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Dish Introduces $20-a-Month Streaming-TV Service

wyattstorch516 writes "Dish Networks has unveiled Sling TV, its streaming service for customers who don't want to subscribe to Cable or Satellite. From the article: "For $20 a month — yes, twenty dollars — you get access to a lineup of cable networks that includes TNT, TBS, CNN, Food Network, HGTV, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, the Disney Channel, ESPN, and ESPN2. ESPN is obviously a huge get for Dish and could earn Sling TV plenty of customers all on its own. ESPN just ended another year as TV's leading cable network, and now you won't need a traditional cable package to watch it. For sports fanatics, that could prove enticing. But Dish has hinted that there may be limits on watching ESPN on mobile thanks to red tape from existing deals between the network and Verizon."

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  1. Trademark foul... by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 2

    Isn't "Sling" somebody else's trademark for a like product?

    1. Re:Trademark foul... by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Sling trademark is owned by Dish's former parent company Echostar. Dish network's new offering, Sling TV (announced today), is a new service being offered -- it is not being offered under the Dish Network brand, but as its own product.

    2. Re:Trademark foul... by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Because in order to use a Sling Box to stream those channels, you need to have a cable/satellite service to provide the content. This service streams the channels so you don't have to subscribe to a traditional cable or satellite provider at a rate most likely higher than $20 a month.

      It's possible that this service isn't better than other options for some viewers. It may be exactly what others are looking for. It's never a bad thing to have multiple options, especially in an sector that's typically a monopoly or oligopoly.

  2. Re:Lawsuits already in progress by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aereo didn't get the right licensing agreements with the local broadcasters... Dish already has the right contact list from its DBS business.

  3. Excuse me while I blow a kiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    To say goodbye to Comcast. I have been caught with the problem of family members who wanted those certain networks.

    Now...bwahahaha.

    1. Re:Excuse me while I blow a kiss by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      Isn't this thing kind of like Netflix, but worse and more expensive?

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    2. Re:Excuse me while I blow a kiss by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Netflix doesn't have ESPN.

      That's not a bug, it's a feature!

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    3. Re:Excuse me while I blow a kiss by nobuddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is us vs the in-laws. We cut cable years ago and are fine with netflix and hulu (and Plex streaming our massive DVD collection)
      When the inlaws come over, they are floored at the concept that we cannot watch sports. We really don't care to, but that does not figure in to their calculations.

  4. Maybe you didn't read it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dish is already a provider. And pays the partner networks when online streaming like they do for satellite broadcast. They are only streaming networks that have agreed to the arrangement, which explains the limited selection.

    Now what is likely to happen, is that cable companies (Comcast & Time Warner) will fight it. Because Dish customers are likely to be streaming over internet-only cable services in some regions where DSL is not practical. (hell, when is DSL ever practical?)

    1. Re:Maybe you didn't read it? by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (hell, when is DSL ever practical?)

      I'm streaming over VDSL. Not as fast as comcast but the advantage is that is not comcast.

    2. Re:Maybe you didn't read it? by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I had mod points, I'd mod you up. NotComcast is the primary reason I pay for DSL.

  5. And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by toonces33 · · Score: 2

    I for one resent paying for very expensive programming that I never watch.

    1. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I understand your desire for a la carte programming, but live sports is what stops a *lot* of people from cutting the cord and just going to Hulu, Netflix, Prime, or SomeOtherService.

      Getting ESPN is a Big Hairy Deal for cord cutters, and it's the title of the article. Your only other option was to hope that your cable provider let you tune into ESPNU or similar from your IP range...or to pirate your college sports.

      You can think of this as ESPN is $20 a la carte, and includes some free channels with it :)

    2. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by TheAngryMob · · Score: 2

      It would probably be about $10/month. ESPN is the most expensive channel to license for cable providers.

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    3. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      How much without ESPN? How much with BBC America? That is, BBC America without 30 minutes of commercials in a 60 minute program? Because I am paying for it.

      I really just want A La Carte. Tell me what each "channel" costs and let me pick the ones I want. I might even end up paying more than $20. And I won't pay for my local channels, I can get those OTA for free already; and better quality in most cases than what cable or satellite will deliver to boot.

    4. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by borcharc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I will sign up for any option that lets me not pay for sports. fuck the sports tax.

    5. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Al-a-cart is currently illegal due to the structuring content providers talked the FCC into years ago.

      A la carte is now and always has been legal. The cable providers don't offer it because they sign contracts with the content owners which make it unprofitable (they can provide channels a la carte, but if someone picks Disney Kids, the cable company must pay Disney for ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN West, ESPN 7, etc. But there's nothing legally or contractually preventing the cable company from selling Disney Kids a la carte. It's a financial model problem, not a legal or contractual one.

    6. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Arguing that the contract requires they purchase unrelated channels to get a single channel is not contract related is a bunch of horseshit. It IS a contractual problem, because the content providers refuse to sell channels outside bundles which essentially forces bundling on the provider.

      Personally I believe this is a regulatory action the government should take, they should make it illegal to force bundle channels to providers and require that they sell channels to all providers on equal terms and without bias. There should be a cost to that government granted monopoly and one of them should be that they can't discriminate against delivery methods or require the purchase of entire channel catalogs to get a single channel. We've given these companies the ability to destroy competing delivery services which has resulted in monopoly collusion between content creators and distributors. This monopoly should be broken, and laws should be passed to prevent it from ever happening again.

      I personally don't believe distribution companies (ie cable & sat companies, netflix, etc) should be able to own content and that allowing that to happen has resulted in a significant portion of the last decades price increases for content.

    7. Re:And how much WITHOUT ESPN? by ranton · · Score: 2

      2. We're already paying for the games by watching the damn advertisements, so why should we have to pay for ESPN? Remove the ads and put on a radio announcer instead of the "color commentary" announcers and I'll gladly pay $5/game (= about $60/year to ESPN = $5/mo).

      Just because you are paying something by watching advertisements, does not mean you are paying for it in full. Think of it more like the advertising is subsidizing part of your cable bill, not paying it in full.

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  6. Re:Interesting by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    People are sick of paying their cable company $100/mo for TV.

    So let's pay $20/mo to 3-5 different places, then $50/mo for some form of internet (DSL, Cable, Fibre). Yikes!

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  7. Re:Delivery medium by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    What is so interesting about this netflix, hulu, and the like is that the customer is no longer paying for the delivery of the goods :: just the goods themselves.

    What do you mean? Netflix and Hulu give away free broadband ISP connectivity to their customers? And Netflix and Hulu have free massive pipelines and distributed hosting to the internet? Man, that's pretty cool. Just because Netflix doesn't directly own the wires between the content and your house like ye olde cable companies doesn't mean that the customer is not paying for the delivery of the goods.

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  8. ESPN by Maltheus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ESPN is the reason I cancelled Dish in the first place. It's the most costly channel in their lineup and I got sick of subsizing it. Had they chosen better, cheaper channels, I would have considered it.

  9. Re:Interesting by zlives · · Score: 2

    and wait for comcast/cable provider to bundle TV for free for their now 200$ per month internet

  10. Re:Depends by grahamsaa · · Score: 2

    TFA clearly states that there will be no contract and service will be offered on a month to month basis.

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  11. commercials = FAIL by markdavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Total FAIL. It is streaming only, no DVR. That means you will happily be forced to watch commercials. I wouldn't even take the service if it were free.

    1. Re:commercials = FAIL by markdavis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, they are all already out of business because of DVR's on cable and satellite services? I think not. The cable and satellite companies DO pay for access to the channels (and quite a bit, at that). And even with ability to fast forward through commercials, many people (myself included) still see things and stop and play interesting/relevant commercials.

      I am neither clueless nor cheap. I know exactly how this stuff works and I will not pay any price for content which forces commercial viewing. And if that means I have to pay more for access to the channels... fine. So how is that clueless or cheap?

      I am certainly not alone in this feeling. The genie is out of the bag, and many of us will never go back. Next step- I want to pay for only the channels I want/watch. I am tired of subsidizing extremely expensive and totally uninteresting sports channels and other such nonsense.

    2. Re:commercials = FAIL by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The amount that goes to service and the amount that goes to the actual content provider are not divided so neatly into that fee structure. Advertising most definitely does not cover $100/month of the cost for the majority of people. The cost to the content provider comes out of part of that $20, and possibly some comes from the commercials. The biggest reason for commercials is as it always has been with pay TV: it's an easy way to get some extra revenue.

      When cable TV was new part of the rationale given by marketing and word of mouth is that you don't have to put up with commercials. And indeed in the early days that was true, you only got commercials for those programs that were rebroadcast (not counting interstitial promotions for their own upcoming shows and the like). Ie, MTV was music videos all day and all night with the occasional commentary and news from "VJs". Even up until recently there were channels still like this, such as IFC or AMC not interrupting movies with ads. However it was not long until cable companies realized they could double dip and get subscription fees plus advertisement dollars, with only "premium" channels having fewer ads.

    3. Re:commercials = FAIL by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      This happens all the time, it's just not as visible as to the reasons. Highly rated shows with loyal fan bases find out their favorite show is gone mid-season and replaced with a reality show. The media industry is not the sort of devil you need to stay loyal to because it's most definitely not loyal to you.

      Times change. The Home Shopping Network may have to figure out a new way to make money. It is NOT our job as consumers to subsidize companies like they were charities, corporations need to learn to treat the customers like real people. You certainly don't go to the grocery store and are forced to purchase Cheez-Whiz with every purchase of carrots, the customers wouldn't put up it. Maybe it's sad that my local grocery store doesn't carry the brand of food I want but that's ok. So why do we have to put up with it with an entertainment service? The reason is that with grocery stores we have competition and with cable companies we have had to settle with monopolies for a long time. The times changed and now the brick walls of the monopolies are crumbling.

      If they can't figure out how to make money in a competitive environment then that's too bad, maybe I'll feel sorry for them but I will not give them my charity dollars!

  12. Re:Interesting by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll warn you that TWC is like most providers. They will charge you though the nose for a "dry" internet connection (i.e. when you only have internet service with them). The delta between internet and TV with internet is just about $20 and add phone for another $10 (with per/min charges). Add a few dollars for the cable box and this deal will only be a small gain over an internet connection and TV.

    Verizon FIOS is worse than that. They charge me over $100/month for 25/25 net only. If I added their premier TV service, I'd be at $140 or so with taxes and equipment for 2 TV's and they'd bump my internet speed to 50/50.

    Where I get where this idea is headed and I would really like to just pay for what I need, I'm still money ahead to go with the full service from Verizon..

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  13. Re:Delivery medium by geekoid · · Score: 2

    "..customer is no longer paying for the delivery of the goods.."
    yes we are. We pay for them to have an internet service, a website, and everything else you need to deliver the goods.

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  14. Re:Interesting by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you do anything on the Internet besides stare slack-jawed at videos?

    I mostly post on ./ at work.

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  15. Not Illegal by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the FCC:
    Are cable systems required to offer "a la carte" and pay-per-view channels?

    No, but they may choose to offer channels on a stand-alone basis ("a la carte") or as a pay-per-view channel. Commission rules also prohibit cable systems from requiring customers to subscribe to any tiers beyond the basic tier in order to have access to a la carte channels or pay-per-view channels offered by the system.

    'Out your ass' is not a legitimate source.

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  16. Re:Finally by bobbied · · Score: 2

    I can't wait to call Comcast.

    Careful... You will still need internet to stream this and unless you live in googleland where fiber abounds and fast internet connections are cheep (where is that exactly?) you will still need to pay Comcast for an internet connection. Get ready to be taken advantage of. Buying just internet service can get expensive beyond what you now see on your Comcast bill for that "package" deal you get on internet. Expect them to bump that up if you don't buy TV from them.

    For me, the differential between my single 25/25 internet connection and a 50/50 connection with all the non-premium HD TV channels is about $40/month for 2 TVs. Take a look at Verizon's "pick your own package" prices online to see what I mean. What they do with their pricing isn't very intuitive. For example, I've been a Verizon customer for nearly 10 years, yet the "New customer" advertised price is almost 1/3rd cheaper than they will give me because I'm an existing customer. I've never missed paying the bill and have rarely called them to support my internet connection, but they'd rather get a new customer than keep me, even when I asked them to just match the new customer deal for me.

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  17. More commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not paying to watch commercials, sorry.

  18. Re:Interesting by dk20 · · Score: 2

    Thankfully Canada introduced UBB (Usage Based Billing) to prevent stuff like this from taking off here.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

    How long until everyone else adopts UBB to thwart the offerings from competitors?
    (Yes, i know there are companies offering unlimited access and i have my service with one of them).

    Looks like even "Rogers" (early UBB adopter) has started offering "unlimited" plans as an add-on.
    Odd, they said they needed to charge for usage as a small number of customers were "hogging" all the bandwidth. Guess they "solved" that and now if you pay $25 you no longer "hog" the available bandwidth?

  19. Re:Lawsuits already in progress by TheSync · · Score: 2

    Dish already has the right contact list from its DBS business.

    Dish may have the "contact list", but certainly it does not yet have the rights to stream broadcast television stations on the Internet without entering into an agreement with those stations (which likely would mean additional retransmission fees).

    Of course you can already watch broadcast stations for free over the air in actual HD quality, as opposed to the very likely lower quality streaming unless you can keep a 10 Mbps H.264 stream going continuously over your Internet connection.

  20. I would pay 5x as much by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    So let's pay $20/mo to 3-5 different places

    Works for me when the difference is having to watch a show when broadcast vs. at any time I like without having to remember (or know) to record it.

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  21. Re:Interesting by Bourdain · · Score: 2

    They will charge you though the nose for a "dry" internet connection (i.e. when you only have internet service with them). The delta between internet and TV with internet is just about $20 and add phone for another $10 (with per/min charges). Add a few dollars for the cable box and this deal will only be a small gain over an internet connection and TV.

    Perhaps so, but I have TWC in NY and pay just $34.99/month for a 50/5 connection (granted, I think it is rated lower but if you use a docsis 3.0 modem on an otherwise slower priced connection, you get higher speeds) and just use a few shared accounts for netflix/hbo go/nimble tv/amazon/WatchESPN all on a Roku3 that come to something like $10-15/month

    perhaps doing this is somewhat against the TOS of those services, but last time I checked, TWC bundling prices is against the terms of service of the federal government...

  22. Re:No Fox News channel? by Dwedit · · Score: 2

    They were going to offer the history channel, got the package bundle all ready to go and everything, except ALIENS.

  23. Lawsuits already in progress by jordanjay29 · · Score: 2

    Considering that Dish is a reputable company that needs to preserve its relationship with networks, I have a feeling they've already done the legal footwork to set this up.

  24. Re:No Fox News channel? by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fox News is number one on cable for a reason, and most of you will never understand that reason.

    Masochism?

  25. Re:Interesting by Kasar · · Score: 2

    On the positive side, Comcast doubled speeds to many customers in response to growing fiber coverage in the Portland market. Competition might keep them a bit in line, they can't match gigabit offerings over fiber.

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  26. Can I leave out ESPN and CNN ? by bobjr94 · · Score: 2

    then get a lower rate ? Ive read espn is the most expensive basic channel to carry, I havent watched it for years (ever ?) along with 80% of the other channels.

  27. Re:Lawsuits already in progress by TheSync · · Score: 2

    You can, as a Dish subscriber, view any channel right now over the Internet.

    As a "Dish subscriber" you can stream on authenticated devices, but not as a "Sling TV subscriber". That would require another contract between Dish and content providers.