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New Collaborative Project Wants to Systematize Complex Problem Solving Online

New submitter albert555 writes A new collaborative project emerged lately and its goal is pretty ambitious: solving complex problems. Anyone will look to Google or Quora for the response of a usual question that requires one single answer, but nothing exists online to solve complex problems with multiple solutions. The website uses brainstorming techniques coupled with the Problem Tree Methodology to them. In simple words: decomposing the main issue into subsequent small-ones and providing solutions to the sub-issues, the result taking form of a node tree. Users are free to provide meaningful content to the nodes (and therefore may help understand the causes of the issues) or to provide solutions to the ultimate sub-issues. Contributions are placed under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license. While Wikipedia proved that collective intelligence could provide quality contents able to compete with the major encyclopedias. Eris Solver intends to channel the wisdom of the crowd to find the best solutions to the most complex problems available. The idea is interesting, though so far the project does not have contributions pouring in like Wikipedia does. You can add your own questions or answers; "user contributions to Solver questions and general questions [are] licensed under the CC BY-SA 4.0."

42 comments

  1. And what about net trolls? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How will this work in reality since we know that net trolls are frequent and willing to insert their skewed view into the results?

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    1. Re:And what about net trolls? by amplesand · · Score: 1

      That is an issue overcome by Wikipedia quite rapidly. One or a few trolls per hundred contributors are rapidly swamped out. Look at Slashdot. ;) My suggestion would be that the rather collaborate formally with Wikipedia, and tap their infrastructure, to get it going for real. I realize this may feel awkward and may hamper enthusiasm and funding opportunities if proposed the wrong way. Yet, it would give the idea a stronger start if they are more interested in their idea than in funding. Questions related to Strontium would be next the to the Wikipedia of Strontium, etc.

    2. Re:And what about net trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like the highest weighted branch/leaf is selected. It's not going to stop trolls from introducing bias but it's no better or worse than a +/- modifier on a potential solution (e.g.: solutions on sites like Stackoverflow). As for why it's not being adopted I would suggest that it's likely because it covers process and government/business/inventors/* tend to be secretive of process for competitive advantage.

      Let's say you were working in a lab somewhere trying to increase the amount of oil produced in sunflower seeds. There are a number of different ways you could approach engineering the plant appropriately (selective breeding, crossing, bioengineering, radiation, etc.) and any of the approaches taken would probably be successful to varying degrees. An open mapping of the results with such a tool would likely be beneficial to the public.

        Now go ask your boss if you can publish your results online for free for the public.

    3. Re:And what about net trolls? by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

      Crap. The fact is that Wikipedia has demonstrated conclusively that trolls can get organized and can swamp legitimate scholarship in order to promote bullshit theories and rewrite history.

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    4. Re:And what about net trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    5. Re: And what about net trolls? by jakesyl · · Score: 1

      When?

  2. Advertise somewhere else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuckoff

  3. If all you have is a hammer... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    Checked the site. Seems like the answer to every problem I saw is "regulate it".

    1. Re:If all you have is a hammer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inspired by your post, I also checked out the site. Short of creating a login, I was not able to see anything or do any kind of useful search.
      I tried selecting Natural Sciences | Chemistry | Organic Chemistry in hopes of maybe seeing an example question, but nothing showed up and there is no button for "summon next question."

      If I can't figure this bullcrap site out in the minute or two it takes to decide not the register an account, I doubt many other users will either.

    2. Re:If all you have is a hammer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks like its database is almost empty. Only 2 problems posted. Did the author post this story to slashdot immediately after setting up his site?

    3. Re:If all you have is a hammer... by skids · · Score: 1

      Yep. Wikipedia is successful because it takes input without an account, wich gets you hooked enough to actually create an account and also lets spam die a quicker death because even aloof bystanders can kill it. That and of course version control make reverts easier than spam. Like a few others that have burst on the scene with hopes of being "wikipedia for X", this site won't be very successful (unless its intended entirely as a credential collector.)

    4. Re:If all you have is a hammer... by Joviex · · Score: 1

      Not only that, WTF is Systematize?

      Seriously, maybe the first project they should run is how to teach native language writing to native language speakers.

    5. Re: If all you have is a hammer... by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      ... so slashdot editorizer Timothy is actualatedly Don King?!

  4. P=NP by frankenpc510 · · Score: 2

    I wonder if this kind of effort will eventually lead to a solid theory for the P=NP problem.

    1. Re:P=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it will not.

    2. Re:P=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you prove it in polynomial time?

    3. Re:P=NP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right after the Riemann hypothesis and Hodge conjecture. These are problems that have a ONE MILLION dollar prize are not going to just be solved by some idiots with a .com social media startup bigdata blah blah blah website

  5. I want more money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a complex problem. Please find a solution.

  6. Wikipedia "proved"? by binarstu · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the summary:

    While Wikipedia proved that collective intelligence could provide quality contents able to compete with the major encyclopedias...

    Wikipedia proved that "no cost and good enough most of the time" outcompetes "expensive and authoratative/reliable". I think this has a lot more to do with Wikipedia's success than the supposed quality of the contents.

    Wikipedia also wins on its huge breadth. If what you want from your encyclopedia is plot summaries of television shows and extensive biographies of those shows' fictional characters, Wikipedia is really your only choice.

    1. Re:Wikipedia "proved"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia is practically as reliable as the lucrative encyclopedias.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

    2. Re:Wikipedia "proved"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And without a hint of irony too...

    3. Re:Wikipedia "proved"? by Beck_Neard · · Score: 1

      > Authoritative/reliable

      Ha. Haha. Good one.

      If anything, it's more "Averaged opinion of a whole lot of people" > "Opinion of a small number of people"

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  7. I can contribute only a problem, solve this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make this problem solving setup work!

  8. Terrible Design, Doomed To Fail ... by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Informative

    Site requires a log-in, is difficult to navigate, doesn't look very fun or interesting.

    And has a "Copyright blah blah Consulting" remarkably visible on the page without scrolling, reminding you that unlike Wikipedia which is a non-profit, that you are contributing to someone's interest and ownership. Nothing wrong with that, but is marketing and perception fail immediately --- tone deaf.

    Regardless of the supposed license, unless you can download the database then the license is irrelevant --- and it has some nice -- "Yeah CC 4.0 for user contributed stuff" whatever that means ---and you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

    Crowd sourcing projects that succeed tend to be sincere in want to promote a common good (which may happen to be very profitable privately --- take Wikia which is the flip side of Wikipedia).

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    1. Re:Terrible Design, Doomed To Fail ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Crowd sourcing projects that succeed tend to be sincere in want to promote a common good (which may happen to be very profitable privately --- take Wikia which is the flip side of Wikipedia).

      There's lots of Wikis on Wikia which are Shittia (see what I did there?) than the official Wiki for whatever, but they refuse to just make those Wikis go away and they just sit around poisoning search results. If they were trying to make money by being good guys, they would do that. They aren't. They're trying to make money by shitting on the web. If some of that shit is useful to people, so much the better.

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  9. Can it solve the problem of Slashdot editors? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    A new collaborative project emerged lately

    Anyone will look for google or quora to the response of a usual question that requires one single answer

    I'm guessing the submitter's first language isn't English, which I shouldn't be able to do if the editors were doing their job.

    Still, nice to see a summary that isn't a copy-and-paste of a couple of paragraphs from the linked article.

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  10. Site is not secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This site mails back your password to you after signup. Maybe they need to solve their own problems first?

  11. Collaboration is severely limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collaboration on this site is severely limited. Everything i try results in "Your area of expertise doesn't correspond to the disciplines required by the creator of the question to respond to it"

    Nice way to invite others.

  12. Off topic (grammar) by kanweg · · Score: 1

    I'm not a native speaker either (too?). I think I can fix the second sentence
    (Anyone will look for google or quora to the response of a usual question that requires one single answer
    Anyone will look for Google or Quora for the response to a usual question that requires one single answer
    but I would probably write the sentence differently anyway)

    but what is wrong with lately in the first sentence?

    I would have written recently myself, but according to the dictionary it means the same.

    Bert

    1. Re:Off topic (grammar) by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It's a bit hard to put my finger on it, but suffice to say it just doesn't sound right to me. You would say "I've been very tired lately" but you wouldn't say "I went to Dubai lately."

      "Recently" applies to both events and situations, while "lately" really only applies to situations, particularly ones that are ongoing. To me, anyway. There are probably specific names for the different tenses, but I have no idea what they are.

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    2. Re:Off topic (grammar) by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      ... look *on* Google ... for

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  13. Oh my.... by drolli · · Score: 1

    so solving the comple problem will be reduced to the not less complex problem of weedign out the spam created by idiots?

  14. Re:Off topic - semantics by Livius · · Score: 1

    Lately means recent by nature, not merely recently.

  15. Re:Off topic - grammar by Livius · · Score: 1

    Lately means recent by nature

    and/or recent with non-punctual aspect.

  16. As far as I can tell, our biggest problems are by mark_reh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    political in nature. Science denial, a willingness to kill in the name of religion, etc. Can it address that type of problem?

  17. comment in the subject line? it seems disruptive. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Is it really annoying when you start your

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  18. and have you ever even READ wikipedia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wikipedia: for trolls, by trolls.

  19. Linux is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux is this very thing.

  20. I just tried to contribute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They require registration... Moderation should be done via IP bans and pre-approval of posts: NOT taxing users valuable time. At least make it OpenID so I don't have to further increase my generic bullshit password's attack surface.

  21. Re:comment in the subject line? it seems disruptiv by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    you don't have to read it if it annoys you.

  22. Sounds a lot like Justify. by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    This project seems to have similar ambitions to the Justify project. Justify's creator has a good overview of Justify and has published some thoughts about why softwear like this is important.

  23. recursion issue by surd1618 · · Score: 1

    In simple words: decomposing the main issue into subsequent small-ones and providing solutions to the sub-issues, the result taking form of a node tree.

    The entire community is going to get stuck on one of those unsolvable graph theory problems.