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Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ
An anonymous reader writes: A pair of gunmen have stormed the office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and wounding seven more. The magazine had recently published a cartoon of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and witnesses say the gunmen shouted, "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad," before leaving. "Four of the magazine's well-known cartoonists, including its editor-in-chief Stephane Charbonnier were reported among those killed, as well as at least two police officers. Mr Charbonnier, 47, had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection." The attackers engaged police in a gunfire outside the building, then fled in a car. At the time of this writing, they are still at large. Currently, the BBC has the most information out of English news outlets. French speakers can consult the headline at Le Monde for more current news.
the religion of peace....
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Inviting inflammatory discussion?
If the first two threads are any indication....
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
There's a low but non-zero chance that we might actually have an insightful conversation about free speech and the costs thereof but I wouldn't hold my breath. One of the new civil rights is the right not to be offended by anything at anytime....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
All the more reason to share and repost the cartoon across the internet.
They bombed the London Tube for Allah
They bombed the Madrid train station for Allah
They crashed planes into the World Trade Center at NYC and at the Pentagon for Allah
A film director was murdered in the Netherlands for Allah
Hostages had been killed in Sydney for Allah
And now, at least 12 person have been cold-bloodedly slaughtered, in Paris, for Allah
In the name of "Allah", who will be the next victim ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
This is the response of the fascist ideology known as Islam to freedom of expression.
Check this response from CAIR back in 2005 to riots and violence in France.
You can't make this shit up.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Now we can have the obligatory "Islam sucks" conversation, which will lead to the inevitable "all religion sucks" conversation, both of which are infinitely more enjoyable than simply leaving it at "Crazy people suck."
Actually, France has been dealing with a growing problem; namely, radical Islamists who have been busy turning entire neighborhoods within France into Sharia-run enclaves. No desire to integrate into society, and indeed, they'd prefer France become a caliphate.
Moderate voices, or efforts by moderate muslims to clamp down on this mess? Nowhere to be found.
The UK has been seeing a rise of this as well, and Germany has recently seen backlashes by neo-nationalist elements against similar problems found there.
Long story short, this is a hell of a lot more complex than you make it out to be, and points to a growing problem throughout the EU. The US sees only a small fraction of this issue (see also the town of Dearborn, MI) by comparison.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Charlie Hebdo is the name of the office you shot up, and i hardly imagine its going to avenge anything. 4 years ago, you firebombed the offices and razed them to ashes. It didnt work. Charlie Hebdo kept printing, and in the wake of something that would have sent any other newspaper in America scrambling to retreat Hebdo hardly seemed to care. Stephane Charbonnier, the editor in chief, issued a statement that referred to the attempt at censorship not as terrifying or vengeful, but just 'irritating.' You were nothing more than an irritation after property damage, but if history is any indication you've just opened a hundred new offices for Charlie Hebdos of all shapes and sizes. If you didnt want the prophet depicted, if he was in fact sacred, you've now effectively guaranteed Muhammad will be depicted voraceously, callously, and unabated for days to come.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Every media, newspaper, magazine, tv news outlet can provide their answer tommorow morning by posting direct on the front pages the cartoons of Mohammed - and simply state that Violence cannot, and will never win against the Pen.
However, media companies can also continue to self censorship as they have done now for many years, and leave small numbers of journalists and freedom fighters, to face these evil people on their own. Its a fucking call to arms - Its high time people understood on both sides that any form of respect towards a religion has to be earned and that religion will not be allowed to dictate what equates in terms of liberty and free speech.
This attack is the spear end of a much larger one on freedom, free speech and liberty by Islam and Muslims - and its been taking place over dacades. Its a serious fight, and should not end on the death of some Charles Hedbo office in France.
We have plenty of guns...the French, no so much. Well, except for the Terrorists. They seem to have plenty of guns.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Here is uncensored video of the gunfight with a police officer, then the execution of the police officer. I think it's good for the public to see these kinds of things, so they can fully appreciate the reality of the threat posed to our society.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i...
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Yep
That's the modus operandi of your kind of apologists
Whenever them barbarians killing people in cold blood you guys will come out and blame the Christians, the Jews, and now, Moses !
Why don't you blame "GOD" instead ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Terrorists are people, who feel more threatened by a drawing than by drones,
Terrorists are people, who fear small girls with books more than death,
Terrorists are people, who use bullets because their mind cannot work with words,
they are not scared by torture or surveillance, but truth and freedom.
Maybe instead of representing solidarity with a silly hashtag it'd better for us all to exercise free speech by posting a picture of Muhammad. Not an overly offensive picture either, a simple stick man would do.
This craziness isn't going to stop until the media and us people in general start standing up for the things that we're always claiming to hold dear.
Murphey's fighting Occam, and we're in the stands.
We're being overrun by Islamics in the name of political correctness.
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Clearly these gunmen were victims, and we should not judge them for their actions. They should be rewarded for standing up against the big bad papers for printing cartoons.
This is the real irony. The Prime Commandment of Islam is that You Shall not add gods to God.
That's the reason why so much Islamic artwork is geometric or calligraphic and does not portray humans or animals. Because apparently Muslims are so weak against temptation that even the slightest glimpse of a female body will incite the faithful to uncontrollable lust and any picture or statue is a potential idol to be worshipped in place of Al-lah, The God. Even children's dolls have been made suspect, though the Prophet himself gives them a pass.
When the Prophet is portrayed, it is with his features obscured or veiled.
In other words, they treat him as a God.
And a weak God at that. Any god who needs the violence of armed men against the unarmed to protect Him is a feeble god indeed.
The Qur'an says it over and over again: God will be the judge. If you have faith that God is the all-wise, and all-powerful, you should have faith that He will take care of himself and his own and that no force on Earth can truly harm Him or those under His protection. And certainly not some silly pictures, whether ridiculing the faith or sympathizing with it. To assume the role of judge and punisher in the name of the one who can create and destroy whole worlds is an act of unspeakable arrogance. And that is true regardless of your religion.
as an american, i am confronted with limits other democracies put on free speech sometimes. for example: germany disallows nazi symbolism. as an american i am not as threatened by this symbol, as nazism never overran my country, and so i find myslef at first opposed to the german limitation as a violation of the right to free speech
but on deeper thought, i understand why germany would want to do this, and i see no conflict with free expression in the end. because the nazi symbol in germany clearly represents the ideology of ending free expression violently
so there is no logical conflict: all rights have natural, logical limits, they are not endless. in regards to the special case of using freedoms to actively seeking the destruction of freedoms
for example: you have a right to life, unless you threaten another person's life
you have the right to a free press, unless you use that right to call for violent limits on the free press
and, now, my point here: you have a right to free expression, unless you use it to advocate a limit on free expression violently
i'm not saying someone can't say "you should not say that." i'm saying no one should be able to say "if you say that, i will kill you"
no one should be allowed to use freedoms granted to them to deny others freedom
in this way, we have the right to limit hateful violent religious speech that calls for the destruction of the tolerance that allows that hateful violent religious speech to be spoken, and we are not violating our own free speech principles. the logical failure is with using freedoms to deny freedoms, not with the opposition to doing that. just like with nazi symbols in germany: it is not logically inconsistent with free speech to limit that symbol, because the symbol means destroying free speech
so i believe france should have the right to limit all religious speech that calls for the ending of fundamental rights violently. jail or expel imams and groups that call for violent attacks on free speech. there is no logical conflict with a rights-loving democracy to do that, because the only thing being limited is the cancer that actively seeks to end rights
there is no slippery slope here: no one should be allowed to oppose a fundamental freedom with violence. you invoke the right to stop someone's speech ONLY if that speech calls for violence to end to free speech
intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself
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intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
never mind the fact that this has been posted here well after it's already been on every other media outlet.. but why is this on /.?
Are freedom-of-speech issues not one of Slashdot's common themes?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Never has this quote from Voltaire been more true:
Those who can make people believe absurdities can make them commit atrocities.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
This can't be true. France has some pretty strict gun control laws. Terrorists and criminals should not e a ble to get hold of such weaponry. These reports must be wrong.
Have gnu, will travel.
Except that in the UK, the ban -- which they take very, very seriously -- actually DOES result in significantly less gun violence.
You may be personally opposed to a ban, but you can't argue in good faith that a bans can't EVER work when we have very clear examples of bans doing exactly what they set out to do.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
My hat's off to the murder victims. They had the guts and the courage of conviction to take on Islam. Let us honor these brave Frenchmen and their country.
My fellow Americans like to joke about French surrender and Googling French military victories ('no results found"). But that seems absurd to me because it's the French doing all the brave things while Americans cower in fear.
I do not see CNN or Fox News or Huffington Post or any other American paper taking on Islam. Politically correct cowardice is rampant in America, home of the chickens. American activists bravely take on Silicon Valley tech firms and Xbox gamers for misogyny while completely ignoring the Islamic treatment of women. That's like attacking a kid for playing with water balloons while ignoring the mafia guy next to him planting C4 car bombs. But I guess even cowards have to make themselves feel good by doing something... as long as there's no danger to themselves. Safety is important!