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Kickstarted Firefox OS HDMI Dongle Delayed, DRM Support Being Added

An anonymous reader writes: You may recall last September when Mozilla and a new company named Matchstick announced a Kickstarter project for a new device that would compete with Google's Chromecast. It was an HDMI dongle for streaming media that runs on Firefox OS. They easily quadrupled their $100,000 funding goal, and estimated a ship date of February, 2015. Well, they emailed backers today to say that the Matchstick's release is being pushed back to August. They list a few reasons for the delay. For one, they want to upgrade some of the hardware: they're swapping the dual-core CPU for a quad-core model, and they're working on the Wi-Fi antenna to boost reception. But on the software side, the biggest change they mention is that they're adding support for DRM. This is a bit of a surprise, since all they said on the Kickstarter about DRM was that they hoped it would be handled "either via the playback app itself or the OS." Apparently this wasn't possible, so they're implementing Microsoft PlayReady tech on the Matchstick.

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  1. WTF- DRM-free please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am so disappointed in the open source community. It's like they don't care about the very foundation this community was built on. They don't care about users freedom what-so-ever. All they care about is market share. If I wanted to use Microsoft Windows or Mac OS X or Google Chrome I'd have just bought that instead. I've got a system already running DRM-free, but unfortunately with adobe flash. I'm trying to move AWAY from that crap not towards it.

    1. Re:WTF- DRM-free please! by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pfft can't do anything via HDMI without HDCP to keep movie studios happy.

    2. Re:WTF- DRM-free please! by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Pfft can't do anything via HDMI without HDCP to keep movie studios happy.

      Yeah... just hoping this is the last round, DVDs were a huge upgrade over VHS but they hated that CSS was broken, BluRay was their chance for a do-over but AACS, BD+, Cinavia and HDCP 1.x all failed them in the end. This time they've added all the bells and whistles, the resolution is on par with DCI 4K - natively 4096x2160, but they never use all the pixels as they crop for 1.85:1 or 2.39:1 so at most they'll use 8.6k pixels versus 8.3k for UHD, wider gamut than cinemas (DCI P3 is 72% of Rec.2020), 10 bit color - okay DCI gets 12, high frame rates (up to 60 fps, cinemas only do 48), 32 channel audio - double the 16 tracks cinemas get, hdr and so on.

      What I hope this means is that if you break it a third time after it's firmly established it's three strikes, you're out. An almost 100GB HEVC encoded movie is probably so close to the master that trying to make a better-than-4k format would be nonsense. If they "have to" sell their best version in a DRM-broken way maybe they'll stop the madness and become more user-friendly. And if you say "when hell freezes over" it did happen with music, which seemed equally unlikely at the time.

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    3. Re:WTF- DRM-free please! by kesuki · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Pfft can't do anything via HDMI without HDCP to keep movie studios happy."

      not true at all. my alienware laptop will only accept inbound HDCP codes from modern updating gaming consoles, as such trying to display a desktop on the laptops display doesn't work because HDCP is not fully implemented in windows linux etc. yes if you use powerdvd to play a bluray it will use HDCP but in truth the windows and linux devices don't use HDCP by default unless software with the current HDCP key is used. to protect that key it is not included with windows. and powerdvd uses encryption to protect its key. make a roll your own home theater pc based on an open source distribution and all your 'ripped' or 'downloaded' content will play to any hdmi device and it will play just fine

    4. Re:WTF- DRM-free please! by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > Pfft can't do anything via HDMI without HDCP to keep movie studios happy.

      Sure you can. This is how you can connect Macs and PCs running Linux to a TV with an HDMI port. I am not quite sure who they were supposed to be pandering to with this move. Hooking up an HDMI connection should be a simple thing that requires permission from no one. Shouldn't matter if it's wired or wireless.

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    5. Re:WTF- DRM-free please! by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clearly the ignorant gits that want to perpetuate corporate friendly (and Microsoft friendly) urban legends have never actually tried any of this stuff before. A PC, a real PC, will just treat the HDMI port as yet another output. A TV is also nothing special. It will just treat your PC as just another set top box.

      Encryption is NOT required. It's an available OPTION if you happen to be foolish enough to have something like a Sony BluRay player (which ironically happens to run Linux).

      There is really nothing distinctive about a "television" any more.

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  2. Re:Too much money? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
    It's just that everything coming out of Mozilla has a habit of succumbing to feature creep and bloat and blue-sky thinking.

    They never heard of the RCA engineering principle - once it works, start taking out parts until it stops working.

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  3. The HDMI dongle I want by Snotnose · · Score: 2

    Plug it into my TV, then let me stream music/video from my laptop. My laptop is harder to lose than a small remote (hello Roku, lost your @!#$$ remote over the holidays), usually within arms reach, can access my 3 TB NAS, and is easy to get content onto. My TV is plugged into my stereo, and the stereo remote is not only nice and big, but gets used several times a day. Currently the only way to play my music on my stereo is to burn a CD.

    / not picking on you Roku // I seem to have issues with small, seldom used remotes

    1. Re:The HDMI dongle I want by psergiu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A bit larger than a dongle but does what you want: Raspberry Pi + any XBMC-based distro
      Has HDMI CEC si you can use those "useless" media buttons on your TV's remote to control XMBC, no extra remote needed = you can hide the RPi in the back of the TV.

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    2. Re:The HDMI dongle I want by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called a PC. Hook it up to the TV (or receiver if applicable) and the network. Play anything video you want. Play any audio you want. Access the full internet. Play games. Do all the fucking things. Laugh at DRM. Torrent to your heart's content.

      There is no substitute.

  4. Re:Too much money? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

    Sounds like an awful way to design. You get design by minimalism, and of course where software "stops working" is divined by some high priests or whatever. That's how you get shit like, one button mouse, inability to block ads, no close button on your window, inability to customize UI, loss of familiar UI elements. All it takes is redefining "works" to exclude some set of users or potential users. "Our users shouldn't be X" -> GNOME happens. That sort of thing.

  5. Re:Too much money? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
    It's actually quite good because it forces you to stick to the original spec. If you read the 1400 comments on Kickstarter, a LOT of people are really angry because they've changed the specs just as they were supposed to start shipping product.

    People have figured out that they knew long before they announced the change that they were not going to ship in time but kept lying about it right up until the end.

    Also, since they're now including DRM. that's become another flash point. The commenters lay it all out pretty well. The Matchstick sounds like it's being run by the Matchstick Men. Accusations of fraud, bait-and-switch, lots of demands for refunds, being in bed with content providers ...

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  6. I'm a backer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Very disappointed by this. Wanted this because it was an open hardware / open software solution. If I'd wanted some Netflix/DRM ready stick I'd have just bought a Chromecast. Very unhappy with Matchstick.

    1. Re:I'm a backer by sectokia · · Score: 2

      Oh look.... they were on Twitter not even two weeks ago claiming they were producing and on schedule. And now its a 6 month delay. I would pretty much say this is 99%+ a scam now.

  7. Another failure followed by product swap. by sectokia · · Score: 2

    Looks like they were using the kick starter dollars to try and fund a competitive USB stick computer. Half way through they realised they were about to get 1-up'd spec wise basically making the stick uncompetitive and DOA at their targeted retail price. This happens a lot of with kick-starters. When it does you are expected to follow through, get the backers the item, and then close down, never getting a good product to a wide market. However in this case they taken the money and used it to invest in a completely different product.... There last update is basically telling backers that they have taken all the money, won't be shipping the stick, and will be using it to work on a new product. The backers are all rightly furious. I wonder what the T&C's are....

  8. Open source was never about software freedom by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am so disappointed in the open source community. It's like they don't care about the very foundation this community was built on.

    The open source movement was started to never raise a user's software freedom as an issue. Read the FSF's essays (older essay, newer essay) on how open source differs from free software and you'll get a very clear explanation of how open source's goal to speak to business means accepting proprietary software and whatever other anti-user stuff businesses want to implement with proprietary software (DRM, spyware, back doors, patent traps, etc.). Mozilla's partnering with Adobe, the Linux kernel accepting and distributing proprietary software as part of the project (code which GNU Linux-libre removes), and Mono developers celebrating Microsoft's releasing .NET software under the MIT X11 license without acknowledging the danger of Microsoft's patent promise are just a few examples of how the philosophical differences between the older ethically-minded free software movement and the younger developmental methodology-focused open source movement play out on the ground.