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$10K Ethernet Cable Claims Audio Fidelity, If You're Stupid Enough To Buy It
MojoKid writes: There are few markets that are quite as loaded-up with "snake oil" products as the audio/video arena. You may have immediately thought of "Monster" cables as one of the most infamous offenders. But believe it or not, there are some vendors that push the envelope so far that Monster's $100 HDMI cables sound like a bargain by comparison. Take AudioQuest's high-end Ethernet cable, for example. Called "Diamond," AudioQuest is promising the world with this $10,500 Ethernet cable. If you, for some reason, believe that an Ethernet cable is completely irrelevant for audio, guess again. In addition to promises about the purity and smoothness of the silver conductors, and their custom "Noise-Dissipation System," they say," "Another upgrade with Diamond is a complete plug redesign, opting for an ultra-performance RJ45 connector made from silver with tabs that are virtually unbreakable. The plug comes with added strain relief and firmly lock into place ensuring no critical data is lost." Unfortunately, in this case, there's the issue of digital data being, well... digital. But hey, a 1 or a 0 could arrive at its destination so much cleaner, right?
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PLEASE! You must listen! We cannot maintain the link for long... I will type as fast as I can.
DO NOT USE THE CABLES!
We were fools, fools to develop such a thing! Sound was never meant to be this clear, this pure, this... accurate. For a few short days, we marveled. Then the... whispers... began.
Were they Aramaic? Hyperborean? Some even more ancient tongue, first spoken by elder races under the red light of dying suns far from here? We do not know, but somehow, slowly... we began to UNDERSTAND.
No, no, please! I don't want to remember! YOU WILL NOT MAKE ME REMEMBER! I saw brave men claw their own eyes out... oh, god, the screaming... the mobs of feral children feasting on corpses, the shadows MOVING, the fires burning in the air! The CHANTING!
WHY CAN'T I FORGET THE WORDS???
We live underground. We speak with our hands. We wear the earplugs all our lives.
Do not use the cables!
Next cost plus contract I see, I will spec all the cables as these.
The contracts are the cost plus a profit margin.
The more we spend the more we make.
What actually matters isn't the fidelity of the sound, but the self-satisfaction you feel when you listen to it.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
You think they are crazy, but as along time audiophile I can till you we are just trolls who are spending or claiming to spend lots of money only to get attention. This conspiracy has been going on for to many decades now, but it's getting old so I'm exposing it here.
I'm just going listen to Simon and Garfunkel on my built in 386 era PC-speaker now.
ask an ye shall recieve: http://www.the-ear.net/review-...
I am truly sad that I forgot the brand, but my favourite snake oil product in the audio industry was an RCA interconnect cable. It was unique compared to all the other cables. Rather than using some weird alloy hand picked by Hathor the goddess of music, they decided to eliminate the pesky metal altogether and replace it with .... optic fibre.
Yes gentlemen they did the impossible. They produced the first RCA cable which actually had a measurable performance impact on the sound. By modulating an LED on one end and picking it up with a photoresistor on the other the cable selling in the thousands of dollars introduced in the order of 0.2%THD to the signal, orders of magnitude worse than a cheap amplifier, and infinitely worse than any other cable which produces no measurable change at all.
I am really annoyed I forgot the brand of it, but believe it or not people actually bought into this shit and said it sounded amazing.
Believe it.
You should see what this cable does for porn!
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Maybe 10k$ is a little bit over my budget, but trust me, I would pay a lot for an Ethernet cable whose connector has virtually unbreakable tabs.
Just a note of perspective. It is easy to tag audiophiles as naive fools with too more money than sense.
But not all are like that.
I am quite interested in good rendering of favourite music, so are a few friends. We do indeed try out hifi gear, but that doesn't mean we all fall for this snake oil product.
By and large most people are used to the sound of multimedia speakers or mini systems. For a music lover, it is possible to get so much better results, and it does not need to cost crazy money on crazy products for a decent result.
So far I find speakers having the largest influence on the end reproduction quality. There is some difference between the electronics, but once you are beyond the bare basic level the differences are getting smaller. But speakers are worth spending money on if you are a music lover using a good quality music source.
Philistine, you do know that electrons have a spin don't you? The article doesn't quantify the quantum reasoning for well organized quanta, but I assure you, if you have electrons tumbling through a cable all willy-nilly, the frequency response will be fuzzier at the peaks (due to the random distribution of electrons, IE +- 50% directional tonality.)
Do you even audiophile bro?
There is no error correction on audio CD.
Yes there is. It uses a dual interleave Reed-Solomon code together with 8-14 modulation and three joining bits.
192 data bits are encoded in 588 bits on the CD.
Those 588 bits comprise:
24 bits sync word plus 3 merge bits. (27 bits)
33 EFM words of data of 14 bits plus 3 merge bits per word (561 bits)
The 33 bytes of data are:
24 bytes of audio (12x16 bit samples)
8 bytes of parity.
1 byte (8 bits) of subcode information.
The merge bits allow the min/max separation of 1s to be maintained between EFM codewords and also allow the data to be DC free
God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = -@B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," and there was light.
Believe it.
You should see what this cable does for porn!
That all depends where it gets plugged
I spoke to a friend who is in ultra-high-end business about those cd transports and how can one sound better than the other (he's not stupid) and after a while we came to the conclusion (well I did anyway, he knew this) that it all boils down to jitter and real-time error correction.
Much of the time, the perceived improvements in high end audio electronics (not including speakers and other acoustic devices) boil down to volume differences, and the imagination of the listener, which is fueled by clever marketing and obsessive-compulsive worrying about imperfect audio.
Even nowdays if you wish to rip a cd that's as clean as possible you have to do multipass read with that german free software I forgot what it's called now.
Actually, if there are no problems with the disk or the drive, one can often just copy the audio tracks at full speed with no software error correction, and the result will be binary identical to that of the slow multipass read. The latter is at least still somewhat useful to confirm the lack of errors, although that could also be done with an online database of checksums. The last CD-ROM drive I had that definitely needed jitter correction was bought in the late 1990's.
I believe silver wire ethernet cable will be better and super quality rj45 will contribute in some miniscule way to fewer error corrections on layer 1, bit $10k worth? Don't think so.
If the cheap network cable cannot be used to transmit audio reliably, then it would also have issues with other types of data. The playback is also buffered (which it needs to be in any case, even in a hardware player, as the data is sent in packets), and as long as the buffer does not underrun, there should be no issues with the audio quality even if the occasional packet needs to be sent again because of errors. When the buffer does underrun, it causes skips, stutters, pops, and other obvious distortions in the audio, rather than subtle changes in the tonal balance, sound stage, or whatever. There could be dropped packets if the protocol used does not support re-sending them, but that produces similar audible effects to those of buffer underruns.
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Translation: I blew a metric fuckton of money on that shit, and you now expect me to admit I can't hear any difference? They'd immediately kick me out of the audiophile jerk circle if I did, for I'd be just one of those "mundanes" that cannot appreciate perfect audio quality.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, a company that charges ten thousand US dollars for a network cable may easily pay very good money to have favorable "reviews" and "professional physicists" endorsing the "magical properties" of the product. As a non-American I am surprised as you Americans allow criminals freely sell products that are clearly scams like this.
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As a non-American I am surprised as you Americans allow criminals freely sell products that are clearly scams like this.
As an American, I can say I'm glad the government *doesn't* stop this kind of activity. A functioning society requires its citizens to be at least marginally responsible for their own conduct. If they're stupid enough to be taken in by this crap, they deserve what they get. We neither need nor want a "nanny state" looking over our shoulder all the time, telling us what we can and cannot buy.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
You know just enough to be dangerous. You're also wrong. Each pair in a Cat 6 cable has a different rate of twist. That's done to reduce crosstalk between the pairs. I often use short (<10 M) Cat 5 patch cables for temporary 1G connections without issue, Cat 6 becomes more important when you're bundling cables together and using longer lengths (100 M max). Regardless, any errors which occur can be recognized and recorded, so any difference between cables could be easily and objectively quantified - no need for subjective "the soundstage immediately opened up" BS.
The length of different pairs due to the difference in twists is insignificantly different.
You then go on to confuse matters by comparing 1G Ethernet to HDMI to I2S, three completely different things, with different signalling at different rates. 1G Ethernet runs at a clock rate of 125 MHz, encoding 8 bits per baud. HDMI 1.3 has a maximum clock rate of 340 MHz, making transmission line length more critical.
I2S does NOT have 3 clocks as you claim. It has a single clock, a word select signal (used to indicate whether left or right channel info is currently being sent, sometimes called the "word clock," even though it changes synchronously with the bit clock), and a data signal. Used for standard CD audio, it has a clock rate of less than 1.5 MHz. Even with newer "high definition" audio formats, the clock rate is still significantly less than either 1G Ethernet or HDMI. It tops out around 12 MHz for 32 bit stereo at 192 KHz. For more channels, additional data lines are added. But, transmission line length is not as critical as for either Ethernet or HDMI, which run at 10x+ the speed of I2S. 1/2 cycle of a 12 MHz clock is almost 50 feet long on a wire. A length difference of fractions of an inch simply doesn't matter.
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Sorry, selling that stuff as it is advertised is: fraud.
Making a sound review in a magazine based on physics that are wrong is even more fraudulent.
Fraud is a felony. Felony means the prosecutor goes after the violator as soon as he is aware of the topic. No special action of citizens required.
Calling that a nanny state is just retarded, sorry.
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