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The Strangest Moon In the Solar System

StartsWithABang writes Moons in our Solar System — at least the ones that formed along with the planets — all revolve counterclockwise around their planetary parents, with roughly uniform surfaces orbiting in the same plane as their other moons and rings. Yet one of Saturn's moon's, Iapetus, is unique, with a giant equatorial ridge, an orbital plane that doesn't line up, and one half that's five times brighter than the other. While the first two are still mysteries, the last one has finally been solved.

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  1. Medium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Linking to Medium is the new linking to LiveJournal.

    1. Re:Medium. by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess the people that used to read Time Magazine and Readers' Digest are the new target audience of Slashdot.

      After all, we could have links to scientific papers or at least their abstracts written by actual scientists who studied the phenomena.

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    2. Re:Medium. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      How appropriate that this is the Starts with a Bang blog: way too many sentences in the postings on this site end with a bang.

      ... one half of Iapetus is only about one-fifth as bright as the other!

      But one of them has!

      ... density of about seven dust-sized grains per cubic kilometer!

      ... and finally know why it has a yin-yang coloration unlike anything else!

      Zowie! Boom! Kablooie!

      These articles read like a comic book. When I'm looking for scientific details, the style of these articles is really offputting.

    3. Re:Medium. by ncc74656 · · Score: 2

      Besides, it's PICTURES!

      ...and text 2-3x larger than it needs to be. Had to press Ctrl-- a few times to get it back down to roughly what every other website uses. Are they writing for the semi-blind?

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  2. The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's HUGE.

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    1. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by Sique · · Score: 2

      Actually, Saturn also has a moon that is larger than Earth's Moon, Titan. Albeit the largest moon of Neptune, Triton, misses the size of Earth's Moon by about 200 km of radius.

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    2. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure why you're modded funny. The relative sizes of the Earth/Moon system is a total anomaly, so much so that it is very very close to the point where you have to call them a double planet rather than a planet and moon.

    3. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is also the bizzare coincidence that the size of our moon, viewed from the earth is almost exactlty the same as the sun, viewed from the earth -- hence total eclipses of the sun.

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    4. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technically, the moon isn't *yet* a planet, but will be in a few millions of years.

      There is no "technically" in this case, as there is no formal definition of a double planet. Some people think the barycenter moving above the surface is the definition of a double planet, but that is in no way formal or "technically." Plenty of astronomers think that definition is not very useful, because changing distance between two bodies can always move the barycenter out of the surface of the larger one, while not changing the dynamics in any qualitative way. Jupiter already moves the barycenter of the solar system out of the Sun. Given the current objects known in the solar system though, there is no need for a formal definition of a double planet, because there is no need to specify such a category when naming one or two examples is enough.

    5. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by aaron4801 · · Score: 2

      The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth. Contrast that with the Pluto-Charon system where that point lies between the bodies, and the difference between a planet/moon and a dual planet becomes clear.

    6. Re:The strangest moon in the solar system is ours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The moon has been receding from the earth since its creation. The coincidence is that we are here to observe the moon during the time when the visual sizes are so similar.

  3. Unique? by stjobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet one of Saturn's moon's, Iapetus, is unique

    Aren't they all unique?

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    1. Re:Unique? by Keramos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yet one of Saturn's moon's, Iapetus, is unique

      Aren't they all unique?

      Yes, and they're all special too.
      And they can grow up to be any kind of planet they want.

      AS LONG AS IT'S A DWARF PLANET, RIGHT PLUTO? HA HA HA, LOSER!

    2. Re:Unique? by Keramos · · Score: 2

      I'm happy to compromise and leave plutonium there, as long as elements 119 and 120 aren't named Mickium and Donaldium. Although perhaps given the length of certain copyrights, those names might be appropriate if they happen to fall into the island of stability.

  4. Re:Counterclockwise? by Keramos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Viewed from which side? Counterclockwise does not apply here.

    Viewed when looking down from the north pole. This is mentioned in TFA, per

    Rather that [sic] (looking down from the north pole) orbiting counterclockwise around its parent planet, which all the other moons do, Phoebe revolves clockwise around Saturn.

  5. To summarize. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I found this article to be rather long winded in order to create a story with suspense.
    The moon has a side facing away from Saturn which is darker then the side facing saturn. It seems to be due to collecting dust from a larger ring that is on the border of its orbit.

    Done, saved you a long and pointless naritive.

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    1. Re:To summarize. by Keramos · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found this article to be rather long winded in order to create a story with suspense. The moon has a side facing away from Saturn which is darker then the side facing saturn. It seems to be due to collecting dust from a larger ring that is on the border of its orbit.

      Done, saved you a long and pointless naritive.

      Actually, that's not quite correct. You've got two errors there, and missing the real mystery, although the article itself actually fails to explicitly specify what the solution is.

      The darker side is actually the leading hemisphere, not the far or outer side (from Saturn). Dust doesn't onto the far side, the moon plows through it in places, getting dust on the leading side. No mystery here for quite a while though - telescopes have been able to make out "the dark patterns look a lot like dust" for quite a while. The Phoebe ring itself was only detected about 10 years ago, but it was expected that dust was coming from the outer moons for a while.

      The thing is, if the only process happening was that dust was being swept up by Iapetus, then every time the dark side faced the Sun, the dark coating would heat up, cause the ice underneath it to sublime (think evaporate, if that doesn't mean anything - it's close enough) and freeze again over the dust, leaving behind a light surface again. But we see a dark surface. Why? Mystery!

      The solution (which the article doesn't really explain fully) is that initially dust from the ring caused ice to turn to gas, leaving behind a dark residue that we now see (and the Cassini probe has been able to measure), but instead of just floating around above the (relatively) warm, dark surface until it faces away from the Sun and cools down, much of the vapour refreezes on the light side as it passes over it due to the lower temperature there.

      The dark residue (not the original dust) now causes further heating each orbit, repeating the cycle. Over time, a large amount of ice from the leading side is being evaporated away, leaving that side to get darker and darker from the residue, with a certain amount of the ice migrating to the light side and refreezing (as light coloured ice) keeping it nice and bright.

      TLDR: Mystery! Dust doesn't explain the dark leading side of Iapetus! Ice would cover it in a shiny coat each orbit. Planetary detectives trace the culprit to dark residues left behind as heated ice moves to a new neighbourhood on the cooler side of the moon. More dark areas means more solar heating, and more ice migrating away in a self-perpetuating cycle. Mystery solved! Good job, planetary scientists!

    2. Re:To summarize. by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      Done, saved you a long and pointless narrative.

      Where were you for all those Bennett Hassleton articles?

    3. Re: To summarize. by Yakasha · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Here is a summary you can copy/paste for all hazelton articles:

      Derp!

  6. Re:Iapetus... by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The fun is that in 2001, the bright side of Iapetus was sculpted, with the monolith in the middle. In reality the dark side is sculpted from passage through the dust ring.

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  7. What a hideous annoying website medium.com is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We aren't all using tablets or phones. Looks like crap on my laptop.

    As for the article, if you are going to casually use words like "sublimate" without definition, it means your target audience is sophisticated enough that you don't need to write using a breathless, made for reality TV, annoyingly *excited* tone.

  8. The Ridge by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    POssibly the moon is formed from 2 bodies colliding and before it could completely settle down into a round shape it froze with that ridge remaining?

  9. Re:Counterclockwise? by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only planet whose north pole is not on the same side of the Ecliptic as the Earth's north pole is Uranus. In Uranus' case, the north pole is nearly in the Ecliptic itself, tilted at 98. All the other planets have their rotation axis (axial tilt) either nearly vertical to their orbit plane (e.g. Mercury, Venus, Jupiter), or tilted at about 20-30 (Earth, Mars, Saturn, Neptune).

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  10. mindblowing by dingleberrie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude... Do you think that when Pink Floyd sang about the Dark side of the moon, they were really talking about Iapetus?

  11. Re:Counterclockwise? by rwa2 · · Score: 2

    Yes, agreed for most planets... but what about Uranus?

    (serious question, since it rotates sideways on its axis)

  12. Re:Counterclockwise? by mister_playboy · · Score: 2

    The only planet whose north pole is not on the same side of the Ecliptic as the Earth's north pole is Uranus.

    Venus's axial tilt is 177 degrees, that's about "not on the same side of the Ecliptic" as it could be.

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  13. Re:Counterclockwise? by Mariner28 · · Score: 2

    I was going to say that since all planets (and most moons) with the exception of Uranus have their rotational axis all lined approximately the same way as Earth, that the north pole could be defined as the same as earth: the pole from which the planet seems to be rotating counter-clockwise (or anti-clockwise for you Brits).

    But there's a glaring exception to that rule: Venus rotates in the opposite direction - clockwise from its "northern" pole. The leading theory is, like Earth, Venus was struck by a large planetoid early in the solar system's history, but unlike Earth's moon, the planetoid was totally absorbed by Venus, i.e., a direct hit. The angular momentum imparted by the planetoid caused Venus to "flip". The same theory has been proposed for Uranus' sideways orientation as well.

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  14. Re:That's no moon! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

    They promise to only look at our metadata, not the content of our cell calls and digital pictures.

  15. Re:Counterclockwise? by tylersoze · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or just use the right hand rule :) Where "north" is by definition the positive direction of the total angular momentum pseudo-vector of the solar system.

  16. Re:Counterclockwise? by Convector · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the IAU definition, the north pole for a major planet (or one of its satellites) is the pole on the same side of the ecliptic as the Earth's north pole, the North Celestial Hemisphere. By this definition, Venus and Uranus are retrograde rotators -- they rotate clockwise about their north poles.

    For comets and minor planets (including Dwarf planets), the north pole is the pole about which the body rotates counterclockwise. So the north pole of a retrograde-rotating asteroid points into the South Celestial Hemisphere.

    This brings us (as do all topics that mention the IAU) to Pluto. Pluto rotates retrograde. It was once considered a major planet, so it's north pole would have been on the same side of the ecliptic as ours. But as a dwarf planet, the opposite definition applies. Even before the 2006 decision, the convention was inconsistently applied. Papers have been published using each definition of the north pole, and they're not always good about stating which convention they used. With New Horizons on the doorstep, we're going to need consistency for mapping and navigation. So I believe the mission has decided to use the current IAU definition consistently to avoid any confusion. There was a huge fight over the coordinate system of Vesta on the Dawn mission, and we don't want that.

  17. Re:Counterclockwise? by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

    "North" is a geocentric concept that can be projected outward upon the solar system.

    That one is simple and easy since there is a clear consensus among Earth dwellers as to which way is north.

    In other situations it can get more complicated, such as when projecting the egocentric concept of "Left" and "Right" outward from an individual point of view. The simplest case is when looking at a photo of Mutt and Jeff, and being told that Mutt is on the left. Even though when the photo was taken both Jeff would have said that Mutt was on his right side.

    There are even greater problems when there is no consensus within the group. For instance, for a libtard "going to the Left" is definitely right, but "going to the Right" is clearly wrong, which is as succinct a summary of the state of USA politics as you can get. Well, except for the die hard Tea Partiers, where "Right" is always right, and "Left" is always wrong. But then after rejecting everything that is not right, all the Tea Partiers have left is right. Which is at best terribly confusing.

    It was all so much simpler during the last American civil war, when everything was either North or South.

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  18. Re:That's no moon! by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Actually that's a mistranslation, it should be:
    They promise to only look at our metadata, not the content of our glial cells and mental pictures.

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  19. Kubrick switched to Jupiter due to F/X ease by peter303 · · Score: 2

    In one of the books on the Making of 2001 Kubrick it was hard to obtain the F/X artisitc effect he wanted of Saturn and Iapetus, so he switched to a black-gate orbiting Jupiter. The movie and the book were co-made at the same time, mostly agreeing. Jupiter is one choice because its the second largest thing in the Solar System. Clark instread, chose something so odd, that could not be natural.

  20. Re:Counterclockwise? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Informative

    Towards Polaris, and in fact that gives the direction of "galactic north" too. Note due to precession of Earth's axis after 3000 AD Gamma Cephei will become the pole star, and Iota Cephei in 5200 AD. Thuban was the pole star in 3000 B.C. Polaris will again become the pole star about 27,800AD