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Vast Nazi Facility Uncovered In Austria; Purported A-Bomb Development Site
schwit1 (797399) writes "Suspiciously high radiation levels around the Austrian town of St. Georgen an der Gusen had long fueled theories that there was a buried bunker nearby where Nazis had tested nuclear weapons during WWII. Those suspicions came one step closer to being confirmed last week after the opening of a 75-acre underground complex was dug out from below the earth and granite used to seal off the entrance, the Times of Israel reports. The excavation team was led by Austrian filmmaker Andreas Sulzer, who says the site was "likely the biggest secret weapons production facility of the Third Reich" — a facility that probably relied on forced labor from the nearby Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and may have even been the testing location for a nuclear bomb, the Daily Mirror reports. The weapons facility was believed to have been manned by SS General Hans Kammler and situated near the B8 Bergkristall factory, where the first working jet-powered fighter was created, International Business Times reports; Sulzer first got wind of the site after seeing references to it in an Austrian physicist's diary.
The Washington Post cautions that while "the full scope of what occurred inside those reported chambers in the Austrian town of St. Georgen remains unclear and Sulzer’s conclusions are speculative, some analysts are already trumpeting the findings. ... The reported findings, if corroborated by further inquiry, could add fresh fodder to an ongoing debate over the Third Reich’s ultimately failed attempt to secure an atomic weapon."
Film-maker digs through granite, measures radiation, concludes there have been nuclear weapons. Right. It's not like granite is one of the most radioactive materials in the world.
If they were truly the Master Race, they would have realized that banking is the way to go to control or destroy the World.
Look it now. Merkel pretty much controls Europe - thanks to the Deutsche Bundesbank. And without a single shot fired. I think I'm gonna send my kids to Merkel Youth camp where they can grow up to be bankers, make billions for doing nothing other than rent seeking, fees, bonuses and commissions.
STEM?! Pfft! That's just a fairy tale that's told to you peons to keep you in line.
Some of these claims seem to be overblown.
If you take a look at the Manhattan Project, you get an idea what efforts in research and production (i.e. uranium enrichment) were required.
The Nazis never had a programm that came anywhere near these dimensions.
All they had was a handfull of phsysicists (most of the best had emmigrated to the US anyway) and a small research reactor.
So while there was some nuclear research, there never was a atomic bomb or anything close to it in Germany.
And the tunnels? The whole 3rd Reich and it's occupied territories were tunneled mostly for the purpose of weapons production.
And St. Georgen-an-der-Gusen is about a good hour's drive away. I'll certainly visit the place once it is opened up for the public. It is quite amazing what lengths the Nazis went to in order to shelter their weapons production from Allied bombing. Just outside the town I now live in, the Nazis dug out an existing cave complex, which had been a gypsum mine up to WO II, until the volume was large enough to facilitate a complete HE162 jet fighter production line.
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Nazi zombies?
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
I just searched for St. Georgen: The current top story in local newspapers is: A lumberman was hit by a bouncing branch. Of course, that Nazi story can be found too, but it doesn't get a lot of attention. Nobody cares because there is simply no story. That filmmaker just dug a hole and found a staircase. That's all. Well, that's not a 100% correct: They also found an army helmet, an army bike and several warning signs. Not really surprising, since it was a well known nazi base. But hey, maybe the staircase will indeed lead to a super-secret 75-acre nuclear testing underground complex dug by 320.000 inmates that died from it. Or maybe these numbers are simply completely bogus too. The actual number of victims in KZ Gusen (I + II + III) was 44.600, that includes children and people that died from exhaustion after they were freed).
That's where BJ Blazkowicz busted out of, with my help.
You are wrongly informed, did not search deeply enough, or maybe simply don't read German ? A team of Austrian archeologists is preparing to start digging, as soon as the weather allows it, i.e. as soon as precipitation and hydrology levels are so low as to let them work without danger of being suddenly flooded. Here in Austria, this would typically be from the end of April to the beginning of November.
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Of course I can read German. Sure, there is probably something there, some tunnels, a storage area maybe, but a secret/unknown "75-acre underground complex"? Those articles are totally exaggerated. There is no evidence at all for anything. Currently it's just rumors.
If TFA is about Nazis?
How on earth would you Godwin this? Comparing the Nazis to the Nazis is a bit redundant.
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It's the original Hydra base.
dug by 320.000 inmates that died from it. Or maybe these numbers are simply completely bogus too. The actual number of victims in KZ Gusen (I + II + III) was 44.600
regarding the 44.600 you seem to forget, that KZ Gusen has been a part of KZ Mauthausen-Gusen, where the number of 320.000 murdered imprisoners has been taking of, like TFA also states.
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"Iron Sky is a 2012 Finnish-Australian-German[4] comic science fiction action film directed by Timo Vuorensola and written by Johanna Sinisalo and Michael Kalesniko.[5][6] It tells the story of a group of Nazi Germans who, having been defeated in 1945, fled to the Moon where they built a space fleet to return in 2018 and conquer Earth."
We have only three years left to get ready!!! :-)
Seriously though, the Nazis show what can happen when soulless bureaucracy gets out of control... And modern schooling was invented in Prussia and made possible the Nazi war effort built on people unquestionably following horrific orders... ... Before you can reach a point of effectiveness in defending your own children or your principles against the assault of blind social machinery, you have to stop conspiring against yourself by attempting to negotiate with a set of abstract principles and rules which, by its nature, cannot respond. Under all its disguises, that is what institutional schooling is, an abstraction which has escaped its handlers. Nobody can reform it. First you have to realize that human values are the stuff of madness to a system; in systems-logic the schools we have are already the schools the system needs; the only way they could be much improved is to have kids eat, sleep, live, and die there. Schools got the way they were at the start of the twentieth century as part of a vast, intensely engineered social revolution in which all major institutions were overhauled to work together in harmonious managerial efficiency. ... A huge price had to be paid for business and government efficiency, a price we still pay in the quality of our existence. ... Part of what kids gave up was the prospect of being able to read very well, a historic part of the American genius. Instead, school had to train them for their role in the new overarching social system. But spare yourself the agony of thinking of this as a conspiracy. It was and is a fully rational transaction, the very epitome of rationalization engendered by a group of honorable men, all honorable men -- but with decisive help from ordinary citizens, from almost all of us as we gradually lost touch with the fact that being followers instead of leaders, becoming consumers in place of producers, rendered us incompletely human. It was a naturally occurring conspiracy, one which required no criminal genius. The real conspirators were ourselves. When we sold our liberty for the promise of automatic security, we became like children in a conspiracy against growing up, sad children who conspire against their own children, consigning them over and over to the denaturing vats of compulsory state factory schooling."
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"I'll bring this down to earth. Try to see that an intricately subordinated industrial/commercial system has only limited use for hundreds of millions of self-reliant, resourceful readers and critical thinkers. In an egalitarian, entrepreneurially based economy of confederated families like the one the Amish have or the Mondragon folk in the Basque region of Spain, any number of self-reliant people can be accommodated usefully, but not in a concentrated command-type economy like our own. Where on earth would they fit?
And:
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"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security."
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
While that number is not reasonable by itself and far to high ("only" 200.000 people were deported to Mauthausen and its subcamps), even if it were correct, not all of those prisoners were vitims of slave labour digging a huge underground complex. I guess someone looked into WP and simply took the highest number it could find.
Don't worry, they had to stop digging because the local authorities mysteriously started insisting the excavators apply for some new permits. Those responsible for the safekeeping of the vault with the Holy grail and the Ark of the Covenant, etc are already in the process of using one of the secret secondary backdoors out of the facility to move all the valuables to one of the backup storage vaults.
By the time they resume digging, there will be an empty chamber for them to find.
How on earth would you Godwin this? Comparing the Nazis to the Nazis is a bit redundant.
That's just the kind of thing Hitler would have said!
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"The state exists to serve man."
FTFY
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Kammler can be linked to every fantastic and most absurd idea on nazi secret projects. However there is a caveat - till now I have never seen his name in any document that can be surely sourced to any atomic project nazis may have had. None, zero, nada, nechego...
The most striking fact that Kammler had nothing to do with nukes is how real nazi nuked scientists tried to survive the last days of the Third Reich. Most interesting was how Heisenberg managed to find food and other essential things for his family - he got help from an old acquaintance working at one of Kammler's key labs! For that, he came to town on a bycicle and the acquaintance was shocked by his shabby looks. So Heisenberg was a lost soul at the end of the war.
Nukes and Kammler, until someone proves the contrary, don't cope. However, this does not mean someone may still find some mega-leftovers of Kammler's Underground Empire. For the sake of what? Well he surely was an early participant of "Amerika Bomber" project, still in a very classical form. He also was the V-2/A-4 boss and there are tons of questions on how deep was his knowledge and participation of such projects like the A-10. He once worked at Luftwaffe and seemed to have been in good relations with Goering, so he could know about such wonders as the Silbervogel. And, at the end he was the last boss of the nazi jet projects (which was the reason why von Braun suddenly stopped at Oberammergau, with this guy breathing at his back). While war demanded some humbleness, it was usual to see many nazi projects exploding into mega-machines. I wouldn't be shocked to see the last of the last of Kammler's projects, the Messerschmidt P.1101, having a megabrother nearby. Or maybe it was just for the P.1101 itself! Once tested, they had to be produced somewhere, in large numbers, in very, very large numbers.
So the huge, nearly empty bunkers. Maybe for one of these bloated conceptions of World Domination. And nukes were just speculation, still without any proof of concept. At the end of the War, nazis still thought that the key to victory was the Very Big, Surely Bad and Really Ugly.