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Young Cubans Set Up Mini-Internet

An anonymous reader writes: Internet connections remain illegal for Cuban households, but many of the country's citizens still want to tap into the power of networked information exchange. A group of tech-savvy young Cubans has set up a network comprising thousands of computers to serve as their own miniature version of the internet. They use chat rooms, play games, and connect to organize real-life activities. Cuban law enforcement seems willing to tolerate it (so far), but the network polices itself so as not to draw undue attention.

One of the engineers who helped build the network said, "We aren't anonymous because the country has to know that this type of network exists. They have to protect the country and they know that 9,000 users can be put to any purpose. We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."

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  1. Saddest line ever by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba We do the right thing and they let us keep at it.

    If you ever want to see how soul destroying communism is there it is. Might as well still have the country controlled by the Mafia, at least it would be more fun.

    1. Re:Saddest line ever by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's see you try to overthrow your government and post about it on the internet. Let's see how long you keep your free internet access (and your freedom in general).

    2. Re:Saddest line ever by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has nothing to do with Communism. It has everything to do with oversight and more about agencies abusing that oversight.
      Mind you, many western countries are running towards the same model where everybody is being watched and the slightest will make your life miserable. People will soon start to whisper. I already notice how I am wording things, because I know that in a few years what I said now WILL be used against me.

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    3. Re:Saddest line ever by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm Seeing as Marx himself did the same, I have to wonder how this is a result of American Propaganda

      From the communist manifesto

      We see then that the first step in the working class' revolution is to make the proletariat the ruling class. It will use its political power to seize all capital from the bourgeoisie and to centralize all instruments of production under the auspices of the State. Of course, in the beginning this will not be possible without "despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production."

      You need to explain to me how having the government be the economy and control all means of production renders communism a purely economic philosophy ?

    4. Re:Saddest line ever by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When every article about a communist, pseudo-communist, or crypto-communist country has to have a post like this (and it's in every thread), it's time to start thinking about why and how all communist countries (save, perhaps, India) become totalitarian hell-holes, and whether communism as a pure ideology is too hopelessly broken to implement in reality. Not to mention that it seems to me that no Scottish communism on earth is True Scottish communism.

      Western democracies are heading in that direction, but so far every country with a communist economic model has to start there.

    5. Re:Saddest line ever by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. {Winston Churchill}

      As you sit comfortably in your home and life sheltered by a Western democracy, it is all too easy to take for granted the freedoms you enjoy. Stories like this are about the rest of the World's citizens, and what happens when individual rights go away.

      Relish this when you have a moment, but never, ever, stop struggling to protect the erosion of these inalienable rights. Totalitarian regimes aren't all born beneath a single governing style or philosophy.

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    6. Re:Saddest line ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only two options are not "complete and total freedom to do anything you want" and "complete control by a dictatorship". no country is going to allow folks to plot a violent overthrow of the government. But being able to criticize the government is a basic human right that does not exist in Cuba. Granted the US is not perfect, or close to it, but we are a lot more free than our Cuban counterparts.

    7. Re:Saddest line ever by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Let's see you try to overthrow your government and post about it on the internet. Let's see how long you keep your free internet access (and your freedom in general).

      Right now, any dickwad in America is free to put up a website advocating abolishment of the American government. And indeed, many of them have. Further, there is in fact a completely legal process for elimination of the constitution; you could pass an Amendment replacing it with another document. Nothing prevents anyone from starting a political party on this basis. I bet if I were less lazy I could find some really batshit crazy examples right now, but I equally bet that some people out there in Slashdot-land already know of some. I hope they will help out and link them here.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:Saddest line ever by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You are *so* cool! I bet you have a neckbeard too!

      I sure do, but any time I go visit a new contract or even just go on vacation, I shave it. It's not an attachment or an affectation, I just don't measure my value by the cleanliness of my neck. It's not my fault I was born hairier than the average bear.

      But hey, thanks for recognizing how great I am. I could use the publicity.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:Saddest line ever by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, I'm sure Raoul Castro would be okay with you coming up with a plan to abolish or restructure the Cuban government, provided any such abolishment or restructuring went through the proper channel of getting Raoul Castro's approval first.

      Ditto with China. I doubt they would even blink an eye at your website entitled "My plan to abolish the Chinese government, with the prior approval and properly-obtained consent of the Chinese government."

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    10. Re:Saddest line ever by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is every few years in democratic nations you have the chance to over through the government legally.
      It is called a free election.

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  2. outsider question: why the USA embargo on Cuba? by fantomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not a flamebait question/troll even though it might seem so!

    This article does indeed show how folk can be creative under a restrictive government: the Cuban authorities don't look like the victim when they are not allowing their own citizens access to the internet (anybody know what their justification is - I'd be interested to know the official reasoning).

    But on the other side and in a more general sense, can somebody tell me why the USA still has an embargo against Cuba? (sensible answers only please). It's really perplexing for an outsider so reasonable answers would be welcomed. The USA doesn't have a problem with quite open trade and relations with other nominally communist states (e.g. China, Vietnam). It doesn't mind trading with other countries it was at war with 50 years ago. It doesn't mind trading with countries who had /still have nuclear missiles pointing at it. It doesn't mind embracing countries with poor human rights records.

    Is it because of the proximity of Cuba, or some other reason? Really curious, feels like an odd hang over from a cold war that finished before many slashdotters were born...

    cheers!

    1. Re:outsider question: why the USA embargo on Cuba? by will_die · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It stays because there is a large group of voters in Florida who still want it and the rest of the country that could care less if it is there or not. Then on the Cuba side they have always done what they can to keep it because it gave Fidel a ralleying cry on why Cuba is in so bad of shape.
      With current talks will have to see what happens.

    2. Re:outsider question: why the USA embargo on Cuba? by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

      The embargo against cuba did nto really start until the 1960s, before then there were arms embargoes.
      It did start as you mentioned after Cuba seized a few US companies assets, US did a minor embargo, Cuba went in seized all other companies and the US started embargoing most trade.
      Since then the embargo has been attempted to be lifted but the political backlash from Florida and a decent amount of voters in the rest of the US has stopped it. With Fidel gone and the communist threat basically dead it is now just the voters in florida, and sugar producers who really care about it.
      As for all those properties that is something that is being discussed now and will have to be decided upon. Another major problem is going to be who owns the trademark names to various products. For example Bacardi, now USA but originally cubian, has trademarks they say they own while a company in Cuba also claims it; while there is an embargo and neither company can sell in other place it is meanless legal fight once the embargo is gone now it is a major international legal dispute.

  3. If by "some fucked up stuff" by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean like torture and murder of political dissidents, people being routinely thrown into prison for speech that is not only legal but won't have US law enforcement even raise an eyebrow and various other tyrannical sundries then yeah. They can't own a cell phone or computer without the state's permission, but hey... free healthcare people!

    This just goes to show how pathetic a lot of leftists are. But but Cuba has some great, free healthcare. Yeah? Cuba's also politically and economically FUBAR to the nth degree compared to even most of Latin America. There's a reason Cubans are more likely to expatriate than people in, say, Guatemala, the Dominican Republic or Honduras to try to sneak into Cuba.

    1. Re:If by "some fucked up stuff" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean like torture and murder of political dissidents, people being routinely thrown into prison

      I thought for a second you were describing the US there. I guess its ok to torture and murder as long as you call them terrorists. As for the number of people put into prison: throwing stones, glass houses etc.

    2. Re:If by "some fucked up stuff" by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This just goes to show how pathetic a lot of leftists are. But but Cuba has some great, free healthcare. Yeah? Cuba's also politically and economically FUBAR to the nth degree

      Leftists including myself bring up Cuba's health care system to show that even a country which is totally busted politically and economically can manage a national health care system which provides outcomes as good as what we have now (which ain't that great, but bear with this argument) for pennies on the dollar. It's not that we should go commie, it's that even the commies can manage health care. Here in the allegedly greatest nation in the world, the only magnificent part of our health care system is the size of the bill.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  4. Thanks everybody for reasoned answers! by fantomas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks for your reasoned and sensible answers, really good insights. I appreciate your time in giving me some perspectives I'd not considered.

    Not something you hear on slashdot every day :-)

  5. Don't believe everything you read... by gwolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cubans *do* have access to Internet. I (Mexican) have been there several times. In 1998, I became a close friend with a Cuban university teacher, and in 2000 I travelled to Cuba with tens of Linux and Free Software books, hundreds of CDs with distros of the day. I was quite in close contact with the Linux user groups in Santiago and La Habana, and less so but still met some people from Pinar del Río and Baracoa.
    My friend later moved to Spain. Yes, he didn't go out the most legal way there is — But he kept in touch with his family. I kept in touch with his family as well (Internet access is not restricted to the university). His mother and his sister both travelled to Spain to visit him, and went back to Cuba.
    I went again to Cuba in 2010; I stayed at the Universidad de las Ciencias Informáticas, ~10Km from the capital. The university is in a decomissioned soviet naval base; it is a huge university city, with hundreds of student dorm apartments. Every apartment has a computer connected to Internet. They do have strict quotas, but they all have network access.
    The embargo, as you mention really harms Cuba. The country is clearly among the materially poorest I have visited. Hopefully things will now improve. No, it's not (only?) a communist regime that has kept them from developing.