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Amazon Plans To Release 12 Movies a Year In Theaters and On Prime

An anonymous reader writes "Amazon has announced that it will begin to produce and acquire original movies for theatrical release and early window distribution on Amazon Prime Instant Video. From the article: "This is a big move from Amazon, as it seeks to narrow the theatrical release window to between four and eight weeks. It can often take up to a year for films to land on subscription video-on-demand (SVoD) services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime Instant Video, however they do typically land on DVD/Blu-ray within around four months. Production for the aptly titled 'Amazon Original Movies' program will kick off in 2015, and plans are afoot to create around a dozen original titles for release in cinemas each year."

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  1. Wow! Cool! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the Amazon ad!

    You're getting paid? I hope.

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    1. Re:Wow! Cool! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks for the Amazon ad!

      How is it an ad if they aren't selling anything yet?

      Anyway, I wish Amazon the best of luck. The incumbent film studios don't release many films for home streaming because they think people will have to go to the theater or buy the DVD. Instead, they are getting some competition that is willing to give customers what they what.

    2. Re:Wow! Cool! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Well, Amazon is purely releasing these to have something to sell on their streaming store ... so it's all about revenue for them.

      So, while it might give some new content to people, there's no guarantee it will be any good.

      If a company starts making films because of a dearth of things which can be streamed, and to cut down on the turnaround time between theatrical and streaming release ... well, that's pretty much just cynical marketing.

      If they produce garbage, other than padding their own pockets, then this "competition" is just pointless.

      What people want is the movies and content they want to see. They don't actually care about competition. And they certainly don't care about some "me too" dreck which was produced just to be sold to a streaming audience.

      All of these new services which want to be like NetFlix? Unless they add actual value, they're just another "it's like NetFlix, but with less content" service.

      Does Amazon have any history of producing good content? Or is this just out of the blue?

      I'm afraid I don't see how the decision to make films means they have any skills in the area.

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    3. Re:Wow! Cool! by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      How is it an ad if they aren't selling anything yet?

      The difference between sales and marketing advertising is that sales advertising is designed to sell an existing product while marketing advertising is designed to get the product in the mind of people who might eventually purchase it. In marketing the product need on yet exist. This is a marketing ad. It is the same as all the ads for movies that are yet to be released.

    4. Re:Wow! Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it an ad if they aren't selling anything yet?

      Duh. They are *always* selling stock. And vaporware ads draw investor money and create consumer interest.

    5. Re:Wow! Cool! by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Does Amazon have any history of producing good content? Or is this just out of the blue?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Studios

      They've been at it since 2013.
      One of their original shows just won Best TV and Best Actor at the Golden Globes.

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    6. Re:Wow! Cool! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Cool, never heard of it ... but I'm happy that they're apparently actually making good programming.

      Lots of people can make programming, but so few of them know how to make anything which isn't complete crap.

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    7. Re:Wow! Cool! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Hollywood has set the bar so low you'd need trenching equipment not to clear it. Every big-budget movie in 2015 will be a sequel or reboot. Pretty much the only Hollywood fare that I expect to be a little original are the superhero movies, which while they'll be a predictable sack of tropes, we've seen new stories within the established comic book worlds, so at least some original writing within that constraint (plus utter shit like the Spiderman stuff).

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    8. Re:Wow! Cool! by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      So ... sales lies to you once the product exists, and marketing starts lying to you before the product is done?

      Thanks for clearing that up. :-P

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    9. Re:Wow! Cool! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      How is it an ad if they aren't selling anything yet?

      Sorry, then it's hype, even worse. And I believe their competition is Netflix, not the major studios.

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    10. Re:Wow! Cool! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the Amazon ad!

      How is it an ad if they aren't selling anything yet?

      Are they not selling Amazon Prime service, with a one-year commitment requirement -- while this article talks about a feature coming sometime in 2015?

    11. Re:Wow! Cool! by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The incumbent film studios don't release many films for home streaming because they think people will have to go to the theater or buy the DVD.

      The filmmakers would generally prefer theatrical, since it has the best reach, tends to present the work in the highest quality, and contractual royalties and residuals are most favorable to theatrical release.

      The studios (the "producers" and production companies) are indifferent, they like making money off the movie wherever. They prefer theatrical because theatrical usually produces the most revenue but this isn't always true for all films.

      The distribution companies would love to launch everything day-in-date, and they love streaming since they usually get a fatter cut of the revenue.

      The theaters (the "theatrical exhibitors") are hell bent against day-in-date streaming because they believe they'll lose attendance to it. When a studio attempts to release a movie day-in-date on streaming or DVD, like Universal tried to do with Tower Heist, the theaters band together and refuse to release the movie. Theater chains generally won't agree to screen a film without a contractual blackout period.

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    12. Re:Wow! Cool! by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just speaking for 2014... Birdman, Unbroken, American Sniper, Selma, Wild, Grand Budapest Hotel, Whiplash. All sequels and reboots? This was an amazing year for movies and it's really not that exceptional. There's a lot of crap too but 90% of everything is crap.

      The big budget movies are usually franchises because franchises are the only way you can get half a billion dollars in box office. A lot of great movies are made every year. Judging Hollywood by Captain America sequels would be like saying Boeing only makes bombers.

      I mean, these Amazon movies won't be "big" budget by any standard, either, probably no more than $50 million.

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    13. Re:Wow! Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are referring to House of Cards, that is a Netflix show, not Amazon.

    14. Re:Wow! Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      nope, Transparent.

    15. Re:Wow! Cool! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      The incumbent film studios don't release many films for home streaming because they think people will have to go to the theater or buy the DVD.

      The filmmakers would generally prefer theatrical, since it has the best reach, tends to present the work in the highest quality, and contractual royalties and residuals are most favorable to theatrical release.

      The studios (the "producers" and production companies) are indifferent, they like making money off the movie wherever. They prefer theatrical because theatrical usually produces the most revenue but this isn't always true for all films.

      The distribution companies would love to launch everything day-in-date, and they love streaming since they usually get a fatter cut of the revenue.

      The theaters (the "theatrical exhibitors") are hell bent against day-in-date streaming because they believe they'll lose attendance to it. When a studio attempts to release a movie day-in-date on streaming or DVD, like Universal tried to do with Tower Heist, the theaters band together and refuse to release the movie. Theater chains generally won't agree to screen a film without a contractual blackout period.

      The Customers presumably don't count.

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    16. Re:Wow! Cool! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Hollywood has set the bar so low you'd need trenching equipment not to clear it.

      the bar as always been low.

      old farts (like me) do this thing where they remember only the good movies from their childhood. across a lifetime there are many memorable movies. movies were better when i was young! what they don't remember are the thousands of duds, of course, because they weren't memorable movies.

    17. Re:Wow! Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The incumbent film studios don't release many films for home streaming because they think people will have to go to the theater or buy the DVD.

      The filmmakers would generally prefer theatrical, since it has the best reach, tends to present the work in the highest quality, and contractual royalties and residuals are most favorable to theatrical release.

      The studios (the "producers" and production companies) are indifferent, they like making money off the movie wherever. They prefer theatrical because theatrical usually produces the most revenue but this isn't always true for all films.

      The distribution companies would love to launch everything day-in-date, and they love streaming since they usually get a fatter cut of the revenue.

      The theaters (the "theatrical exhibitors") are hell bent against day-in-date streaming because they believe they'll lose attendance to it. When a studio attempts to release a movie day-in-date on streaming or DVD, like Universal tried to do with Tower Heist, the theaters band together and refuse to release the movie. Theater chains generally won't agree to screen a film without a contractual blackout period.

      The Customers presumably don't count.

      As long as they show up no matter what sort of techniques are being used, why should they?

    18. Re:Wow! Cool! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Birdman, Grand Budapest Hotel, and Wild - are distributed in the US by Fox Searchlight, which is the "indie films" distribution unit of Fox. How indie these films really were I'm not hipster enough to have any opinion on, but Birdman and Wild premiered at film festivals, and GBH was a British-German co-production. Whiplash premiered at Sundance and was only picked up by Sony some time after that. Why would you call these Hollywood films?

      American Sniper? Maybe. Also premiered at a film festival, and Clint Eastwood is like Warren Beatty was - able to make whatever he wants regardless of Hollywood norms.

      Selma - sure. But we always get one halfway decent Oscar-bait drama each year. Would you call it original?

      It's almost as if all the good films are the ones that avoid the Hollywood system.

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    19. Re:Wow! Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is this going to be followed by and prime rates are now going up to... $$$/yr?

      Prime's already getting pretty marginal for me, as I have noticed amazon fscking around with model numbers(sold by them no less) to avoid matching lower prices from other etailers. Additionally I note them them adding in the shipping cost to their offer cost, i.e. item x(and we'll assume this is one of the few cases where they still have the same model number which we'll talk about later) at newegg and item x at amazon where the amazon price is the newegg price PLUS $15. Now REPORT the lower price at newegg, and let's further assume that it is a free or $0.99 shipping item, amazon apparently will NOT match the price without 2d rate(even though in most cases I get free newegg stuff in 2d anyways given that it usually ships from NY(or is it NJ?) and 3d from their CA location).

      Another case, I purchased a chromebook to monkey with but opted to go with the Acer C720 core i3-4005U variant(i3(best that can be had beyond the overpriced netbook(pixel even less than a netbook since it's even LESS upgradable than most chromebooks) -- dual/crouton(chroot)/linux only goal I ended up with crouton for ease of use and chrome os was nice to have pop open immediately and browse with LONG batt runtime(c. 8.5h)) AND 4GB RAM which unfortunately is soldered on ALL of the CURRENT chromebook models but many still have replaceable ssds including the C720). Newegg listed this 4GB model(for some idiotic reason they're now shipping an anemic 2GB variant, you get the idiot's choice award for buying the non-upgradable 2GB version BTW) as the -3404, while Amazon had the EXACT SAME model listed with a DIFFERENT model #. At the time of my purchase the base price was identical from both and newegg did NOT have a free shipping option for it, so I decided that Amazon is gaming and it's the 3404 and so ordered from Amazon. Received box, and SURPRISE SURPRISE even the box had the 3404 model number. Amazon appears to have since changed their listed model number to reflect reality, but given their poor technical specifications and this new(to me) model gaming BS I for one am becoming less and less enthralled with them, which is VERY bad given how I mentioned how their tech specs are usual useless sh!t, and gaming model numbers(oh BTW Acer did NOT even LIST the model number that Amazon was using but the 3404 that EVERYONE ELSE had listed FFS!) makes it difficult to lookup manufacturer information on parts to verify their fantasyland(dare I say outright lying? misleading? deliberate omission of necessary facts? Amazon 3rd party sellers are the worst for the most part though, but that's to be expected to a degree.) specs. To be fair, though, since newegg has started carrying 3rd party sellers as well as their own direct products AND have started carrying all sorts of random sh!t even their specs, have started to deteriorate, although not to Amazon's new lows yet. (Let's face it amazon was NEVER good @ specs, but instead of improving they have gotten WORSE AND have started GAMING model numbers...)

      Another funny item of note on those Acer C720 i3s is that instead of Acer USA on the notebook label, it IS Acer Italy with their Italian address, but I'm fairly certain this is common no matter where purchased from, but still strikes me as odd. Acer gaming taxes? (Notebooks, as you may have guessed, are assembled in China...)

    20. Re:Wow! Cool! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      It seems like you've got this term, "Hollywood System." Like "True Scotsman," it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

      Well, let's see. Birdman was directing by a famously weird Mexican filmmaker, but it was produced by New Regency pictures, which is Arnon Milchan's company. They also produced Noah and In Time, that's relatively Hollywood enough.

      Grand Budapest was produced by Scott Rudin, of Captain Phillips, Moneyball, and most of Wes Anderson's other films. Rubin produced movies like Ransom and Sister Act 2 back in the day. He's about as Hollywood as you can get.

      Wild stars and is produced by Reese Fucking Witherspoon. A friend of mine was the sound designer on Wild, her previous film was the Fantastic Four reboot. The whole movie was shot on location and finished at Fox. Reese's co-producer was Bruna Papandrea, of Gone Girl (which he worked on with Scott Rudin). Also you have to understand that a project like this is masterminded by the actor's agent, he makes the calls, finds the willing directors and producers, and sets the deal up with a production company. Reese's agent is Bryan Lourd at CAA. And at this point we have reached Peak Hollywood.

      Selma is actually a bit MORE Hollywood than the others, it's produced by Oprah Winfrey and it's director, Ava DuVernay, was actually a well-known Hollywood studio publicist before she got into directing (her credits include Stealth and Shrek the Third). Selma was also produced by Jeremy Kleiner's company, Plan B, and they produced World War Z and Eat Pray Love.

      Whiplash is produced by my present employer, Blumhouse, makers of the Paranormal Activity movies, Sinister, and The Conjuring. All of his horror films are produced under a sale/distribution deal with Universal.

      You do realize that opening at film festivals are programmed, right? That the programmers specifically hold open the choice premiere slots for large, star-laden, American films, mainly to help promote the festival. What exactly makes a film festival "not" Hollywood? Have you ever been to the Toronto Film Market? Or AFM? Or Cannes? Or Sundance? They're more Hollywood than Hollywood.

      How indie these films really were I'm not hipster enough to have any opinion on.

      Gotta be one of the most willful ignorant things I've read on the Slashdot. You just have this totally closed idea about what movies are made by "Hollywood."

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    21. Re:Wow! Cool! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Mistake on my part: Plan B isn't Jeremy Keliner's company, he's just an executive there. Plan B is Brad Pitt's company

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    22. Re:Wow! Cool! by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      They are making some good TV shows. Though I suppose it's more accurate to say that they are hiring good people to make good TV shows for them.

      They started in 2013 with two series for adults, Alpha House and Betas. (Amazon has also made some shows for children that I have not watched.) They were merely OK. (Alpha House did well enough to get renewed for a second season. Betas, which I liked more than Alpha House, sadly did not.) But the two new ones in 2014, Transparent and Mozart In The Jungle, were both amazing. Transparent won two Golden Globe awards. Mozart In The Jungle was released in late December so the timing was wrong for award consideration, but it might have also been in the running had the release date been more friendly.

    23. Re:Wow! Cool! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ahh, you work in the industry. Well, it's all your fault then.

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    24. Re:Wow! Cool! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And you're living in a Just World Fallacy where if streaming and piracy hand the film industry to Netflix and Amazon on a silver platter, we'll all be better off because everyone will get what they deserved. Hollywood sucks a priori, no knowledge or thought required.

      That you believe this isn't too remarkable, a lot of people have unwarranted faith in systems, particularly when that system is the Internet. That you manage to believe this without actually knowing anything about the entertainment industry is the abomination. You're worse than a hipster, you're a philistine. You don't actually know anything about movies, do you even like any "independent" films? If you think most Hollywood movies are crap, you haven't even begun to get into independent film...

      Or are you just pretending to care in order to score points?

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  2. What an amazing future we live in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Blah blah blah on the internet!

    Our grandchildren will envy us for the heady times we live in.

  3. Sell your Amazon stock now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They have run out of ideas and have officially gone insane. The best way to lose tons of money is to get into the entertainment industry. Remember how it worked out for the WB and UPN, and they were already experienced players in the industry.

    1. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WB and UPN, and they were already experienced players in the industry.

      In times of rapid technological change, being an "experienced player" is often an impediment, not a benefit. Just ask Borders and Barnes&Noble.

    2. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by willworkforbeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did anyone notice during the Sony Pictures mess a revealed a gross margin of around 50%? And it seems Amazon has a captivate market plus millions of eyeballs a day to freely impress marketing upon, whereas traditional studios have to pay-per-eyeball to get the word out.

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    3. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      There were already product distribution players in the industry when Amazon came along, am I right?

      They have not run out of ideas, as evidenced by this idea to stream stuff.

      The entertainment industry is not the best way to lose tons of money

      80 Ways to lose money foolishly

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    4. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Everyone with your attitude sold their stock a year ago when the Fire Phone came out.

    5. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Did anyone notice during the Sony Pictures mess a revealed a gross margin of around 50%?

      Where did you see that?

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    6. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Did anyone notice during the Sony Pictures mess a revealed a gross margin of around 50%?

      If this is true, how would it compare with the movie studios' usual "Hollywood Accounting" claims that films don't make back the money invested in them? We all know that this isn't true, but it would be interesting if leaked movie studio documents showed that they knew this was false also.

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    7. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      If this is true, how would it compare with the movie studios' usual "Hollywood Accounting" claims that films don't make back the money invested in them?

      The difference between GAAP profit-and-loss and Hollywood Accounting has to do with contractual terminology. I you ever see a residuals statement you'll see that they never are structured in terms of revenue, profit and costs, they always use terms like "proceeds" and "expenses". A movie can profit on a GAAP basis but still never pay residuals (never "make money"), and on the other hand a movie can be a net loss but still be paying residuals. Wether a movie "makes money" and wether or not the director, actor and writers are getting their "back end" aren't really correlated, they're different things.

      At the end of the day studios have some internal way of tracking wether or not a movie was "successful" but the economic performance of individual films is never tracked in a GAAP standard way, and that probably wouldn't be possible because of how producers and distribution companies share resources between films, how films are packaged... One of the reasons I'm skeptical of this factoid is because it probably comes from the top line of someone's residuals statement, and the fact is that residuals statements don't tell you if movies make money, they just tell you if your contract is paying yet.

      The "Hollywood Accounting" meme is sorta true but it's also more than a little bit of propaganda from a few disgruntled screenwriters and their lawyers.

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    8. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by westlake · · Score: 1

      In times of rapid technological change, being an "experienced player" is often an impediment, not a benefit. Just ask Borders and Barnes&Noble.

      But look at Disney.

      Founded 1923.

      Significant presence and impact in all media from the beginning. Jump-started the modern family oriented theme park and the ABC television network with "Disneyland."

      No less a driving force in color television sales with "The Wonderful World of Color." You can't say anything meaningful about the evolution of cable TV without mentioning HBO, the Disney Channel and ESPN.

      The musical adaptaion of The Lion King had a ten year run in London.

      The geek obsesses over porn, but, my god, think of Disney's impact on the sale of home video hardware and video sales and rentals. You'll know 4K is here to stay when Disney supports it.

      Pixar may be spinning its wheels, but Disney Studio Animation is hitting on all cylinders. The Marvel Comics division isn't doing too badly either.

      There is no single point of failure.

    9. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      The musical adaptaion of The Lion King had a ten year run in London.

      Not just that - you'd be hard pressed to find more than a couple popular musicals on Broadway right now that isn't one of three things: (1) revival; (2) jukebox musical [i.e., one that is a thinly-written story wrapped around a Greatest Hits album]; or (3) big Disney production.

    10. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      Ok, I grabbed one source here:
      https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s...
      And here's the money shot quote:
      "Currently, approximately $1B in production spending can be expected to deliver $500M-$600M in profits,” the letter says. “Through his continued focus on financial discipline, Doug hopes to improve that ratio to a point where $800-$900M in production spending delivers $500-$600M in profits.”

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    11. Re:Sell your Amazon stock now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we all know how well the Fire Phone worked out too. As an Amazon Prime member I do appreciate the shareholders subsidizing my purchasing habits by spending 4 dollars shipping via UPS a 12 dollar item that was sold at a 2% margin. Amazon's business model is that they lose money on every sale, but they make it up by volume. But Amazon's house of cards, pardon the pun is going to go tumbling down along with their stock price sooner or later.

  4. Good luck getting theaters on board by mozumder · · Score: 0

    Theater owners want exclusivity in releases. They don't want to show a movie that can be seen elsewhere in the same local market.

    This is how the businesses work.

    1. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by geekmux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Theater owners want exclusivity in releases. They don't want to show a movie that can be seen elsewhere in the same local market.

      Well, good for them! I'm glad they want to hold on to a dying archaic model of overpriced sodas and popcorn in a big room.

      This is how the businesses work.

      Ah, no. This is how failed businesses work. By not adopting to the times.

      In case the incumbants haven't noticed by now, the millenial generation of moviegoers is perfectly willing to watch a new-release movie on a damn 3" cell phone screen with earbuds. And content providers don't need a theater to make revenue. Sony likely paved the way with the rather forced online release of The Interview.

      And as anti-social as "social" media has made humans in general, I don't see this trend changing. At all

      Bottom line is incumbents better wake the hell up and smell what the single-serve k-cup generation is serving themselves.

    2. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      In case the incumbants haven't noticed by now, the millenial generation of moviegoers is perfectly willing to watch a new-release movie on a damn 3" cell phone screen with earbuds.

      This sounds like market failure to me, particularly when the price differential between buying a new release on your phone and watching it in a theater is only a few bucks, as it is now. Like why would you want to pay $13 for a movie on your cellphone when going to the Arclight matinee is $16?

      I guess it's more convenient but it's a little tragic when people don't have enough free time to leave the house to go to a movie theater, which is just about the lowest-impact social activity the western world has yet devised.

      And content providers don't need a theater to make revenue.

      I've been working in the movie business for 15 years or so, I'm in my thirties so I'm not a millennial but I get the arguments you're laying out. But we still live in a world where if your film can only find Internet distribution, it's a horrible failure that'll never make its budget back. I've worked on films with $300k budgets that were really good, and the on demand/Netflix/iTunes money just comes nowhere close to paying the budget. The promise of Internet distribution as a supplementary good to theatrical distribution is, at present, a fraud. People just aren't willing to pay the same amount for movies in their home as they are at a theater, expensive soda and all.

      The only way it could work is by either crushing the budgets of all films down to a few hundred thousand dollars, or loading the movies with basically wall-to-wall advertising. (But let's not beat around the bush, the breaking of American film industry, and putting it under vassalage to Internet Venture Capitalists is a feature, not a bug, to some people.)

      Streaming can't make a $200 million international opening, particularly on platforms like Prime and Netflix because...

      Bottom line is incumbents better wake the hell up and smell what the single-serve k-cup generation is serving themselves.

      If people were actually buying movies single-serve this wouldn't be half as bad a problem as it is. Right now most of the consumer money spent on streaming is spent at all-you-can-eat business models, like Netflix, where nothing is done to price-differentiate actual movies from the shittiest Asylum crap. Or to even price differentiate the act of watching a movie from not.

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    3. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Like why would you want to pay $13 for a movie on your cellphone when going to the Arclight matinee is $16?

      I guess it's more convenient but it's a little tragic when people don't have enough free time to leave the house to go to a movie theater, which is just about the lowest-impact social activity the western world has yet devised.

      Dude, are you insane?

      For $25 I can buy the Bluray, and watch it in my own home theater in a reclining leather seat, eat my own snacks, drink beer, and pause it if I want to take a leak.

      Not leaving my fscking house is low impact, and it costs me a fraction of movie theaters. I figure they're pretty much doomed as a business model.

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    4. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      The GP said "phone." Besides, your screen at home isn't as good and I guarantee you that unless you have $10,000 in acoustic treatment you don't have a theatrical sound experience -- I'm a sound designer so I'm a little partial to that, I admit.

      You don't see any value in getting out of the house, getting dinner, meeting people, dressing up a little? I'm not being prescriptive, here, I'm not saying you people should pay more for a theater, I'm saying, flatly, that they do, that theaters are still a really competitive distribution platform, and the alternatives work but they don't generate the same revenue.

      Mass market theaters will probably continue their decline but I'm not sure producers and distributors should significantly adjust their business models today. Particularly when the business models for streaming are much less favorable to producers and filmmakers, and much more favorable to middle men like Netflix. Netflix Accounting is a lot harder on writers and actors that Hollywood Accounting.

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    5. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Besides, your screen at home isn't as good and I guarantee you that unless you have $10,000 in acoustic treatment you don't have a theatrical sound experience -- I'm a sound designer so I'm a little partial to that, I admit.

      LOL ... allow me to clarify this for you, in case there is any chance nobody has told you this ... for the vast majority of the people in the world, people who talk about such drivel are complete, unmitigated wankers. Most of us really only hear "good enough", and simply roll our eyes at people like you.

      No, seriously, you might care. The rest of us, not so much. I look at anybody who would spend $10K in acoustic treatment as a fool who needed to part with some money.

      I'm betting the overwhelming majority of people can't tell the difference except "louder". So the warmly yellow sound with bright bass and minty undertones ... sounds like marketing drivel to my middle aged ears with no musical talent to back them up.

      You don't see any value in getting out of the house, getting dinner, meeting people, dressing up a little?

      Are you drunk? Do you know anybody who dresses up to go to the movies and meets people there? What is this, 1964? Let's all put on our Sunday best and go to the cinema and meet up with the Jones and act like we're all upscale and stuff? Really?

      What the hell are you talking about? Do people do this? I've never known a single person to dress up to go a movie.

      but they don't generate the same revenue

      But, we don't give a crap about your revenue. We care about our own pocket books, and our own experience. And, for me, a movie theater has passed the point where it provides any value to me.

      Sticky floors, overpriced food, and some little shit who won't put his phone away.

      At a certain point, I'll trade all of the bullshit "theatrical sound experience" for "sitting in the comfort of my own damned home experience".

      It's now been over two years since I was in a movie theater. And I don't see myself going back.

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    6. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by ustolemyname · · Score: 1

      Besides, your screen at home isn't as good

      Not remotely true. Most digital theater projectors are 2k, which at this point I'm willing to call crap. I watched a movie with some subtitles at the beginning the other day, seeing the white text split into a grid of pixels was very off-putting. Plus it takes effort to find optimal seating.

      As to audio,
        Headphones do it better, if you really care, and
        The total lack of control of other people makes that a pretty moot point.

      I generally agree with you in terms of the market, but trying to argue that most movie theaters are providing a "premium" experience requires a fair bit of romantic idealism coupled with selection bias when you actually go.

    7. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      I'm betting the overwhelming majority of people can't tell the difference except "louder".

      I know, this is the challenge to anyone that would dare strive for excellence, the rest of the world is constantly trying to drag you back to mediocrity. Thus Netflix basically does the equivalent of delivering McDonalds to your house, and it's so convenient and cheap, people start telling themselves that only purists or dorks can tell the difference between McDonalds and Morton's prime rib.

      Are you drunk? Do you know anybody who dresses up to go to the movies and meets people there? What is this, 1964?

      By "dress up," of course I mean, get dressed at all and meeting people, instead of sitting in your living room watching Guardians of the Galaxy in a dirty Homestar Runner t-shirt while swiping through Tinder...

      But, we don't give a crap about your revenue.

      Yeah but the people who make the movies care about the revenue. The GP said that theaters were a dying business model, that's really not true.

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    8. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      As to audio, Headphones do it better, if you really care,

      They really don't. I mean, you might prefer them but they're a substandard experience, even if you're using "surround" headphones that apply HRTFs and phase de-correlation, they just don't render space very well and even really nice ones are fatiguing. They also remove the sound's spatial relationship with the center channel and the screen which is usually important. Most people also have their headphones set too damn loud and are giving themselves cumulative hearing damage.

      The total lack of control of other people makes that a pretty moot point.

      I think if you set up an SPL meter and checked the ambient distractions in your home you'd find them much worse than a theater.

      I agree theaters pretty much have to do reserved seating and need to have proper enforcement against distractions to remain competitive. Some do.

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    9. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dress up.. and meet people...strive for excellence... at the movies?

      Hahaha! What world do you live in? Never mind, I'm glad I am not a part of it, I don't think my arse could handle that much stick up it.

    10. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      This sounds like market failure to me, particularly when the price differential between buying a new release on your phone and watching it in a theater is only a few bucks, as it is now. Like why would you want to pay $13 for a movie on your cellphone when going to the Arclight matinee is $16?

      You're assuming people are buying these movies on their phones. I think what the original poster was instead talking about is people watching Netflix or Amazon Prime video on their phones. Or streaming/downloading from their Tivos (which I do far more often on my iPad, but sometimes on my phone).

      That is, they're not paying the relatively high (yes, I know I said it wasn't really that high in another post) prices compared to a movie ticket or buying the DVD/Bluray.

    11. Re:Good luck getting theaters on board by geekmux · · Score: 1

      > In case the incumbants haven't noticed by now, the millenial generation of moviegoers is perfectly willing to watch a new-release movie on a damn 3" cell phone screen with earbuds

      No, they DON'T watch movies on their cell phones. That's why movies are enjoying record revenue numbers over the last few years.

      Only the nerdiest of nerds watch movies on their phones, and they aren't a market that matters.

      You don't cater your business model around these dorks.

      Let me gently remind you (as Thomas Friedman has) that from a communication standpoint, our world is flatter today than back when we thought it was actually flat.

      There are also more people on this flattened planet than ever before. And that number will likely never decline.

      Taking all of that into consideration, I happily throw almost every historical statistic related to multi-year analysis out the damn window. Every single minute your potential market grows, and can be taken viral within seconds. That would include those "nerds" who pay $10 for a bucket of popcorn as well as those nerds perfectly content to pay Netflix on their cell phones and home TVs

      And given the demand for Netflix, I'd say there's a few billion reasons why you would want to listen to those dorks, or else you may not need to worry about a business model anymore. Or a business for that matter.

  5. I'll take one for max $10 by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    for "buy to own" download and if it sells for $2 a year later just in case I delete it or lose a hd. at $2-5 "to own" I'd probably buy 100's of movies per year, yah eventually I'd have them all but if they're so cheap I wouldn't care if I lost them.

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    1. Re:I'll take one for max $10 by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I really hope there's a way to buy/rent the movies without having to sign up for a monthly service. I really don't like the way things are headed right now. $99 a year for a Amazon, $7.99 a month for Netflix. $7.99 a month for Hulu. And they all have some content you can only get on their service. Give it a few years and a few more providers, and online offerings are going to cost almost the same amount as cable TV currently does. There needs to be some kind of method of renting/buying individual shows/movies from the exclusive content that doesn't cost so much. Currently the rates for buying stuff off iTunes and other online stores is way too inflasted. $5-$6 for a movie rental way too high a price to be asking. It should be much close to $2 for a movie rental, or 25 to 50 cents for a tv show.

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    2. Re:I'll take one for max $10 by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Sure the total of all available services will be high, but you will still have the choice of only subscribing to the ones that you want. If someone only wants Netflix, it's still only 8$ per month.

      Anyway most of these services are only available to the U.S.A. so right now it's not really a problem for the rest of the world. It's Netflix or nothing.

    3. Re:I'll take one for max $10 by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Sure the total of all available services will be high, but you will still have the choice of only subscribing to the ones that you want. If someone only wants Netflix, it's still only 8$ per month.

      Furthermore, there's currently no contracts keeping you on a service. Say you wanted to watch Season 1 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on Netflix. You sign up, watch it in a month, and then decide that nothing else in the inventory matches your tastes. You could cancel your subscription until Season 2 is released. Total cost for watching the one season of the one show could be as low as $8.99.

      Last I checked, Netflix will also let you "pause" your subscription - incurring no monthly fees, but also not giving you access to their library - for awhile. I'm not sure if you could pause for 10-11 months and unpause for 1-2 months, but if you could this might be preferable to signing up/cancelling repeatedly.

      Amazon is a bit different since they ask for $99 a year. This makes "watch one season and then cancel until the next one is released" trickier. Still, you can always cancel your subscription if you don't feel that the library of content merits the cost. It's a lot easier to cancel one component of the online video services you subscribe to in order to reduce what you pay a month than it is to ditch unwatched cable TV channels to reduce your monthly cable TV bill.

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    4. Re:I'll take one for max $10 by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      It is the same as cable if you think of Hulu & Netflix as the *new* networks. The difference is instead of paying your cable provider you're paying the networks directly.

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    5. Re:I'll take one for max $10 by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      >$5-$6 for a movie rental way too high a price to be asking. It should be much close to $2 for a movie rental, or 25 to 50 cents for a tv show.

      I actually agree with you (but actually think it should be even less than that per TV show -- literally nickeling and diming.. for a VERY few shows I'd pay more)..

      But $5-6 isn't really all that much, comparatively. Using the inflation calculator at http://data.bls.gov/ $4 in 1998 is $5.81 in 2014. Originally Netflix (DVDs, of course) was $16/month, for 4 movies/month.. (not unlimited, and it didn't roll over.) I originally used Netflix since they were way cheaper (and more convenient) for DVDs after I got a DVD player.

  6. Movies from the book seller? by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    ...considering the kind of crap they sell on Amazon, it's more like they will release 12 flops a year.

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    1. Re: Movies from the book seller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I think Son of Sharknado could be a hit!

    2. Re:Movies from the book seller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering they have won Golden Globes for original content this time round, I'd imagine the movie studios are not betting against them.

    3. Re:Movies from the book seller? by rhazz · · Score: 3

      It worked for Netflix, it will probably work for Amazon. They are buying the content from actual film studios rather than producing it themselves, so it just comes down whether or not they can buy shows that will be popular. Some of the "Netflix-original" content is pretty good.

    4. Re:Movies from the book seller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about Netflix but Amazon have their own studio. Transparent (which won Golden Globes this year) was produced by Amazon Studios. They really are doing it in-house (and they are hiring some impressive talent to do so).

    5. Re:Movies from the book seller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, "Bojack Horseman" was really good as an example.

    6. Re:Movies from the book seller? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I tried to watch a few movies made by Asylum and they were really just terrible. The new TV series Z Nation seems to be backed by Netflix however, so maybe Asylum only needs a better budget to produce something decent. Z Nation may not be on the same quality level as The Walking Dead or as serious, but it's fun to watch nonetheless. The random references to other movies or TV shows (so far, Sharknado and The Walking Dead) made me laugh.

    7. Re:Movies from the book seller? by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Netflix famously had their corpus of user preferences and tracking data, so they have really good metrics on exactly what they think people would like to see. Amazon does something different, they do pilots and then they solicit public votes and comment.

      I think either have their strengths and weaknesses, Netflix's stuff is generally guaranteed to hit but their biggest product is effectively a reboot of an existing media property.

      Both processes seems sorta artist-hostile.

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  7. u wot m8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quantity over quality, basically pooping out flicks on the reg. It's batshit insane but strangely I think something good night come of it. Some of their shows have been decent and I really liked their run of pilots a year or so back. Meh it's not my money, let's just wait this out

  8. Marketecture Strategery by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think Amazon's doing this to blunt attempts by content providers, whether HBO, ESPN, etc. (or even the production companies themselves) to bypass middlemen like cable companies, Netflix, Amazon, etc. by bringing their own paid streaming content to market.

    1. Re:Marketecture Strategery by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Alternatively you could look at it as vertical integration. The premium cable group is really the only segment trying to 'bypass the middle man' the Studio's etc are doing just about anything they can to protect their old distribution model:

      1) Sell it to the theaters (period of exclusivity)
      2) Sell it to the second run theaters (shorter period of exclusivity)
      3) Home video release
      4) Streaming (new and constantly tinkered with)

      Netflix and Amazon have both discovered the existing content industry merely tolerates them, if anything as way to scape a little more revenue in from folks who otherwise would have just gone the piratebay.{whatever it is this week}. They are not really interesting in offering licensing terms that given the streaming guys much of a "piece of the action" on any valuable properties. So rather than wait around for Studios to 'cut out the middle man' Netflix and Amazon are getting into the content business, makes sense.

      The next logical step is for Amazon (who has more capital than Netflix) to go after the other distribution channels, why leave money on the table. Maybe you can get $20 worth of theater ticket sales once in a while outa somebody that otherwise won't subscribe to prime.

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    2. Re:Marketecture Strategery by schlachter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Streaming will become a commodity as there are multiple reliable/convenient methods to access content. Content will be the differentiator, and Amazon isn't going to want to rely on a third party relationship to provide that.

      Cue the count down until Disney is bought by Apple for similar reasons.

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  9. My opinion by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 2

    As an Amazon Prime member, I have this to say: COOL!!

  10. Missed opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of "Amazon Original Movies" they should have called it "Amazon Original Library". Then they could boast about how many AOL subscribers they had.

  11. My rentaDVD/Blueray stores closed a few months ago by amplesand · · Score: 1

    and Netflix sucks. The stores had literally thousands of movies to choose from, but Netflix? A few dozen mediocre titles... I want my DVD backlog opportunity back, not more productions, from yet another source!!!

  12. Re:My rentaDVD/Blueray stores closed a few months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh come on, Netflix has several hundred mediocre titles available for streaming, give some credit :)

    Also just FYI, Netflix does have a service where they mail you DVDs with a much larger library than streaming, you might not have heard of it it's only been around since 1997

  13. How well have they done with series? by swb · · Score: 2

    Transparent won a couple of Golden Globes, but "Bosch" hasn't started streaming yet and Chris Carter's "The After" mysteriously got cancelled almost a year after it was a winner in the same pilot voting "election" as Bosch.

    I think someone trying to reinvent the "system" of creating filmed content is laudable and worthwhile, I'm just curious if Amazon really has put more thought into this than "vertical integration" and assuming that whatever insight they have into package delivery logistics and cloud computing is somehow universally applicable to something like film/tv production. They wouldn't be the first "geniuses" to take hubris to a new level only to discover that doing A well means nothing when it comes to doing B well. We see plenty of that when A and B aren't all that different.

    I think faster (and more complete) turnaround of announced content would definitely help, I also wonder if it would make sense to rethink some of the streaming assumptions -- like, why straightjacket yourself into the one hour episode format? Why not two hour episodes, but fewer of them? Does the entire series have to available all at once, or could faster release cycles from pilots to episodes be accomplished by releasing a group of episodes every 60-90 days to allow for simultaneous shooting and releases?

      Should they dilute their resources producing a bunch of one-hour pilots, or should they be a little more discriminating and look at a pilot instead as a more complete story arc and make 3 episodes? That way even failures that didn't become series could at least be watchable, self-contained miniseries adding value to the catalog instead of just becoming trivial ephemera? Maybe the desire to make more typical "movies" is part of this.

    1. Re:How well have they done with series? by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      I think faster (and more complete) turnaround of announced content would definitely help, I also wonder if it would make sense to rethink some of the streaming assumptions -- like, why straightjacket yourself into the one hour episode format? Why not two hour episodes, but fewer of them?

      I think the biggest factor is the insistence on releasing entire seasons at once, it's hard to produce a season of TV in under a year. I've worked on a few HBO miniseries and those only went around six episodes, but they were in production for over 6 months.

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    2. Re:How well have they done with series? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the only "thought" Amazon put into it is how much PR they can get out of their "Transparent" win before they release Q4 earnings on Jan. 29th, by making fantastical "announcements" like this..

      My guess is if any of these actually show on a theater screen, it'll be at a theater rented by Amazon for the showing(s), unless Amazon is planning on building their own theaters.

    3. Re:How well have they done with series? by swb · · Score: 1

      Maybe the earnings call will go something like this:

      ANALYST: How much loss do you attribute to the totally failing Fire Phone?

      AMAZON: WOW! We're going to produce a dozen movies! It'll be awesome!

    4. Re:How well have they done with series? by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure anything's a fair comparison with an HBO series, mini or otherwise. HBO programming has a staggering production quality whose peers really are only big-budget Hollywood movies.

      Most TV series (other than HBO) have simpler production values all around, from costumes to sets to location shooting and generally even to cast sizes and extras. This makes them cheaper but I would also guess makes them faster to shoot, since as the AD is fond of yelling, "Time is money people!"

      I suppose Amazon and Netflix are consciously trying to conflate their unique programs with HBO's, but other than what seems like extensive location shooting in House of Cards, most seem fairly conventional in terms of production standards.

    5. Re:How well have they done with series? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's because you are used to watching cheap ass American TV. On the other hand living in the U.K. I expect and get that sort of production quality in all/most drama series produced primarily for the U.K. market.

  14. Movie financing is a weird game. by johncandale · · Score: 1

    Movie financing is a weird game. It is easy to get hosed for a lot of money if you don't hedge your bets. Also you are dealing with a lot of different unions. I know it seems easy, find a good project, fund it. But tripleAAA titles are hard to come by, then you have to secure a director that is free, sign actors with a free schedule. That's the easy parts. Plus the exhibitors have close relations with the distributors who might not want AMC releasing other products. They can and will hold back the number of screens you can show say X-men on if you don't play ball. Costing the exhibitors a lot of their profits. Everyone worth getting has part of the profits in their contracts. Don't forget cost overruns, city funds, agent lawyers. And that is still the easy parts. The movie has to be advertised, and compete with over movies in theaters. Also see Hollywood Accounting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... https://www.techdirt.com/artic... http://www.theatlantic.com/bus... I predict this will end very badly

  15. Technology == PROGRESS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Books overtook sermons and story reading/gatherings...

    Radio overtook book...

    Movies overtook radio..

    TV overtook movies...

    Stupid internet videos (Youtube, Vine, Snapchat) overtook TV

    If Amazon is to be successful, what's the next thing, the thing that takes over youtube (the sooner the better and I hope it's NOT VR)?

    And it's accelerating on every jump....

  16. IF ONLY.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only Amazon could release a set of Serenity/Firefly movies, perhaps done as cartoons, with the original actors providing voicework. Much like we saw with the second film in the Pitch Black / Riddick movie franchisee.

    Could you imagine the profits for Amazon?

  17. "The After" = fake reviews by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

    "The After" was absolutely terrible. I am pretty sure it was a ballot box stuffing / fake user rating bonanza. IT had 15,000 reviews which is 5-10x as many as most classic shows (like X-files, Firefly, Star Trek), and as much as Transparent which won 2 major awards (not my cup of tea but clearly more popular than The After).

    It had 2x the reviews as many popular movies such a Hunger Games 2, World War Z, the new Star Treks, etc etc. The whole thing was like the start of a bad joke. "A clown, lawyer, hooker, cop, escaped con, etc etc walk into a garage and the world ends. What do?"

    Amazon was right to can it. I hop they toss it off the site entirely. /my 2c

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    1. Re:"The After" = fake reviews by swb · · Score: 1

      "The After" was absolutely terrible.

      I keep hearing this said, but that wasn't my impression nor does it seem especially fair after ONE episode.

      The genre it seems to belong to has a pretty low bar for entry -- Fringe was like 5 seasons, and having begun watching it recently I'm already kind of tired of it. It follows such a set formula I feel like *I* could write episodes for it -- new fringey event, nutty professor solves puzzle with application of physics, medicine and biology with a little help from moody Fed Boss and ActionGirl, last 3 minutes of show, ambiguously advance "conspiracy".

      Lather, rinse, repeat.

      Really, The After couldn't have been so much worse than this, Revolution, Falling Skies, etc etc.

    2. Re:"The After" = fake reviews by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      I really liked Fringe but Revolution and Falling Skies were pretty bad, agreed.

      I mean to each his/her own, but I was truly shocked at how bad The After was after watching just the one pilot.

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  18. Re:My rentaDVD/Blueray stores closed a few months by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Try your local library. Obviously, local selection will vary, but my library has a decent selection of movie titles and gets new ones in as they are released. They also have a website where I can request titles from the regional library system so that a DVD will be sent to my local library for me to pick it up. I can also renew online so I don't need to drag it back to the library just to get another couple of days with the DVD before paying late fees.

    And the best feature of all? It's free. Well, effectively free. You pay for it in your taxes but you're going to pay for it whether you use it or not so you might as well use it. Plus, I'd rather my tax money go to local libraries than some other things it goes to.

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  19. Firefly movie by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 1

    All these third party people making movies and nobody has thought about a firefly movie which we all know will make money given how much its short tenure has woeven its way into pop culture.

    1. Re:Firefly movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All these third party people making movies and nobody has thought about a firefly movie which we all know will make money given how much its short tenure has woeven its way into pop culture.

      Ummm...is that a joke? Or do you honestly not know that there is a Firefly movie? If you don't, it's called Serenity.

  20. Re:My rentaDVD/Blueray stores closed a few months by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    What the heck are you talking about?

    Netflix has FAR FAR more DVDs than any local store can have.

    (BTW, I haven't been a subscriber for a while now, but was for well over a decade...)

  21. Underscores Netflix is ahead of curve in streaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix already started doing this with Kevin Spacey / House Of Cards.... at least in the sense of producing significant original material. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

  22. Soo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is how Amazon will finally become profitable!