Game Theory Calls Cooperation Into Question

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from Quanta Magazine: The physicist Freeman Dyson and the computer scientist William Press, both highly accomplished in their fields, have found a new solution to a famous, decades-old game theory scenario called the prisoner's dilemma, in which players must decide whether to cheat or cooperate with a partner. The prisoner's dilemma has long been used to help explain how cooperation might endure in nature. After all, natural selection is ruled by the survival of the fittest, so one might expect that selfish strategies benefiting the individual would be most likely to persist. But careful study of the prisoner's dilemma revealed that organisms could act entirely in their own self-interest and still create a cooperative community.

Press and Dyson's new solution to the problem, however, threw that rosy perspective into question (abstract). It suggested the best strategies were selfish ones that led to extortion, not cooperation.

[Theoretical biologist Joshua] Plotkin found the duo's math remarkable in its elegance. But the outcome troubled him. Nature includes numerous examples of cooperative behavior. For example, vampire bats donate some of their blood meal to community members that fail to find prey. Some species of birds and social insects routinely help raise another's brood. Even bacteria can cooperate, sticking to each other so that some may survive poison. If extortion reigns, what drives these and other acts of selflessness?"

Comments

Theory vs Empericism

[Wonko the Sane]

Why isn't this headline, "Game Theory Called Into Question for Failing to Predict Observed Examples of Cooperation?"

Re:Theory vs Empericism

[bill_mcgonigle]

The Prisoners' Dilemma is a two-person example of a market failure - a term from economics which basically means that one actor can benefit from doing a thing that is bad for the group. Friedman's go-to example is people burning coal to heat their homes in 18th century London. Each homeowner _correctly_ calculated that coal was their personal best option, but it wasn't the best option for everybody, in aggregate. People who block intersections to avoid waiting for the next green are a more modern example - they save a little bit of time and make everything worse for everybody else.

The follow-up insight is that in natural systems, when rules result in a market failure, the rules slowly wind up changing to eliminate that scenario because those scenarios aren't good for the group (which is needed for reproduction/continuance) and (in the case of evolution) are selected against or (in the case of economics) are driven out of the economy.

Iterative plays resulting in extortion aren't going to be good for the group either and would tend to be eliminated. To be fair, we suffer broadly from the impact of psychopaths and they're only 5% of our population, so even if trends are good, local mischief isn't out of the question.

The model isn't real.

[Kaenneth]

Real Life isn't Spherical Cows. They need a better model.

Re:The model isn't real.

[Anonymous Coward]

They need a better model.

Yes, in order to get their result they put constraints on the payoffs - and they also implicitly assume that the players can't ever stop playing.

In real life, there's typically three choices: cooperate, betray, or end the relationship. Typically as people get to know each other they increase their level of cooperation up to a level that both are comfortable with. But then if there's a betrayal the other person will often permanently end the relationship - either by walking away or by hitting the other person over the head with a large rock and hiding their corpse in some bushes.

And often there's someone else waiting eagerly to cooperate with the person who got betrayed - who will help the person who got betrayed end the relationship with the betrayer - with a rock to the head if necessary.

There are probably some situations out there in nature where their model does apply. And where cooperation doesn't happen. But it would be silly to assume that their model applied to every situation in human relationships.

The Selfish Gene

[flyhigher]

The selfish gene theory popularized by Richard Dawkins states that evolution works on genes, not on individuals. Any gene which gives rise to behavior that will cause more copies of that gene to survive, will increase its percentage in the gene pool at large.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

The model doesn't describe the system.

[kuzb]

It's that simple. They have a neat mathematical model which is interesting, but if it doesn't make accurate predictions when applied to a more realistic scenario then it's missing something.

Cooperation

[wonkey_monkey]

The physicist Freeman Dyson and the computer scientist William Press [..] have found a new solution to [...] the prisoner's dilemma

So... what you're saying is... these two guys have cooperated to call cooperation into question...

Riiight...

Re: Nothing is possible.

[Anonymous Coward]

It has been proven over and over that the only people who always behave according to game theory are economists and sociopaths.

Naturally we have a whole economic system based on this. People wonder why nobody's happy with it, and yet we have a population that is dumb enough to quite literally go to war for it.

Re: Nothing is possible.

[tburkhol]

Well please find an economic system that deals with the issue of sacristy, and insures its contributers exceed its detractors. At the same time insuring personal liberity.

The Kula Ring in the Trobriand Islands, where the residents of different islands developed a tradition of exchange of 'gifts,' distinct from barter-like trade. There are a number of other 'gift economies' among isolated, pre-industrial cultures. Participation is managed by social expectation and taboo, so one can argue that these systems will necessarily break down once you have enough sociopaths. One can also argue that such communities are better at recognizing and isolating sociopaths so they can't propagate their genes/behavior.

Nor is 'free market' an especially good way to deal with scarcity. If it were, then you wouldn't need social support programs. Or maybe you're going to tell me that anyone receiving social security of SNAP is not truly participating in the economy...

I don't even know where you're going with 'personal liberty.' The economic system has so little to do with what you're allowed to say, which god you're allowed to worship, or how you spend your free time as to be completely orthogonal.

Re: Nothing is possible.

[Luckyo]

What game theory has to say about that is to point out that these systems only work so long as the number of participants is small enough. Once the number of participants gets too large, it is impossible to effectively punish the leachers, and the entire system falls apart.

I guess we need to add to GP's original question the criteria of "works on a large scale"

Shachar

This is a lie often peddled in states with this system.

There are several concrete counter-examples that prove it false, ranging from Nordic countries (which view consensus and cooperation as primary tools of both political and economic systems) as well as much bigger Japan which has more of a top down system but where bosses initially even committed honourable suicide when they had to let workers go because it was considered such a significant loss of face.

These systems exist on large scale. What they require however, is a culture that promotes selflessness rather than selfishness. In the Western countries, such culture exists in Japan and Nordics. And to a lesser extent in Germany and Scotland. All of these are functional states (with exception of Scotland) where people routinely vote for and say in polls that they are willing to pay more taxes so that those who are not viable humans can live a decent life.

Re: Nothing is possible.

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

You live in a fantasy world where those bad things are happening.

Meanwhile, in the real, actually-measured world, things are continuing to get better decade by decade.

If the west has come close to stagnating for a bit, it's because places like China are opening up and becoming more economically free. In short, the average health and wealth of economically free people continues to increase, exactly according to Julian Simon's simple, and not really controversial in the details, model.