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Russian Man Extradited To US For Heartland, Dow Jones Cyberattacks

itwbennett writes: A Russian man accused of high-profile cyberattacks on Nasdaq, Dow Jones, Heartland Payment Systems and 7-Eleven has been extradited to the U.S. and appeared in court in Newark, New Jersey on Tuesday. Vladimir Drinkman, 34, of Syktyykar and Moscow, Russia was charged for his alleged role in a data theft conspiracy that targeted major corporate networks and stole more than 160 million credit card numbers, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a press release. Drinkman appeared Tuesday in U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey and entered a plea of not guilty to the 11 counts he faces. His trial is scheduled to begin in April.

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  1. Extradition? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I couldn't tell from the story - was he actually extradited by Russia? If so, I'm really surprised they're welling to extradite anyone to us these days.

    1. Re:Extradition? by mentil · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA makes clear that he was arrested/detained in The Netherlands, so he was presumably extradited from there.

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    2. Re:Extradition? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      you must be reading some other article, it specifically states there were arrested and extradited from Netherlands. They were arrested when travelling there.

    3. Re:Extradition? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Clearly I missed that detail from the story, but your response was extremely rude. I think you owe me an apology.

    4. Re:Extradition? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Yes, somehow I missed that when reading it.

    5. Re:Extradition? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      yeah, sorry, I'm not sure how I missed that. Must be time for me to go to bed.

    6. Re: Extradition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ain't you a karma whore.

    7. Re:Extradition? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Thanks that's indeed informative. Amazing nobody thought this information should be in TFS. Reading the summary, the obvious question was: what? a Russian citizen is extradited to the US? From Russia??

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    8. Re:Extradition? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you owe me an apology.

      You must be new here.

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    9. Re:Extradition? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      What part of "extradited" did you not understand?

      It wasn't the "extradited" part that the GP had a problem with.

      He was arrested in The Netherlands, and the Dutch agreed to extradite him.

      The absence of this from the summary is what led the GP to ask his quite reasonable question.

      No, he wasn't "nabbed" without process.

      The GP never implied that he might have been.

      Reading. Comprehension.

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    10. Re:Extradition? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      It's not in the summary, and shit, remember where you are... you get extra credit for demonstrating the courage to click the article link.

      My first thought? Snowden's fucked.

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    11. Re:Extradition? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Thanks that's indeed informative. Amazing nobody thought this information should be in TFS. Reading the summary, the obvious question was: what? a Russian citizen is extradited to the US? From Russia??

      You don't see the beauty of it?

      You and I both clicked on the story. Devilishly clever.

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    12. Re:Extradition? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Ask for that you may just get a goatse instead.

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    13. Re:Extradition? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd really love to see how much people accept the "process" if a US individual is arrested in the Netherlands to be sent on trial to Russia.

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    14. Re:Extradition? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Don't worry! As a US citizen living abroad, I can guarantee you that the US government does not give a shit about us. In fact, they regard us as little more than traitors or tax-dodgers (which is pretty much the same thing).

      When other countries' citizens get into trouble, their governments will at least make a gesture to help. I've seen it - Sweden, Britain, Italy...they actually send consular representatives out to investigate, attend trials, etc. I talked with them and it turns out this is their job! Their actual job!

      US government doesn't have anyone like this. You get into legal trouble and they just give you the finger. There is a list of attorneys on their website and that's it. Good luck even getting an American on the phone, they hire locals specifically to shield themselves from having to deal with fellow Americans. So, take heart! If your scenario happened then the US citizen involved would be totally screwed, something that should make your kind happy. :D

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    15. Re:Extradition? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      IIRC the number of accounts reached 7 digits around 2006, meaning he's probably been here 7 or 8 years.

    16. Re:Extradition? by jtara · · Score: 1

      The absence of this from the summary is what led the GP to ask his quite reasonable question.

      You're supposed to read the actual article before opening your yap.

      And, as others have noted, ..tse would have been rude. I was relatively nice, but unforgivingly direct. I mean, not even Linus-rude. Heck, I might not even have been Matz-rude, and that's not very rude! It's /. Respect the culture.

      No, he wasn't "nabbed" without process.

      The GP never implied that he might have been

      Yes, he did. He asked if the guy was "actually" extradited.

    17. Re:Extradition? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You're supposed to read the actual article before opening your yap.

      It's /. Respect the culture.

      Or what?

      First you say people should be reading the article, then you say /. culture should be respected. Those are mutually exclusive!

      Yes, he did. He asked if the guy was "actually" extradited.

      He said "Was he actually extradited by Russia" which doesn't imply that due process wasn't followed.

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  2. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While not a fan of anything much the US does. The US did not arrest him, he was arrested elsewhere, the US has to prove a case is valid in the local courts for extradition to occur. This is EXACTLY how things should be working, assuming no corruption was involved in the extradition trial.

  3. Great catch by bcoinbilly · · Score: 1

    At least they caught him and willing to give him the justice that this crime deserves.

    1. Re:Great catch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, expect him to get a well deserved 50 years for a non violent crime

      Meanwhile, murders get 25 years.

    2. Re:Great catch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, expect him to get a well deserved 50 years for a non violent crime

      Meanwhile, murders get 25 years.

      It's a good thing he didn't have any pot, he'd be facing life.

  4. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    well I picked up the NETHERLANDS extradition agreement (available through google if you bothered before commenting) and as expected you are full of shit. Netherlands requires the extradition request to be reviewed by the court (unless the person has agreed to a simplified extradition). The Netherlands also has a history of REFUSING extradition requests from the US that it determines are without merit. You can also do many searches and see that the dutch court did review and approve the extradition.

  5. Re:...Vladimir Drinkman? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Either way, I don't think he'll be getting any Slurpees where he's going.

  6. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I suggest you go and inform yourself, the agreements are NOT the same, the Netherlands requires the extradition to be reviewed under dutch laws by a dutch court. The dutch have refused extraditions from the US before on grounds that the case is without merit or that they believe the person will be mistreated by US system.

  7. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by icebike · · Score: 1

    TFA:

    Drinkman and Smilianets were arrested at the request of the DOJ while traveling in the Netherlands in June 2012.

    Let me guess, was this an all expense paid Tour of the Netherlands that Drinkman's email address Won?

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  8. Shared responsibilities by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The hackers often gained initial entry through an SQL injection attack" (TFA) SQL injection? Shouldn't the "victims" be prosecuted also, for poor IT management?

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    1. Re:Shared responsibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or banks for being robbed...

    2. Re:Shared responsibilities by Przemo-c · · Score: 1

      Yeah guy who forgets to lock his door or even is careless to never lock hiis door should be also prosecuted when his hows id burgled.

    3. Re:Shared responsibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A more apt comparison would be arresting a surgeon for failing to stitch up his patient.

    4. Re:Shared responsibilities by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah guy who forgets to lock his door or even is careless to never lock hiis door should be also prosecuted when his hows id burgled.

      We are not talking about locking a door, we're talking about implementing basic IT security. Locking your door is not a job. Implementing security is. When a web site fails the basic SQL injection test, the first thing a hacker looks at, there is clearly a problem at all steps of the site development.

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    5. Re:Shared responsibilities by Przemo-c · · Score: 2

      I know that it has to be done properly and injection test are the first to do but treating person that hacked into a system on the same level as people resposible for security is absurd. There should be ramifications for them but prosecution?

    6. Re:Shared responsibilities by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Well, they warn weathermen in NK they could be executed for giving the wrong forecasts! Depending on where you are in the world, it might be a possibility...

      http://jonathanturley.org/2014...

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    7. Re:Shared responsibilities by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      SQL injection? Shouldn't the "victims" be prosecuted also, for poor IT management?

      No, because poor IT management isn't a crime.

      Poor software authoring isn't a crime either. Imagine if unpaid open source contributors were held liable for bugs.

    8. Re:Shared responsibilities by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Your basic premise is that nobody should be allowed to legally make a website w/o "implementing basic IT security", correct? Because if they get hacked, they should be punished.

      Yes, that makes perfect sense...in some small minded world.

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    9. Re:Shared responsibilities by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And as soon as seismologists can avoid earthquakes by doing a better job, your comparison could even be considered sensible.

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    10. Re:Shared responsibilities by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Over here he is. For "facilitating a crime".

      Your point being?

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    11. Re:Shared responsibilities by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the "victims" be prosecuted also, for poor IT management?

      No.

    12. Re:Shared responsibilities by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      No.

      Maybe I should take a bit more time to answer. And, maybe, the term prosecution is stronger than necessary in this context.
      However. What happens here, and that's also true for the Sony hacking over the past years, is that those big companies neglect their IT teams. Big time. IT is not a profession anymore, IT is a disposable tool. While sitting in the middle of decision makers and sales, IT engineering and development - in these companies - is relegated to some utilities, like haulage. No much effort is put into providing the best management and means to IT - as long as it roughly works, nobody cares. The top management neglects to a disgusting level what makes skills, the necessary smart & clever of IT. In short, our profession is in danger.
      So, some companies being repeatedly hacked, year after year, via some basic tricks that even most PHP programmers know, does show how deep our profession is neglected. And, unfortunately, nobody in the judicial system is able to assess the perverted effect of IT incompetence. Nobody is gonna raise a finger and point to an unfair treatment.
      Basically these companies, and especially their top management, should be liable for such negligence, disrespect and brazen contempt for the profession intelligence.

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  9. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No they aren't the same (though many are based on the same European extradition agreement). most countries do not just rubber stamp US requests like the UK does.

  10. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by St.Creed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I misclicked and mismoderated your comment. Undo.

    On-topic: not only that, but in this specific case there was also an extradition request from Russia which was quite strange, which ensured that the entire case was covered in the national media. There was a lot of suspicion that the extradition request from Russia was just to ensure he could get out of jail, using his ill-gotten profits to buy himself off.

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  11. Should have stayed in Russia by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    Given the state of Russia-USA relations, they probably would have given him a medal. His buddies have so far been smart enough to avoid getting arrested in a country with whom the USA has an extradition treaty.

    "Kalinin, Kotov and Rytikov remain at large."

    Neither the article, nor the linked PCworld article say much about how they identified these guys by name. I'd be curious to know.

  12. Re:Expanding jurisdictions by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia has a nice list of countries with whom the USA has extradition treaties and there are associated PDFs.
    I know that the CIA has indeed kidnapped people (extraordinary rendition is the sanitized name) from Western countries, and those countries were none too happy about it.
    Normally, it's possible to fight extradition in a court. In fact, there are lawyers who specialize in this sort of thing.

  13. Re:So, we got our agent back? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    You watch too much TV

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  14. In Soviet Russia... by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Will anybody be so kind to post a proof link of any American extradited to Russia?

  15. Re:I'm laughing so much.... by airdweller · · Score: 1

    That last name is actually Jewish :) The Russian last names end in "ov", "in" and "yn" IIRC.

  16. Re:Creating new slashdot account ... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck creates a new account when they change employers?

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  17. Re:Information wants to be free! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Could we hang someone else? Or a bunch?

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  18. Re:Creating new slashdot account ... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Who the fuck creates a new account when they change employers?

    People who don't like getting sued if they talk about their old employer.

  19. Re:...Vladimir Drinkman? by tribeca.kaji · · Score: 1

    On the contrary, he may have to do quite a bit of slurping.

  20. Re:Name: Drinkman by mistr · · Score: 1

    And the city name Syktyvkar is a conjugation of the words "Sick", "Thief" and "Guy" in norwegian. Drinkman from Sick-thief-guy. Just sayin'

  21. Re:Creating new slashdot account ... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Court orders to /. would still give up your info. I've seen it happen to former coworkers.

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