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AirAsia Flight Goes Missing Between Indonesia and Singapore

iONiUM (530420) writes As reported by many news sources, yet another plane has lost contact during a trip. This comes on the heels of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 which is still missing, and Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which was shot down. From ABC's coverage: Sixteen children and one infant were among the passengers. At a press conference this morning, Indonesian officials said the plane was several hours past the time when its fuel would have been exhausted. The six-year-old aircraft was on the submitted flight plan but requested a deviation because of enroute weather before communication with the aircraft was lost. The plane was under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control and had been in the air for about 42 minutes when contact was lost, AirAsia said.

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  1. who cares how many children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    were on the flight, as if adult lifes did not matter just as much.

    1. Re: who cares how many children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Children have more time left to live. So, children's lives ARE worth more.

      Now, when they say WOMEN, that's where there's an obvious sexist bias. Women's lives AREN'T worth more than men's.

    2. Re: who cares how many children by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No. Children are underdeveloped and require a considerable amount of investment before they create value. Compared to adults where the investment has already been made and who now cannot pay it back, children are worth less.

    3. Re: who cares how many children by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the value of an asshole that spends his evening judging the value of others he has never met?

      You mean, like you're doing right now? Good question.

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    4. Re:who cares how many children by ledow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try watching it on the news.

      In Italy: "There were no Italians on board" x 5 within the space of a 2 minute news article.

      In England: Even BBC News has a headline "Only one Brit onboard".

      The crash isn't news if they're foreign or old. Same as everything else they portray on the news. War in the Middle East that involves no European/American countries? Barely mentioned. The US says something about a war in the Middle East? News article. The US is IN the Middle East, can't move for "news" of it, down to deaths of individual soldiers (an unprecedented coverage of a war).

      TV News doesn't care about the news. They care about making you go "Oh my God!" when you see it, so you keep watching through the adverts.

  2. Developing Story by spacefight · · Score: 5, Informative

    With regular updates: http://www.aeroinside.com/item...

    1. Re:Developing Story by geekymachoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot - News for nerds, stuff that matters.

      So... airplane crashes and other huge international events is not what matters to a nerd ? To a nerd the only thing that matters is C, Linux, ASM and Stephen Hawking ? Talk about narrow mindedness.

      Why is there one of you commenting every time airplane crashes ?

    2. Re:Developing Story by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read it on the BBC and came here for the discussion - as with any story, if you don't like it, skip it. Nothing is forcing you to read or take part in comments, so why bitch and moan about Slashdot covering something you personally don't like.

  3. Sixteen children and one infant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is that so important? Are the other passengers just some randoms we shouldn't give a shit about? Not that we truly do, anyway.

    1. Re:Sixteen children and one infant by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because children are presumed innocent, and tragedy befalling innocence turns the emotional value of the story up eleventy times.

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    2. Re:Sixteen children and one infant by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Adults have lived some of their life. Kids have missed out on things most believe everbody should be able to do before they die, like their first kiss.

      Everybody here actually understands this, I have no idea why you all picked now to suddenly act like you're Mr. Spock.

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  4. Re:Note to Self.... by Panoptes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Point of information - this wasn't Malaysia Airlines, it was AirAsia.

  5. Coffin Corner? by mentil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The pilot tried to ascend over a cloud. My guess is that he hit the coffin corner, stalled, and crashed.

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    1. Re:Coffin Corner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      mentil has a point, according to this report:
      "A radar screenshot leaked from AirNav Indonesia shows the aircraft had turned left off the airway and was climbing through FL363, the speed over ground had decayed to 353 knots however."
      http://www.aeroinside.com/item/5119/indonesia-asia-a320-over-java-sea-on-dec-28th-2014-aircraft-went-missing-believed-to-have-impacted-waters

      slowing could be related to a stall

    2. Re:Coffin Corner? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unlikely. It is extraordinarily difficult to crash a plane because you hit the coffin corner. The moment you stall, you lose altitude, and you're no longer in the coffin corner. A simple stall recovery, and you're back in normal flight. The A320 in particular is designed so the computer will automatically recover from stalls if the pilots simply release all controls. It takes severe disorientation or stupidity (e.g. one of the pilots on AF447 kept directing the plane to pitch up without telling the other pilot what he was doing, as the other pilot was trying to pitch it down to recover from the stall) for a plane to crash because of this.

    3. Re:Coffin Corner? by jbwolfe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The moment you stall, you lose altitude, and you're no longer in the coffin corner.

      The moment you stall, you are outside the flight envelope which includes that corner. You remain outside until you recover from stall. Losing altitude is not a stall recovery technique. Restoring laminar flow over the wing is. That may involve sacrificing altitude for airspeed, assuming you still have enough elevator authority to reduce AOA. Another method is to use excess thrust, assuming it is available at that altitude (the higher you are the, less available.)

      A simple stall recovery, and you're back in normal flight.

      Stall recovery in large swept-wing aircraft at cruise altitude is anything but simple. It requires a great deal of patience and energy management to avoid secondary stalls. Once recovered, you remain in alternate or direct law- no more normal law until on the ground and reset.

      The A320 in particular is designed so the computer will automatically recover from stalls if the pilots simply release all controls.

      Untrue. When you stall an A320, you revert to alternate law (hopefully with speed stability), as normal law will not let you stall. If you stalled, something went wrong. The flight control computers are saying essentially that "I cant fly the plane anymore- you the pilot must do it." It will not recover without pilot intervention.

      ...one of the pilots on AF447 kept directing the plane to pitch up without telling the other pilot what he was doing, as the other pilot was trying to pitch it down to recover from the stall

      This did happen, and they were disoriented but not stupid, just poorly trained. The aircraft also gave them a "dual input" aural warning and averaged their inputs. The first sense to disappear when under stress is hearing. They were under stress and poor training in stall recovery left them unable to prevent secondary stalls. This was one of many other factors to this particular accident as well as all accidents in general.

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  6. Re:Russian media reports flight downed by US missi by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's doing nothing of the sort. The linked story appears to be a Pravda op-ed piece quoting Foreign Minister (?) Alexei Pushkov to the effect that Russia isn't really isolated internationally despite the efforts and claims of President Obama to this effect. A native speaker could provide more detail, but that's the gist of it. As for the missing plane, I don't see a single mention of it anywhere on Pravda's main or Asian news pages.

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  7. Reddit live thread by Zanadou · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reddit live news thread: http://www.reddit.com/live/u5b...

    Honestly, compared to most news sources these days, it's probably the best one to read.

  8. Re:Because No One Ever Said by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Funny

    Right. Since it's a well-known fact that children of most travelling parents are transported via shipping container to join Mom and Dad at their destination.

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  9. Re:Don't take airplanes piloted by the Malays by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has everything to do with the race of the pilot: the pilot didn't race away from the missile quickly enough!

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  10. Re:Escort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > I wonder how viable it would be to just quietly escort flights in that region with stealth aircraft for a while to determine what's actually happening.

    With thousands of flights a day, there aren't enough military jets and support crews to do that.

  11. Re:Don't take airplanes piloted by the Malays by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

    The plane was flying the filed pattern and was where it was authorized to be. The airline should have re-routed it, but that's not entirely the pilot's call. Like the weather, they rely on the word of others for the conditions, then do what they can with that information. They were told the flight path was safe, and it was the one the owners of the plane he was flying told him to take. How is that his fault for being off course?

  12. Re:Note to Self.... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Point of information - this wasn't Malaysia Airlines, it was AirAsia.

    More precisely it was Indonesian AirAsia, which is a separate company to AirAsia BHD as Indonesia prohibits majority foreign ownership on airlines. Indonesian AirAsia has its own staff, management and maintenance.

    It should also be noted that AirAsia BHD practically owns Indonesia AirAsia as they completely funded the holding company that owns the other 51% of the stock.

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  13. Re:Escort by ledow · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.planecrashinfo.com/...

    Commercial aircraft go down anything up to 20 times a year, even in modern times. Back when you were a kid, likely 30 times a year or more.

    Already we have this lot:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

    That's one every two weeks. One of the ones you hint at was, what, July and over an entirely different continent anyway.

    Learn some statistics. You soon find that people have selection-bias on what they see in the news, what they perceive as a "close fact" (being a plane heading TO Malaysia crashing in another continent, instead of one heading from Malaysia that crashes near Malaysia... very different things), and what they want to lump together to form some kind of extraordinary circumstance.

  14. Re:Don't take airplanes piloted by the Malays by jbwolfe · · Score: 2, Informative

    The airline should have re-routed it, but that's not entirely the pilot's call.

    The route and safety of flight are shared responsibilities between the dispatcher and pilot. The final authority rests with the Captain per regulation. Were the captain to feel deviation or complete re-route was necessary, he had full authority and responsibility to do so. Where ATC is not accommodating, he can exercise emergency authority to preserve safety of flight.

    ...it was the one the owners of the plane he was flying told him to take.

    Point of information: The "owners" explicitly do not have that authority.

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  15. Re:Don't take airplanes piloted by the Malays by ihtoit · · Score: 2

    check your sources: US airlines (and most if not all European ones) studiously AVOID Syria AND Ukraine AND Iraq PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNATED WAR ZONES. Malaysia, AirAsia and other Far Eastern airlines which generally seem to have saving as much fuel as possible as the pimary profit motive, IGNORE war zones and yes, they do fly over them regularly.

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