itself when they were in a dispute with another, just so they could complain about it.

      As for belligerence, or whining about a movie making light of assassionations, lets be real here. DPRK threatened to nuke Australia, Japan, the US, and many other scenarios. The only reason the country hasn't been wiped off the map is because they are essentially a Chinese protectorate, the yipping rodent in Boba Fetts's chest blobs.

    19. Re:Prediction: by khallow · · Score: 2

      Just because it's "strictly business" doesn't mean that North Korea wasn't involved. They probably know how to short stocks too.

    20. Re:Prediction: by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's not Occam's razor, that's "Cui Bono?". Occam's razor says to not multiply entities excessively. But the problem isn't multiplying entities here, it's that there are already too many visible entities to reach a single conclusion. We know that the US govt. exists, that Sony exists, that lots of hacker collectives exist, that...etc. We don't know which are significant. We *do* know that all of the above are quite willing to lie when it suits their interests.

      Pick a collection of known facts and make a hypothesis that you can't invalidate. Occam's razor won't help you pare things down, because the known facts support too many plausible stories. And NONE of them are testable. So don't believe your own story, or anyone else's. Realize that the story you choose to accept in this instance says more about you than about what happened, and don't believe it. You can't always know what actually happened. There are too many liars and too many suspects.

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    21. Re:Prediction: by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well of course! I exclude nobody. I just think the sentimental 'morality' play is just a bit silly. On the other hand, it always does draw a crowd. The big story to me is the reaction to the initial incident. It reveals the animal, and all the emotion clouds the judgement. The audience does not know and/or care that it is being played. They have become the movie.

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    22. Re:Prediction: by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...Merely a response to the OP. I would say Samsung and LG are far more significant than NK and media fantasy 'hackers' if we are going to ask 'cui bono'. If you want to narrow down your targets as quickly as possible, follow the money, not the politics (and certainly not the tabloid press!), unless there's family involved, that's a whole 'nother bucket of worms.

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    23. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice this story has completely obliterated the growing revelations about...Poof! Right into thin air....You missed it. Do you remember what it was? It was only two-weeks ago.

      Well played, gotta admit it.

    24. Re:Prediction: by daniel142005 · · Score: 2

      The problem is no one trusts the US anymore, they've been lying this whole time (NSA). The actions and media currently do not add up for it to be North Korea. For starters, what exactly would North Korea benefit? They had already publicly said that it was insulting, and there is no way they could prevent the movie from getting out.

      Possible people that could benefit:
      - The makers of the movie (or maybe Sony screwed them)
      - "Anonymous", as in online activists that are pro net neutrality. The terrorist threat basically forced them to release it online, which is the first time that's happened from a major studio.
      - Google. Sony is a part of the MPAA and after the leaked emails they accused Sony of astroturfing. The MPAA is currently costing Google quite a bit of money in both wasted time and advertising.
      - The United States, any branch of the government could have played a role. Even contracting it out to a 3rd party. Easy excuse to blame it on NK. The FBI could also use the attack as a "cyber 9/11" in the sense that it could be used for cyber-security laws.
      - North Korea, if they were really that upset over the movie. Seems unlikely... they should know the power of a DDOS on them.
      - Another country that would benefit from us getting involved in a conflict with North Korea, which could be anyone.

      That's just the ones I can think of, but NK just doesn't seem to make sense.

    25. Re:Prediction: by dj245 · · Score: 1

      Just because it's "strictly business" doesn't mean that North Korea wasn't involved. They probably know how to short stocks too.

      The broken english used in the threats is a match to a google translation from gramatically correct Russian. That doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. Since the Russians hacked the NASDAQ as recently as July 2014, maybe they had something to do with it. And Russians are known to enjoy manipulating stocks

      Mind you, I don't think this has anything to do with manuipulating stocks. I think it is far more likely that it was some person who didn't like Sony very much and the deflection onto the DPRK was just a red herring. But if shorting stock WAS the angle, the Russians have a lot of experience doing it.

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    26. Re:Prediction: by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      My guess is that they exploited the sony root kits that was on the servers from an IT guy wanting to listen to some tunes while grepping logs.

    27. Re:Prediction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical wonkey monkey throwing sense around like you're in a tropical forest!

    28. Re:Prediction: by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Attribution in cyber is hard [lawfareblog.com], and the general public is never going to know the classified intelligence that went into making an attribution determination, and experts -- actual and self-appointed -- will make claims about what they think occurred.

      Is that all that classified evidence that Iraq was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction? The US Government is going to have to earn that kind of trust before they can be believed in anything.

  8. They have a good point by Nyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the US & Obama was quick to blame NK, when it was very unlikely they did it, and security experts are pointing out left & right.

    Because Obama saying NK did it and we would retaliate, and suddenly NK internet goes down, fuck ya, we are guilty as fuck.

    We wrongfully blamed the NK, got people to believe our lies and then DDos or whatever happened to NK's internet. All on our heads.

    Our government owes NK a big ass apology and honestly, our government, from the congress critters up to the president, including all the various NSA, CIA, and rest of the stupid shit needs to be replaced.

    This is not the America I'm proud of, I'm not a bully and not happy with the bully tactics America does.

    Time for a change, time to take America back.

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    1. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to North Korea

    2. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Time for a change, time to take America back.

      So you are going to vote for Obama again?

      inb4 he can't run again. It's a figure of speech, idiot.

    3. Re:They have a good point by Nyder · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not going to reply to anonymous cowards. If you got the balls to challenge what I say, then log in and let your opinion be heard.

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    4. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ok, so how was it unlikely that NK did the hack?

      Was it because they lacked motivation, having a potentially head-of-state embarassing movie about-to-be released?

      Was it lack of intent, considering that they claimed they would damage (and I'm being kind with the wording) Sony and Japan for the movie's existence?

      Was it lack of ability, considering that it is impossible for a person to know how to use a computer in NK? (Sorry, internet learning is easy, and if they can design nuke processing plants, they can operate a computer skillfully.

      The experts are pointing out that there is a strong possibility that NK did it, and you are reading that NK didn't do it because we didn't prove it. Mathematical proof is only applicable to Geometry. The rest is really following a rule system (US Legal, US Science aka. 95% confidence, or preponderance of the evidence).

      No such thing as real proof at the standard you are thinking. Even a signed, non-coerced, witnessed confession under oath can be a lie.

      You say we wrongfully believe NK did it. Perhaps, we do; however, it is much more likely that we are correct when in comparison to wrongfully believing that any other country in the world did it. It's a cheap shot to say we are wrong, when you back up with nothing but hot air, and we are acting on the best information that is available.

    5. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "US Science aka. 95% confidence"

      Don't forget that this "proof" is only that the opposite of the scientist's theory is false.

    6. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How ridiculous can you get? The only people in NK that an Internet outage affects are Kim and his minions. Boo hoo hoo. Meanwhile, the ordinary citizens of NK have no access to food!! We owe Kim an apology? What universe did you just come from. Idiotic.

    7. Re:They have a good point by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      How do North Koreans get mod points, anyway?

    8. Re:They have a good point by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      They buy them on Tor with Bitcoins . . . just like everybody else.

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    9. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so how was it unlikely that NK did the hack?

      Technical fingerprints: the tools used in the hack were not unique to NK and the hackers' "C&C infrastructure" was public proxies. This renders worthless all of the FBI's proof against NK since it was based on no one else having these tools or IPs.

      More technical fingerprints: Sony has been hacked by everyone for years. It can be assumed that multiple hacker groups were inside Sony at any time, and any one of them could have been the one to take over Sony's network and destroy their data.

      Motive: One of the GOP hackers has been identified as a Sony sysadmin who said their motivation was equality. Sony had been caught paying a newly hired male executive $1 million more than a woman with the same job title a few months before that sysadmin lost their job at Sony. The stuff about North Korea came after the equality claim, after the media raised it as a possibility.

    10. Re:They have a good point by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 0

      Where is the U.S. you're proud of?

      To be fair, when was the last time the U.S. displayed the slightest form of constructive or productive greatness? I great up saying the pledge of allegiance everyday. I had to memorize it and recite it constantly. It's hilarious how we day after day talked about :
      I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United State of America and to the republic for which it stands.
      One nation (under God)
      Indivisible
      With Liberty
      And justice for all.

      One nation? When is that true?
      Indivisible? Then how come every time a non-Texan is elected, a formal request is made by Texas to leave the union?

      With liberty? In the period of the past 40 years I've been alive, that word has had its definition amended in American dictionaries more times than any other word.

      With possibly the exception of the U.K., is there any country in the "civilized world" with less civil liberties than Americans? When I was a 6 year old child standing in the first grade stumbling through the pledge, I had no idea what the word liberty meant and I wish I had so I wouldn't have spent 20 years lying to myself thinking we had them.

      Justice for all. Here's justice for you. Every year we teach millions of children in school about about a guy named King George III, we attack him, we burn him on a cross every time. We have a document called the declaration of independence which documents how this evil man was a tyrant and did horrible things to us. Yet, when we read the real history books, we find out that he was a great supporter of the American people and used what little power he had to fight parliament on the behalf of the colonists. He was practically a hero, not an enemy or a tyrant. 200 years later, we still teach our children to hate him. If we didn't than the entire foundation of our country would be a lie. So, our justice for all might not have much to it.

      American's stand on shoulders of giants and most of those giants (about 60 percent of them) are immigrants or first generation Americans. We raise our children to hate. We raise our children to have a sick and disgusting need to be special. What does it mean to be special? Well, it means you're great at something. And if you can't be great at something, you can be great by joining a club like a church or a religion or a political party. If you can't do that, then you can be great because there was a characteristic of the vagina your were squeezed from. For example, you can be special because you're white, black, chinese, etc... you can be special just by having been forced through fluid and fat from between the legs of a person who was also great for being a certain color.

      American's love to buy their greatness. Consider an iPhone or an Android phone. You can be fashionable and special and great by owning the exact same phone as 40% of the rest of the population. You can even be more special by aiming the speakers and microphone away from you and walking through a mall yelling at the phone so everyone will see you have it. You can also buy a phablet which allows you to have a combination between a one sided horse blinder and a phone.

      Let's talk politics. What makes America greatest of all. We televise EVERYTHING!!! We have two teams.. the red and the blue and they enter an arena and day after day people all across American pray for something awesome like a proper conflict where these two teams will go to battle with each other using words. We choose the players for our teams based on their wittiness and ability to make the other team look like a bunch of fools. We love this sport since if you play it right, you can have more players in the arena than the other team for 2 or more years at a time. The goal of this sport is to win no matter what. At the start of any battle, one team will pick a topic. The other team will (based on principle) choose the opposition no matter what. To be a player on either of these teams, the only actual requirement of your pos

    11. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not going to reply to anonymous cowards. If you got the balls to challenge what I say, then log in and let your opinion be heard.

      You are just as anonymous as me or the 'coward' you are referring to. Be brave, and post your real name, phone number and home address. Do it faggot(TM).

    12. Re:They have a good point by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      Hung up on the messenger are you? Try replying to the message

      And no, that wasn't me, I'm just somebody who believes the anti-AC thing is just a childish cop out employed by people who are full of shit.

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    13. Re:They have a good point by thrich81 · · Score: 1

      "Where is the greatness of America anymore?" -- you asked, here's one answer -- New Horizons, NASA space probe, launched 19 January 2006. Due to fly by Pluto on 14 July 2015. After that, headed to interstellar space, following the other four American space probes leaving the solar system; there are no others. American made, American operated, American funded. (with nods to the other fine nations who are operating interplanetary exploration programs)

    14. Re:They have a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still you have Equality - your nation was founded on it. Ok the equality they really meant was with the other landed gentry of the empire. Ie you had to be male , over 30 and own land to be able to vote.

      But hey you were still founded on equality. America fuck yeah #1!

    15. Re:They have a good point by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      I'm with ya up until apologizing to NK.. Their leader is a really awful person, and even this isn't worthy of an apology for the most part - this is a drop in the bucket compared to how he runs his country and treats North Koreans. I agree there ought to be an apology tho: to the rest of the world for whipping this into such a ridiculous frenzy.

    16. Re:They have a good point by readin · · Score: 1

      No fan of Obama here, but I figure he has a little more access to information about who did this than you or I do. I HOPE he wouldn't retaliate unless he was pretty confident in his intelligence agencies' reports. I have trouble imagining he would retaliate against NK if he was pretty sure China or someone else did it. But I could imagine him needing to if it were required to avoid letting China know how much we know about them.

      Given all that NK has done to us and our allies over the years, I don't think we owe them an apology even if they are innocent of this particular crime. We could take down their internet for a couple years and still come nowhere close to making up for all the American, Japanese, and South Koreans they have killed and kidnapped over the years. Or for the thousands and thousands of our fellow humans (North Koreans included) they have killed and tortured.

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    17. Re:They have a good point by readin · · Score: 1

      I'm with ya up until apologizing to NK.. Their leader is a really awful person, and even this isn't worthy of an apology for the most part - this is a drop in the bucket compared to how he runs his country and treats North Koreans. I agree there ought to be an apology tho: to the rest of the world for whipping this into such a ridiculous frenzy.

      Not to mention all the stuff he and his government have done to us and our allies.

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  9. Human Rights anyone? by cwebb1977 · · Score: 0, Troll

    North Korea is a brutal dictatorship outside of human rights and everything human, but that's nothing compared to a little speech that's not pro-Obama and maybe racist. Boo. Don't you dare touch the nobel peace prize winner!

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  10. While you were out... by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 0

    Hey, North Korea, while you were down the USA accused you of hacking into Sony Pictures, and causing trouble for the movie "The Interview" that makes fun of you. Is this why you think we pulled the plug on you?

  11. it could just be a meme over there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I married someone from eastern europe, I heard phrases more than once such as "talking to you is like throwing peas at the wall" (unlike spaghetti, peas don't stick) that just don't translate well. It is a common saying there.

      Might it be that this comment about monkeys is just a 'phrase/parable/meme' that gets used to describe an attitude?

  12. Lizard Squad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My money is on Lizard squad being behind both the Sony hack and NK's lack of internet connectivity, sadly when others stole the cred for both of these awsome hacks they were forced to turn to ddosing xb-live and psn in order to get some attention...

    1. Re:Lizard Squad by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd rate that funny, even though it cannot be proven false.

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  13. Calling the Kettle a Tropical Monkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are just as guilty as the US & Obama on judging before all the facts are in. Truth is there will always be plausible deniability.

  14. He does have abnormally large ears... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But if we are going into such childish comparisons then Kim is a fucking hippo.

  15. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The U.S. is most likely responsible for hacking Sony, and then conveniently blaming it on North Korea. The U.S. will make up any enemy and reason it needs, and act as a great divider that pitches enemies against each other whenever it can. Deceitful politics from a deceitful country, and the world must realize the U.S. can not be trusted.

    1. Re:I agree by HiThere · · Score: 1

      And my hypothesis is the China did it as a favor to the US. But I can't prove it. And neither can you.

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  16. North Korea always has the best disses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still chuckle every time I think of the time they called Donald Rumsfeld "Human Scum". This one is especially colorful though!

    1. Re:North Korea always has the best disses! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Scum I can see, but human?

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  17. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where have you been the last 30 years? What president hasn't lied? Did you just discover the light under your rock?

  18. Network research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you done any kind of network research regarding North Korea? Some interesting questions:

    - How is NK connected to the Internet
    - What IP address ranges does the country hold
    - What kind of hidden websites could be discovered behind the .kp top-level domain

    1. Re:Network research by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      NK has a single /24 allocation.

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  19. flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG!

    You need a flash player to view this site.

    On /.

    How low is this new admin aiming to go?

    Oh and fuck the beta even though I haven't yet seen it!

    1. Re:flash by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You need a flash player to view this site.

      What are you blathering on about?

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    2. Re: flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what it said when I opened the site. It seems to work without, but I'm still annoyed it even said that.

  20. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    He's a politician. What the hell did you expect?

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  21. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    So is Obama your first exposure to a politician?

  22. Re:well it is true by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    Are you just intentional dense? Using monkey as a slur against blacks is centuries and centuries old.

  23. Ape by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Oooooook!

  24. PSYOPs vs PSYOPs by fhage · · Score: 0
    Our PSYOP is way better than their PSYOP.

    They completely missed the 22 Asian babies Obama had roasted for the Whitehouse Christmas dinner. Lamer Noobs.

  25. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    LMGTFY

    George Bush Monkey Photos

    Bush haters, from the days when Obama was merely organizing communities.

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  26. Re:well it is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're all essentially APES, you insensitive monkey!

  27. I take offense by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    I take offense at the comparison. I like monkeys.

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    1. Re:I take offense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah! Monkeys, racoons, and cops are cute little furry animals, until they get into your house...

  28. Re:well it is true by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

    Is it centuries old in North Korea?

    I'm not really sure why the PC police even care about this. Did they not have a reason to dislike the North Korean government until the government used a term that these people have decided is offensive?

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  29. meh; North Korea and GOP are similar. by WindBourne · · Score: 0

    Both North Korea and GOP love to call O names and blame him for everything, while denying that he ever does any good.
    Both are total trash.

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  30. why? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    He is simply doing the same thing as any neo-con/tea* is doing.

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  31. Not again... by luismontbau · · Score: 1

    Stupid remarks. We're all simians. Stop calling black people monkeys. Mr. Obama is a democratically-elected president. You're part of a communist hereditary monarchy. There are no human races. There is but one human race. Topic over, now lets turn and face infinity and eternity, as they are lying in front of us, waiting.

    1. Re:Not again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Topic over, now lets turn and face infinity and eternity,

      Einstein said something like "Two things I know to be unlimited, namely human stupidity and the universe. But I might be mistaken about the latter."

    2. Re:Not again... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Topic over, now lets turn and face infinity and eternity, as they are lying in front of us, waiting.

      BAH! You're swimming in it.

      And remember, folks, Korea is a democratic republic, and not only that, it's a peoples republic, says right there in the name. Words have meaning, right? Everybody tells me that all the time. Now, excuse me while I go take another Valium so I don't feel the heat

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  32. You Can't Top This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes, you can't top the title of a post with a comment!

  33. A monkey? by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Monkeys like to throw shit around but they are mere amateurs compared to politicians.

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  34. CorpGovMedia wants those NK markets open to it by leftistconservative · · Score: 1

    CorpGovMedia wants those North Korea markets open to it. CorpGovMedia (the conglomeration of Mega-corporation, federal government and the corporate medi that runs america) wants more more MOAR profits and GDP, and it sees North Korea as a source of growth. So CorpGovMedia is using propaganda on americans to manufacture consent for invading North Korea. Once the NK government is toppled, the mega-corporations can move in and started making a profit.

  35. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Does parsing words so people will come to the wrong conclusions count as lying?

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  36. I Don't Think It Was Us by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Our responses tend to be a bit more... killey.

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  37. Re:well it is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well being called president of the USA is pretty offensive

  38. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Those aren't racist though. All white people are not sometimes described with the same descriptor.

    The bush pictures are firmly and clearly comparing his intelligence and facial features. Sure maybe making fun of the way people look is something one can't do anything about, so it should be viewed the same, but its not. One could argue intelligence is somewhat inherited as well, so where do you draw the line? Should we not call out morons in power?

    I'm no obama fan and i certainly think bush is a war criminal, however it is a mere coincidence that monkey in one context means one thing and monkey in another means a complete other, and both are being used to describe presidents at a time.

    There are far worse insults to throw at obama that aren't racist. Like how he uses robots to murder people because its more humane. Or how he is just the same in power as anyone else and he is really a hopeless president.

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  39. Re:well it is true by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    Are you just intentional dense? Using monkey as a slur against blacks is centuries and centuries old.

    This reminds me of a story from over 30 years ago when I was a kid growing up in New Jersey. One of the mall Santas got fired because he called a kid "a little monkey". Well, he called lot's of kids that, but it wasn't really an issue until he called a black kid that. Poor old Santa. He needs to realize that you can't just go around turning a blind eye to race and color and treating everyone the same. Being impartial is racist.

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  40. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But he's actually a monkey-level intellect, that's the funny part. Fingerpainting is his prior art.

  41. Back at ya! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now I'm turning my head towards the little North Korean Fat Kid(tm), and I'm sticking my tongue out and have my thumbs in my ears and I'm flapping my outstretched fingers back and forth, and I'm saying "Blahhhhh" and "Na-Na-Na-Boo-Boo". Take that North Korea. Take that North Korean Fat Kid (tm). I see your petty slur, I match with childish hand gestures, and up the ante with obscene Italian hand gestures (including raising my right outstretched arm forward and up, and placing my left hand at my right elbow, and bending my right arm vertical (from wrist to elbow) while from elbow to shoulder its horizontal. I follow this up by dragging the tip of my thumb forward across the bottom of my front teeth. So there!

  42. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by khallow · · Score: 2

    however it is a mere coincidence that monkey in one context means one thing and monkey in another means a complete other, and both are being used to describe presidents at a time.

    Why did you even bother to write what you did? The contexts are obviously the same. It's meant to be a very insulting comparison. There might come a day, say in some "Planet of the Apes" future where being compared to a monkey is meant to be a compliment, but that obviously is not today.

    There are far worse insults to throw at obama that aren't racist. Like how he uses robots to murder people because its more humane. Or how he is just the same in power as anyone else and he is really a hopeless president.

    Let's hear some of these insults.

  43. Norks fear DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a thriving illegal DVD market in North Korea. The leadership security apparatus is in a tizzy over having a DVD circulating with the dear leader being assassinated in it. In a comedy no less.

    Sony should send the movie straight to DVD and fund distributing it into North Korea as revenge. Then it should start releasing a movie about North Korea every year.

  44. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

    Those aren't racist though. All white people are not sometimes described with the same descriptor.

    Uhhh...what?

    Plus, Obama obviously isn't a monkey. He's an ape!

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  45. Re:well it is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you just intentional dense? Using monkey as a slur against blacks is centuries and centuries old.

    This reminds me of a story from over 30 years ago when I was a kid growing up in New Jersey. One of the mall Santas got fired because he called a kid "a little monkey". Well, he called lot's of kids that, but it wasn't really an issue until he called a black kid that. Poor old Santa. He needs to realize that you can't just go around turning a blind eye to race and color and treating everyone the same. Being impartial is racist.

    How about discontinuing the practice of name-calling period? How about doing something revolutionary and calling a person by their name or title?

    "Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language." - Written by some famous dude in the mid 1930s.

  46. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by HiThere · · Score: 1

    If you do it on purpose, yes.

    I do not presume that all lies are reprehensible. But intentionally misleading someone is a lie. Some times, however, staying silent isn't a real option, and speaking honestly would be injurious (to someone, perhaps yourself).

    OTOH, false and defamatory statements *are* always reprehensible, even if the entity you are commenting about is excessively vile. And true statements can never be defamatory, except to a lawyer or a judge.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  47. Re:Monkeys deserve more respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you intend for them to come to the wrong conclusion, yes. Your desire is for your audience to believe an untruth. Lawyerisms are CYA to keep morons at bay "Shucks, he really did say we couldn't keep our doctors with Obamacare. Guess we can't be angry."

  48. Re:well it is true by aevan · · Score: 1

    And referring to elected officials as 'head chimp' 'bumbling apes' and for forth is old as well. Just because the current president is black doesn't mean 'oh shit what we've meant for decades is suddenly something else!'. What's next, having to rename 'towel boys' the moment a Shikh gets the job?

  49. Re:well it is true by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Also, most of us, including Obama, don't live in a forest or jungle.

    That said, I mainly consider the statement defamatory to monkeys. People are the ones who are loose with words.

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  50. Re:well it is true by itzly · · Score: 1

    Calling kids "little monkeys" is not name calling.

  51. We're all a bunch of monkeys by itzly · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  52. Re:well it is true by aevan · · Score: 1

    Thus spake Mr. Coward.

    Btw bonus irony points for saying 'famous dude' instead of a name or title =P

  53. This is really offensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot believe that a sovereign country would say something so offensive. How dare they accuse the U.S. of disrupting their internet?

  54. Re:well it is true by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    Actually, given the time period, it might have been Mr. Coward who said it.

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  55. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Troll

    The monkey thing is only racist if a white person calls a black person a "monkey".

    However, this incident has North Korea comparing Obama to a monkey, so it can't be racist. Many people here in the US believe it's impossible for non-white people to be racist.

  56. Re:meh; ___ and ___ are... (Now with Mad Libs!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both North Korea and GOP love to call O names and blame him for everything, while denying that he ever does any good.

    Both are total trash.

    Ooh, are you playing the same Mad Libs I am?

    Both _____ (Political party/Organization/Country/Race/Person) and ______ (Different Political party/Organization/Country/Race/Person) love to call ______ (Someone affiliated with a third Political party/Organization/Country/Race) names and blame him for everything, while denying that he ever does any good.
    Both are total trash.

    Here's a few of mine!

    Both Democrats and the French love to call Bush names and blame him for everything, while denying that he ever does any good.
    Both are total trash.

    Both White People and the KKK love to call Black People names and blame them for everything, while denying that he ever does any good.
    Both are total trash.

  57. Kim Koulter by HughJazz · · Score: 0

    http://mediamatters.org/video/...

  58. Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest,"

    Snow coffee.

  59. Chimps (and humans) are Apes, not Monkeys by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Ooook! Don't say the M-word near the Librarian!

    You're thinking of the "Bush or Chimp" website. We're not monkeys!

    And as the other poster said, at least in America, calling black people "monkeys" is specifically racist; calling white people that is just a non-racial insult.

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    1. Re:Chimps (and humans) are Apes, not Monkeys by readin · · Score: 1

      And as the other poster said, at least in America, calling black people "monkeys" is specifically racist; calling white people that is just a non-racial insult.

      If you're racist yes. But if you're not racist you'll be an equal opportunity insulter and will be stunned when someone says you're racist for calling a black person something when you weren't even thinking about his race.

      You see that deer-in-the-headlights look from Republicans a lot. They insult someone for behaving the way they do and suddenly a overly-race-conscious liberal calls them "racist" and they're so surprised they don't know how to respond. There's the initial "huh, what?" then the "oh yeah I guess he's (whatever particular racial group is involved" then the "but what does that have to do with.." then finally the fucking pissed off "why are you calling me a racist when you know damn fucking well I wasn't thinking about race" and then the liberal goes into smug mode.

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    2. Re:Chimps (and humans) are Apes, not Monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing is that Bush has a higher IQ than obama and has accomplished more difficult things (seriously obama puts the A in the word affirmative action).

      So if Bush was a 'chimp' as some of our good leftards have named him (when he actually is smarter than most of THEM) doesnt THAT make them on the evolutionary scale 'the monkeys'?

    3. Re:Chimps (and humans) are Apes, not Monkeys by Barsteward · · Score: 2

      trashing the economy, starting illegal wars and nearly bankrupting the US is not a "difficult thing", repairing the problems caused is though

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  60. Re:well it is true by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    I seem to remember "Chimpeach" referring to dubya.

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  61. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by Barsteward · · Score: 1

    "He's an ape!" - just like the rest of us

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  62. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Well, duh!

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  63. So, does this mean ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... Kim Jong Un is aping the Ku Klux Klan?

  64. How do they justify to their people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sucession of leaders in USA, or almost every other country on earth, for that matter?

  65. Schoolyard bully.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    North Korea reminds me of the loudmouthed 90 pound schoolyard bully who has a 300 pound wide boy behind him. They wouldn't dare inflame the US, what with it's pretty deadly military arsenal and troops, if they didn't have Russia and China behind them.

  66. An alternative thought? by slater86 · · Score: 1

    This is entirely possible. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-cont...

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  67. Re:More Anti-Republican Prior Art by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

    ...There might come a day, say in some "Planet of the Apes" future where being compared to a monkey is meant to be a compliment, but that obviously is not today.

    Calling an ape a monkey in POTA was an insult to the ape... Just sayin'.