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Silk Road Journal Found On Ulbricht's Laptop: "Everyone Knows Too Much"

sarahnaomi writes On Wednesday, prosecutors in the Silk Road trial began to lay out the wealth of evidence found on the laptop taken from accused kingpin Ross Ulbricht in a San Francisco library in October 2013. The evidence presented by prosecutor Timothy Howard was the most comprehensive and damning thus far, including more than a thousand pages of chats between the site's pseudonymous operator Dread Pirate Roberts and Silk Road administrators. Also entered into evidence was a journal that dates back to at least 2010 describing the creation and operation of the site. FBI computer scientist Thomas Kiernan, the second witness in the trial, testified about the day Ulbricht was arrested and the evidence gathered from his laptop.

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  1. What an idiot by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So not only could he not secure his black site, he couldn't even secure the files on his own laptop.

    It makes you wonder how he ever got it running in the first place.

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    1. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It makes you wonder how he ever got it running in the first place.

      Perhaps that, in itself, is compelling evidence that he didn't.

    2. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You eventually need to decrypt your own files so you can use them, so the trick is to catch the person when they're actually sitting at their machine using it so that they don't have time to slam the lid on the laptop. If they can do that they can plug in an external drive and copy everything, unencrypted. They got him when he was at the SF public library, agents probably swooped in and manhandled him before he could react.

    3. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, a psychopath is marked by superhuman hubris, i.e. the assumption that everyone is stupid except them. This is often their downfall when it comes to criminal trial, because they are genuinely shocked that other people are smart enough to have figured them out.

    4. Re:What an idiot by grnbrg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apparently he was arrested (in public) at a library, and the techs who got the laptop knew what they were doing...

      It was logged in, and they spend several hours copying data without letting it sleep or lock.

      Full disk encryption is great, but assumes that you won't have unlocked it for the attacker.

    5. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's actually some neat forensic gear out there designed for this kind of situation. It's basically a battery with a fast UPS style switchover mechanism and various bits for tapping into the power line connected to a computer. Basically they wire this thing in, pull the plug, and the battery keeps the machine running and unlocked while they cart it away/image it/etc. They've also got devices called "jigglers" that simulate mouse movement to keep the screen from locking.

      Obviously this turns into a cat and mouse thought experiment with a variety of rube goldberg type countermeasures and counter-countermeasures, but against the average guy this kinda thing probably works quite well.

    6. Re:What an idiot by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      why would you assume he is a psychopath?

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    7. Re:What an idiot by grnbrg · · Score: 1

      Not much use if the create a distraction and grab the laptop before you can do anything...

    8. Re:What an idiot by CaptBubba · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah they had two agents get into a fight right behind him and when he jumped up to see what was going on (just like anyone would do) another agent snatched the laptop and started the task of getting evidence off it and mirroring the drive's contents.

      The FBI is often really fucking good at what they do.

    9. Re:What an idiot by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Full disk encryption is great, but assumes that you won't have unlocked it for the attacker.

      That's why you also encrypt sensitive files separately. You only unlock the file when you're actually using it and then lock it back up when done.

      Just use dd to create some space to use, create a filesystem on the file and then apply your preferred means of encryption. Encrypted USB sticks are another good solution.

    10. Re:What an idiot by sudon't · · Score: 1

      So not only could he not secure his black site, he couldn't even secure the files on his own laptop.
      It makes you wonder how he ever got it running in the first place.

      Well, that's a big part of his defense: "How could someone so stupid be the kingpin and mastermind the government is making him out to be?" I'm starting to believe it myself.

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    11. Re:What an idiot by sudon't · · Score: 1

      That's why you also encrypt sensitive files separately.

      This.

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    12. Re:What an idiot by chispito · · Score: 1

      Yeah they had two agents get into a fight right behind him and when he jumped up to see what was going on (just like anyone would do) another agent snatched the laptop and started the task of getting evidence off it and mirroring the drive's contents.

      The FBI is often really fucking good at what they do.

      Raise your hand if you immediately started thinking about how you would mitigate this. Voice commands? Bluetooth remote in your watch?

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    13. Re:What an idiot by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 2

      How about a dead-man's switch, like the ones worn when you drive a WaveRunner or SnowMobile? It might be a physical lanyard, or a more modern approach could be Bluetooth based. When the BT dongle/wristband/whatever that you are wearing gets more than the range of Bluetooth away from the laptop, it auto-locks.

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    14. Re:What an idiot by KingMotley · · Score: 2

      Sort of like windows-L?

      Too bad he wasn't running windows. Linux is so insecure.

    15. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What I would do is have a process running that monitors input from the microphone on the laptop. If goons come and grab me before I can close it, I shout a specific phrase which would cause the laptop to shut down.

    16. Re:What an idiot by kylemonger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The simplest strategy would have been to have already moved to a non-extradition country. He'd already racked up tens of millions of dollars in profits! What was he waiting for?

    17. Re:What an idiot by Thud457 · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:What an idiot by DrXym · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps that, in itself, is compelling evidence that he didn't.

      "Your honour, the defence submits that the fact that an entire room of people saw the accused stab the victim and state he was glad he did it, proves conclusively that he didn't. There is so much compelling evidence against our client that it is actually evidence of his innocence. And with that the defence rests."

      Doesn't exactly work.

    19. Re:What an idiot by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The most likely diagnosis is the Dunning-Kruger effect. He thought himself smarter than he actually was. Add to that the fact he was running a market in illegal goods (drugs, weapons, hitmen etc.) which tends to make law enforcement throw lots of manpower at finding out who the perpetrator is and the determination to take them down.

    20. Re:What an idiot by Rinikusu · · Score: 4, Informative

      And finally, once the FBI is there, knocking down your door (metaphorically speaking), you're pretty much fucked. The investigation that led them to you is probably more than enough to indict you and probably get the conviction, and refusing to turn over your keys once they already have you pinned down will be viewed as contempt of court and you'll sit in prison for a long damned time without a trial. This is why, from what I can tell, the defense is mainly focused on the procedure/evidence that led the FBI to him (poisoning the well) since if they can't give a good accounting for how they connected him to the SR, then all that evidence is for nothing if they used illegal techniques to get it.

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    21. Re:What an idiot by DrXym · · Score: 2

      Well obviously, but the smart perp would think of that situation. They would use encrypted drives. They would use shadow volumes. They would disable logging, or archive and encrypt them or routinely permanently erase them as a matter of habit. They would use virtual machines that didn't preserve state. They would route their activity through encrypted proxies in as many jurisdictions as humanly possible. They would situate their servers or computers with several locked doors between them and the outside. They'd have power switches within easy reach if the cops bust in. If they were super duper paranoid they'd even have the disks dangling above strong degaussing devices as a last resort. Preferably they'd be as far as way as possible from the United States when they did all this.

    22. Re:What an idiot by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      If that worked, then it would work for every "criminal mastermind" ever prosecuted.

      "You say I hatched this ingenious plan! But if I were that clever, you never would have caught me!"

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    23. Re:What an idiot by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Hidden wirelessly attached storage?

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    24. Re:What an idiot by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      People DO all that, they are just not caught... We're hearing about this guy because he didn't and was caught.

      Or do you think the FBI catches everyone?

    25. Re:What an idiot by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why in the name of royal fuckery would anyone operate such a machine in a public library?

      Thank you for saying what I was thinking...

    26. Re:What an idiot by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A skilled hacker / engineer could create a system for under $40 that would circumvent this.

      Use two microcontrollers (a raspberry pi would be overkill - I'd use a $10 STM32 Nucleo board), one hidden somewhere in your house that has a small coil around a power line which introduces a signal into the power wires, and another in the case of the PC that monitors the signal generated by the first microcontroller. As soon as the device inside the PC detected loss of the signal it could then shut the PC down. Or trip a relay connected to a servo that allows acid to flow into the HDD. It could also have light sensors (covering the largest spectrum possible) to detect the case opening, which would also trigger the destruct mechanism. It would be powered by 4 AA batteries when external power is removed. I would also add a trivial voltage divider circuit to an ADC line on the microcontroller to monitor battery power, and if it got down close to 5V it would destroy the device.

      There are dozens of things you could do along those lines. Place a magnet in whatever the PC is setting on and then have a magnetometer sensor in the buttom of the case connected to the microcontroller. If the PC is moved then it destroys the media. Etc, etc.

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    27. Re:What an idiot by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Ah, the old "I wouldn't be that stupid, would I? So someone must be framing me" defense.

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    28. Re:What an idiot by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Prior to that, the FBI took control of a forum mod's account. They asked "dread" in chat to look into something on the site that required him to log in as an admin. When they grabbed his laptop, a window with him logged into the site admin account was open. That's pretty damning evidence even without the journal.

    29. Re:What an idiot by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I was not sure if something were posted somewhere I missed was all

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    30. Re:What an idiot by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Exactly, there is ton of things that can be done to wipe out the memory and shutdown an encrypted drive even without destructing the data or even without shutting down the system.

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    31. Re:What an idiot by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Not if they keep you on-site while collecting the evidence. The Bluetooth range is pretty long enough to keep you out of reach of the laptop while mirroring the drives.

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    32. Re:What an idiot by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Basic OpSec would insist that you keep the incriminating stuff locked in a separate container that you only open when needed and with a low inactivity timeout to demount it when you forget.

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    33. Re:What an idiot by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Informative

      No.

      Evidence is an attribute that that exists only after criteria are met. I can destroy my hard drive today and be charged with a crime tomorrow. When the authorities realize what I have done, there's nothing they can do. The hard drive only becomes evidence after probable cause has been established and a warrant has been issued and I am made aware that my hard drive is evidence.

      There are exceptions, but not as relates to this matter.

      ... the court can instruct the jury to assume that the evidence that was destroyed showed exactly what the prosecution says it shows ...

      You are an asshat and what pisses me off is that you know damn well that you are making a false statement.

      So fuck you very much.

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    34. Re:What an idiot by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Who is kidding who. When a whole bunch of skilled people are specifically focused on getting evidence of criminal actions you have committed they will get you, if they do not make any mistakes and there is nothing you can do to prevent it. The idea is not to make so many mistakes that a whole bunch of skilled people become specifically focused upon you because by then it is way too late already. Of course once you get neck deep in criminal activity and when greed becomes you sole guiding motivation. The ego driven stupidity that comes with that ensures once they have you scent they will track you down and get the evidence they need to prosecute.

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    35. Re:What an idiot by hoggoth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Feds: "Grab him!"
      Ross: "Beetlejuice!"
      Librarian: "Shhhhhh!"
      Feds "Cover his mouth quick!"
      Ross: Beetlejuice!"
      Feds drag Ross away with his mouth covered...

      Fed1: "What was that about?"
      Fed2: "It was some sort of codeword"
      Fed1: "What do you mean?"
      Fed2: "When he yelled Beetlejuice it activated a..."
      Both: "Oh shit..."

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    36. Re:What an idiot by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Kill two birds, disguise an NFC chip or similar on yourself. Use that to maintain your session, so whenever you and your computer are separated, your session and encrypted files are locked.

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    37. Re:What an idiot by allfieldsrequired · · Score: 1
      Mblockquote> Why in the name of royal fuckery would anyone operate such a machine in a public library?

      Perceived anonymous Internet access

    38. Re:What an idiot by citizenr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      there are rfid rings/bracelets that do this already

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    39. Re:What an idiot by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      I think you're really talking about a narcissism.

    40. Re:What an idiot by JonathanR · · Score: 2

      Knowing that there's an investigation is the key part; Viz. ...or influence the investigation or proper administration... If you pre-emtively design a self-destruct system, you've no knowledge of an investigation.

    41. Re:What an idiot by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      He admits to creating the site originally, but claims he sold it or gave it away before any drugs were sold. So he can't be *that* dumb.

    42. Re:What an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > that Linux guy who murdered his wife and thought nobody could catch him.

      Well, from his perspective she was merely Lost & Found. ;-)

    43. Re:What an idiot by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      ... knowingly ...

      Those support my position.

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    44. Re:What an idiot by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

      According to a referenced article on the link above, he got a lot of help from a Comp Sci friend, in setting up the site - but the guy doing it wasn't fully involved - just giving bits of code and advice. So it's conceivable he knew enough and had enough help to get the site running - but didn't think through all the elements of what he was doing, properly.

      It seems he told his GF, who later broke up with him and told her friends... one of whom posted on his Facebook page: "I’m sure the authorities would be interested in your drug-running site". http://motherboard.vice.com/re...

    45. Re:What an idiot by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Well that's half of facebook fucked.

    46. Re:What an idiot by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      The simplest strategy would have been to have already moved to a non-extradition country. He'd already racked up tens of millions of dollars in profits! What was he waiting for?

      Another good strategy would be to just stop doing it. Taking a big risk when you don't have money is much different from taking it when you do. He had enough to be comfortable for the rest for his life. Why risk that? You've already won whatever game you think you're playing.

    47. Re:What an idiot by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Achievement unlocked: Batman gambit.

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    48. Re:What an idiot by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I mean, I encrypt my journal, in which I write about what movies I saw recently and the progress of people I tutor in math. And this guy doesn't encrypt the record of his illegal activities? What the hell man?!

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    49. Re:What an idiot by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But you still haven't addressed the question of how it makes sense that Chewbacca, a Wookiee from Kashyyyk, lives on Endor. That's grounds for acquittal right there.

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    50. Re:What an idiot by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Lay off the meth, homey.

    51. Re:What an idiot by rochrist · · Score: 1

      This. The FBI has a lot of very skilled people working on cyber crime. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

    52. Re:What an idiot by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I specifically mentioned no organisation as this is a global issue and that globally, yes, investigatory agencies do have very skilled people working for them and I thought I was pretty clear on that. Note, those same agencies just by the application of statistics also get very low skilled people working for them. Some agencies are even stupid enough to use lie detectors, which ensure those most skilled at lying ie psychopaths still get hired and they are far more interested in pursuing their own ego and their ability to abuse power than they are in justice. So the majority of investigations are done well but also some investigations are completely botched up by incompetent people out of their depth or by those pursuing their own ego ahead of justice. Inevitably they seek to twist evidence to make up for the incorrect original guesses to which they become administratively bound as a result of the agencies resources they have expended and this ultimately fails to the shame and dishonour of all those involve, this as exemplified by abusive and corrupt plea bargain arrangements. You are kidding yourself if you think all investigatory officers are equal and in fact, some are so bad not only should they not be on the job, they should also be investigated and prosecuted for the criminal misconduct.

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    53. Re:What an idiot by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. My point is that all of Ulbricht's lawyer's claims and theories are completely destroyed by the evidence the FBI collected.

    54. Re:What an idiot by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      That would be injecting noise on to the power lines, which means either it screws with the rest of the grid, or it's small enough that other devices could swamp it with noise. There's been some interesting work done on hiding signals below the noise floor using frequency hopping, but that's excessively complex.

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  2. Mental note: by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mental note: When establishing a questionably legal site for definitely illegal transactions to be made through, don't keep any logs about it, nor your conversations regarding it.

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    1. Re:Mental note: by slew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mental note: When establishing a questionably legal site for definitely illegal transactions to be made through, don't keep any logs about it, nor your conversations regarding it.

      Observation: if you have a big enough ego to think you can create such a questionable site and get away with it, you have probably can't stop yourself from feeling invincible in whatever you do and dismiss any possibility that your logs will get compromised *ever*. Conversely, if have enough doubt about the eventual security of your logs in the event you might eventually get caught, you probably don't have the balls to go through with it in the first place...

    2. Re:Mental note: by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Mental note: When establishing a questionably legal site for definitely illegal transactions to be made through, don't keep any logs about it, nor your conversations regarding it.

      The first rule of Questionably Legal Site is . . . [fill in the blanks]

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    3. Re:Mental note: by H0p313ss · · Score: 2

      Also "if you have a big enough ego to think you can create such a questionable site and get away with it" you're probably wrong.

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    4. Re:Mental note: by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      i know if i were trying someone, and wanted them to appear as a criminal mastermind, a self penned manifesto/journal would be an incredibly convenient piece of evidence. Perfectly convenient, it could turn a technically challenging case into a total slam dunk.

      Fortune favors the feds in such situations it seems.

    5. Re:Mental note: by CBravo · · Score: 1

      I almost read s/Norton/Snowden/ and then I read after the comma.

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    6. Re:Mental note: by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Mental note: When establishing a questionably legal site for definitely illegal transactions to be made through, don't keep any logs about it, nor your conversations regarding it.

      Problem is, without the logs, no one would believe you!.

      And by that, I mean when you eventually come around to wanting to brag about your achievements - without evidence that you actually did it, no one would believe you, and everyone thinks you're just trying to satisfy some ego thing.

      Yes, that's how a lot of people get caught - they got away with it, but then their bragging gives them away to authorities.

      And yet, it's human nature to want to brag about the achievement. After all, what's the point of doing something "amazing" when you can't brag about it afterwards?

    7. Re:Mental note: by catmistake · · Score: 2

      I think you're missing the point of /.ers coming up with possible solutions. These aren't criminal minds sharing how to do crime. They're compulsive puzzle solvers, and there is no puzzle greater than, no solution more elusive than defeating the well-run FBI investigation. Perhaps they really want to help the FBI be even more effective and irresistable. This pursuit is no different than penetration testing, nor the ability of the logical and clever to come up with solutions for problems in fields which they have absolutely no experience or insight. Let them look for that whistle in their box of cereal, and lets not attempt to disway from nor even verbally punish for hypothetical crime. On second thought, naw, I changed my mind. Stop thinking about that right now!

    8. Re:Mental note: by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      I'm the wrong one to implicate. Your diversion will be a bit too transparent. You may as well hang a neon sign in your front window saying "IT'S ME!"

      At best, someone will show up to my door with doughnuts, and we'll have a good laugh over it.

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    9. Re: Mental note: by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      That's farther down the list. "Don't implicate yourself, even to your friends" :)

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  3. lets not jump to any hasty conclusions. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    I mean, I work in tech support and im sure ive added comments to at least two or three tickets about how "everyone knows too much" Or maybe he was a wikipedia moderator?

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  4. Re:Journal? by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2

    No, the very first lesson of Criminal 101 is always operate under the assumption that you will be caught.

  5. Re:Journal? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't it the first thing they teach you in Criminal 101: Don't keep a journal!

    It just shows what happens when you take drugs: you end up losing interest in your education and dropping out, just before you get to the part of your Criminal 101 class that you really needed. Here's the transcript:

    Dear Diary,

    Criminal 101 class was really, really, boring today. I don't know how much longer I can take it. We learned about a bunch of junk about how not to leave fingerprints and how to wipe a hard drive. Duh - everybody knows that. When are we gonna learn something really useful?... I think I'll just drop out.

    your friend,

    Ross

  6. Re:Encryption, motherfucker, do you speak it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It was obvious he did not understand the encryption.

      On the seller side of the site there was a place to put your pgp public key. That way customers could grab it and encrypt there communication to you. I never understood why he did not configure the site to auto encrypt all messages to you with your public key. That way all the seller/buyer communications, stored on the system, would have been secured. I even submitted it to SR and got no response.

    That was when I decided to move on and stop selling on the site.

  7. Re:Encryption, motherfucker, do you speak it? by grnbrg · · Score: 2

    It was encrypted. And seized while he was logged in and active.

    Initial analysis was done before the laptop was allowed to shut down.

    The feds may be cavalier about laws, but it's a mistake to think they are stupid.

  8. Re:Journal? by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yea, but know all the folks actually majoring in Crime, just copy their answers off the Criminology major in the front of the room who is just taking class as an elective. The Crime students never do the reading...

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  9. Missing the point. by B5_geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While a lot of people are jumping on the "..it wasn't encrypted.." "..FBI grabbed it while he was logged in.."
    You are missing the point.
    Step 1) NEVER carry incriminating evidence with you. Encrypted or not.
    2) use a VPN/SSH Tunnel/etc (and/or both) to connect to the server where your data is. (make sure that server is located in a non-extraditing country, and filtered from you by a few shell companies)
    3) keep an absurdly low 'idle-timeout' on your ssh sessions
    4) use a dead-mans switch on that servers encrypted data
    (i.e. run command "I_am_not_in_jail_yet.sh" every 15minutes.) {be more vague then this*}
    5) ALWAYS assume that your local system is compromised. (boot/run from a read-only media)
    6) don't brag about it! If more then 1 person knows; then your secret is not safe.

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    1. Re:Missing the point. by Celarent+Darii · · Score: 2

      Like in C, the winning sequence starts with a 0:

      Step 0) Don't do any criminal activity.

      That's it, there are no more steps (not even profit!). So much can be avoided by following step 0 first.

    2. Re:Missing the point. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point.

      No. You are. You can't have perfect security.

      With the exception of point 5 and 6, which are simply just good advice (but #5 wouldn't have helped him here; and #6 makes it difficult to provide a criminal service -- after all someone else needs to know about it.)

      All your suggestions have caveats and vulnerabilities. I'm picking on 1 and 4 in particular below, but there are issues with 2, 3, 5 too.

      Step 1) NEVER carry incriminating evidence with you. Encrypted or not.

      Good advice, but how exactly do you accomplish this? Either your data is somewhere with you. Or you have remote access to it, and there will be evidence that you do in fact have remote access to it if they seize your laptop WHILE YOU ARE USING IT to remotely access it.

      Plus if YOU have remote access to it, then so does somebody else; if they can somehow convince the remote system they are you; or if there is some unpatched exploit they know about that you don't. (And you should assume there IS.)

      After all what is it they say about stuff you don't EVER want leaked online? Oh right... DON'T PUT IT ONLINE. That runs directly counter to your advice to "always put it online".

      You can't have it both ways.

      4) use a dead-mans switch on that servers encrypted data

      And then if the internet goes down due to a storm, beaver, or backhoe somewhere; all your records are gone and your now out of business. No idea who you owe what, or what people owe you; or where any of your assets and contacts nor how to reach them...Oh yeah. That's a great plan.

      2) use a VPN/SSH Tunnel/etc (and/or both) to connect to the server where your data is. (make sure that server is located in a non-extraditing country, and filtered from you by a few shell companies)

      If they have enough network surveillance at their disposal in place to unmask tor users, a couple VPNs and shell corporations isn't going to work. It might work to keep boris and igor from being able to find you. But I wouldn't rely on it to keep the FBI at bay if they are genuinely interested in shutting you down; and you live in the states.

    3. Re:Missing the point. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      How many crimes do you commit before breakfast?

      You might be surprised.

      --
      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    4. Re:Missing the point. by reikae · · Score: 1

      Technically correct, but do you not consider some laws unworthy of respect? Outside the area of drug and gun laws for example (AFAIK) anal and oral sex were criminal in many parts of the US as recently as twelve years ago.

    5. Re:Missing the point. by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Funny

      None.

      That's rule number 1 of crimes - never ever commit a crime before breakfast. Without the clear head that comes from getting a healthy start to the day, you'll get caught for sure.

    6. Re:Missing the point. by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      Ok my morning routine:

      1. Wake up.
      2. Murder my neighbour.
      3. Have a shower.
      4. Have breakfast.

      See, nothing illegal there.

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      signature is pants
  10. Having a journal was the smartest thing he did by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Isn't it the first thing they teach you in Criminal 101: Don't keep a journal!

    Possibly, but in Criminal 504 (Profiting in the Long Term) they teach you KEEP a journal so you can write a fully revealing book later.

    He may go to jail for a bit, but he can profit afterward - just hope he had the journal backed up somewhere they could not reach it.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Having a journal was the smartest thing he did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Public records can be pretty expensive to access and copy.

    2. Re:Having a journal was the smartest thing he did by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why would he have to provide evidence to verify the book? Don't lots of people write books that are only nominally non-fiction?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  11. Geeks in particular tend to forget this by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FBI may not be all up to date on the latest technologies and they aren't great at dealing with things purely in the digital world. However they are one of, if not the best investigative organizations in the world. They have a lot of experience investigating crimes of all kinds, often committed by experienced criminal organizations that are quite clever.

    So there's a good chance if they are interested in getting you, they will. They are quite literally professionals at it, and they institutionally learn from their experience. You very well may know a lot more about computers than they do, but they almost certainly know way more about criminal investigations than you do.

    1. Re:Geeks in particular tend to forget this by rochrist · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. Years and years (literally) someone hacked a linux system I had and was using to mess with other systems remotely, including some involved with the government. The FBI sent a woman who was /very/ smart about all things linux. I suspect they eventually caught that guy.

  12. Oh Boy! by PPH · · Score: 1

    I hope they never examine all the stuff I've saved on my PC and posted on line.

    -- Signed,
    Walter Mitty.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  13. Note to self by zeroryoko1974 · · Score: 1

    If I were going to create an underground illegal drug black market, don't keep a journal and detailed notes that can easily be recovered by investigators.

  14. Hackers have one major flaw ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

    ~ Benjamin Franklin

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  15. Re:Journal? by Rashdot · · Score: 2

    Dear Diary,

    Today I learned that I'm not so bricht after all and changed my name accordingly.

    your friend,

    Ross Ul

    --
    This is not the sig you're looking for.
  16. /. has super helpful community by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

    Every time /. has news on someone, who has committed [cyber]crime, the comments read like from ask.slashdot.org article "I would like to set up a criminal enterprise online. Any helpful tips?"

    As per all "ask /." articles, most comments are borderline manslplaining (meaning, author has no experience in the field, has idea what he is talking about, but somehow it makes sense in his head and he is happy to share it). As in all diverse communities, some try to suggest that this is a bad idea and shouldn't be attempted in the first place. Such suggestions are soon thwarted with detailed explanations, why it is [a good idea|ethical|for the common good].

    This sort of entertainment is why I keep reading Shashdot. Keep up the good work.

    1. Re:/. has super helpful community by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      has no idea what he is talking about

      Fixed that for me.

    2. Re:/. has super helpful community by spintriae · · Score: 1

      Did you just mansplain mansplaining to me?

    3. Re:/. has super helpful community by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed I did.

  17. Right and wrong by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Right in that yes, they already have a lot of evidence, and are just working to seal the deal. They like to have everything in a row and an overwhelming amount of evidence before going to trial.

    Wrong about the contempt thing. If you look it up in the US you find out that the courts have decided the 5th amendment applies to passwords. So you can keep your mouth shut and they can't compel you to hand over a password. If it is locked with something physical like a key fob or fingerprint, that you have to hand over. Basically if something is solely in your mind, they can't compel you to hand that over if it can be used against you.

    1. Re:Right and wrong by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Passwords and the Fifth Amendment aren't that simple. The courts have held that it's legal to require a password to reveal something known to be there. The main case was a guy whose laptop showed child pornography as he went through Customs. The Customs agent testified to it, and the courts ruled that he had to hand over the password. In this case, they'd have to know there were specific illegal records on the laptop to use that as a precedent.

      One definite case is that, if the authorities know there's illegal stuff on a laptop, and don't know it's yours or that you know the password, requiring the password would be self-incrimination since it would link the suspect with evidence. In this case, the guy was working on the laptop, and so that wouldn't apply.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  18. Not necessiarly by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    He may well have been as smart as he thought (I'm not saying that is the case for sure, mind) but turns out others were smart enough, and more knowledgeable in the ways that mattered.

    Hans Reiser is a good example. Man is unquestionably very smart. However, he had the geek hubris that I call SMFU, Smartest Motherfucker in the Universe syndrome. He figured he was so much smarter than everyone else, he could easily get away with his crime. Turns out that the police have some smart people too, and those people know a lot more about criminal investigation than he did.

  19. Or just rig up a Cryptonomicon-style doorframe.. by caveat · · Score: 1

    Cantrell is now drawing an elaborate diagram, and has even slowed down, almost to a stop, the better to draw it. It begins with a tall rectangle. Set within that is a parallelogram, the same size, but skewed a little bit downwards, and with a little circle drawn in the middle of one edge. Randy realizes he’s looking at a perspective view of a door-frame with its door hanging slightly ajar, the little circle being its knob. STEEL FRAME, Cantrell writes, hollow metal channels. Quick meandering scribbles suggest the matrix of wall surrounding it, and the floor underneath. Where the uprights of the doorframe are planted in the floor, Cantrell draws small, carefully foreshortened circles. Holes in the floor. Then he encircles the doorframe in a continuous hoop, beginning at one of those circles and climbing up one side of the doorframe, across the top, down the other side, through the other hole in the floor, and then horizontally beneath the door, then up through the first hole again, completing the loop. He draws one or two careful iterations of this and then numerous sloppy ones until the whole thing is surrounded in a vague, elongated tornado. Many turns of fine wire. Finally he draws two leads away from this huge door-sized coil and connects them to a sandwich of alternating long and short horizontal lines, which Randy recognizes as the symbol for a battery. The diagram is completed with a huge arrow drawn vigorously through the center of the doorway, like an airborne battering ram, labeled B which means a magnetic field. Ordo computer room door.

    "Wow," Randy says. Cantrell has drawn a classic elementary-school electromagnet, the kind of thing young Randy made by winding a wire around a nail and hooking it up to a lantern battery. Except that this one is wound around the outside of a doorframe and, Randy guesses, hidden inside the walls and beneath the floor so that no one would know it was there unless they tore the building apart. Magnetic fields are the styli of the modern world, they are what writes bits onto disks, or wipes them away. The read/write heads of Tombstone’s hard drive are exactly the same thing, but a lot smaller. If they are fine-pointed draftsman’s pens, then what Cantrell’s drawn here is a firehose spraying India ink. It probably would have no effect on a disk drive that was a few meters away from it, but anything that was actually carried through that doorway would be wiped clean. Between the pulse-gun fired into the building from outside (destroying every chip within range) and this doorframe hack (losing every bit on every disk) the Ordo raid must have been purely a scrap-hauling run for whoever organized it—Andrew Loeb or (according to the Secret Admirers) Attorney General Comstock’s sinister Fed forces who were using Andy as a cat’s paw. The only thing that would have made it through that doorway intact would have been information stored on CD-ROM or other nonmagnetic media, and Tombstone had none of that.

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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
  20. Re:lol!!!! FBI really grapsing straws now by rochrist · · Score: 1

    What are you? 10?

  21. Not evidence - outline by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The point of having the journal would not be for evidence the resulting book was real, it would be simply to have vast amount of source material to create a book from more quickly, so you could have a book ready sooner after trial.

    He could presumably re-create most of the information from memory, but memory is fickle and it would take a lot more time to get it out.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  22. Re:Journal? by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    Yea, but know all the folks actually majoring in Crime, just copy their answers off the Criminology major in the front of the room who is just taking class as an elective. The Crime students never do the reading...

    Which is why they're the ones who get caught! ;)