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Doomsday Clock Moved Two Minutes Forward, To 23:57

An anonymous reader writes As reported by CNN and Time, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists has moved their famed Doomsday Clock two minutes closer to midnight. Now at 23:57, this clock attempts to personify humanity's closeness to a global catastrophe (as caused by either climate change or nuclear war). According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, this change is due to a lack of action regarding climate issues, the continued existence of nuclear weapon stockpiles, and the increased animosity that now exists between the United States and Russia.

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  1. IMO by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    its horseshit scare tactics that dont work anymore over nonsense bullshit that has no leg to stand on

    so who cares, move it to 1 am, doesnt mean a damn thing

    1. Re:IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so who cares, move it to 1 am, doesnt mean a damn thing

      Ah, the stone age. Fun times.

    2. Re:IMO by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nuke the doomsday clock!

    3. Re:IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The 'bulletin' is a perfect example of what happens when social justice warriors are allowed to take over.

    4. Re:IMO by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      We are already 20 minutes into the future of that clock.

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    5. Re:IMO by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the days when the Doomsday Clock was published by actual atomic scientists, it measured their perception of how imminent the Cold War danger was. The end of Communism cut the Doomsday Clockers adrift, much as Salk vaccine did to the March of Dimes.

      So are the SJWs who found this thing in the attic and dusted it off advancing the clock because of carbon, or because of Islam? Let me guess...

    6. Re:IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its horseshit scare tactics that dont work anymore over nonsense bullshit that has no leg to stand on

      so who cares, move it to 1 am, doesnt mean a damn thing

      Uh, I could be spitballing here, but maybe, just maybe, the original designers of the clock felt that humanity should fucking care.

      Or perhaps it was created to point out that they should. It's not called the Bake-A-Cake clock.

      And don't get me started on horseshit scare tactics. Politics have caused more panic and damage with global warming than 10,000 clocks ever could.

    7. Re:IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      much as Salk vaccine did to the March of Dimes.

      Salk schmalk. The March of Dimes was cut adrift by inflation.

    8. Re:IMO by rossdee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "so who cares, move it to 1 am, doesnt mean a damn thing"

      They'll do that in March anyway.

    9. Re:IMO by fuzznutz · · Score: 2

      its horseshit scare tactics that dont work anymore over nonsense bullshit that has no leg to stand on

      so who cares, move it to 1 am, doesnt mean a damn thing

      I had no idea the doomsday clock was still a thing. The last I heard about it was way before the Berlin Wall fell. This is clearly a PR stunt to try to remain relevant in a world that no longer worries about Soviet ICBMs raining down.

    10. Re:IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So are the SJWs who found this thing in the attic and dusted it off advancing the clock because of carbon, or because of Islam?

      Really? Can't even read TFS?

      1. Continued existance of nuclear weapon stockpiles. There is enough nukes to destroy every single major city in the world. If a nuclear war ever starts between Russia and US, there is enough nukes on either side to destroy every single city (minor cities of 10,000 people included), including those of all allies. And I do not mean like Hiroshima - that's toy proof-of-concept nuke. Today, you'll get 40 nukes on a city like New York - nothing survives. Even rats in the sewers get cooked.

      A nuclear war was almost started on numerous occasions already, and that's by accident - I'm not even counting Cuban Missile Crises. There was an incident that wired a missile that allowed one person to launch it, from a car battery.... another because of "sun glare" ... another from no launch codes at all ... another from geese .... another from malfunction .... How many more times do we dodge annihilation because some idiots want to play tough? Roll the dice enough times, and you'll get snake eyes.

      2. WTF has Islam have to do with anything????? Seriously, WTF? Just because "fear of radicals" is used to create a totalitarian police states, that has nothing to do with doomsday.

      3. As to global warming, just because you are too stupid to understand timescales longer than a decade does not mean everyone else is as stupid. What do you think will happen when sea level rises by 1m? or 2m? Put a dike around Florida? Or do we pump water out of Bangladesh to allow 300,000,000 people to continue living where they are?

      Global Warming will cause major upheavals in human world. Some people just think a little more ahead than your next birthday... 200 years? yeah, for you that may be never, but that sea level rise during next 200 years is already fixed in stone.

    11. Re:IMO by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Climate Change Deniers have taken to calling themselves Skeptics precisely because of this negative connotation to our cause, just as AGW proponents changed to talk of Climate Change when they saw that Global Warming was no longer winning over the masses with their fear-mongering.

      Yep, it is hilarious considering that those deniers are part of the religious right (often stating their reason for denying climate change is something about god). To them, skeptics have the negative connotation. I guess they can't ask for people to believe their claims "on faith" anymore.

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    12. Re:IMO by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Salk was done in by too much vitamin c.

    13. Re:IMO by Bartles · · Score: 2

      They problem is they have advanced it so far that it has become meaningless. Like always having an orange national security threat level.

    14. Re:IMO by fltsimbuff · · Score: 1

      1. That's neither here nor there. We could decrease "stockpiles" by 1,000% and still have enough to bring about "doomsday." ALL nukes will go away AFTER doomsday, no earlier. ANY use of nukes can bring about doomsday. Even if we each only have 1, their use would bring about WWIII and no doubt more would be rebuilt and used as soon as they could in a large scale conflict like that.

      The important part of the equation is how close people are to actually using nukes. That is the useful thing to track. People are constantly saying how the nuclear standoff is so dangerous, but don't seem to think about all the wars it has prevented from ever starting due to the mutual deterrence. A little education on strategy and past warfare goes a long way to helping to understand how important this has been. It would be nice if we could uninvent them, but what's done is done.

      3. All very true, but has nothing to do with a doomsday clock. The doomsday clock carries with it an implicit "imminence" (hello! clock? minutes to midnight???) to the issues it is measuring. Climate change doesn't fit that at all. Furthermore, the constant hyperbole and "the sky is falling" coming from people who are fighting for climate change awareness is sounding ridiculous to reasonable people.

      Instead of educating people on how CO2 affects the atmosphere, and how this could turn our planet uninhabitable over time if we don't curb our emissions quickly, people falsify reports to make up effects and data that supports their arguments, and talk like the world could end tomorrow. These things get disproven and seem absurd and they get called on the lies, and then perfectly reasonable people turn their noses at ALL the climate change evidence. It has gotten to the point where they want to change "skeptic" to "denier" so they have license to point and laugh at how stupid all the "deniers" are, when the deniers are being created by the very people that insist they are crazy.

      STOP the hyperbole and the outright lying about climate change, and maybe people will start believing the truth, and we can all "row in the same direction" on solutions.

    15. Re:IMO by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Theres also the problem that if you were to predict that there was a 99% chance that the world blows up today, MAYBE someone will believe you. Predict that for the next 20 years, and youre sort of nuts if you think anyone will take you seriously.

    16. Re:IMO by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Climate Change Deniers have taken to calling themselves Skeptics precisely because of this negative connotation to our cause, just as AGW proponents changed to talk of Climate Change when they saw that Global Warming was no longer winning over the masses with their fear-mongering.

      Yep, it is hilarious considering that those deniers are part of the religious right (often stating their reason for denying climate change is something about god). To them, skeptics have the negative connotation. I guess they can't ask for people to believe their claims "on faith" anymore.

      Wrong on both counts.

      First, your revisionist history does not match recorded history. Most of the people you call deniers have ALWAYS labeled themselves skeptics. There are some just plain disbelievers, who disbelieve based on faith. But the majority of them follow the actual science.

      Second, most of these skeptics are NOT right-wing religious fanatics.

      Both of these myths have been promoted by the True Believers: the alarmists who can't back up their claims with real science.

      The recent declaration of 2014 as "the hottest year" -- when it wasn't anything of the kind -- is a wonderful illustration of the idiocy behind CO2 warming alarmism. Self-described Climate Scientists claimed the satellite temperature record would be the most accurate ever. And it is. But now that the satellite data is disproving their pet theory, they just leave that data out.

      It's really quite hilarious.

    17. Re:IMO by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      It is a bit telling when they consider themselves "skeptics" of climate change only, and take a bunch of other stuff on faith.

      Well I suppose that doesn't include the people that claim to be skeptics of science itself. I don't know what confusion of ideas leads to that conclusion.

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    18. Re:IMO by Meski · · Score: 1

      Well played. DST for the Doomsday Clock.

    19. Re:IMO by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Your an idiot

      No, "you are" an idiot.

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  2. More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes....let's compare the aeons long climate changes to the threat of instant extinction due to global nuclear war. Do these global warming alarmists think that some "Day After Tomorrow" type even is going to wipe out the planet? That people not driving a hybrid car is the same as detonating a nuke in a major urban area?

    Global warming is a hoax. A wealth redistribution program. That's it. Al Gore and the rest of the billionaire elite can keep the peons down all they want. But the scam is getting more and more ridiculous. The claims more and more outrageous. What's next? Amber Alerts over gasoline guzzlers? EPA patrols at night to enforce a driving curfew or carpools?

    Want to stop 'man made' global warming? Kill yourself. End overpopulation. Starting with the UN and every politician.

    1. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by aaron4801 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously this group is advocating a simple solution: Set off a couple nukes. Not only would that reduce the world's stockpile, it would also start a mini nuclear-winter, which offsets global warming! It's clearly the solution to both problems these guys worry about.

    2. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Global warming is a hoax.

      Try to separate reality from politics. Al Gore and the rest of the billionaire elite may well be using Global warming as an excuse to keep us peons down yet such actions are independent of and speak nothing about whether global warming itself is occurring nor does it shed any light on what potential consequences if any may be. These are things that require careful research and consideration to arrive at an understanding that isn't completely worthless.

      It is possible to concurrently agree with a climate prediction while strongly disagreeing about what should be done about it.

      A wealth redistribution program

      Gasoline is a wealth redistribution program if ever there was one with hard earned dollars going to fund cartoon empires with medieval sensibilities all around the globe.

      The claims more and more outrageous. What's next? Amber Alerts over gasoline guzzlers? EPA patrols at night to enforce a driving curfew or carpools?

      Doubtful "elite" have appetites for things which also negatively affect them. Taxing shit they dislike to death so peons can't afford is more their style.

      Want to stop 'man made' global warming? Kill yourself. End overpopulation. Starting with the UN and every politician.

      As an agent of the Aschen confederation you should demonstrate more patience.

    3. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A wealth redistribution program

      Gasoline is a wealth redistribution program if ever there was one with hard earned dollars going to fund cartoon empires with medieval sensibilities all around the globe.

      Yeah. But with gasoline. You get...gasoline. Something for something.

      With "carbon credits" you get...what? Some guy going "Good for you dude! And thanks for the cash!". Something for nothing.

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    4. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Why the bickering about whether it's man made or natural? I honestly don't want to resolve the question on whether someone set my house on fire or whether lightning hit it while it's still burning, first I want it extinguished, then we can find out what caused it!

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    5. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by khallow · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah. But with gasoline. You get...gasoline.

      To the AC who missed this most important half of the gasoline "wealth redistribution program", you fail economics. To the moderator who modded Chas's post as "troll", get off my internet. This is a basic observation about the oil trade that everyone should acknowledge from the start.

    6. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You just did.

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    7. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Kichigai+Mentat · · Score: 1

      You can't stop the lightning.

      No, but you can prevent its effects by using a lightning rod.

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    8. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a way. But my lawyer said it's still illegal. And it's still likely that someone would keep me from doing it forcefully.

      I'll just wait 'til at least the latter doesn't apply anymore.

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    9. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      A small thing? A lightning rod costs 50$ tops. Requires almost no maintenance, and is not subsidized or mandated. Can you say any of those thing about green technologies?

    10. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Amongh many other things, with carbon credits you get less CO2 pumped into the atmosphere, giving humanity more time to come up with a solution, and a method of partially funding it at the same time. It would help you to know what you're complaining about before doing so, in order to differentiate you from some ignorant talk radio listener railing against whatever his chosen broadcaster hates this week. I know it's tempting to post pithy one-liners in order to try to make a point, but when the one liners merely illustrate your lack of understanding, it's not particularly beneficial to the discussion, or to you, to do so.

    11. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      He was talking relatively. Clearly people are not equating a single 50$ lightning rod with the shifting of the entire global industry to green technologies. Only an idiot would think that - oh, it's Bartles. My apologies ;)

    12. Re:More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Chas · · Score: 1

      Amongh many other things, with carbon credits you get less CO2 pumped into the atmosphere

      Really? HOW?

      What evidence do you have that the company selling you the "carbon credit" is actually DOING anything.

      Basically what you're doing is the same thing you're doing when you drop something in the offertory at Mass.

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    13. Re: More Global Warming Alarmism!!!!!!!! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No, asshole, he was calling shifting of the entire global industry to green technologies a small thing. Like lightning rods. Clearly, it's not a small thing.

  3. Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, when something says that we are so close to destruction for over half a century... well you have to wonder why anyone would put any stock in it. It is a bit hard to reconcile with being on the edge of destruction, and yet everything continuing to not be destroyed.

    1. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apparently we're closer (23:57) to an apocalypse than in any time during 1960 - 1984. This includes the Cuban missile crisis.

    2. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by Imrik · · Score: 2

      Nukes are generally almost completely unhackable as they use technology designed during the cold war, no networks, no commercial interfaces. They're probably far more vulnerable to social hacks than technological ones.

    3. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by ultranova · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know, when something says that we are so close to destruction for over half a century... well you have to wonder why anyone would put any stock in it. It is a bit hard to reconcile with being on the edge of destruction, and yet everything continuing to not be destroyed.

      Did you know the most dangerous drivers are not those who have just gotten their license, but those who have had a bit of experience? The reason is that new drivers are all too aware that they're one bad decision away from being gruesomely killed, while those who have driven for a while let their guard down because "nothing's happened so far, so nothing ever will".

      This is true for dangerous acitvities in general. Someone who's handling boiling acid for the first time will make damn sure to think what they're doing. Someone who's done it a hundred times is busy thinking what they'll be having for lunch. And then acid gets somewhere it shouldn't, and suddenly things get very exciting again.

      We haven't been destroyed because we've been very lucky. During Cuban missile crisis American ships actually dropped depth charges on a nuke-carrying Russian submarine. The captain and the political officer were all for launching it in retaliation, but the idea was vetoed by Vasili Arkhipov. And it's not the only time humanity's fate has hung on the decisions of a single person.

      And of course this is all ignoring the possibilities of, say, biological warfare advancing technology is bringing to within reach of even non-state actors. You may not have noticed, but some of these actors are nowhere near as rational nor benevolent as the Soviet Russia of old.

      Finally, the dawning of the Information Age is challenging whole new facets of human capacity for evil. Hypocrisy is quickly becoming impossible as privacy continues to erode. At the same time, anonymity serves to strip away pretensions of civility and expose the grinning skull beneath all too many faces. With Industrial Age, the choice was "cease warring or die"; with Information Age it's "stop being hypocrites or have your souls crushed". Given that it took two world wars to get humanity to the point where we had any chance to survive harnessing the power of the atom, I shudder to think what it'll take to prepare us for omnipresent computation.

      We're running a gauntlet, a purgatory forcing us to choose between our shadow or increasing amounts of pain. Every aspect of our existence is being confronted by its shortcomings like never before, for there are no more second chances. Humanity will either demonstrate it has mastered its dark side before it will master nature and reach the stars, or it will send itself to oblivion so more worthy beings might inherit them instead. It's not two minutes to midnight, it's Judgement Day.

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    4. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So Crimson Tide rather than Scorpion?

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    5. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Well, I've been listening to the BBC's history of the first world war, particularly how it started in the first place. What was just some useless (and lucky!) Serbian terrorist turned into a European catastrophe remarkably quickly through a chain of events based on one country not liking another country and manoeuvring the situation to give them an excuse for local 'peach keeping' annexation.

      At the same time I was listening to how Russia was entering the Ukraine "to keep the peace", even though they were not sending any troops over there, and Europe and America were getting unhappy with them, giving them an excuse to impose financial sanctions. Trivial politicking just like our World Children like to play, except this is just the same as happened back in 1914.

      I think it'll all be fine, but Russia won't back down but might just enhance its action in a fit of pique, and you never know where it might end, despite no-one wanting war. Just like in 1914.

    6. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      one country not liking another country and manoeuvring the situation to give them an excuse for local 'peach keeping' annexation.

      Peach keeping?? If that was all they wanted, we could have shipped them Georgia's (the State, not the country) entire supply rather than have to deal with a world war....

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    7. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Did you know the most dangerous drivers are not those who have just gotten their license, but those who have had a bit of experience?

      Have you ever insured a car? It's a while back, but I'm pretty sure my premiums went down in the first few years, not up.

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    8. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      And, amazingly enough, we are safer because of it.

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    9. Re:Oh yay, more about the bullshit clock by jdschulteis · · Score: 1

      When things are good, does the clock ever move back?

      Yes.

  4. Fear by Koby77 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Be afraid. Very afraid.

    1. Re:Fear by CurryCamel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or alternatively - go do something already!
      Looking at all the smart(ass) comments on slashdot gives me hope that 'living in harmony and peace' is not beyond our intelligence capabilities as the human race (how hard can it be?!?). Somebody just needs to kick the cynics' collective butt.
      Fair try with the clock. 7/10.

    2. Re:Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I run a refrigerator 24/7 with the door open. If everyone did the same, we would significantly cool the planet.

    3. Re:Fear by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I run the AC backwards to cool the outside in the winter. Does that help as much?

  5. ^^Winner by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The risk of nuclear war was very real during the Cold war. Today, those countries are trading partners and run in a far more responsive manner, Russia is a democracy.

    The idea of the Doomsday clock being closer than the cold war is silly.

    Take the clock, put it in the trash. Disband the committee. Perhaps the symbol helped awareness during the Cold war but this is just a joke now.

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    1. Re:^^Winner by quenda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Russia is a democracy.

      Ha, good one Trollston! You had me there for a minute.

    2. Re:^^Winner by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... well, when you ignore the definition of democracy and use the good ol' school metric of "grading by average"... They might even get away with a C-

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    3. Re:^^Winner by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which one isn't? Even though I'd debate the intelligence of some agencies, but the first part?

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    4. Re:^^Winner by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      The idea of the Doomsday clock being closer than the cold war is silly.

      Considering that the doomsday didn't eventuate during the cold war then it is not necessarily wrong to say that it was closer then than now. The main difference between the danger being face now and then was that back then you didn't have a huge segment of the population disbelieving the experts who said that the world was in danger. Nobody was so stupid enough to say that just because people died before the atom bomb was invented that it means that bomb couldn't be responsible for killing anyone now (to adopt one of the anti-AGW lines).

      We are actually closer to danger now because politically we are further from a solution than we were back then. At least both sides recognised that they had to consider the ramifications of their actions and that something had to be done. Fast forward to today, and the two sides now want different things; one wants to change things while the other wants to keep the status quo. That is far more dangerous than what we had in the past.

      The other crucial difference is that for the danger of doomsday to exist back then, someone would have to make the decision to "push the button". Someone would have to decide to be actively responsible for armageddon. The danger we face now is opposite. If we don't take action this time then the predicted doomsday will happen by itself. Nobody has to press any button to make bad things happen. We are closer to doomsday because the button was already pressed years ago when we started down the path of rapid expansion of our use of fossil fuels.

      The fact is that the doomsday clock actually worked during the cold war. It kept the issue in the minds of the people, so that the political will was there to solve the problem. The clock wasn't accurate nor inaccurate. It was a symbol.

      In the same way, the changing of the clock isn't striving for accuracy in as much as it is raising the notion that we are facing a crisis in the public perception. And it is needed now more than ever.

    5. Re:^^Winner by quenda · · Score: 1

      They might even get away with a C-

      For what? Voting in a dictator counts as a democracy, does it? The Russians dabbled in democracy, and then rejected it.
      In the context of an English-language forum, modern democracy means a multi-party parliamentary system with rule of law, as invented by the British. Without an effective opposition, the parliament becomes a rubber stamp for the executive, and politicians stop caring about votes. In some countries this can work better than a multi-party system, but it functions very differently from a democracy in the Western sense.

    6. Re:^^Winner by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, democracy in the Western sense, where you only have two parties and they are both stooges to the corporations and have no real power. Democracy does not exist.

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    7. Re:^^Winner by quenda · · Score: 1

      Yeah, democracy in the Western sense, where you only have two parties

      No, thats just the US, and other countries with first-past the-post voting system.

      they are both stooges to the corporations and have no real power.

      Talking about the US again? Though that is only a relatively recent development.

    8. Re:^^Winner by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So tell us, when did the US have a system that effectively allows more than 2 parties to exist? Aside of the few transition periods where parties died out and new ones emerged, there has never been a 3+ party system.

      The last time a candidate in a presidental election won a state was 1968. The last time a non DemRep came in second was Roosevelt in 1916, though one may dispute whether that "counts" considering that he WAS prez before. But we might as well count it since there has not been a single other occasion since the civil war (which was the ONLY time when there was actually a "free for all" game). But that price is a tad bit high if you ask me just to break up the two party dictatorship.

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    9. Re:^^Winner by quenda · · Score: 1

      I don't know a lot about the US. But of course it has always been ruled by the elite - the founding fathers were from the 1%, and the "revolution" was just a change of management that did nothing to benefit the common man. But while fearful of mob rule, they felt a greater duty to the commoners than today's politicians seem to. (or at least the white commoners)

        The recent development I think is the power of the corporations, rather than just wealthy individuals. The corporations seem to have less collective conscience.

  6. Re:nobody fucking cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you want my come back, then scrape it off your mothers teeth.

  7. you can't boil this down to one variable by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    maybe when it was just the US vs USSR this might have been almost workable but at this point you really need a different clock for every nuclear power.

    And short of that, this stupid clock is meaningless.

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    1. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And speaking of nuclear had not the same bunch of partisan hacks not gotten the only unlimited form of carbon free power generation stopped in the 1970s because of their very unscientific emotions about it, they would not be talking about carbon at all. But no, statistically showing how nuclear power has killed less people in America than Ted Kennedy's car does not fase political zealots a bit.
       
        OH look, the non-scientists have come up with a clock showing how long you have to live. Lets send them money! Instead of a doomsday clock the AGW true believers should have a device showing all the beach houses owned by their private jet flying donors. When you see the true believers flee the coastline cause, you know, they said it would all be under sea water by now, then you know they actually believe the pap they spew. Until then just look at them and laugh. If they don't understand then offer them $1 for their supposedly pre-gone beach house. They won't move from their beach house because they don't believe what they say they do.

    2. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I agree the anti nuclear lobby is composed almost entirely of idiots on a level with Jenny McCarthy's vaccine conspiracies.

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    3. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I also suspect that the part of the antinuclear movement which is not composed of idiots is composed of oil companies.

    4. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Why? There's a hundred ways I could die in the next year, but there's no problem aggregating it so I don't see why the clock can't represent total risk. Besides, it's probably going to cascade anyway. If Russia pulls the trigger in Eastern Europe then NATO will get involved, China probably don't want NATO forces on their borders and at least somewhat back Russia and might decide the time is right to take back Taiwan and those Japanese islands and it all goes down hill from there. IS has openly stated their goal is to wage war on everyone until it's one caliphate. If shit hits the fan in the Middle East you know the US will back Israel which will drag NATO into it and the oil would bring everyone else. Same with North Korea, it could easily become a proxy war between China and the US that turns into a true war. I'm not exactly sure how an India-Pakistan war would escalate but an all-out war there already has 1.5 billion people involved. And that's just where it sparks, if you could guess that the rise of Hitler would lead to the attack on Pearl Harbor your crystal ball is good.

      Remember, the world is a lot more connected than it used to be, with floods in Thailand the price of hard drives worldwide doubled. No matter where war breaks out it's going to have a lot of impact on US companies and US markets and there will be a lot more incentive to protect US economic interests around the globe than there used to be in the 1940s. Even when it's not cold war power plays it's going to be a lot harder to dismiss as not our problem.

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    5. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by khallow · · Score: 1

      And that's just where it sparks, if you could guess that the rise of Hitler would lead to the attack on Pearl Harbor your crystal ball is good.

      The two weren't correlated so your crystal ball would be broken.

    6. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      And if you're going to look at the vacuous idiots, at least McCarthy is easy on the eyes!

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    7. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      More likely coal companies. Coal is the real competitor to nuclear.

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    8. Re:you can't boil this down to one variable by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      You can't distill complex information down to a single variable. If you could, then you could see everything important in front of you with ONE pixel.

      You can't do that. Accept that it is complicated and deal with the complexity. Do not pretend you have magical powers that allow you to boil down very very complex datasets into a single variable.

      That is a big issue with the whole AGW debate. One temperature for the whole planet is unreasonable. You need to break the data out and show the regional surface data, show the sat data, show the ocean data... etc. And then looking at everything you can make an assessment. But boiling it all down to one variable is nonsense.

      Same thing happened in the economic crash of 2008. The stupid finance companies boiled financial risk down to ONE number.

      How did that work out?

      You cannot do it. Smarter men then either of us have thought they could have they've failed every time. Don't.

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  8. I got a better clock by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's always set to 4:20.

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  9. Re:Wow you sure showed me! by Imrik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Genes aren't the only things that are hereditary. Many behaviors are learned from the environment rather than being innate to a person's biology.

  10. Balderdash by jabberw0k · · Score: 5, Funny

    That man in the White House has won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    1. Re:Balderdash by Isaac-1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Make that was given, regardless of if you are an Obama supporter or not, you must admit many of the resasons he was given the prize so early in his presidency were not based on actions, but based on campaign promises that never came to passs.

    2. Re:Balderdash by Livius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obama got it for not being Bush, which at the time was a major step forward for world peace.

    3. Re:Balderdash by aliquis · · Score: 1

      "He may not have been perfect but he was the best candidate we had!"

      Anyway, considering the current events one would believe Abdullah Al-Saud could had been up for discussion and if him why not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

      It's a weird world.

      May I suggest the prices simply stay in Norway? =P

      Or be given post-mortem to everyone who have been sacrificed for their will to think and wish to live free and who dared tell or show it.

      Can any solution for bringing the region forward more than just a peace-deal happen without also accepting that part of their Islamic ideology should be ditched?

    4. Re:Balderdash by SirKron · · Score: 1

      ... and was at war through his entire administration.

    5. Re:Balderdash by phayes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has world peace made a major step forward in the years Obama has been President? No. In fact by abandoning Iraq before they were ready Obama fostered the Islamic State which we will be spending the next few presidencies working on.

      Obama was indeed handed the NPP for not being Bush but that says more about the NPP's political leanings and how irrelevant the NPP is than anything else.

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    6. Re:Balderdash by skam240 · · Score: 1

      It's more like us invading Iraq fostered the Islamic State. Sadam's army would have crushed the IS had they tried invading Iraq with him in power rather than running away as today's Iraqi army did. Not only that but we lost a great counter weight to Iran by taking Sadam out and set off wide spread inter-ethnic / inter-faith violence in the region which has only helped the IS advance.

      All Obama did was end our misguided and arrogant attempt at nation building

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    7. Re:Balderdash by phayes · · Score: 1

      Oh sure, Obama is the prince of peace. He won the NPP, closed Guantanamo & left Iraq in a state capable of dealing with IS.

      By cutting and running Obama abandoned the partnership with the Sunni tribes that were the main reason violence in Iraq went down to the level it did as Obama took office. In doing so, Obama created the power vacuum that birthed ISIS. But of course some will blame Bush for everything bad in the world.

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    8. Re:Balderdash by purplie · · Score: 1

      No, it was given (symbolically) to Americans for not voting in another Bush.

    9. Re:Balderdash by dave420 · · Score: 1

      The partnerships are still there. Bush created the power vacuum, not Obama. It's rather apt to blame Bush for the invasion of Iraq, as he chose to invade it. You thinking it has nothing to do with it is incredibly telling.

    10. Re:Balderdash by phayes · · Score: 1

      It's only apt to blame Bush if you chose to ignore Obama's mistakes. But of course Obama won the NPP so for people like you, he can do no wrong. Bush's actions had repercussions, but the rise to power of IS is almost purely Obama's responsibility.

      Obama, by cutting and running - getting out as fast as he could, surrendered sovereignty to the Al-Maliki Shiite government who promptly declared the heads of the allied Sunni tribes terrorists and refused to integrate the sunni tribal members (as promised) into the national army nor continue to pay them to combat AQ. The allied tribesmen and the troop surge (criticized by Obama as sending more troops into a lost cause) that broke AQ in Iraq. It was Obama's abandonment of the Sunnis that what created the power vacuum that created IS. Had Obama not abandoned the Sunni tribesmen and forced Al-Maliki to respect the promises given to the Sunnis there would be no IS.

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  11. Wait a second... by Cheviot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When did they add climate change to the Doomsday Clock and what makes the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists experts on how much closer global warming puts us to global catastrophe?

    1. Re:Wait a second... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      what makes the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists experts on how much closer global warming puts us to global catastrophe?

      They have a consensus.

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    2. Re:Wait a second... by Cheviot · · Score: 1

      Understand, I don't disagree that global warming is a serious global threat. I just wonder why atomic scientists are judging it's relative danger.

    3. Re:Wait a second... by grumling · · Score: 1

      Sadly, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is against using fission for producing electricity, which, along with large-scale hydro, is the only way to actually reduce greenhouse gas without impacting quality of life.

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    4. Re:Wait a second... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      They're allowed to have an opinion, too, and they are scientists, after all, which means we might actually want at least to consider what they have to say. We're free to disagree with them, but we really should have some good reasons for that.

      Those who aspire to become nuclear physics do not study a "nuclear scientific method"; they learn how to apply the scientific method to the field of nuclear physics. Folks who want to become climate scientists do not study a "climate-scientific method"; they learn how to apply the scientific method to the field of climate science.

      Do you see where I'm going with this? Would I pay attention to a similar group of medical doctors, or chemists? Sure, why not?

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    5. Re:Wait a second... by Cheviot · · Score: 2

      Don't get me wrong, I value their opinion. But if suddenly I found out that odds of an earthquake were added to the National Weather Service's hurricane warning system I'd be asking the same question.

      The clock has always been about the odds of nuclear annihilation. Saying it's now also about global warming makes no sense.

  12. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by vo76topside · · Score: 1

    It has more to do with poverty than race.

  13. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by FoxMcElroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which sex is responsible for the vast majority of crime? Which sex has the most deadbeat fathers? I'm reasonably confident you're male because women don't post like this, statistically. Were you born a deviant creature? Black people scored much worse in the 1970s than white people and the gap has been closing. Are their genes adapting at an incredible rate? Since there are many black people far smarter than you or me, it's clear environment is far more important than genes. So, how do you think a racist environment affects children? You don't want to make anything better, but you could.

  14. Re:why in earth by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

    Reasons.

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  15. Re:What a surprise by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait, there's a left now in US politics? When did that happen?

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  16. Re:nobody fucking cares by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    What have you found that's better thanks sex? Heroine?

    No, you can have sex with a heroine. The word you want is heroin. HTH, HAND.

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  17. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which sex is responsible for the vast majority of crime?

    That's a good question. Women are likely convicted less when guilty (read also following section) so it's impossible to say.

    Which sex has the most deadbeat fathers?

    And now we see how surveys are conducted.

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  18. Re:Shouldn't it be past 12? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

    We were told in something like 2005 that unless there was action X within 4 years then we would be heading to disaster.

    No, we were not told that. Your assertion is simply a lie. Global warming happens over a much longer time period than this. There is not one single climatologist who would make such an absurd statement as to predict disaster within 4 years.

  19. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    Which race is massively over represented in prison? It isn't Asians.

    Americans. At least the last time I checked.

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  20. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

    And now we see how surveys are conducted

    "Not the reputable ones no, but there aren't many of those" - Sir Humphrey Appleby

  21. If No One Cares by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

    When you say "no one cares and this whole Doomsday Clock idea is stupid"....why are you even commenting. There has to be better things for you to do. Oh that's right, you're all hurt by others talking about things you don't find interesting or don't understand. Just like that 4 year old in the store yesterday.

  22. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Which race is massively over represented in prison? It isn't Asians.

    Depending on which country you're in, Caucasians.

    Which race comes dead last on IQ tests, time after time? It ain't the Jews.

    Depending on which country you're in, Caucasians.

    Which race has the most deadbeat fathers? It isn't the Irish.

    Depending on which country you're in, Caucasians (including Irish).

    Worldwide this race is an albatross around civilization's neck.

    Troglodytes. Ie: You and all the people who would place the blame on a person's race rather than their situation.

  23. Global warming = doomsday? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    you have to wonder why anyone would put any stock in it.

    Especially given that they now track global warming. Nuclear war is a doomsday scenario but global warming is most certainly not. It may cause economic hardship and the displacement of populations as sea levels rise plus the need to alter crops etc. but it is not going to wipe humanity off the face of the earth. Since the clock is supposedly set by scientists if they can be so wrong about something scientific then I have little faith they can predict the likelihood of nuclear war either given that this depends on politics.

    1. Re:Global warming = doomsday? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It certainly won't knock 'humanity off the face of the earth' but it could well cause significant population and natural resource competition.

      Guess what two of the most common reasons for human warfare are?

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  24. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by tmosley · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'd say it has more to do with the way the human brain processes skin color than poverty (blacks account for most of the prison population even accounting for socioeconomic status) or "race" (there really isn't such a thing--more genetic diversity in the human population of Africa than the rest of the world combined). Dark skinned (not just black Africans) people as a whole will, over the long term, always wind up making up the bulk of the population of the lowest tier of society, no matter which society they are in. Studies on young children show that the brain associates darker skin with masculinity, aggressiveness, and misbehavior, while white skin is associated with good behavior, trustworthiness, and femininity.

    Following this line of thought leads to a societal setup that, when compared to history, has created the only successful black societies--segregation. Places like Harlem and Greentown were successful prior to integration (or their total destruction in the face of the prospect of integration), as were civilizations like Nubia, Mali, and Great Zimbabwe, which successfully traded with civilizations populated by lighter skinned peoples.

    Many of the problems associated with dark skinned people around the world can thus likely be attributed to societal feedback loops (self-fulfilling prophesies) and brain drain, where the best and brightest "get out of the ghetto" rather than taking charge of the ghetto and making it a better place. Of course, many black societies also have their own cultural problems (corruption in Africa, anti-intellectualism in America, for example), but those don't explain the more widespread effect, and the fact that SKIN COLOR in and of itself is the most powerful predictor of IQ, no matter whether you are looking at America, India, Africa, Australia, or anywhere else.

    If you think this post is racist, then you think reality is racist and there is nothing I can do for you.

  25. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by tmosley · · Score: 1

    The same one that will do anything (but generally prefers to do constructive things as that is lower risk) for a small (large over time) chance at performing the reproductive act.

  26. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by Iconoclysm · · Score: 1

    So basically, one sex was participating in the world more than another. Makes sense.

  27. Re:Be a scientist and look at the data by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Which sex has the most deadbeat fathers?

    Is this a trick question? Something from Common Core?

    Was I left behind as a child?

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  28. Endings by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Well, that's what I want to talk to you all about; endings. Now, endings normally happen at the end. But as we all know, endings are just beginnings.
        You know, once these things really get started, it's jolly hard to stop them again. However, as we have all come this far, I think, under the circumstances the best solution is that we all just keep going. Let's keep this going in sight, never an ending. Let's remember that this world wants fresh beginnings.
        I feel here, in this country, and throughout the world, we are crying out for beginnings, beginnings. We never want to hear this word "endings".
        I know we all want to sit down. I know you want to take it easy. Of course we're looking for the good. Of course we're looking for the fresh start.

  29. Re:nobody fucking cares by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    What have you found that's better thanks sex? Heroine?

    Heroine's are OK under the proper circumstances but they tend to be all bossy and in charge of things, after all, they are the heroes.

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  30. Re: sponsored links? by Kichigai+Mentat · · Score: 1

    You're welcome to start paying to visit each and every website you want to see any time now.

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  31. Galaxy Quest by PPH · · Score: 1

    Wasn't that a scene in this movie where the self destruct timer continued to count down to :01? In spite of the correct code being entered. Because all self destruct timers seen in movies are disabled with only moments to spare for dramatic effect.

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  32. Re:sponsored links? by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Sure, I always run with that option enabled, and get a lot fewer ads. But pissing and moaning that a high-karma perk isn't 100% effective is pretty poor form. Slashdot is a business venture after all, not a public service. It needs to make a profit somehow.

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  33. Re: sponsored links? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    I've actually written a comment about this and it's doable today, with crypto-currencies.

  34. Three minutes... by Snufu · · Score: 1

    to miiiiiiid-niiiiiight!

  35. So which will happen first? by vandamme · · Score: 1

    Year of the Linux desktop?
    Doomsday?
    Nuclear fusion?

  36. This is still a thing? by KapUSMC · · Score: 1

    The Doomsday Clock is currently closer to midnight than it was during the Bay of Pigs. Really? REALLY?

  37. Re:sponsored links? by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Even .orgs need to pay the bills, and they can get quite high on high-traffic sites. So, either it's a vanity/public service project that somebody is paying for out of their own pocket, advertising material for an organization that generates income elsewhere, a charity (how often have you made a donation to keep the lights on here?), or it needs to generate income.

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  38. Re:What a surprise by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Well, then maybe you can point me to the US left?

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  39. I thought this was too dumb to be real... by TEKutz · · Score: 1

    "My father was a watch maker. He abandoned it when Einstein discovered time is relative. I would only agree that a symbolic clock is as nourishing to the intellect as photograph of oxygen to a drowning man." -Jon Osterman fuggin nailed it; more precisely, Alan Moore did.