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Facebook Adds Legacy Contact Feature In Case You Die Before It Does

alphadogg writes "Facebook has added an option for users to delegate management of their account for when they die. The idea is to avoid awkward lingering Facebook pages after a person passes on, perhaps featuring images or posts that someone would rather not be remembered by....This isn't the first time Facebook has put thought into what happens to users' accounts when the users die. A year ago the social network outlined a more flexible approach to memorializing accounts. Now memorialized accounts will have the word "Remembering" hovering above a person's name.

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  1. Let me guess.... by chrism238 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....the Legacy Contact has to be an existing Facebook user? How much inbreeding can the human race withstand?

    1. Re:Let me guess.... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      the difference being you don't need a fucking facebook account to vote.

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    2. Re:Let me guess.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yet, you mean?

      Just look around how many other things either already outright require you to be part of the cult or at least make it "easier" for you to use it if you are. It would not surprise me at all if something like this is coming down the road somewhere.

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    3. Re:Let me guess.... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      yeah... disturbingly enough, I've missed out on some work because I don't have a Facebook account.

      I mean, the fuck happened that people need to willingly give up the right to control their own data to be able to work??

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    4. Re:Let me guess.... by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 1

      I mean, the fuck happened that people need to willingly give up the right to control their own data to be able to work??

      The internet

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    5. Re:Let me guess.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      For a job? Hell, I'd create a profile for that. As long as they don't require me to have anything but "I created this account because a prospective employer wants to see a FB account, so here it is" on it...

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    6. Re:Let me guess.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      My family, education, love, fun and interests are way too important to be put on FB. My job, otoh...

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    7. Re:Let me guess.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And why would you be on Facebook if nobody else you know/trust is using it? Kind of defeating the whole point, there.

  2. Incorruptable by retech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be better if the data slowly corrupted over a year eventually ending in a bunch of gibberish text and glitched photos...

    Thinking about it, I guess that means it would just make it indistinguishable from most other accounts.

    1. Re:Incorruptable by TheLink · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or have a "deadman switch" trigger a script to update it with preset/random stuff, or have some prankster update it for you: http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

      e.g. Justin Morg: Oops... Looks like I'm dead. Damn... :(
      Tuesday at 10:00pm

      Justin Morg likes 10 ways to tell that you are really dead
      Tuesday at 10:02pm

      Justin Morg: Anyone have a res handy? Urgent!
                              Justin Morg needs a resurrection! Give him one and you'll get HadesVille points!
      Tuesday at 10:13pm via HadesVille

      Justin Morg: Where's the restore from quick-save option when you really really need it. Sigh...
      Tuesday at 10:17pm

      Justin Morg: On the bright side, I guess I don't have to show up for work tomorrow :) @Boss.
      Tuesday at 10:20pm

      Justin Morg: Hmm, wonder what time the funeral will be tomorrow. I'd hate to be late ;). Haha I kill me sometimes (but not this time, it was Professor Plum with the candlestick!).
      Tuesday at 10:32pm

      Justin Morg: I guess I'll call it a night, no point doing the graveyard shift, don't want to be like a zombie tomorrow...
      Tuesday at 10:50pm

      Justin Morg: Good morning! I'm up! OK not so good and not so up. Oh well. At least the mortician made me smile, put stitches in my side too.
      Wednesday at 7:30am

      Justin Morg likes What's worse than waking up early in the morning? Not waking up at all!
      Wednesday at 7:32am

      Justin Morg: I guess I'll skip breakfast, no stomach for it today... But I'd die for a cup of coffee :p.
      Wednesday at 7:35am

      Justin Morg: Wow, people are actually coming to my funeral!
      Wednesday at 8:43am

      Justin Morg likes a minute of silence
      Wednesday at 9:01am

      Justin Morg: Aww don't cry... OK so I'll really be forever in your debt, but hey I did say the payback's gonna be "out of this world" right? XD
      Wednesday at 9:05am

      Justin Morg likes The Sweet By and By
      Wednesday at 9:10am

      Justin Morg: @MaryNotMarried now's the time to ask that pesky aunt "When's your turn" just like she does to you at weddings... Haha!
      Wednesday at 9:13am

      Justin Morg likes short sermons and even shorter skirts
      Wednesday at 9:20am

      Justin Morg: ok Human Torch time!
      Wednesday at 9:30am

      Justin Morg: getting kinda warm in here... I hate stupid ties and suits.
      Wednesday at 9:35am

      Justin Morg: SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSMOKIN'!
      Wednesday at 9:37am

      Justin Morg: Flame on!
      Wednesday at 9:40am

      Justin Morg: The ultimate fat burning program... Watch the pounds melt away. And never come back- 100% guaranteed!
      Wednesday at 9:45am

      Justin Morg: ok I guess I can fit in that sexy "size nothing" urn now... Check out my new curves... Hey guys, I'm coming out of the closet! Just kidding! Don't look like you've just seen a ghost.
      Wednesday at 9:55am

      Justin Morg: It is very dark. I wonder if grues eat ashes.
      Wednesday at 10:00am

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    2. Re:Incorruptable by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't help noticing your tag line.
      "If you ignore it long enough, eventually the problem just goes away."
      Try that with your taxes and see what happens - I tried, it doesn't work :-(

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    3. Re:Incorruptable by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Facebook Graph API should let you do just that. You just need to have a server that will still be paid up and on the Internet when you're gone.

      Since the Deadman's switch is external to Facebook, you can use whatever method you want to keep pressing the button.

    4. Re:Incorruptable by suutar · · Score: 1

      sure it does. Once you're in prison, with no income, you don't have to pay taxes.

  3. Is there an option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To simply delegate removal by someone upon death?

    1. Re:Is there an option by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To simply delegate removal by someone upon death?

      Leave instructions and your password with your attorney? Or set of attorneys in disparate jurisdictions using Shamir's Secret Sharing, if you're totally paranoid?

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  4. the problem here is ... by swell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do you monetize the page of a dead person?

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    1. Re:the problem here is ... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      The burial/cremation/memorial business is huge money.

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    2. Re:the problem here is ... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Ehh. They would pop the adds when others visited the page.

      A friend died last year and about the only way to get updates on the wake and crap was through a facebook tribute page. They didn't have the public wake right away and was trying to coordinate all his reletives from out of state to be present. They also scanned and posted a shitload of photos and you needed to use facebook to get copies. Thankfully, they requested nobody tags anyone in the photos other than the deceased (some interested people had warrants out from 20 years ago).

      But the amount of traffic to the page was unreal.. plenty of oppertunity to monitize off it.

  5. old problem by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

    old problem documented here
    http://xkcd.com/686/

    and obligitory...xkcd

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  6. Re:Oh, Please by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

    Facebook knows when your dead and ...

    The more important question is:

    Would Facebook know I am dead before I do?

    With all their Big Data, you would think they could figure that out.

  7. Wipe the slate by petes_PoV · · Score: 2
    Why not extend this so that after a period of inactivity (say: a year) the account is automatically wiped - leaving no trace of the user.

    That would also allow individuals who wish to start over (say: when they grow up a little) to do so by simply starting a new account and leaving the old one to die off.

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    1. Re:Wipe the slate by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why'd FB throw away all the mined data? And to make things worse, allow you to start over with no connection to all that mined data and the relevant connections made already.

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    2. Re:Wipe the slate by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You can have FB delete your account after you are marked as memorialized. That's one of the options under that setting.

  8. Re:Why would anybody notify FB of that ? by znrt · · Score: 1

    almost nobody would, this only matters to fb. an ever increasing number of zombie accounts is no good for their business model, since advertisers know that dead people don't buy stuff. i guess by having a small proportion of them tagged they hope to hide the real figures.

  9. Re:Absolutely pointless by codeButcher · · Score: 2

    There is no rule that a Facebook page must be owned by a living person. Perhaps Mark Zuckerberg disagrees, because you can't data mine or sell ads to a dead person.

    Yeah, but the advertisers don't know that you are dead. Do you think the line for screwing over should be drawn between those that pay and those that don't?

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  10. Right to be forgotten? by codeButcher · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now memorialized accounts will have the word "Remembering" hovering above a person's name.

    What about my (presumed) right to be forgotten?

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    1. Re:Right to be forgotten? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      Then check the box requesting your account to be deleted when you die.

      Your data (supposedly) goes zap when facebook is notified you're a stiff.

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    2. Re:Right to be forgotten? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So it's finally possible? You can actually make FB delete your data and all you have to do is preten... I mean, is die?

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    3. Re:Right to be forgotten? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I have here this death certificate from Generistan, I died there...

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  11. That awkward feeling... by Katatsumuri · · Score: 2

    ...when your social network starts to feel like a cemetery.

  12. Hmm by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Didn't realize my to-do list should include "outlive fucking Facebook." Of course, I'm getting on in years, so maybe I should start actively trying to orchestrate the company's demise. In the event of my success, the slashdot headline should read "Remembering Facebook."

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  13. Re:Why would anybody notify FB of that ? by TUOggy · · Score: 1
    I'm not so sure of that. I had an acquaintance die fairly recently (last year). I went to high school with him and lost touch when I moved away from that town, but despite it being more than a decade, everyone that was in our class went to his FB page to talk about him, even some people that I know for a fact never talked to him in school besides the passing hello.

    His parents posted a bit on their own FB about his death, but nobody saw it except very close friends of the family. It would have been nice to see that info on his page rather than to be hidden on theirs. It's not just the close friends that care, especially when we're all so young (around 30). He touched many hearts, even if we weren't all his good friends, there was nobody that didn't like him.

    One of his best friends and my old classmate started a donation page for flowers and a cash gift for the funeral. They discussed it and raised a respectable amount, through FB groups and messages. I understand that everyone hates on FB, and I usually do too, but to be fair, it makes communication very easy and convenient, and if there was a way to donate to his funeral or to buy flowers from his FB page, I know I a lot of people would have done it.

    It's good for FB, and I'd argue that it's not bad for the deceased and their friends and family. The family can delete any embarrassing photos, update info about the death and funeral, and leave a touching eulogy for friends to see no matter how close they were. Sure, FB will try to monetize it, but that's the nature of a business. Profit off anything possible. At least they're not being completely disrespectful with the way they're doing it.

  14. Advertising to the Dead by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Not sure why we're discussing this. With this feature, Facebook will eventually become more dead than alive (animals are well on their way), and I'd have to question the intent of advertisers when Facebook becomes a "social" cemetery. I would hope they would too.

    Oh look, another banner ad for 3D-printed tombstones. I'm gonna wait until Black Friday when they have that killer sale...

  15. Re:How come there is no 'Remembering' thingy hover by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Because we'd prefer to forget.

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  16. Re:Aw yes! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You needn't die. You just need to tell FB you did.

    Actually, I'd fully expect a lot of people to screw around with this toy.

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  17. Re:Online cemetery by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I can't help it, but it already feels a bit like the virtual representation of a human landfill, wouldn't that even make it worse?

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  18. Re:No more brick and mortar graveyards by retroworks · · Score: 1

    That's essentially going on already. I took my 18 year old twins to a family cemetary and realized they'd never been to one before. On Facebook however, there is a "In Memorium" page for my High School, where people update each other as friends pass. Much more visited, I think, than the cemetary. I think its a done deal.

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  19. Hopefully by AVryhof · · Score: 2

    I'm hoping Facebook will be defunct by the time I kick.

  20. Hovering? Tasteful? by colinwb · · Score: 1

    Picking up on the "hovering" in the summary "Now memorialized accounts will have the word 'Remembering' hovering above a person's name", I was going to ask a sarcastic question along the lines of whether there would also be a "tasteful" angel's wings icon alongside the "hovering" text.

    But looking at the linked facebook page" all I see on the example is "Remembering" placed above the person's name. No apparent "hovering".

    The words actually used by Facebook are "We’ve also redesigned memorialized profiles to pay tribute to the deceased by adding “Remembering” above their name", so why does the summary use "hovering", which seems just wrong?

  21. Facebook Sensitivity...eh. by LaurenCates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hear that Facebook has a sensitivity team that responded to that guy who wrote a blog post when the "Year In Review" displayed a lot of pictures of his daughter that died from cancer during the year. (Apparently, Facebook was terribly insensitive in doing that or something...*)

    So, it's not terribly surprising that Facebook would address something like this. Especially since the internet hasn't really had the chance to process what it means to have so much digital information on someone online yet. For instance: I received a friend suggestion on Facebook for someone who died last year. We weren't close, but I was sad she passed.

    What does that mean if you don't have someone assigned as a legacy, then? Can you report the page as someone who's passed? Do you need to provide proof? What if that system gets abused and locks up people's pages because trolls think it's funny that you have to prove you're still alive in order to access your page?

    *No, I'm not mocking the guy for having lost his daughter; guaranteed someone will interpret this statement that way. I personally think it's weird that said blog post became a "thing" on the internet as someone with a downgraded version of the same situation (put our dog to sleep in December; her pics came up a lot in my YIR...which, I know is hardly the same as losing a child to cancer, but if I were to scale it down, I wouldn't have called Facebook "vaguely insensitive" for that. Still miss my dog, though), as if somehow Facebook has the AI to discern exactly enough context from posts to make a perfect and not emotionally damaging YIR for everyone.

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    1. Re:Facebook Sensitivity...eh. by worf_mo · · Score: 1

      "That guy" is Eric Meyer, and his blog post might have become a "thing" because he is rather known in the field. I'm not specifically addressing this to LaurenCates, but rather those that gave Meyer some flak here on /. at the time: read both the original post and a second post. He didn't knock the developers and designers at Facebook, but after having gone through the worst that a parent can have to go through, he tried to "increase awareness of and consideration for the failure modes, the edge cases, the worst-case scenarios" in the industry. I've been reading his posts for a long time, he's a level-headed, active guy not prone to whining.

    2. Re:Facebook Sensitivity...eh. by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Ah, okay. I read it through the lens of being cross-posted on Slate.

      Which...there's a reason why I don't read that site anymore.

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    3. Re:Facebook Sensitivity...eh. by dmgxmichael · · Score: 1

      I hear that Facebook has a sensitivity team that responded to that guy who wrote a blog post when the "Year In Review" displayed a lot of pictures of his daughter that died from cancer during the year. (Apparently, Facebook was terribly insensitive in doing that or something...*)

      So, it's not terribly surprising that Facebook would address something like this. Especially since the internet hasn't really had the chance to process what it means to have so much digital information on someone online yet. For instance: I received a friend suggestion on Facebook for someone who died last year. We weren't close, but I was sad she passed.

      What does that mean if you don't have someone assigned as a legacy, then? Can you report the page as someone who's passed? Do you need to provide proof? What if that system gets abused and locks up people's pages because trolls think it's funny that you have to prove you're still alive in order to access your page?

      *No, I'm not mocking the guy for having lost his daughter; guaranteed someone will interpret this statement that way. I personally think it's weird that said blog post became a "thing" on the internet as someone with a downgraded version of the same situation (put our dog to sleep in December; her pics came up a lot in my YIR...which, I know is hardly the same as losing a child to cancer, but if I were to scale it down, I wouldn't have called Facebook "vaguely insensitive" for that. Still miss my dog, though), as if somehow Facebook has the AI to discern exactly enough context from posts to make a perfect and not emotionally damaging YIR for everyone.

      They could actually do that if they gave us something other than "Like" to show support. - like condolences, sympathies, or some such that shows support for the person but doesn't comment upon the situation itself (or even implies that the situation is negative).

  22. Great by 1080bogus · · Score: 1

    Now, when someone's password is compromised, not only will they get access to your account but be able to close someone else's or mark it as if they died.

    But seriously, I get the point of them doing this and limiting what you can actually do to the account. It's not like they can post anything. I wonder what protections or back out strategies they have when the designated person's account is compromised and they close a family member's account who isn't deceased.

  23. Internet Facebook Archive by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    The idea is to avoid awkward lingering Facebook pages after a person passes on, perhaps featuring images or posts that someone would rather not be remembered by.

    This is exactly why we need the Internet Facebook Archive to preserve these things: so we can remember who you really were.

  24. Zombies by Nikademus · · Score: 1

    Is a zombie considered living or dead by facebook standards? I am just asking in case of a zombie apocalypse because the legacy contact has also chances to be a zombie too.

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  25. Must That Person Be on Facebook? by ossuary · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the person they give rights to "delegate" their account must actually be a Facebook user themselves. If so, it seems they have stumbled unto a way to slightly prevent user decline (in a sicko sort of way).

  26. sad but true by dlt074 · · Score: 1

    while deployed in Afghanistan, we used to joke that the Army's most reliable form of communication was Facebook. we only half joked. it was the one way we knew we could contact other people in theater reliably.

    1. Re:sad but true by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      no kidding, those shitty Motorola (XT?)s couldn't penetrate a quarter mile of trees, my guys had Kenwood business radios (thanks largely to me) through deployment training on Dartmoor. Those things were fantastic, not to mention a quarter the size (still got a pair). Even better, if they'd've been out back then, would have been the Yaesu VX-5. Straight through 0-1GHz, digital squelch and voice scrambling, tethered packet data capability, water and dust sealed, MOD specification chassis. I have one of those too now, it's my goto for anything MF//V/U/HF related. OK so it's six times the cost of the Moto 2200 but hey, ya gets what ya pay for.

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  27. Re:Oh, Please by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    If you have a friend (or a script) to randomly make posts and click on "Likes", just how will fb know you're dead?

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  28. Re:Why would anybody notify FB of that ? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Would you really trust someone else to do your eulogy?
    Should you really trust someone else to do your eulogy?
    What ever happened with If you want something done right, you have to write a script for it? :)
    At least this way you'll get the last word.

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  29. Not well thought out. by mooooooo · · Score: 1

    The one thing they did not think about is that they didn't allow a bit of lead time for locking down accounts. I lost my loving partner a few months ago and have been logging in to her account daily to check for messages from old friends who may want to be added to her list so they can read about some of the things being done in her name. I know a lot of people think Facebook is silly and take it for granted, but when you're severely physically disabled, it is a valued communications tool. Her words were all she had. In all of our years together I cared for her, bathed her, fed her, cleaned her, laughed with her, cried with her, and laid at her hospital bedside for 5 days straight before she died and now have her ashes at my bed side table, but a policy that didn't exist before she died says that I can't be the designated caretaker of her page?