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The Gap Between What The Public Thinks And What Scientists Know

First time accepted submitter burtosis writes Despite similar views about the overall place of science in America, the general public and scientists often see science-related issues through a different lens, according to a new pair of surveys by the Pew Research Center in collaboration with the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). From FiveThirtyEight: "The surveys found broad support for government to spend money on science, but that doesn't mean the public supports the conclusions that scientists draw. The biggest gap between scientists and the public came on issues that may elicit fear: the safety of genetically modified (or GMO) foods (37 percent of the public said GMOs were safe, compared to 88 percent of scientists) and the use of pesticides in agriculture (28 percent of the public said foods grown with pesticides were safe to eat, versus 68 percent of scientists). There was also disagreement over the cause of climate change (50 percent of the public said it is mostly due to human activity, compared to 87 percent of scientists). Here’s a full list, via Pew Research Center, of the scientific issues the survey asked about."

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  1. More ambiguous cruft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Scientist" is a woefully ambiguous term. As I scientist, I think GMO food is perfectly safe. I am a nuclear scientist and know little about the GMO process, but that doesn't matter. My opinion does.

    1. Re:More ambiguous cruft by johanw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may be safe to eat, but there are other issues with GMO food than that. Setting loose genes in the environment for other organisms to pick up for example. Or patent issues with companies like Monsanto. Those are much less decided by science.

    2. Re:More ambiguous cruft by muridae · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a Computer Science major, I worry more about the patenting of plants; the copyright of the genetic structure; the terms of licenses imposed by the giant GMO firms; the common use of sterile plants to prevent that "IP" from escaping the farms. They may be safe to eat, but "safe" to me means we won't intentionally repeat the potato famine.

    3. Re:More ambiguous cruft by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only issue there is that if pollen blows into my field, I don't think it is reasonable that I have to pay you a licensing fee.

      Take for example a bull that breaks through a fence and breeds with some of my cattle. Do I have to pay a breeding fee for you bull's "service" to my herd? No.

      And the thing is that Monsanto has done that in the past. What is more, they'll have funny genes that will not only not fertilize my crops but will literally make them sterile. There are terminator genes that won't breed true. And so that bull that hopped the fence not only bred with my cattle but effectively implanted defective genetic material that will miscarry.

      In regards to corn specifically, the GMO corn should probably not produce pollen. Or if it does, that pollen has to not screw up non-GMO corn and has to not incur any fee to Monsanto etc.

      If a farmer is just trying to grow his crops and wants nothing to do with the whole thing, these GMO crops often make that very difficult. If the GMO crops don't spread their DNA to non-GMO crops then they're fine. I really don't have a problem with GMO in theory. The issue is that in practice it tends to have a lot of problems that are not okay.

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    4. Re:More ambiguous cruft by BCGlorfindel · · Score: 5, Informative

      The only issue there is that if pollen blows into my field, I don't think it is reasonable that I have to pay you a licensing fee.

      Take for example a bull that breaks through a fence and breeds with some of my cattle. Do I have to pay a breeding fee for you bull's "service" to my herd? No.

      And the thing is that Monsanto has done that in the past...

      I believe you've been misled. If you can cite and example that'd be great. The one that got me up in arms was back when Percy Schmeiser lost in court against Monsanto for exactly this. His case was famous at the time, until I brought it up with my family that actually are farming. He's basically the only case I'm aware of where the claim of cross pollination led to a lawsuit by Monsanto. The truth though, is that Percy collected his own seed from his crop normally. Then, his neighbour planted round-up ready Canola beside his own field. Contrary to the story that you and I are told by the GMO fear mongers, his field was NOT accidentally contaminated. Percy actually went along the edge of his field that was shared with his neighbour, and sprayed the entire strip with round up, killing everything he planted but keeping enough of seeds that made it to the edge of his field from his neighbour's. Percy then collected the surviving plants to plant as seed. He deliberately and purposely set out to acquire the GMO seed and went to extreme lengths to do so.

  2. Blame politics by kruach+aum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's because the general public get most (all) of their information about science from sources that have a particular goal in mind when it comes to how that information should be interpreted. First a fear is created, because fear sells, and then they offer a politics based (rather than facts based) answer, because relief also sells.

    Further, people won't listen to scientists, but they will listen to news anchors and politicians, because fiction is far easier to understand than facts.

  3. Re:Are GMOs safe by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you mean Bacillus thuringiensis toxin?

    You mean the toxin that is classified as organic and can and is sprayed on plants as an organic pesticide?

    You know the one where the only way to harm a human with it is to inhale it as a powder and in that form it causes the same damage as inhaling almost any other powder. Even inhaling sugar as a powder is bad for you.

    That toxin is COMPLETELY inert inside humans. However insects and some fish can cleave the protein and can then be killed by the toxin.

    The organic version is sprayed on plants, washes off and damages local aquatic life. The GMO version does not wash off and has no impact on local aquatic life. The GMO version also concentrates in the parts of the plant we don't eat.

    The organic way of using BT toxin is worse in ALL WAYS than the GMO version.

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  4. Re:The Public - who cares? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares what the fucking public think? They're the worthless sheep that keep us locked in a pathetic 2-party system,

    When talking about the public, you should use the pronoun "we", not "they".

  5. Re:pesticides are expensive, so you buy resistant by jcupitt65 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not always correct. Roundup-ready crops sold by Monsanto (for example) are not resistant to pests, they are resistant to herbicides. They let you spray MORE, not less.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

  6. Re:whose payroll is the scientist on? It matters by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    > A recent GAO report said that $106 BILLION was spent by the US government through 2010 on global warming research

    Im staring at the Forbes report at http://www.whitehouse.gov/site.... Note that a lot of that money is involved in "clean" energy projects which have dual or triple use: reducing pollution, improving arable land, water management, emergency planning for coastal areas, and switching from unsustainable fuel resources to sustainable, less greenhouse gas producing fuels.

    I'm also afraid you're comparing apples to oranges. Most of the federal budget is not "advertising" to compare to oil companies, it's a great deal of real work with multiple scientific. urban development, and economic uses. If you compare it to the amount of money oil companies spent on drilling for new oil or on research to expand their markets, you'd have a better scale.

  7. Re: whose payroll is the scientist on? It matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've read a lot of journal articles, and granted, they arne't Science or Nature since I don't have expertese in those fields, but more like IEEE transactions. In those journals, I'm always shocked as to the piss poor quality of the a lot of the articles. And honestly, some of the most interesting articles I've read weren't in top tier journals. They went against the mainstream and IEEE wouldn't touch them. If you think groupthink isn't a thing in science, you're massively naive.

  8. Re:More ambiguous cruft: hardly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think paycheck corruption in science today is even worse, like with the CAGW promoters.

    IF that were true, then the climate scientists who know the "truth" would be able to get all the grants they want from the fossil fuel industry and "clean up" or least get a paycheck.

    See, if global warming were in fact a hoax or even over-blown, the oil, gas, and coal industries would be handing out grants like candy with their unlimited money. I wold expect to see the battles like the cigarette industry put up.

    But they are not. They only thing they have is press releases and propaganda - usually attacking AGW on political grounds (like increased taxes or some other nonsense.)

    Which tells me that there is nothing there scientifically for them.

    The evidence is conclusive: human caused global warming is fact.

  9. Re:how many times have scientists been wrong? by naasking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I notice that you don't balance how many times scientists have been wrong against how many times they've been right. What do you suppose a scientist's wrong:right ratio is as compared to a non-scientist's?

  10. Re:More ambiguous cruft: hardly. by ideonexus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly this.

    What's funny is that when Climate Change Skeptics, the Koch Brothers, funded their own study and planted an outspoken critic of climate change science as the director of the research, that skeptic ended up becoming a believer and published an Op-Ed in the NYT explaining how wrong he had been to not accept the science.

    But somehow people still find a way to rationalize it all away as just the invention of a bunch of wealthy limousine-riding scientists keeping down those poor, defenseless oil companies.

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